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Mr. Laz
10-27-2006, 04:26 PM
several people have ask so i thought i would post something.

this is just me rattling off some general info so don't think i'm a teacher or anything.


General:

Torrent - just another name for any file that is shared via a peer-to-peer application.

peer-to-peer application - an application that allows 2 computers to transfer files back and forth.

Bittorent - the general name of the programs that the computers used to share the files.

uttorrent - just a specific Brand of Bittorent program (other names are: Azureus,ABC,TurboBT,BitComet, The Original BitTorrent)

Peer network - more than 2 computers can connect at once. In fact, the more computers there are the faster the download times. A peer network is when a bunch of computers are connected.

Peer - one computer in the network

Seed - a computer(Peer) in the network that has already downloaded the Torrent file completely. Once you download 100% ... you computer starts "seeding" with all the others. A "seeder" is just uploading the file ..... not downloading that particular file.

Upload - information is going out from you computer. like when you attach a file to an email.

Download - information is coming into you computer. like when you get an attachment from an email you received.





How to:


first things first ..... to download/upload a Torrent, you need a bittorrent program that i listed above.

links to programs:

uttorrent (my favorite ... simple,quick and easy) (http://www.utorrent.com/download.php)

azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/)

TurboBT (http://turbobt.sourceforge.net/indexen.htm)

google and you can find others


so download your bittorrent program to your desktop and install it by double clicking on the .exe file. You might need to unzip it using a program like winzip you can get here (Winzip 10 (http://download.winzip.com/winzip100.exe) )

it's pretty basic and does most of the install by itself. just follow the instructions and click yes etc where necessary)

you should also go to the website that made the program. They will usually have FAQ's (Frequently Asked Questions) to help you use the program.


now you need to find the file you want to download/upload. you can do a google search for websites that list Torrent files to download ... but here's a few to start with:

http://www.mininova.org/
http://www.thepiratebay.org/
http://www.demonoid.com/
http://www.torrentspy.com/

general search engine sites that allow you to search multiple torrent websites at the same time (like a google for torrents)

http://www.torrents.to/
http://torrentscan.com/




now onto the files themselves:

all sorts of files are shared ... pictures,games,music,movies,utility files etc.


when you search the internet for a torrent be careful of a few things.

1. is what your downloading legal?

i'm not judging .... but the music and movie industry is pretty touchy about people sharing their stuff and can take you to court with a lawsuit of sorts.

2. viruses .... never download anything from the internet without a anti virus program running. you also should have a firewall.

3. read the description on the website to makes sure it's really what you want. you will also see feedback from fellow file downloads to see if the file is good or broken etc.



so you found the file you wanted ... read the details etc. You will see a button/link that says something like "download this torrent now" or "download via Bittorrent" etc.

click it

now one of two things will happen

1. the bittorrent program you installed will open and ask you whether you want to download that program or not. It will also show each individual file. You can check or uncheck each one to download the complete torrent or download just part of it. This is particularly good for a music torrent. The file may include the whole album or multiple albums. Often you can pick and choose to download just the songs you want ..... saving yourself valuable download time.


or

2. you get a popup, you computer doesn't know what to do what that type of file. It's asking where you want to "open" or "Save to disk"

this is the most common mistake made

you want to "open with" ...

you MUST let the bittorrent client download and save it. You cannot just save it to disk.

It's asking you what program you want to use to open/download it. It might have options listed right there and you can just pick the bittorrent program you have or you might have to find it yourself.



2a. to find program click "open with" and then click the tab next to it ... should be called "browse" or something. Now a windows folder explorer will open and you need to find the program you installed. It should be in something like C:\Program Files\utorrent by default depending on which program you installed. Point in to the main bittorrent program and click ok. You can also check "do this by default from now on" AFTER you make sure it opens correctly.


your bittorrent client will open up and you will see the file you just chose listed.

it will look something like this:


http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8698/picture020an3.jpg



you'll notice the number of peers and seeds listed... this is important because the more seeds/peers the faster your download.

beware a file with no Seeds ..... because you might download 50% of it and then be stuck with an incomplete (worthless) file.


you should explore your bittorrent program by click on the tabs to see what options you have. You can usually change which folder you want the files download to etc.

The bittorrent host website will also have "speed tweaks" for that particular program to make the downloads go faster.



Troubleshooting:

there is really only a few real problems usually.

1. when the computer asked what you want to do with the file you click download instead of "open with"

2. you try and download a torrent without a bittorrent program to control the download.

3. your bittorrent program gets blocked by a firewall or router.

4. your downloads rate suck because windows xp has a cap on the number of connections you can have at once. That cap can be changed with this is program( http://www.lvllord.de/?lang=en&url=downloads#4226patch )


Associated program:

remember what i said about companies being ticked about you sharing their products? Well this program can help block their snooping little eyes by blocking known websites that try and catch you.

just open it and run it anytime you have your bittorrent program running. Don't forget to run the update on it regularly. It updates like a anti virus program ... just hit the update button.

