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BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 11:30 AM
Just curious

Dartgod
11-02-2006, 11:32 AM
Psicosis

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 11:42 AM
Psicosis

Thanks. I wonder why he changed hiw name the other one was better.

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 11:44 AM
Thanks. I wonder why he changed hiw name the other one was better.

He had a partial "penectomy", which reduced his johnson to an ultra peanut size............

BucEyedPea
11-02-2006, 11:45 AM
I thought peanut was a girl? :hmmm:

chagrin
11-02-2006, 11:48 AM
you are correct, sorta - heh. I suggest you search the hall of classics for that one

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 11:49 AM
I thought peanut was a girl? :hmmm:

You are partially correct..........

Otter
11-02-2006, 11:49 AM
http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/images/wormcan.gif

BucEyedPea
11-02-2006, 11:50 AM
You are partially correct..........
:hmmm: How can that be?

Oh I get it! :doh!: Peanut is a hermaphrodite!

Brock
11-02-2006, 11:51 AM
She's still pretty much all right.

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 11:51 AM
This is really a much more complicated question than it appears on its surface, right, UP?

Ebolapox
11-02-2006, 11:51 AM
yeah, peanut likes herm...

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 11:51 AM
I thought peanut was a girl? :hmmm:

The name Ultra Peanut is kind of teh gay for a guy so I can understand why you would think that. :)

ptlyon
11-02-2006, 11:53 AM
I thought he was this guy...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Mr_peanut.png

BucEyedPea
11-02-2006, 11:54 AM
BD, I thought I saw something said by the "Peanut" ( don't know if I should use "her" or "him" quite yet) in that diet thread where he/she discussed his/her diet and mentioned being a female was where I got the idea. :hmmm:

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 11:55 AM
She's still pretty much all right.
She/he is. :thumb:




Except when he/she thinks that at she's wiser than people who are both brighter and more experienced than he/she is. :shake:

Calcountry
11-02-2006, 11:55 AM
:hmmm: How can that be?

Oh I get it! :doh!: Peanut is a hermaphrodite!I thought that was Hel'n.

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 11:56 AM
BD, I thought I saw something said by the "Peanut" ( don't know if I should use "her" or "him" quite yet) in that diet thread where he/she discussed his/her diet and mentioned being a female was where I got the idea. :hmmm:

Go with "she".

BucEyedPea
11-02-2006, 11:56 AM
She/he is. :thumb:


Touché...and funny as heck, in a pithy sorta way.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-02-2006, 11:57 AM
Did UP go through gender reassignment??

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 11:58 AM
I thought that was Hel'n.
Hel'n was a transexual. Psicosis/Ultra Peanut is an aspiring transexual, IIRC. :shrug:

BucEyedPea
11-02-2006, 11:58 AM
Did UP go through gender reassignment??
This went through my mind as well. :hmmm:

htismaqe
11-02-2006, 11:58 AM
I've know Peanut for a long time due to both of us being active on a website dedicated to NCAA football games.

Some of this conversation isn't in very good taste...

NewChief
11-02-2006, 12:01 PM
Some of this conversation isn't in very good taste...

:clap:

Archie F. Swin
11-02-2006, 12:01 PM
I've know Peanut for a long time due to both of us being active on a website dedicated to NCAA football games.

Some of this conversation isn't in very good taste...

give guidance, honorable one

BucEyedPea
11-02-2006, 12:02 PM
I thought that was Hel'n.
Who's Hel'n?

Or are you trying to say hellion as a contraction? :hmmm:

Or is this a reference to "the" historical and famed "Hel'n of Troy?" :hmmm:

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 12:02 PM
I've know Peanut for a long time due to both of us being active on a website dedicated to NCAA football games.

Some of this conversation isn't in very good taste...

Then maybe UP should've kept his/her secret to himself/herself? :shrug:

It's there in the archives if anyone really wanted to dig it up....and it hasn't changed the fact UP is an upstanding and good contributor to the site.

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 12:02 PM
Some of this conversation isn't in very good taste...

True.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 12:03 PM
Who's Hel'n?

Or are you trying to say hellion as a contraction? :hmmm:

Or is this a reference to "the" historical and famed "Hel'n of Troy?" :hmmm:

If you are really curious, the archives are there...even if some threads have been purged.

NewChief
11-02-2006, 12:03 PM
Then maybe UP should've kept his/her secret to himself/herself? :shrug:


ROFL
Oh! Ouch! The irony is killing me. Killing me I say!

ptlyon
11-02-2006, 12:03 PM
Then maybe UP should've kept his/her secret to himself/herself? :shrug:

It's there in the archives if anyone really wanted to dig it up....and it hasn't changed the fact UP is an upstanding and good contributor to the site.

pot, meet kettle

chagrin
11-02-2006, 12:04 PM
If you are really curious, the archives are there...even if some threads have been purged.

Nah, she'd rather just impress herself with her own knowledge

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 12:04 PM
I've know Peanut for a long time due to both of us being active on a website dedicated to NCAA football games.

Some of this conversation isn't in very good taste...


Puhhhlease

jspchief
11-02-2006, 12:05 PM
Then maybe UP should've kept his/her secret to himself/herself? :shrug:
Probably true. But I'm not sure that excuses a lack of manners.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 12:06 PM
Hel'n was a transexual. Psicosis/Ultra Peanut is an aspiring transexual, IIRC. :shrug:

For real?

I must've missed that. It's hard to tell around here, that kind of smack gets thrown around so much. I just thought he changed his username to some obscure reference -- his posts often contain that stuff that I don't get (probably because of age difference).

I don't mind UP at all, don't care what his personal stuff is -- unless I can use it as a weapon against him. :fire:


;)

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 12:08 PM
Probably true. But I'm not sure that excuses a lack of manners.

jsp lecturing on manners? I've seen it all now.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 12:08 PM
pot, meet kettle

Agreed.

Your point? :shrug:

Brock
11-02-2006, 12:08 PM
She's still pretty much all right.

I don't know what I meant by "still" allright. She's all right, period.

jspchief
11-02-2006, 12:10 PM
jsp lecturing on manners? I've seen it all now.yep. That and Kotter lecturing about keeping private matters private pretty much makes this thread the pinnacle of hypcrisy.

ptlyon
11-02-2006, 12:10 PM
Agreed.

Your point? :shrug:

Just pointing it out...

JBucc
11-02-2006, 12:10 PM
I don't see what's so bad about this conversation.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 12:12 PM
yep. That and Kotter lecturing about keeping private matters private pretty much makes this thread the pinnacle of hypcrisy.

The difference is I have no real regrets. I've moved past the few I have. And actually, you guys are selling UP short.....he seems to be comfortable with who he/she is. I say, good for UP.

It's the rest of you who seem to be squiriming about it.... :shrug:

vailpass
11-02-2006, 12:12 PM
Some of this conversation isn't in very good taste...

You've got to be kidding me. Dude/ette comes on the board and types a novella revealing a desire to take a walk on the wild side but it is not alright to mention it? Puh-leeze.

chagrin
11-02-2006, 12:13 PM
All I know is the dude made me aware of Deth Klok - he's BRUTAL!!

htismaqe
11-02-2006, 12:14 PM
Puhhhlease

I wasn't talking about you. There's nothing wrong with the thread or the question posed in it.

I said SOME of this conversation was in poor taste, not all of it.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 12:14 PM
Just pointing it out...

I can live with my whatever minimal "regrets" I may have....it's a discussion board, afterall. My ONLY real regret was the dickweed who tried to bring the discussion board to my real life. :shrug:

htismaqe
11-02-2006, 12:14 PM
You've got to be kidding me. Dude/ette comes on the board and types a novella revealing a desire to take a walk on the wild side but it is not alright to mention it? Puh-leeze.

Did I say that?

You've turned into a real drama queen.

big nasty kcnut
11-02-2006, 12:14 PM
UP is alright and a friend.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 12:16 PM
yep. That and Kotter lecturing about keeping private matters private pretty much makes this thread the pinnacle of hypcrisy.

No one's lecturing but you.....

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 12:16 PM
The difference is I have no real regrets. I've moved past the few I have. And actually, you guys are selling UP short.....he seems to be comfortable with who he/she is. I say, good for UP.

It's the rest of you who seem to be squiriming about it.... :shrug:

I thought everyone was just joking, good god. I didn't mean to pull the dude/dudettes covers. LMAO

Baby Lee
11-02-2006, 12:19 PM
I wasn't talking about you. There's nothing wrong with the thread or the question posed in it.

