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Packfan
01-09-2001, 04:16 PM
Gunter is gone and we are all very happy. I commend Carl for that move. Replacing him will be a 64 year old head coach who was either burned out or wasnt wanted by the Rams. He is a buddy of Carl Peterson which only means he wont complain about the lack of talent Carl has put together on this team. He will probably cost a #1 draft pick and he will undoubtedly be fired, retired, or run out of town in three years. Winning a super bowl is a loooooong shot because of lack of talent, cap problem, and loss of this years #1 pick. Plus Carl Peterson remains the GM which doesnt help.

I say forget Vermeil and find someone else. Only this time, look for a younger, detail oriented, innovative assistant that was mentored by the NFL brightest. A guy who has been mentored by Holmgren, Shanahan, Dennis Green (yes, Dennis Green), or Jeff Fisher. The Chiefs have missed opportunity after opportunity to a Jon Gruden, Andy Reid, Steve Marriucci, Brian Billick ect.

Dick Vermeil, IMO, is another of a long list of bandaids that Carl has used to bandage open wounds in this organization. He continues to worry about turnstyles first and building a quality team the right way second.

Cannibal
01-09-2001, 04:23 PM
I completely agree.

I don't want Vermiel even if there is no compensation required.

MrBlond
01-09-2001, 04:29 PM
Vermeil is such a huge upgrade over Gunther, he will seem like Bill Walsh by comparison.

Raiderhader
01-09-2001, 04:30 PM
While Vermeil is by no means my first choice, he is head and shoulders above Gunther. He at least knows how to be a head coach.

Clint in Wichita
01-09-2001, 04:32 PM
Bob Stoops

Red and Gold Mania
01-09-2001, 04:36 PM
I don't want Vermeil or Sanders.

My first choice was Butch Davis from Miami or Stoops from Oklahoma.I am not really sold on Tobin as our DC.I applaud Peterson for canning Gunther but hate him for bringing in another one of his "foot shuffling porters".

hawaiianboy
01-09-2001, 04:46 PM
Cannibal....

Can you do me a favor and hook me up with that middle finger gif...
I've got some Raven fans I want to say hello to....


Oh... Jack del Rio would be a good choice.... He fits into the Haslett/Gruden mold.

Mi_chief_fan
01-09-2001, 04:51 PM
Drastic changes were needed. Although Vermiel wasn't anyone's 1st choice, it brings in a proven winner with head coaching experience.
At this point, we probably couldn't have lured Davis or Stoopes(My 1st 2 choices as well), but I was intrigued with the idea of Rick Neuheisal. His team looked outstanding in the Rose Bowl, he's young & innovative.

Clint in Wichita
01-09-2001, 04:55 PM
Tobin is a putz, AND he prefers a zone-blitz scheme.

He'll put our 6'-1", 210 LB. corners in zone coverage, AND send 295 LB. Eric Hicks into pass coverage. Hell, I hate him already.

Saunders is also a poor choice, IMO. He isn't responsible for anything the Rams have done offensively, and if he's so freaking brilliant, why didn't the Chiefs retain his services in the first place?

Vermiel reminds me of an incredibly lucky Gunther Cunningham.

NO MORE CRYING AT PRESS CONFERENCES!!!

Red and Gold Mania
01-09-2001, 04:56 PM
We could have lured Butch Davis from Miami. He was making chump change compare to other college coaches. Offer him enough cheese and we could have had him in KC. He brings the NFL experience from Dallas and he can motivate his players. The Canes were always ready to play. Too late now. He signed five year deal recently.(not sure about the money).

Just say NO to Vermeil and Sanders!Bring somebody young and creative!

Red and Gold Mania
01-09-2001, 04:59 PM
Yes. The only people happy about DV return to coaching are Cleenex companies. They will be bringing in some serious money if he is hired.

Cannibal
01-09-2001, 05:00 PM
Take your pick jq...


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WisChief
01-09-2001, 05:01 PM
Bob Stoop would definately be my 1st choice.