Peer block - http://www.peerblock.com/releases (http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/)

Frankie
10-27-2006, 04:36 PM
Thank you Laz. Good work.

kcfan88
10-27-2006, 04:42 PM
This helps a lot! Thanks man.

WilliamTheIrish
10-27-2006, 04:53 PM
Thanks Laz.

I have been hesitant even after reading throught the links provided by dru and GoChiefs.

This clears most of that up.

Jesus, I'm behind the times. But I'll catch up.

Demonpenz
10-27-2006, 04:56 PM
it keep locking my computer up with i try to run it

Mr. Laz
10-27-2006, 04:57 PM
it keep locking my computer up with i try to run it
what are you trying to run exactly?

Demonpenz
10-27-2006, 04:58 PM
ok i clicked the link and i go to run and then torrent.ext

Demonpenz
10-27-2006, 04:58 PM
I am trying go to start and go to run torrentchiefs.exe

Demonpenz
10-27-2006, 04:59 PM
maybe someone can put it on limewire lol

KcMizzou
10-27-2006, 04:59 PM
it keep locking my computer up with i try to run it
Demonkat

Demonpenz
10-27-2006, 05:00 PM
Demonkat


lol arrrg

Demonpenz
10-27-2006, 05:02 PM
torrents needs a better interface lol arrg

Mr. Laz
10-27-2006, 05:04 PM
maybe someone can put it on limewire lol
limewire IS a bittorrent type client .... just a different type.


if your computer won't run utorrent ... then try another like Azureus etc.

Demonpenz
10-27-2006, 05:04 PM
whers's the link to azerez

Demonpenz
10-27-2006, 05:05 PM
azereth lol arrrg

Mr. Laz
10-27-2006, 05:08 PM
azereth lol arrrg
in my first post ..... are you drunk?

Fruit Ninja
10-27-2006, 05:24 PM
I use bit comet .57 release, if i use anything else, thats a new release, it just keep cutting my internet off after a while. So i found the old bit comet client to be the best one so far. To each thier own though.

They are great for downloading tv shows, i hate commercials with a passion. And Torrents eliminate commercials all together.


So great to be able to watch Lost and Heroes with no commercials, just pure show.

The Rick
10-27-2006, 06:06 PM
Your router blocking bittorrent can be tricky. It will work, but you'll see slow download speeds. Also, you need to check the firewall on your computer in addition to your router. Make sure ports 6881-6999 aren't blocked on both your router and your firewall on your computer.

Demonpenz
10-27-2006, 06:08 PM
Your router blocking bittorrent can be tricky. It will work, but you'll see slow download speeds. Also, you need to check the firewall on your computer in addition to your router. Make sure ports 6881-6999 aren't blocked on both your router and your firewall on your computer.

thats what the problem was thanks working great now

Ari Chi3fs
10-27-2006, 06:09 PM
I use BitComet Torrent program... its way better than the ones Laz listed, as BitComet uses minimal amount of system resources. I have tried them all, and BitComet seems the most stable.

Good work explaining it to the n00bs with moobs, anyway Laz.

irishjayhawk
10-27-2006, 07:43 PM
Eh, Ari, I disagree. I've used both BitComet and utorrent and the latter definitely wins based on minimal system resources. uTorrent, currently, at least for Winblows, is the best available.

Ari Chi3fs
10-27-2006, 08:56 PM
YOU TELL LIES!

Guru
01-31-2007, 07:08 PM
are there any other options for blocking other than peer guardian? It has not been updated for Vista yet.

NFL16
01-31-2007, 07:22 PM
Thank you very much. I have been wondering how to this thing for a couple of years now but have never really asked. Thanks.

88TG88
01-31-2007, 08:24 PM
i downloaded utorrent and i cant download anything. it says no connection oculd be made because the target machine is actively refusing it

Count Zarth
01-31-2007, 08:45 PM
i downloaded utorrent and i cant download anything. it says no connection oculd be made because the target machine is actively refusing it

Sounds like an ID-10-T error.

88TG88
01-31-2007, 08:45 PM
nvm

Mr. Laz
01-31-2007, 09:22 PM
are there any other options for blocking other than peer guardian? It has not been updated for Vista yet.
http://en.utilidades-utiles.com/download-peerguardian-windows-vista.php

Guru
01-31-2007, 09:29 PM
http://en.utilidades-utiles.com/download-peerguardian-windows-vista.php
According to the Phoenixlabs website, PG2 is NOT Vista ready yet. They are the developers of the program so I think the site you got your link from is just trying to generate hits.