I said SOME of this conversation was in poor taste, not all of it.
Oh yeah, well some people . . . are not entirely . . . correct . . . about some things they have said . . . and I'll just leave it at that. :harumph:

Sufficiently obscured? :p

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 12:20 PM
I thought everyone was just joking, good god. I didn't mean to pull the dude/dudettes covers. LMAO

There are certain sensitive matters on this board that you don't F with. Peoples dual sex lives and their dual board personalities............

BucEyedPea
11-02-2006, 12:20 PM
Sufficiently obscured? :p


Yes. This gives me zero clues. :harumph:

Bootlegged
11-02-2006, 12:21 PM
wha wha what? Tuckin' the sac back?

NewChief
11-02-2006, 12:21 PM
FYI: I'm pretty sure that transexual people prefer to be referred to by their target gender. It's my understanding that the whole s/he and him/her thing is sort of insulting to them (not that we aren't above insulting people around here). Anyway, if you're trying to be polite with the him/her bit, I imagine that just using the female pronouns would be more appropriate. If you're trying to be insulting, then feel free to continue. ;)

Baby Lee
11-02-2006, 12:22 PM
I thought everyone was just joking, good god. I didn't mean to pull the dude/dudettes covers. LMAO
Don't know if [s]he wants it publicized right now, today, as we speak.

But [s]he did go to the trouble of laying the issue out in great detail on here in the past. And to my knowledge, until [s]he brought it up, no one had ever speculated/intimated/mused or otherwise broached the subject.

ptlyon
11-02-2006, 12:22 PM
wha wha what? Tuckin' the sac back?

Now a new question.


Who did you used to be?

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 12:22 PM
Sufficiently obscured? :p

I'm hella confused and don't think I want to know the answer.

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 12:23 PM
Now a new question.


Who did you used to be?

That's Hel'n

:)

ptlyon
11-02-2006, 12:25 PM
That's Hel'n

:)

And the plot thickens...

BucEyedPea
11-02-2006, 12:26 PM
FTR, I wasn't tryin' to be insultin' intentionally. I really thought UP was a girl due to that diet thread when I thought UP was a guy at first. Haven't been here long enough to know if my comments would be insultin'...anything else was just playin' on words for fun, as in puns, and that was really the Hel'n thing.

I enjoy UP's post regardless to UP's gender or anything else.
Just some honest confusion on my end.

vailpass
11-02-2006, 12:30 PM
Did I say that?

You've turned into a real drama queen.

Is that a pun? LMAO
Be careful or JSPChief will slander you with that refuge of the PC lock- stepper "homophobia" label.

NewChief
11-02-2006, 12:30 PM
FTR, I wasn't tryin' to be insultin' intentionally.

It's an honest point of confusion for most people. I'm not saying that I'm completely right, but there was a similar person on another BB that I used to be on. She wanted to be known as she, because she felt that she was a she, not a he. I think she is now a she in fact now as well. She might not have been representative of the entire TG community, but that's what I remember her posting.

htismaqe
11-02-2006, 12:30 PM
Is that a pun? LMAO
Be careful or JSPChief will slander you with that refuge of the PC lock- stepper "homophobia" label.

I never even though about it when I said it, but you're right.

You don't wear a dress do you? :D

vailpass
11-02-2006, 12:31 PM
Perhaps this will clear it up for the newer folks:

Holly came from miami f.l.a.
Hitch-hiked her way across the u.s.a.

Plucked her eyebrows on the way
Shaved her leg and then he was a she
She says, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
Said, hey honey, take a walk on the wild side

Candy came from out on the island
In the backroom she was everybodys darling

But she never lost her head
Even when she was given head
She says, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
Said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
And the coloured girls go

Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo)

Little joe never once gave it away
Everybody had to pay and pay

A hustle here and a hustle there
New york city is the place where they said
Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
I said hey joe, take a walk on the wild side

Sugar plum fairy came and hit the streets
Lookin for soul food and a place to eat

Went to the apollo
You should have seen him go go go
They said, hey sugar, take a walk on the wild side
I said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
All right, huh

Jackie is just speeding away
Thought she was james dean for a day

Then I guess she had to crash
Valium would have helped that dash
She said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
I said, hey honey, take a walk on the wild side
And the coloured girls say

Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)
(doo)

ptlyon
11-02-2006, 12:38 PM
Perhaps this will clear it up for the newer folks:


That song made sense until I now read it

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 12:39 PM
Is that a pun? LMAO
Be careful or JSPChief will slander you with that refuge of the PC lock- stepper "homophobia" label.

He just wants to be the first to break in the new double D's. LMAO

vailpass
11-02-2006, 12:41 PM
He just wants to be the first to break in the new double D's. LMAO
ROFL

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 12:42 PM
He just wants to be the first to break in the new double D's. LMAO

Holy $hit!

ROFL

We just hit rock bottom. lmao

luv
11-02-2006, 12:45 PM
I must not be reading the right threads. I always thought UP was a little weird, but I didn't know anything about any of this. I tend to be a little naive when it comes to these sorts of things, though.

KC-TBB
11-02-2006, 12:48 PM
NOW THIS is some entertaining stuff! ROFL

Frazod
11-02-2006, 12:50 PM
I still think UP's biggest issue is liking soccer. :spock:

ptlyon
11-02-2006, 12:54 PM
I still think UP's biggest issue is liking soccer. :spock:

THAT explains it.

Bootlegged
11-02-2006, 01:00 PM
That's Hel'n

:)


rochambeau

|Zach|
11-02-2006, 01:00 PM
I have never fully understood the situation with Psi's personal life but I have always understood how much of a valued member Psi is around here with interesting takes and unique humor.

Cochise
11-02-2006, 01:04 PM
I don't have a scientific understanding of the situation, but if you bring it to the board, you have a pretty good idea that it's going to be fair game. If you want to keep something private then keep it private.

Phobia
11-02-2006, 01:04 PM
I like Psicosis. I've always liked her. She's been a steady part of my online enjoyment since she was 14. But I never knew she was 14. She seemed like she was in her early 20's. She's always been very entertaining - one of my favorites.

I do agree that some of the stuff in this thread is rude. But you can't unring a bell. Psicosis was on this board through the whole Hel'n thing. She knew what she was in for.

I'm not trying to excuse the behavior - I've been one of the morons as well. In fact, I didn't believe her for a long time. What are the chances? Two in 8,000?

Phobia
11-02-2006, 01:06 PM
Who the heck did "Bootlegged" used to be?

JBucc
11-02-2006, 01:07 PM
I like Psicosis. I've always liked her. She's been a steady part of my online enjoyment since she was 14. But I never knew she was 14. She seemed like she was in her early 20's. She's always been very entertaining - one of my favorites.

I do agree that some of the stuff in this thread is rude. But you can't unring a bell. Psicosis was on this board through the whole Hel'n thing. She knew what she was in for.

I'm not trying to excuse the behavior - I've been one of the morons as well. In fact, I didn't believe her for a long time. What are the chances? Two in 8,000?14???How long ago was she 14?

JBucc
11-02-2006, 01:08 PM
Who the heck did "Bootlegged" used to be?I forgot. Something Something I think.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:08 PM
I like Psicosis. I've always liked her. She's been a steady part of my online enjoyment since she was 14. But I never knew she was 14. She seemed like she was in her early 20's. She's always been very entertaining - one of my favorites.

I do agree that some of the stuff in this thread is rude. But you can't unring a bell. Psicosis was on this board through the whole Hel'n thing. She knew what she was in for.

I'm not trying to excuse the behavior - I've been one of the morons as well. In fact, I didn't believe her for a long time. What are the chances? Two in 8,000?

Once again -- are you serious? She's 14?

I thought she was around 18-20. I always got the impression she was starting college.

Man, am I WAY out of the loop.

Although I will say I have a new perspective on UP's posts on that Brian Kinchen thread.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:09 PM
Who the heck did "Bootlegged" used to be?

I think it's Lattimer.

Or maybe I'm out of the loop on that, too.

Bootlegged
11-02-2006, 01:10 PM
Who the heck did "Bootlegged" used to be?

I used to be a respected member of society. Also known as Lattimer.

Phobia
11-02-2006, 01:12 PM
Oh, she's in her early 20's no, I believe.

But she was 14 when she first started hanging out on the Star site. I remember her turning 16 on ChiefsPlanet - and 18 - and 20. She stopped talking about age after the whole reassignment thing though.

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 01:12 PM
I used to be a respected member of society. Also known as Lattimer.

respected, my ass. Whatever, Hel'n............

JBucc
11-02-2006, 01:12 PM
I used to be a respected member of society. Also known as Lattimer.I was close.

ptlyon
11-02-2006, 01:13 PM
I used to be a respected member of society. Also known as Lattimer.

Why for the name change?

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:14 PM
Oh, she's in her early 20's no, I believe.