Ken, just when you find a topic that most here would agree with you on - you have to keep on with your normal babble about how Carl sucks and there is no talent, ect. Wow, that is really old stuff. Simply said - Carl is here and this team is more talented than you would like to see. Gunther and his crew sucked dong after two years. If DV comes here it will be an improvment because he will hire good coaches. I believe that the assistants were a great deal of the problem and DV will fix that.

Mi_chief_fan
01-09-2001, 05:03 PM
Cannibal,
The red faced angry one just seems to fit your persona!

hawaiianboy
01-09-2001, 05:25 PM
Cannibal....

The top 2 will work.... now how do I do it?

chiefsfan58
01-09-2001, 05:35 PM
JQ

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use [IMG] AND [ /IMG]

Arash

hawaiianboy
01-09-2001, 06:51 PM
test

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merde!

What am I not doing right?

chiefsfan58
01-09-2001, 06:54 PM
test

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it works for me, lol what a cool animation

milkman
01-09-2001, 06:55 PM
Vermeil is an upgrade from Gun, but he wouldn't be on my top 10 list of possible HC for the Chiefs.
My 1st choice has been Marvin Lewis, with Del Rio coming along as DC.

hawaiianboy
01-09-2001, 09:59 PM
try again

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hawaiianboy
01-09-2001, 10:01 PM
Fug it!.... This is a culturally biased board prejuiced against good looking, smart Raider fans!

Red and Gold Mania
01-09-2001, 10:04 PM
hawaii,

you are putting http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/www.geocities.com/cannibal1970.gif as your address.

You need only http://www.geocities.com/cannibal1970/ebfinger03.gif.

Enclose this between " and " and you should have it(no quotation marks).

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
01-09-2001, 10:07 PM
JQ,

I tried to look at what you wrote, but since I can't get to the "edit" page, I can't see your HTML attempts. could you post what you're trying to type without the open and close brackets and we'll try see what's the matter.

BTW, you're making yourself right at home over at the Raven Nest 2 board aren't you :D

chiefsfan58
01-09-2001, 10:07 PM
LOL JQ, you crack me up....

Ok, so what are you putting in....

type this....

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But no spaces between the [ and IMG and [ and /IMG, I just put it there so it wouldn't show the picutures.

Man faider fans are SO slow sometimes....

Arash

hawaiianboy
01-09-2001, 10:11 PM
R & G....

I've never typed in the chiefsplanet part..... just the exact thing I should be.....


Might be a WebTv thing...... or I may not be as bright as I friggen think I am.


Again....

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Red and Gold Mania
01-09-2001, 10:14 PM
test.
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chiefsfan58
01-09-2001, 10:15 PM
JQ -

Give me your ID and Password, and I'll be glad to see what you're doing wrong....

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[Edited by chiefsfan58 on 01-09-2001 at 10:17 PM]

hawaiianboy
01-09-2001, 10:17 PM
I'm typing exactly what you guys are telling me to!

So either you're messing with me.. or its a WEBTV thing....


MCF...
Yes.... They came after me on a Raider BB.... so now its payback... How'd you know it was me?hehe


This has got to be Willie Shaws fault somehow.

hawaiianboy
01-09-2001, 10:21 PM
I'll try again after dinner.

If the Milkman reads this, maybe he can try it to see if it it WEBTV or if I'm just a 'tard.

Joe Seahawk
01-10-2001, 12:04 AM
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G_Man
01-10-2001, 12:31 AM
Vermiel wouldn't be my first choice, but I do think he's a good choice. I don't think any of the top college HCs (ie Stoops) could be lured here. Most of those guys can pick and choose their opportunites, and would likely wait for a total control-type situation to come along. KC, at their current cap state, is not really the golden carrot opportunity that these guys are looking for.

I'd like to get a great coordinator to come in here (Lewis, Morhinweg, etc.) but it's not like any of them are any safer a gamble than Vermiel. Vermiel is probably the safest choice right now. He is well liked by coaches and players, and I think we could attract more quality people to KC because of him.