Mr. Laz
01-31-2007, 09:32 PM
According to the Phoenixlabs website, PG2 is NOT Vista ready yet. They are the developers of the program so I think the site you got your link from is just trying to generate hits.
fair enough ... i don't have vista


don't know of any other vista programs for it yet.


i'll try to remember and post it here if i find one

Guru
01-31-2007, 09:35 PM
fair enough ... i don't have vista


don't know of any other vista programs for it yet.


i'll try to remember and post it here if i find one
I appreciate that. I knew I would start finding hangups with Vista within a week. This is one. Not being able to run Nero 6 is number 2. That really ticked me off.

Iowanian
01-31-2007, 09:38 PM
Thanks Laz.

This is something I've wondered about, but haven't done much research and don't understand.

This sounds like it could be dangerous by opening the "door" to my PC and let some asswipe into my stuff. True or untrue?

In this case, I run free zonealarm fw.

Count Zarth
01-31-2007, 09:41 PM
Torrents are the safest way to pirate. I don't think I've ever gotten a virus from a torrent.

KcMizzou
01-31-2007, 09:46 PM
Torrents are the safest way to pirate. I don't think I've ever gotten a virus from a torrent.Yeah... I've never had a problem with bit torrent... Limewire on the other hand...

Mr. Laz
01-31-2007, 11:20 PM
Thanks Laz.

This is something I've wondered about, but haven't done much research and don't understand.

This sounds like it could be dangerous by opening the "door" to my PC and let some asswipe into my stuff. True or untrue?

In this case, I run free zonealarm fw.
as long as you are running a decent anti-virus program and firewall i don't think you should have much problem with (non-porn) torrent downloading.

most of the torrent sites police themselves pretty good


if somebody downloads something with spam or a virus they report it and the site takes down the torrent and the person that uploaded it is banned.

there a many reliable Torrent sites

Guru
03-08-2007, 04:42 PM
Since PG2 is not vista compatible. I am trying to give Utorrent a shot. Where to I get the ipfilter.dat file from and how do I install it into Utorrent.

jidar
03-08-2007, 04:48 PM
On my network I see that Torrents have overtaken gnutella (limewire, e-donkey, etc.. etc..) as the #1 bandwidth hog by a slim margin.
Torrent and Gnutella protocols together at any given time represent 55% of the current network traffic on our ISP.

That's an incredible stat. Truly piracy is driving the Internet.

elvomito
03-08-2007, 05:17 PM
That's an incredible stat. Truly piracy is driving the Internet.i read somewhere that youtube's bandwidth activity exceeds that of the entire internet in 2000

jidar
03-08-2007, 06:06 PM
i read somewhere that youtube's bandwidth activity exceeds that of the entire internet in 2000


I find that to be extremely unlikely

Mr. Laz
08-20-2007, 03:26 PM
"official" my ass

DaFace
08-20-2007, 03:38 PM
"official" my ass

Heh...then why didn't you bump this when people keep asking about them. Oh, and I'm pretty sure it's not official if it doesn't include ***'s. :p

Sorry, though. If I'd known this was out there I wouldn't have put out the effort.

Mr. Laz
08-20-2007, 03:47 PM
Heh...then why didn't you bump this when people keep asking about them.
cause half the time when i try and help people the ungrateful bastiges just end up giving me shit about something. :p

Buck
12-01-2008, 11:49 PM
Whats a good Upload/Download Ratio?

Is 1/1 Considered good enough?

KcMizzou
12-02-2008, 12:14 AM
Whats a good Upload/Download Ratio?

Is 1/1 Considered good enough?Generally I download at least twice as fast as I upload. But I try to seed to at least 100%.

Give what you get, ya know...

Short Leash Hootie
12-02-2008, 05:02 AM
Whats a good Upload/Download Ratio?

Is 1/1 Considered good enough?

Well I limit my upload speed to 20 KB/s but I usually keep a ratio of 1.5/1 or so...which means if a file is 500 MB I keep it seeding until it reaches an upload of 750 MBs

Swanman
12-02-2008, 12:58 PM
Whats a good Upload/Download Ratio?

Is 1/1 Considered good enough?

1/1 is definitely good enough. That means you are giving back as much as you took. Many torrent sites will mandate a certain minimum seed ratio you must keep or you get banned, it's usually in the range of 50% to 75%.

Mr. Laz
12-02-2008, 01:38 PM
extremely difficult to get a 1:1 ratio

your download/upload speed is generally closer to 10:1

my connection:

http://www.dslreports.com/im/62181789/2192.png (http://speedtest.dslreports.com)

so no way do i get 1:1 unless don't download and just let my computer host non-stop.

just let your upload rate sit on unlimited and let it go

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2008, 01:40 PM
I keep my upload at 30 because I have vonage and if I just let it go unimpeded it fucks with my phone calls.