But she was 14 when she first started hanging out on the Star site. I remember her turning 16 on ChiefsPlanet - and 18 - and 20. She stopped talking about age after the whole reassignment thing though.

OK -- that makes more sense. So she probably really was around 18 when I first took notice.

It's amazing how so many things are suddenly becoming clearer, such as an exchange on the Ann Coulter DC thread today. I totally did a "Huh?" the first time, but now I'm "Ohhhh ..."

Well, good luck to UP. I'll just readjust my sensors now.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:15 PM
Why for the name change?

Hormone therapy.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:15 PM
Sorry, couldn't resist.

ptlyon
11-02-2006, 01:16 PM
Oh, she's in her early 20's no, I believe.



Ok - is UP officially a she or a he?

I think I remember him be a he wanting to be a she. Is she officially a she? Or we are just being PC and calling her a she because she wants to be a she?

Personally I can't fathom calling a peanut a she.

"I always refer to gangs as 'shes'. Just like you call a boat a she, it's just another one of those things you call 'she'."

DaFace
11-02-2006, 01:17 PM
If you ever want to know who a user USED to be, go to their profile and click on "Find all threads started by this user." Threads are permanently linked to the current name of the person that started them.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:20 PM
First of all...http://koti.mbnet.fi/~foo/wtf.jpg is going on in here?

Second, if you ever want to know who a user USED to be, go to their profile and click on "View all threads started by this user." Threads are permanently linked to the current name of the person that started them.

I did that with UP and couldn't find any big announcement thread. If it was said in the middle of something else, I may have read it and just assumed UP was doing his usual skewed-view posting (NTTAWWT). UP, to me, often speaks in an obscure pop-culture code that I'm probably too un-hip to get.

JBucc
11-02-2006, 01:21 PM
If you ever want to know who a user USED to be, go to their profile and click on "Find all threads started by this user." Threads are permanently linked to the current name of the person that started them.So you used to be mattherndon?

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:22 PM
I clicked on Phobia's profile and found out he used to be someone important here. Whouda thunk it?

htismaqe
11-02-2006, 01:22 PM
Go Memphis!

htismaqe
11-02-2006, 01:23 PM
UP, to me, often speaks in an obscure pop-culture code that I'm probably too un-hip to get.

TOTALLY agree.

DaFace
11-02-2006, 01:23 PM
So you used to be mattherndon?

Yep. I just used my real name when I first started lurking here. After I decided to become an actual regular poster, I decided I didn't want my real name just hanging out there for all to see.

Thanks for exposing me, bastard. :p

Bootlegged
11-02-2006, 01:24 PM
Why for the name change?


It was just an anti-Hicks thought after the Houston pre-season game, I believe.

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 01:24 PM
I have never fully understood the situation with Psi's personal life but I have always understood how much of a valued member Psi is around here with interesting takes and unique humor.


I don't think anyone is trying to run him/her off. I always got along great with UP and pulling his/her covers wasn't done intentionally. Hell, I gotta lot of respect for UP going through this. When dude is done he'll never have to leave the house. NICE!!!!!

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 01:26 PM
TOTALLY agree.

Yeah, it's sad, really. I'm way too pasty white, and way too old to pick up some of these conversations on this bb. But that's just the way I roll............

Skip Towne
11-02-2006, 01:26 PM
Oh, she's in her early 20's no, I believe.

But she was 14 when she first started hanging out on the Star site. I remember her turning 16 on ChiefsPlanet - and 18 - and 20. She stopped talking about age after the whole reassignment thing though.
She was never on the Star board. She said so.

Bootlegged
11-02-2006, 01:27 PM
I don't think anyone is trying to run him/her off. I always got along great with UP and pulling his/her covers wasn't done intentionally. Hell, I gotta lot of respect for UP going through this. When dude is done he'll never have to leave the house. NICE!!!!!

Oh man ROFL

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:27 PM
TOTALLY agree.

What, that I'm un-hip? :p

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:29 PM
Yeah, it's sad, really. I'm way too pasty white, and way too old to pick up some of these conversations on this bb. But that's just the way I roll............

I don't so much roll as creep along with a slight limp.

Iowanian
11-02-2006, 01:30 PM
How sad that the operation turned him into denise.

vailpass
11-02-2006, 01:30 PM
I don't think anyone is trying to run him/her off. I always got along great with UP and pulling his/her covers wasn't done intentionally. Hell, I gotta lot of respect for UP going through this. When dude is done he'll never have to leave the house. NICE!!!!!

ROFL YOU'RE KILLING ME SMALLS!!!

JazzzLovr
11-02-2006, 01:31 PM
I clicked on Phobia's profile and found out he used to be someone important here. Whouda thunk it?

Well, great. Obviously, profiles are just as unreliable as the referrals are.

vailpass
11-02-2006, 01:31 PM
How sad that the operation turned him into denise.
ROFL And the hits just keep comin'....

|Zach|
11-02-2006, 01:31 PM
How sad that the operation turned him into denise.Think there is another user who has talked about Denise more in this boards history?

You can be honest.

Bootlegged
11-02-2006, 01:32 PM
So, lemme summarize and see if I have this;

Psicosis who is now Ultra Peanut is a young 20-something person. UP is now a partial female after getting surgery to transform from M to F?

vailpass
11-02-2006, 01:33 PM
Think there is another user who has talked about Denise more in this boards history?

You can be honest.

You try so hard to be PC Zach, I think that's nice. Do you ever get tired of it and want to be the guy that ****s his roomate's woman when she shows up drunk and he's not home?

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:33 PM
UP is now a partial female after getting surgery to transform from M to F?

But what about the weekends?

Iowanian
11-02-2006, 01:33 PM
Think there is anyone quicker on the draw to throw themselves on the martyr grenade than you?

You can be honest Tacozach.

Bootlegged
11-02-2006, 01:34 PM
But what about the weekends?

Weekends are hot dog/taco, depending on mood.

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 01:34 PM
Yep. I just used my real name when I first started lurking here. After I decided to become an actual regular poster, I decided I didn't want my real name just hanging out there for all to see.

Thanks for exposing me, bastard. :p


You're Matther N. Don?

|Zach|
11-02-2006, 01:34 PM
You try so hard to be PC Zach, I think that's nice. Do you ever get tired of it and want to be the guy that ****s his roomate's woman when she shows up drunk and he's not home?
Hey if you and your buddies like talking about her, making references to her, and bringing her up all the time...in other words pulling her backj to the board then more power to you.

I am interested in less of her not more.

I don't think some of you feel the same way.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:36 PM
Weekends are hot dog/taco, depending on mood.

Neat, it's like being your own buffet.

Phobia
11-02-2006, 01:37 PM
Holy crap, a thread about Hel'n, UP, AND Denise all at once? This is like the biggest transexual convention to ever hit the midwest. Wait until I alert the press!

vailpass
11-02-2006, 01:39 PM
Hey if you and your buddies like talking about her, making references to her, and bringing her up all the time...in other words pulling her backj to the board then more power to you.

I am interested in less of her not more.

I don't think some of you feel the same way.

I'm a rival visitor and can claim no buddies here; only people who have graciously agreed to postpone attacking me until the time is right.

As for Jihad Jane: once you have herpes it's there to stay no matter if you talk about it or not.

Iowanian
11-02-2006, 01:39 PM
Seeing Less?

Shiiiiiiiiiit.....You bought her Fathead(tm)

JazzzLovr
11-02-2006, 01:40 PM
Holy crap, a thread about Hel'n, UP, AND Denise all at once? This is like the biggest transexual convention to ever hit the midwest. Wait until I alert the press!

You can write the story, but I won't let you publish it.









:evil:

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 01:40 PM
Holy crap, a thread about Hel'n, UP, AND Denise all at once? This is like the biggest transexual convention to ever hit the midwest. Wait until I alert the press!

I'm gonna go slip into some comfortable shoes.

wilas101
11-02-2006, 01:40 PM
I just read through this whole thread because I wanted to be "in the know" like everyone else.


It didn't help.

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 01:43 PM
If you ever want to know who a user USED to be, go to their profile and click on "Find all threads started by this user." Threads are permanently linked to the current name of the person that started them.

I did that on myself to see if I used to be anyone else, but there's an upper limit of 500 threads that are shown, and that only took me back 11 months. Maybe I've been spending too much time here.

vailpass
11-02-2006, 01:44 PM
Holy crap, a thread about Hel'n, UP, AND Denise all at once? This is like the biggest transexual convention to ever hit the midwest. Wait until I alert the press!

Someone needs to mention poop so the scat faction doesn't feel like they got a shitty deal. I mean dumped on. Er, uh, left behind.

DaFace
11-02-2006, 01:45 PM
I did that on myself to see if I used to be anyone else, but there's an upper limit of 500 threads that are shown, and that only took me back 11 months. Maybe I've been spending too much time here.