If we hire a coordinator, he could be the next Gruden or he could be the next Gunther. I really doubt we have any chance at Stoops or Davis. Vermiel is a proven commodity. We know what we're getting, good points and bad. While it might not be the best choice, it certainly isn't a bad one.

G_Man
01-10-2001, 12:41 AM
And I know Vermiel isn't a very popular choice here, but try to at least hide your bias with some objectivity.

<i>Replacing him will be a 64 year old head coach who was either burned out or wasnt wanted by the Rams.</i>

Vermiel left because he "wanted to go out on top". Not because he was burned out, and not because he was fired. Maybe you're so narrow in your thinking that you couldn't see more than the two scenarios, but you should try to expand your thinking. Especially when there's written documents that contradict your theories.

<i>He is a buddy of Carl Peterson which only means he wont complain about the lack of talent Carl has put together on this team.</i>

Here's the token shot at Carl. We had enough talent to beat Denver and St Louis, two teams who's talent levels I doubt you'd be mocking. And to say Vermiel would accept the aquisition of poor talent is ridiculous. I'm sure your friends would just sit back and take it if you were hurting their ability to do their job. Right! He's his friend. I see that as a positive. Carl would respect his friend's opinions more than a stranger's.

<i>He will probably cost a #1 draft pick and he will undoubtedly be fired, retired, or run out of town in three years.</i>

Probably cost a draft pick? Why don't we knock the Chiefs for something that MAY happen. I don't think he'll cost a first, and if he does I would be against it. I don't think Carl would give up a first for him either.

Mile High Mania
01-10-2001, 07:25 AM
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Twice as cool as any Raiduh fan...


[Edited by Mile High Mania on 01-10-2001 at 07:29 AM]

Mile High Mania
01-10-2001, 07:30 AM
Cannibal, those are the coolest gifs of all time.
You rock.

milkman
01-10-2001, 08:07 AM
test

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jq, if this doesn't work, it could mean that it's a WebTV thing, or it could mean that we are both just tards.

milkman
01-10-2001, 08:11 AM
Well jq, I guess only one of us is a 'tard! ;)

Spott
01-10-2001, 08:19 AM
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KCTitus
01-10-2001, 08:29 AM
Back to the subject of the thread...

Do I want Vermeil? dunno, but he does come with some good qualifications. The one, in fact, that Ken uses to measure all players and coaches - the Superbowl. He has taken now 2 teams to the Superbowl and that alone makes him demonstrably better than Gunther.

Second, you mention that Vermeil is a good friend yet will be another yes man and mentioning that he will accept the 'poor talent' acquisitions. This really is an odd statement because they contradict one another. Friends, or more to the point, good friends can be more candid with one another, dont think for a minute that Vermeil wont have anything to say about who KC drafts/trades for. It's silly to say otherwise. Along those lines, it was Vermeil who got Faulk and Warner into St. Louis.

Next, it has been speculated that Vermeil would only be around 2-3 years and then let one of his assistants take over. So your comment about him leaving in 3 years is a self fulfilling prophecy because that's pretty much whats been stated in most reports about Vermeil and KC.

Bottom line is that there is really nothing CP can do to please you, Packfan, with the exception of leaving KC. So it really doesnt suprise me that you dont like this choice.

You can look at it this way, at least you'll be enjoying the seasons to come as KC fails and suffers more cap and talent issues--reveling in the failures.

milkman
01-10-2001, 08:43 AM
How did some of you get that little piece of commentary added next to your user name?
And how does anyone get "too much free time"? I never have enough free time.

KCTitus
01-10-2001, 08:49 AM
I think it's based upon the number of posts...I've got over 1000 so I think that's the threshold

milkman
01-10-2001, 08:55 AM
I dont see how you can find out how many posts you've made on this BB. I'm sure I've got a lot of posting to do before I reach 1000.