Buck
12-02-2008, 01:41 PM
Sorry, let me clarify that...

I didn't mean Download to Upload Speed Ratio, but Download to Seed Ratio.

KCCHIEFS27
12-02-2008, 01:51 PM
instead of going to those individual torrent sites, I just use torrentz.com

It is a database containing every other torrent site out there..

DaFace
12-02-2008, 04:40 PM
Sorry, let me clarify that...

I didn't mean Download to Upload Speed Ratio, but Download to Seed Ratio.

Are you talking about torrents you're downloading (as in, get the fastest download possible), or how much you should seed after you're done downloading (as in, how to not be a leeching asshole)?

If it's the former, than you basically want as high of a ratio as possible. However, I don't know that there's a magic number out there. Generally, if there are more seeds than leechers, you'll get pretty good speeds, but you can get good speeds with one seed and a bazillion leechers as well.

If it's the latter, then 1:1 is kind of a minimum IMO.

Buck
12-02-2008, 05:19 PM
Are you talking about torrents you're downloading (as in, get the fastest download possible), or how much you should seed after you're done downloading (as in, how to not be a leeching asshole)?

If it's the former, than you basically want as high of a ratio as possible. However, I don't know that there's a magic number out there. Generally, if there are more seeds than leechers, you'll get pretty good speeds, but you can get good speeds with one seed and a bazillion leechers as well.

If it's the latter, then 1:1 is kind of a minimum IMO.

Okay I was talking about the latter......

I still dont get what you are talking about in the former.

Guru
12-30-2008, 01:23 PM
I am having a bitch of a time with uTorrent right now. doesn't matter what port I tell it to use I never get to green anymore. Don't know if my ISP changed something or what. I am connected to 23 seeds and 12 peers and can only achieve a speed of about 12kb down max while uploading at my max of 30kb.

I have tried several ports and set my router as it is supposed to be and each port still shows closed when I run the tracker test on utorrent. I didn't change any of my settings from when this worked perfectly fine 2 months abo but now it is a damn snail.

Ideas?

L.A. Chieffan
01-21-2009, 08:41 PM
ok im a moron and i smoke crack heavily but maybe somebody can help.

i followed lazs instructions and downloaded utorrent, then i went to piratebay and downloaded a movie using the utorrent program. the download apparently was successful.

however when i actually try to watch the movie on windows media player i get no picture, just the squiggly lines and shit.

should i try and watch it on something else or is there a patch or something to make it work on media player?

L.A. Chieffan
01-21-2009, 08:45 PM
i also tried opening it with quicktime and i got no audio or visual

Fish
01-21-2009, 11:16 PM
I am having a bitch of a time with uTorrent right now. doesn't matter what port I tell it to use I never get to green anymore. Don't know if my ISP changed something or what. I am connected to 23 seeds and 12 peers and can only achieve a speed of about 12kb down max while uploading at my max of 30kb.

I have tried several ports and set my router as it is supposed to be and each port still shows closed when I run the tracker test on utorrent. I didn't change any of my settings from when this worked perfectly fine 2 months abo but now it is a damn snail.

Ideas?

Is Windows Firewall blocking it? You might download a port scanner and check it.

Check your router to make sure that the port forwarding isn't tied to a different IP too. With my router, the port forwarding is IP specific, so if my IP changes for some reason, I have to change the port forwarding info to the new IP.

Fish
01-21-2009, 11:21 PM
ok im a moron and i smoke crack heavily but maybe somebody can help.

i followed lazs instructions and downloaded utorrent, then i went to piratebay and downloaded a movie using the utorrent program. the download apparently was successful.

however when i actually try to watch the movie on windows media player i get no picture, just the squiggly lines and shit.

should i try and watch it on something else or is there a patch or something to make it work on media player?

You're missing the codec needed to play it. If you like Windows Media Player, Go here and download this codec pack: http://www.download.com/Windows-Essentials-Media-Codec-Pack/3000-2140_4-10662709.html

Or(preferred option) download VLC Media Player. It plays anything regardless of DRM or encryption. Takes up very little resources. Best media player ever. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

L.A. Chieffan
01-22-2009, 09:01 AM
thanks kc fish i owe u a cold one

KevB
03-02-2009, 10:44 PM
So here's a question. I just got an old P4 with 256mg Ram. I was planning on playing around with Linux (Kubuntu maybe?; complete noob). I was wondering if I should/could also use that machine as my torrent machine, leaving my main desktop free of any harm that may come from torrents. Does this make any sense at all? I've yet to try Torrents, but was going to jump in soon.

Buck
03-02-2009, 10:58 PM
That depends on if someone had made a bit-torrent program for whatever Linux distro you go with.

If you cant find one, and want to use it on a PC, just use your virus scanner to scan each file after you download it and you should be good.