I think your average daily thread-starting rate is higher than the average post-rate of many users.

Phobia
11-02-2006, 01:46 PM
Someone needs to mention poop so the scat faction doesn't feel like they got a shitty deal. I mean dumped on. Er, uh, left behind.

Does a transexual still poop or do they get a Klosteromy bag?

Phobia
11-02-2006, 01:46 PM
I think your average daily thread-starting rate is higher than the average post-rate of many users.

I know. Morph has been talking about putting him on the gochiefs plan.

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 01:49 PM
I know. Morph has been talking about putting him on the gochiefs plan.

It's no wonder that I'm running out of material. I hope I haven't jumped the shark.

vailpass
11-02-2006, 01:50 PM
Does a transexual still poop or do they get a Klosteromy bag?
LMAO That's gonna' leave a mark.

Dartgod
11-02-2006, 02:02 PM
I did that on myself to see if I used to be anyone else, but there's an upper limit of 500 threads that are shown, and that only took me back 11 months. Maybe I've been spending too much time here.
There was a guy here named Kevin a few years ago that you remind me of, but he was kind of an asshole.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 02:07 PM
There was a guy here named Kevin a few years ago that you remind me of, but he was kind of an asshole.

His schtick got old fast.

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 02:11 PM
His schtick got old fast.

Yea that guy had WAY too much time on his hands.

chagrin
11-02-2006, 02:11 PM
Someone needs to mention poop so the scat faction doesn't feel like they got a shitty deal. I mean dumped on. Er, uh, left behind.

You mean Fire Me Boy! ??

Frazod
11-02-2006, 02:27 PM
Yea that guy had WAY too much time on his hands.

All those friggin polls. Good God, I thought he'd never leave.

Phobia
11-02-2006, 02:32 PM
Okay - this thread has lost its burst. We were talking about transexuals and poop....

Now we're talking about a funny bald guy.

chagrin
11-02-2006, 02:34 PM
WHO DOES NUMBER 2 WORK FOR?!?!

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 02:37 PM
Okay - this thread has lost its burst. We were talking about transexuals and poop....

Now we're talking about a funny bald guy.

He always shows up in those threads.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 02:43 PM
I did that with UP and couldn't find any big announcement thread.....
It's really a great thread. Most of us were pretty classy overall, IMO.

It's one of the threads that I think really show what this place is about....and that while we can certainly be irreverent and pretty harsh....that this is also a great Internet community:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=116256



How sad that the operation turned him into denise.

Yup.

I just generally ignore her in DC. Mostly I enjoy her over here though.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 02:52 PM
It's really a great thread. Most of us were pretty classy overall, IMO.

It's one of the threads that I think really show what this place is about....and that while we can certainly be irreverent and pretty harsh....that this is also a great Internet community:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=116256

Thank you.

I don't know HOW I missed that. It's more than a year old! Maybe I was on one of my Planet sabbaticals.

What are the odds that ChiefsPlanet would have TWO transgendered posters? Well, to be safe: AT LEAST two?


I wonder ... has anyone here felt like they were a ... you know ... Broncos fan trapped in a Chiefs fan's body?

patteeu
11-02-2006, 02:52 PM
There was a guy here named Kevin a few years ago that you remind me of, but he was kind of an asshole.

I heard she goes by Kelly nowadays.

memyselfI
11-02-2006, 02:54 PM
It's really a great thread. Most of us were pretty classy overall, IMO.

It's one of the threads that I think really show what this place is about....and that while we can certainly be irreverent and pretty harsh....that this is also a great Internet community:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=116256


I missed that the first time. All I've got to say is that Helen laid the groundwork for U.P's announcement to be taken in a more lighthearted manner. Thank God for her. The shock and disgust level was rather non-existant because the board had been through it once before...

which makes me wonder. What is it about THIS community that would have two different people come out of the closet about their sex change in the past four years?

memyselfI
11-02-2006, 02:55 PM
Thank you.

I don't know HOW I missed that. It's more than a year old! Maybe I was on one of my Planet sabbaticals.

What are the odds that ChiefsPlanet would have TWO transgendered posters? Well, to be safe: AT LEAST two?


I wonder ... has anyone here felt like they were a ... you know ... Broncos fan trapped in a Chiefs fan's body?


LOL, I was just typing this as you posted.

I guess the odds of it happening are not astronomical. I think the odds of someone, let alone two, admitting it to a predominately male football forum must be....

Dartgod
11-02-2006, 02:56 PM
I missed that the first time. All I've got to say is that Helen laid the groundwork for U.P's announcement to be taken in a more lighthearted manner. Thank God for her. The shock and disgust level was rather non-existant because the board had been through it once before...

which makes me wonder. What is it about THIS community that would have two different people come out of the closet about their sex change in the past four years?Oh bullshit. The difference is that most people here liked (scratch that, respected is a better word) Psicosis to begin with. Much like you, the majority here despised Hel'n.

memyselfI
11-02-2006, 03:00 PM
Oh bullshit. The difference is that most people here liked (scratch that, respected is a better word) Psicosis to begin with. Much like you, the majority here despised Hel'n.

Uh, they liked George and the Fly too... :rolleyes:

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 03:00 PM
I missed that the first time. All I've got to say is that Helen laid the groundwork for U.P's announcement to be taken in a more lighthearted manner. Thank God for her. The shock and disgust level was rather non-existant because the board had been through it once before...

I suspect that it may have had more to do with U.P.'s popularity on the board, but that's just me talking.

which makes me wonder. What is it about THIS community that would have two different people come out of the closet about their sex change in the past four years?

I suspect that it's our caring, friendly, and inclusive environment. Now go car-bomb a shopping mall, you terrorist. :p

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 03:02 PM
LOL, I was just typing this as you posted.

I guess the odds of it happening are not astronomical. I think the odds of someone, let alone two, admitting it to a predominately male football forum must be....

That is probably indeed the more unusual aspect.

Off-topic, but I wonder if transgendered folks or other folks that may face "attitudes" are more common in internet-based communities because it is indeed so blind to anything other than the content of the writing?

Baby Lee
11-02-2006, 03:02 PM
The shock and disgust level was rather non-existant because the board had been through it once before...
The shock and disgust wasn't there because it wasn't there.
The Hel'n incident had nothing to do with it.
And the beefs people had with Hel'n were about her personality, not her gender status. That girl had serious issues, and took them out on a lot of us.

memyselfI
11-02-2006, 03:03 PM
I suspect that it may have had more to do with U.P.'s popularity on the board, but that's just me talking.



I suspect that it's our caring, friendly, and inclusive environment. Now go car-bomb a shopping mall, you terrorist. :p

Perhaps. You didn't know George or the Fly but he was well liked too. MOF, he was adored for being one of my harshest critics when Dave/Helen and I had a falling out and he took it to the board as his new alter ego.

memyselfI
11-02-2006, 03:06 PM
The shock and disgust wasn't there because it wasn't there.
The Hel'n incident had nothing to do with it.
And the beefs people had with Hel'n were about her personality, not her gender status. That girl had serious issues, and took them out on a lot of us.

I just said this but when she first announced her transition there were people who were actually kind of angry about it. They felt betrayed in that they were friends with him. After he became her then things changed. And yes, a great deal of it was her stuff. But much of that came post announcement. I'm referring to her initial statement. I remember advising her against it.

I think because the community has seen this already this is not shocking to anyone anymore. Many of us now 'know' two people who've done this. Most people don't even know one...

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 03:06 PM
Perhaps. You didn't know George or the Fly but he was well liked too. MOF, he was adored for being one of my harshest critics when Dave/Helen and I had a falling out and he took it to the board as his new alter ego.

I don't remember any interactions between you and them, but I would remember George/The Fly as being decently popular. I remember Hel'n being popular at first, but then dropping into the chasm as a result of a lot of arguments on social issues. Hel'n was not being allowed to play in any reindeer games by the time she released the big news.

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 03:08 PM
It's really a great thread. Most of us were pretty classy overall, IMO.

It's one of the threads that I think really show what this place is about....and that while we can certainly be irreverent and pretty harsh....that this is also a great Internet community:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=116256





Yup.

I just generally ignore her in DC. Mostly I enjoy her over here though.


What a trip. All I can say is I feel safe now to tell you all I feel like a lesbian trapped inside a man's body. :dom:

memyselfI
11-02-2006, 03:10 PM
I suspect that it's our caring, friendly, and inclusive environment. Now go car-bomb a shopping mall, you terrorist. :p


Yes, I'm quite certain that is why two adult men would confess* (advise, inform, notify, etc) to other adult men that they felt the need to become women. ;)





*word not being used in a judgemental/moral manner.

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 03:11 PM
Yes, I'm quite certain that is why two adult men would confess to other adult men that they felt the need to become women. ;)

Is it possible that they just did it for the rep? Women seem to get a lot of rep.

memyselfI
11-02-2006, 03:11 PM
Is it possible that they just did it for the rep? Women seem to get a lot of rep.

My Momma always warned me about that...

ROFL

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 03:11 PM
Yes, I'm quite certain that is why two adult men would confess* (advise, inform, notify, etc) to other adult men that they felt the need to become women. ;)





*word not being used in a judgemental/moral manner.

They should hang out with you for awhile, that would cure them.

JBucc
11-02-2006, 03:12 PM
so who else hates those intel commercials with retards who can't dance?

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 03:13 PM
...

which makes me wonder. What is it about THIS community that would have two different people come out of the closet about their sex change in the past four years?
JMHO, but we really are like one big dysfunctional family. Dysfunctional, yes; but still a kind of family. Those of us who've been around....I think many of us are SOOOO busy in our lives, that I've lost touch with some of the types of "friends" I use to have when I'm younger. No time to cultivate those kinds of friendships. I still have good friends, but they are scattered across the country....and my colleagues and SD "friends" are just as busy as I am, so it's hard to get together sometimes.

This place though.....unlike the friends and family I use to lean on for support, or use to talk to just to get things off my chest....to SAY something out loud I may be feeling, or wanting to say--this place provides an outlet for that....anytime, no big commitment, no coordination of plans, and no hassle of trying to "get together for a beer.

You got 5 minutes....or a hour.....regardless of the day....and even at 1 AM, or 10 AM in the middle of a shitty morning....this place provides an escape. Someplace to go talk about the Chiefs, to laugh, to argue politics, to get away.....or to post a thread to "let it out." You spend a few minutes, and....boom, go back to work, or doing what you need to do.

FTR, you are the eccentric and bitchy aunt that everyone rolls their eyes at. :)

Phobia
11-02-2006, 03:15 PM
Awesome. I'm glad Denise came and rescued this thread.

Calcountry
11-02-2006, 03:15 PM
Who's Hel'n?

Or are you trying to say hellion as a contraction? :hmmm:

Or is this a reference to "the" historical and famed "Hel'n of Troy?" :hmmm:I mean Hel'n, it was its username.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 03:17 PM
The shock and disgust wasn't there because it wasn't there.
The Hel'n incident had nothing to do with it.
And the beefs people had with Hel'n were about her personality, not her gender status. That girl had serious issues, and took them out on a lot of us.
I agree completely.

The reason it didn't come across with her as George or The Fly, was because of the changes in her posting....which became much more political and vitriolic---which is why Duhnise can't see it.

Calcountry
11-02-2006, 03:18 PM
I can live with my whatever minimal "regrets" I may have....it's a discussion board, afterall. My ONLY real regret was the dickweed who tried to bring the discussion board to my real life. :shrug:The discussion board is real life.

JBucc
11-02-2006, 03:18 PM
I agree completely.Me too. I hated that Hel'n.

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 03:19 PM
I'll probably never call you a chic/broad or girl though.....even if you buy some pink meat curtains to match your sheets.

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Best fuggin line in this whole thread that UP started in her coming out party last May. Leave it to Iowainian to put it into perspective for the male contingency. LMMFAO

memyselfI
11-02-2006, 03:21 PM
JMHO, but we really are like one big dysfunctional family. Dysfunctional, yes; but still a kind of family. Those of us who've been around....I think many of us are SOOOO busy in our lives, that I've lost touch with some of the types of "friends" I use to have when I'm younger. No time to cultivate those kinds of friendships. I still have good friends, but they are scattered across the country....and my colleagues and SD "friends" are just as busy as I am, so it's hard to get together sometimes.

This place though.....unlike the friends and family I use to lean on for support, or use to talk to just to get things off my chest....to SAY something out loud I may be feeling, or wanting to say--this place provides an outlet for that....anytime, no big commitment, no coordination of plans, and no hassle of trying to "get together for a beer.

You got 5 minutes....or a hour.....regardless of the day....and even at 1 AM, or 10 AM in the middle of a shitty morning....this place provides an escape. Someplace to go talk about the Chiefs, to laugh, to argue politics, to get away.....or to post a thread to "let it out." You spend a few minutes, and....boom, go back to work, or doing what you need to do.

FTR, you are the eccentric and bitchy aunt that everyone rolls their eyes at. :)

ahhhh, Sybil's getting sentimental... :grouphug: ;)

I think you are right. I think this place would be a phenomenal sociology study. Certainly one would not think that a community like this would be the place to bare one's soul about this sort of thing but maybe you are right...

it's just the convenience, the ease, the distance so it's safer. Might just be too much beer though... :hmmm:

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 03:24 PM
What a trip. All I can say is I feel safe now to tell you all I feel like a lesbian trapped inside a man's body. :dom:

What I get no sympathy? :shrug:

memyselfI
11-02-2006, 03:26 PM
I agree completely.

The reason it didn't come across with her as George or The Fly, was because of the changes in her posting....which became much more political and vitriolic---which is why Duhnise can't see it.

Actually, one of his entities was very liberal, the second one became extremely conservative, only to swing back to being very liberal after her transition. I think this reflected the internal struggle going on within. I saw this because I knew who he/he/she was over the entire time.

Some of you guys met her has Helen and originally knew her only by what she was telling you at the time and not in context to what he'd said previously. So when she appeared to whack out and become radicalized politically it appeared to come out of the blue. It wasn't. He started out that way. Then did a 180 only to go full circle.

Calcountry
11-02-2006, 03:28 PM
Does a transexual still poop or do they get a Klosteromy bag?You should know.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 03:29 PM
The discussion board is real life.

Only one asshole from somewhere in the Joplin/Columbia, MO area has every really seemed to think so....as far as I can tell.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 03:31 PM
Then did a 180 only to go full circle.

Wait, what? Never mind, I sucked at geometry.

Rain Man
11-02-2006, 03:37 PM
Wait, what? Never mind, I sucked at geometry.

I think that's a 540.

Calcountry
11-02-2006, 03:40 PM
Only one asshole from somewhere in the Joplin/Columbia, MO area has every really seemed to think so....as far as I can tell.Which asshole was that? ROFL

Calcountry
11-02-2006, 03:41 PM
I think that's a 540.No no, its an Ollie.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 03:41 PM
What a trip. All I can say is I feel safe now to tell you all I feel like a lesbian trapped inside a man's body. :dom:
Join the club. Heh.

See how sensitive we are? No one's even "bumped" that thread....well, yet anyway, and it's been over 30 minutes! :)

Frazod
11-02-2006, 03:44 PM
Only one asshole from somewhere in the Joplin/Columbia, MO area has every really seemed to think so....as far as I can tell.

That would be one seriously wide-ranging asshole. Joplin and Columbia are no where near each other. :spock:

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 03:44 PM
Which asshole was that? ROFL
Never actually found out who....Deputy Dog (the School SRO officer who made a couple of calls) could only get the phone calls narrowed down to some cell phone towers in central and southwest MO. The dude backed off, so we let it drop.

That would be one seriously wide-ranging asshole. Joplin and Columbia are no where near each other. :spock:

It was cell phone towers from Central and Southern MO.....on one specific day. We figured the dude was driving between the two areas. :shrug:

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 03:49 PM
Join the club. Heh.

See how sensitive we are? No one's even "bumped" that thread....well, yet anyway, and it's been over 30 minutes! :)

It's true. Ever since I was a young man..........er uh woman I have always seen myself as a hot lipstick lesbian with lots of hottie girlfriends. I imagined all the of the things we would do each other and right about then some asshat would have the audacity to call me dude and ruin it. :cuss: They have idea how that makes me feel. I always saw myself as more a trashy blonde type with brown roots. Something like this:

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2006, 03:51 PM
lollin' at this thread

Phobia
11-02-2006, 03:52 PM
lollin' at this thread

Oh thank God you didn't die in surgery.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 03:56 PM
lollin' at this thread

Don't go thinking this makes you King of the ... I mean Queen of the Planet now.

Reaper16
11-02-2006, 03:59 PM
Wow, this thread is a pretty good relative sample of the Planet dichotomy.

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2006, 04:00 PM
Wow, this thread is a pretty good relative sample of the Planet dichotomy.Hence the lollin'.

Ari Chi3fs
11-02-2006, 04:02 PM
Well since Psicosis lost so much weight, maybe he doesnt feel this way anymore?? This subject really hasnt been discussed since the weight was lost.

So, UP, how you feel about it now?

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 04:03 PM
Hence the lollin'.

I understand your gender issues far more than I do your lingo.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 04:04 PM
Well since Psicosis lost so much weight, maybe he doesnt feel this way anymore?? This subject really hasnt been discussed since the weight was lost.

So, UP, how you feel about it now?
Hell, now she'll get to order lingerie from Victoria Secret instead of Lane Bryant...that's gotta be totally phat....yo, homey. ;)

I understand your gender issues far more than I do your lingo.

Laughing out loud -ing, I'd think..... :shrug:

Baby Lee
11-02-2006, 04:05 PM
Wow, this thread is a pretty good relative sample of the Planet dichotomy.
I think that's supposed to be dick-offa-me.

Reaper16
11-02-2006, 04:06 PM
One of the best things about UP is I do understand the lingo. Ah, youth.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 04:06 PM
I think that's supposed to be dick-offa-me. aka:

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2006, 04:08 PM
I understand your gender issues far more than I do your lingo.It's an ironically-used present tense form of the verb "to lol."

Ultra Peanut
11-02-2006, 04:09 PM
I must depart posthaste.

Baby Lee
11-02-2006, 04:09 PM
It's an ironically-used present tense form of the verb "to lol."
Fess up, you were mocking an Asian in his hooptie.

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 04:13 PM
It's an ironically-used present tense form of the verb "to lol."

Are you going with the double D's dude cause if you are I think jsp may be interested. Do you like roofers?

ChiTown
11-02-2006, 04:14 PM
Do you like roofers?

Is that "code" for butt ****ers?

Baby Lee
11-02-2006, 04:16 PM
Is that "code" for butt ****ers?
I think it's code for upper deckers, . . . TFers, chili-doggers if you're particularly kinky.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 04:17 PM
Is that "code" for butt ****ers?
Of course not. She is saving for a vagina. Duh. :rolleyes:



;)

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 04:18 PM
Is that "code" for butt ****ers? ROFL

I don't know it might be. I don't speak that funny ass language either I can totally relate to SK

Easy 6
11-02-2006, 04:28 PM
Wowsers, soaps dont have jack on this place. Its gotta take a dumptruck full o' guts to spill the beans about an issue like that on a testosterone driven football board, i take my hat off to you psi/UP...a bold move. Nothing could be more complicated than the heart of a human being and few things could be as difficult as growing up like that UP, its a good thing you found peace with it or you prolly wouldnt make it to 30.



I cant claim to understand it but perhaps a quote from one of my personal heroes, Karl Childers, would best sum up my feelings on it..." I dont reckon' the Lord'd send a person like you ta' Hades" or something like that anyways. God created you and God loves you. Good Luck :thumb:

burt
11-02-2006, 04:30 PM
wow....just caught up. NO ONE woulda expected this thread by the title. I also missed the previous "gender " thread.

Hey, I am a conservative, middle aged guy...and UP is cool by me no matter what gender she is. And Hel'n had no bearing on my opinion, because I never knew her. I just like and appreciate UP. But damn, I hope she ain't ugly......

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 04:31 PM
Wowsers, soaps dont have jack on this place. Its gotta take a dumptruck full o' guts to spill the beans about an issue like that on a testosterone driven football board, i take my hat off to you psi/UP...a bold move. Nothing could be more complicated than the heart of a human being and few things could be as difficult as growing up like that UP, its a good thing you found peace with it or you prolly wouldnt make it to 30.



I cant claim to understand it but perhaps a quote from one of my personal heroes, Karl Childers, would best sum up my feelings on it..." I dont reckon' the Lord'd send a person like you ta' Hades" or something like that anyways. God created you and God loves you. Good Luck :thumb:


I kinda wonder about you with that puppy avatar. Hell that's worse than a polar bear cub poster there cupcake.

Calcountry
11-02-2006, 04:31 PM
aka:Looks like a new avatar option for Rain Man :p

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 04:32 PM
wow....just caught up. NO ONE woulda expected this thread by the title. I also missed the previous "gender " thread.

Hey, I am a conservative, middle aged guy...and UP is cool by me no matter what gender she is. And Hel'n had no bearing on my opinion, because I never knew her. I just like and appreciate UP. But damn, I hope she ain't ugly......

jsp's got first dibs dude, pipe down.

siberian khatru
11-02-2006, 04:33 PM
I kinda wonder about you with that puppy avatar. Hell that worse than a polar bear cub poster there cupcake.

ROFL

"Well, now that you mention it, it all started in 6th grade ..."

stevieray
11-02-2006, 04:34 PM
Wowsers, soaps dont have jack on this place. Its gotta take a dumptruck full o' guts to spill the beans about an issue like that on a testosterone driven football board, i take my hat off to you psi/UP...a bold move. Nothing could be more complicated than the heart of a human being and few things could be as difficult as growing up like that UP, its a good thing you found peace with it or you prolly wouldnt make it to 30.



I cant claim to understand it but perhaps a quote from one of my personal heroes, Karl Childers, would best sum up my feelings on it..." I dont reckon' the Lord'd send a person like you ta' Hades" or something like that anyways. God created you and God loves you. Good Luck :thumb:

Nice post.

I don't think it's brave to disclose information behind a username...I do think it's brave to make serious decisions regarding gender. I've always thought that Psinut was wise beyond the years...I think you'd have to be pretty strong to engage the rest of your life in those circumstances.

I just hope it's a good surgeon...

Easy 6
11-02-2006, 04:43 PM
I kinda wonder about you with that puppy avatar. Hell that's worse than a polar bear cub poster there cupcake.
One day...when i grow up, i'm gonna learn how to download images and use them for av's. Until that day you will have to deal with the classiest n coolest stock av the Planet has. Thought you were a dog lover???

Easy 6
11-02-2006, 04:49 PM
Nice post.



I just hope it's a good surgeon...



We can only hope so for UP's sake, but if that was her in her "Re-Tar-Ded" av, i already thought she was a girl.

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 04:52 PM
One day...when i grow up, i'm gonna learn how to download images and use them for av's. Until that day you will have to deal with the classiest n coolest stock av the Planet has. Thought you were a dog lover???

I'm just yankin your chain homey. MOF I like pictures of polar bears too. Then again I am a lesbian trapped inside of a man's body. Here is one I've got saved right now.

Easy 6
11-02-2006, 04:57 PM
I'm just yankin your chain homey. MOF I like pictures of polar bears too. Then again I am a lesbian trapped inside of a man's body. Here is one I've got saved right now.
Thats a righteous pic.

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 05:00 PM
Thats a righteous pic.

Since you like it so much here's a couple more.

Demonpenz
11-02-2006, 05:02 PM
i smell a new thread The official polar bear pictures thread. Don't look and get pissed (russ)

Logical
11-02-2006, 05:02 PM
ROFL
Oh! Ouch! The irony is killing me. Killing me I say!

Oh lord, do I ever agree.

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 05:03 PM
Other one won't post. I love this guys work. Go to his limited editions link and check it out.

http://www.mangelsen.com/

Easy 6
11-02-2006, 05:05 PM
i smell a new thread The official polar bear pictures thread. Don't look and get pissed (russ)
LOL... nothin' goes together better than transgender discussions & polar bears, its right up there with peanut butter & jelly, Frank & Deano yada yada yada!!!

Logical
11-02-2006, 05:09 PM
Don't know if [s]he wants it publicized right now, today, as we speak.

But [s]he did go to the trouble of laying the issue out in great detail on here in the past. And to my knowledge, until [s]he brought it up, no one had ever speculated/intimated/mused or otherwise broached the subject.

Nor IMO was there any reason for anyone to do so or suspect.

booger
11-02-2006, 05:11 PM
What a trip. All I can say is I feel safe now to tell you all I feel like a lesbian trapped inside a man's body. :dom:
You too!!! :bravo:

thank god i am not alone.

Bwana
11-02-2006, 05:21 PM
Other one won't post. I love this guys work. Go to his limited editions link and check it out.

http://www.mangelsen.com/

Indeed. My brother has around 20 of his pieces between his house and office collection. He is a huge fan as well.

Baby Lee
11-02-2006, 05:22 PM
What a trip. All I can say is I feel safe now to tell you all I feel like a 1995 joke trapped inside a 2006 thread. :dom:
FYP - with apologies to NewChief.

;)

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 05:29 PM
FYP - with apologies to NewChief.

;)

You oughtta see my ass, I'm one hot ****ing lesbo dude.

burt
11-02-2006, 05:31 PM
You oughtta see my ass, I'm one hot ****ing lesbo dude. Like New Chief invented that line, give me a break.

Man, I bet that looks good in a Gi.

Baby Lee
11-02-2006, 05:34 PM
Man, I bet that looks good in a Gi.
Don't forget the courtesy of a reach around.

BIG_DADDY
11-02-2006, 05:38 PM
Don't forget the courtesy of a reach around.

See there you go again messing everything up. It's not funny man, I am supposed to be a red hot lipstick lesbian they just put my in the wrong body. I think god is mad at me or something, it's just not fair. :cuss: :mad:

NewChief
11-02-2006, 05:41 PM
FYP - with apologies to NewChief.

;)

Smarmy bastard.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-02-2006, 06:00 PM
It's an honest point of confusion for most people. I'm not saying that I'm completely right, but there was a similar person on another BB that I used to be on. She wanted to be known as she, because she felt that she was a she, not a he. I think she is now a she in fact now as well. She might not have been representative of the entire TG community, but that's what I remember her posting.

Should we both enter into a vitrolic on the social construction of gender, or would that best be saved for another day? (Not being sarcastic in any way)

Coach
11-02-2006, 06:12 PM
Wow @ this thread....

NewChief
11-02-2006, 06:14 PM
Should we both enter into a vitrolic on the social construction of gender, or would that best be saved for another day? (Not being sarcastic in any way)

Don't make me relive those days! The last feminist critique I did was using Laura Mulvey's theory of cinematic "gaze" to examine the directorial decisions Lawrence Kasdan made in his film adaptation of The Accidental Tourist.

Bill Parcells
11-02-2006, 06:17 PM
Wow @ this thread....
:clap:

Baconeater
11-02-2006, 06:30 PM
Wow @ this thread....
Uh...yeah. I probably wouldn't have even opened it but I couldn't help but wonder why it would take 200 posts to answer the thread starter's question. I have also come to the conclusion that I am tragically un-hip as well.

Mr. Kotter
11-02-2006, 07:59 PM
Should we both enter into a vitrolic on the social construction of gender, or would that best be saved for another day? (Not being sarcastic in any way)

If you could make it a civil, rather than virtriolic discussion, I (for one, heh) think it would be fascinating. Seriously. (Not being sarcastic in any way.) :)

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-02-2006, 09:32 PM
If you could make it a civil, rather than virtriolic discussion, I (for one, heh) think it would be fascinating. Seriously. (Not being sarcastic in any way.) :)

Ok.... let's do a Cliff's notes version.

Many feminist and queer theorists believe that sex and gender are not the same thing. Sex is biological and binary, while gender is socially constructed and multiple. They argue that to say people are either male or female is an oversimplification of the matter. Furthermore, there are certain characteristics that our society ascribes to individuals as being either inherently "male" characteristics or "female" characteristics.

One of the more famous books on this subject was Judith Butler's "Gender Trouble" which came out in 1990. Here is a wikified version of her thesis:

The crux of Butler’s argument in Gender Trouble is that the coherence of the categories of sex, gender, and sexuality—the natural-seeming coherence, for example, of masculine gender and heterosexual desire in male bodies—is culturally constructed through the repetition of stylized acts in time.

(Enter Hamas: women cook and clean men kill shit in the woods--this is a gross oversimplification of all such acts, but just one example)

These stylized bodily acts, in their repetition, establish the appearance of an essential, ontological "core" gender. This is the sense in which Butler famously theorizes gender, along with sex and sexuality, as performative.(Enter Hamas: translation: you aren't really masculine or feminine, you are performing masculine and feminine roles that have been socially outlined for you)

The performance of gender, sex, and sexuality, however, is not a voluntary choice for Butler, who locates the construction of the gendered, sexed, desiring subject within what she calls, borrowing from Foucault’s Discipline and Punish, "regulative discourses." These, also called "frameworks of intelligibility" or "disciplinary regimes," decide in advance what possibilities of sex, gender, and sexuality are socially permitted to appear as coherent or "natural." Regulative discourse includes within it disciplinary techniques which, by coercing subjects to perform specific stylized actions, maintain the appearance in those subjects of the "core" gender, sex and sexuality the discourse itself produces.[3]

(Enter Hamas: people who fall outside of this normative system are punished, they are called pillowbiters or given beat downs or any other manner of violent or derogatory things. This manner of self-policing helps reinforce a binary gender system (masculine or feminine, 1 or 0) within our own society)

(Enter Hamas:)
Realize that the crux of this argument is that sex does not = gender. Sex is biological, gender is a social construction which is performed in order to play a social role of masculine or feminine.

Skip Towne
11-02-2006, 09:40 PM
Ok.... let's do a Cliff's notes version.

Many feminist and queer theorists believe that sex and gender are not the same thing. Sex is biological and binary, while gender is socially constructed and multiple. They argue that to say people are either male or female is an oversimplification of the matter. Furthermore, there are certain characteristics that our society ascribes to individuals as being either inherently "male" characteristics or "female" characteristics.

One of the more famous books on this subject was Judith Butler's "Gender Trouble" which came out in 1990. Here is a wikified version of her thesis:

The crux of Butler’s argument in Gender Trouble is that the coherence of the categories of sex, gender, and sexuality—the natural-seeming coherence, for example, of masculine gender and heterosexual desire in male bodies—is culturally constructed through the repetition of stylized acts in time.

(Enter Hamas: women cook and clean men kill shit in the woods--this is a gross oversimplification of all such acts, but just one example)

These stylized bodily acts, in their repetition, establish the appearance of an essential, ontological "core" gender. This is the sense in which Butler famously theorizes gender, along with sex and sexuality, as performative.(Enter Hamas: translation: you aren't really masculine or feminine, you are performing masculine and feminine roles that have been socially outlined for you)

The performance of gender, sex, and sexuality, however, is not a voluntary choice for Butler, who locates the construction of the gendered, sexed, desiring subject within what she calls, borrowing from Foucault’s Discipline and Punish, "regulative discourses." These, also called "frameworks of intelligibility" or "disciplinary regimes," decide in advance what possibilities of sex, gender, and sexuality are socially permitted to appear as coherent or "natural." Regulative discourse includes within it disciplinary techniques which, by coercing subjects to perform specific stylized actions, maintain the appearance in those subjects of the "core" gender, sex and sexuality the discourse itself produces.[3]

(Enter Hamas: people who fall outside of this normative system are punished, they are called pillowbiters or given beat downs or any other manner of violent or derogatory things. This manner of self-policing helps reinforce a binary gender system (masculine or feminine, 1 or 0) within our own society)

(Enter Hamas:)
Realize that the crux of this argument is that sex does not = gender. Sex is biological, gender is a social construction which is performed in order to play a social role of masculine or feminine.
Did anybody read all of that?

ENDelt260
11-02-2006, 09:41 PM
But, aren't those social constructs outgrowths of the in-bred natures of our sexes (females as nurturers, males as hunter-gatherers or whatever)?

ENDelt260
11-02-2006, 09:42 PM
Did anybody read all of that?
Actually, yeah. I think I might smoke a bowl and see if his future posts get more entertaining.

Skip Towne
11-02-2006, 09:43 PM
Actually, yeah. I think I might smoke a bowl and see if his future posts get more entertaining.
:LOL:

BucEyedPea
11-02-2006, 09:43 PM
But, aren't those social constructs outgrowths of the in-bred natures of our sexes (females as nurturers, males as hunter-gatherers or whatever)?

I'd say so. Some prefer an androgenous society though.
I think the differences are fun. Besides division of labor is more efficient.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-02-2006, 09:48 PM
But, aren't those social constructs outgrowths of the in-bred natures of our sexes (females as nurturers, males as hunter-gatherers or whatever)?

What the other side would argue is that such roles also presuppose a heterosexual system where you have a male and a female to divide it up. The biologically stronger one does the hunting and the "other" nurtures the children. What then happens in a system where someone is not heterosexual??

Edit *** Furthermore, there is evidence of several cultures whereby these particular roles were reversed....this also happens in nature****

A deeper investigation down the rabbit hole that shows the cyclical nature of the sex/gender construction:

Judith Butler's thesis:

significant yet sometimes overlooked part of Butler's argument concerns the role of sex in the construction of "natural" or coherent gender and sexuality. Butler explicitly challenges biological accounts of binary sex, reconceiving the sexed body as itself culturally constructed by regulative discourse.[4]

The supposed obviousness of sex as a natural biological fact attests to how deeply its production in discourse is concealed. The sexed body, once established as a “natural” and unquestioned “fact,” is the alibi for constructions of gender and sexuality, unavoidably more cultural in their appearance, which can purport to be the just-as-natural expressions or consequences of a more fundamental sex.

On Butler’s account, it is on the basis of the construction of natural binary sex that binary gender and heterosexuality are constructed as natural too.[5] In this way, Butler claims that without a critique of sex as produced by discourse, the sex/gender distinction as a feminist strategy for contesting constructions of binary asymmetric gender and compulsory heterosexuality will be ineffective.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-02-2006, 09:50 PM
Actually, yeah. I think I might smoke a bowl and see if his future posts get more entertaining.

Damn, dude, I was just answering Kotter's previous post in the most honest way possible. I didn't realize my job was to shuck and jive for you...

ENDelt260
11-02-2006, 09:55 PM
What the other side would argue is that such roles also presuppose a heterosexual system where you have a male and a female to divide it up. The biologically stronger one does the hunting and the "other" nurtures the children. What then happens in a system where someone is not heterosexual??

Edit *** Furthermore, there is evidence of several cultures whereby these particular roles were reversed....this also happens in nature****

A deeper investigation down the rabbit hole that shows the cyclical nature of the sex/gender construction:

Judith Butler's thesis:

significant yet sometimes overlooked part of Butler's argument concerns the role of sex in the construction of "natural" or coherent gender and sexuality. Butler explicitly challenges biological accounts of binary sex, reconceiving the sexed body as itself culturally constructed by regulative discourse.[4]

The supposed obviousness of sex as a natural biological fact attests to how deeply its production in discourse is concealed. The sexed body, once established as a “natural” and unquestioned “fact,” is the alibi for constructions of gender and sexuality, unavoidably more cultural in their appearance, which can purport to be the just-as-natural expressions or consequences of a more fundamental sex.

On Butler’s account, it is on the basis of the construction of natural binary sex that binary gender and heterosexuality are constructed as natural too.[5] In this way, Butler claims that without a critique of sex as produced by discourse, the sex/gender distinction as a feminist strategy for contesting constructions of binary asymmetric gender and compulsory heterosexuality will be ineffective.
I think you might be going down a different path than my mind was. It just seemed to me that the divorcing of gender and sex was somewhat dishonest. It seems clear that there's more to sex than just whether you have an innie or an outie, and some of those things will present as seemingly societal constructs.

I don't have any arguments or points relating to when an outie feels like an innie or anything. Anomalies happen in nature, I guess.

EDIT: I hit the quick quote when your post was really short... so that response is to your first draft post. I haven't read it all yet.

ENDelt260
11-02-2006, 09:56 PM
Damn, dude, I was just answering Kotter's previous post in the most honest way possible. I didn't realize my job was to shuck and jive for you...
Wait... you're getting paid for this? ****, I'm getting screwed.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-02-2006, 09:58 PM
I think you might be going down a different path than my mind was. It just seemed to me that the divorcing of gender and sex was somewhat dishonest. It seems clear that there's more to sex than just whether you have an innie or an outie, and some of those things will present as seemingly societal constructs.

I don't have any arguments or points relating to when an outie feels like an innie or anything. Anomalies happen in nature, I guess.

EDIT: I hit the quick quote when your post was really short... so that response is to your first draft post. I haven't read it all yet.

I'd like to apologize for the dense language of the summaries. It sucks, and reading 200 pages of such theoretical musings is sheer torture :banghead: like watching a Jimmy Raye offense in a 2 minute drill.

ENDelt260
11-02-2006, 09:59 PM
I'd like to apologize for the dense language of the summaries. It sucks, and reading 200 pages of such theoretical musings is sheer torture :banghead: like watching a Jimmy Raye offense in a 2 minute drill.

Is that a nice way of saying I completely missed the point?

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-02-2006, 10:04 PM
Is that a nice way of saying I completely missed the point?

No, it's a nice way of saying I empathize with you having to dissect this. I know, I've done it, it's not fun.

ENDelt260
11-02-2006, 10:05 PM
No, it's a nice way of saying I empathize with you having to dissect this. I know, I've done it, it's not fun.
Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else. Aren't you an English major? Did you get into human sexuality stuff just as an elective cause you had a passing interest? Or, am I remembering wrong and you're in some manner of psychology field?

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-02-2006, 10:09 PM
Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else. Aren't you an English major? Did you get into human sexuality stuff just as an elective cause you had a passing interest? Or, am I remembering wrong and you're in some manner of psychology field?

No, you're right. I was an English major in undergrad, and I'm getting my Masters in English as we speak.

Skip Towne
11-02-2006, 10:16 PM
Damn, dude, I was just answering Kotter's previous post in the most honest way possible. I didn't realize my job was to shuck and jive for you...
You can shuck and jive if you want. Just try to be a little........no.....a lot more concise.

Raiderhader
11-02-2006, 10:19 PM
The most surprising thing in this thread - Delt is delving into deep thought.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-02-2006, 10:25 PM
You can shuck and jive if you want. Just try to be a little........no.....a lot more concise.

The sad thing is that was the concise version.

ENDelt260
11-02-2006, 10:37 PM
The most surprising thing in this thread - Delt is delving into deep thought.
It happens.

Ultra Peanut
11-03-2006, 03:33 AM
No longer lollin' (they hatin', BL); now in a state of amazement after this latest revelation.

Anyways, to clarify a few points now that I'm not pressed for time:

1) "She" is preferable, "he" is discouraged, and as NewChief said, "he/she" is exceptionally distasteful.

2) I haven't started hormones yet, much less had surgery. This stuff takes a lot of time, but thankfully, I've moved past the "Oh God, it'll never happen," depression into the, "I'm doing this, and I'm moving in right direction," state of mind. This prevents the whole semi-suicidal thing from popping up. Losing lots of weight definitely helped me get closer, which helps now psychologically and will help in the relatively near future physically.

I'm now going to school, interacting with people a lot more, and generally having a pretty decent day-to-day life even with this burden. I may get occasionally down about it, but it's not as bad now that I can start to at least see the tunnel (and be fairly confident there's a lot at the other end). Things are immeasurably better now in just about every way than they were when I started that thread.

3) Baseball fans are still not allowed to criticize soccer.

4) I turned 15 a couple of weeks after I started posting on the Planet, which was just over 6 years ago. I never posted on the Star BB.

5) To be fair, it's not too terribly pop-culture code most of the time, making it even more indecipherable to all but a select few.

Fairplay
11-03-2006, 06:08 AM
Ok.... let's do a Cliff's notes version.

Many feminist and queer theorists believe that sex and gender are not the same thing. Sex is biological and binary, while gender is socially constructed and multiple. They argue that to say people are either male or female is an oversimplification of the matter. Furthermore, there are certain characteristics that our society ascribes to individuals as being either inherently "male" characteristics or "female" characteristics.

One of the more famous books on this subject was Judith Butler's "Gender Trouble" which came out in 1990. Here is a wikified version of her thesis:

The crux of Butler’s argument in Gender Trouble is that the coherence of the categories of sex, gender, and sexuality—the natural-seeming coherence, for example, of masculine gender and heterosexual desire in male bodies—is culturally constructed through the repetition of stylized acts in time.

(Enter Hamas: women cook and clean men kill shit in the woods--this is a gross oversimplification of all such acts, but just one example)

These stylized bodily acts, in their repetition, establish the appearance of an essential, ontological "core" gender. This is the sense in which Butler famously theorizes gender, along with sex and sexuality, as performative.(Enter Hamas: translation: you aren't really masculine or feminine, you are performing masculine and feminine roles that have been socially outlined for you)

The performance of gender, sex, and sexuality, however, is not a voluntary choice for Butler, who locates the construction of the gendered, sexed, desiring subject within what she calls, borrowing from Foucault’s Discipline and Punish, "regulative discourses." These, also called "frameworks of intelligibility" or "disciplinary regimes," decide in advance what possibilities of sex, gender, and sexuality are socially permitted to appear as coherent or "natural." Regulative discourse includes within it disciplinary techniques which, by coercing subjects to perform specific stylized actions, maintain the appearance in those subjects of the "core" gender, sex and sexuality the discourse itself produces.[3]

(Enter Hamas: people who fall outside of this normative system are punished, they are called pillowbiters or given beat downs or any other manner of violent or derogatory things. This manner of self-policing helps reinforce a binary gender system (masculine or feminine, 1 or 0) within our own society)

(Enter Hamas:)
Realize that the crux of this argument is that sex does not = gender. Sex is biological, gender is a social construction which is performed in order to play a social role of masculine or feminine.




:ZZZ:

Archie F. Swin
11-03-2006, 07:09 AM
No longer lollin' (they hatin', BL); now in a state of amazement after this latest revelation.

Anyways, to clarify a few points now that I'm not pressed for time:

I haven't started hormones yet, much less had surgery. This stuff takes a lot of time, but thankfully, I've moved past the "Oh God, it'll never happen," depression into the, "I'm doing this, and I'm moving in right direction," state of mind. This prevents the whole semi-suicidal thing from popping up. Losing lots of weight definitely helped me get closer, which helps now psychologically and will help in the relatively near future physically.



do you have family support?