KCTitus
01-10-2001, 08:56 AM
You look at mine or yours, by clicking the profile Icon. You can check anyones profile and it will tell you how many posts they have. You have 525

KC Jones
01-10-2001, 09:01 AM
There are so many factors and no simple equations for success in the NFL. Some of the primary tasks of a head coach in no particular order:

1) motivate players for every game
2) sell the players on your philosophy and ideas
3) bring players together to work as a cohesive team
4) evaluate talent
5) make cuthroat decisions about who should be on the roster and on the field
6) attract and keep the best assistant coaches
7) attract and keep the best free agents
8) master of the X's and O's who can either sign off on or vote down the assistants' game plans

Please feel free to add more!


I firmly believe that the pro game is quite different from the college game and success at one level is no guarantee of continued success at the other. Vermeil is not my top choice, but he can meet most of these requirements. You don't go to Superbowls unless a team buys their coaches game plan and he brings them together. He admitted overestimating the talent when he got to St. Louis because he'd been away so long and everyone was bigger and faster. He was a guru of the X's and O's in his early career and I believe he kept up at it as an analyst. He has league wide respect and admiration from coaches and players. He'll be a good coach.

hawaiianboy
01-10-2001, 02:30 PM
Sorry to interupt any meaningful football discussion.... but I thought I'd try it on netscape to see if the problem was me, my webtv at home or if I truly am a 'tard....

...if this doesn't work, then I guess its short buses for me from now on....


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Bob Dole
01-10-2001, 02:35 PM
WTF are you trying to do, you Raider lovin', Banana Boat wearin', zinc oxide addicted muther fugger?

hawaiianboy
01-10-2001, 02:41 PM
Dole...

Hey now hoss...I resemble that remark... just trying to get some ammo to lay on some obnoxious Raven fans and prove I'm not a 'tard!



Mind your business.... I'm sure there are some purdy coeds for you to lear at

TheFly
01-10-2001, 03:05 PM
I don't want Vermeil at any price. I'm not even sure I wanna give up any draft picks. I look at this as a great publicity stunt to save Carl's job and keep the fans coming back to the stadium for a few more years. All without having to spend cap money for "real" players - like a running back who can really run...

Bob Dole
01-10-2001, 03:11 PM
No coeds--the semester doesn't start until next Wednesday and I'm not close enough to the Registrar's office to catch any traffic...

Nelson Muntz
01-10-2001, 03:56 PM
i want vermiel here just as much as i want you here
packfan...lol. so can you guess how much i want him here??? but at least he's not an obnoxious pessimistic person who's sole purpose in life is to annoy other people with made up "facts" and change your opinion more than a 2 year old's diaper. so i guess i can deal with him. as for you... well.........

Clint in Wichita
01-10-2001, 04:43 PM
Can we have a final tally?

Who wants Dickfer Meal?

Snapper
01-10-2001, 05:29 PM
No Dick (Did I say that out loud?)

Red and Gold Mania
01-10-2001, 07:05 PM
9-23.

NO to Dick Vermeil.

Otter
01-10-2001, 07:24 PM
As I said in the past, I'm just glad to see change at this point. My biggest worry with Vermeil is that he'll come in and try to change the Chiefs into the Rams. I love the Chiefs because of the attacking defense, crushing QBs and a smash-mouth running game.

I think we could win without a drastic change in philosophy.

NaptownChief
01-10-2001, 07:30 PM
I'm going to sound like a 9er fan when I say this;

I will take Dick as long as it is free....

mlyonsd
01-10-2001, 07:36 PM
We are soooooo stupid.

If we have to give anything up for Verpile it is too much.

This is the first indication to me that Carl really has slipped off the deep end.

I'm from the midwest so I vote no to Dicky.

TheFly
01-10-2001, 07:54 PM
Wait a sec. I'll take Lynn Dickey as opposed to just taking a Dick...
:D

NaptownChief
01-10-2001, 08:05 PM
Well, if we have to cough up draft picks then we are going to take a real DICKin'

Cannibal
01-10-2001, 08:08 PM
We do have to give up picks...

http://www.nfl.com/news/010110vermeil.html


I hate Carl Peterson! http://www.geocities.com/cannibal1970/onfire.gif

TheFly
01-10-2001, 08:15 PM
I hate getting DICKed!!!! :mad: