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L.A. Chieffan
11-02-2006, 10:14 PM
Didn't see anything on his retirement on here, one of the more underrated players in the NFL IMO. But do you guys think he's HOF material?



+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1995 nwe | 16 | 368 1487 4.0 14 | 30 261 8.7 1 |
| 1996 nwe | 16 | 316 1152 3.6 14 | 46 333 7.2 3 |
| 1997 nwe | 13 | 274 1160 4.2 4 | 41 296 7.2 1 |
| 1998 nyj | 15 | 369 1287 3.5 8 | 43 365 8.5 1 |
| 1999 nyj | 16 | 367 1464 4.0 5 | 45 259 5.8 0 |
| 2000 nyj | 16 | 316 1204 3.8 9 | 70 508 7.3 2 |
| 2001 nyj | 16 | 333 1513 4.5 10 | 53 320 6.0 0 |
| 2002 nyj | 16 | 261 1094 4.2 7 | 49 362 7.4 0 |
| 2003 nyj | 16 | 323 1308 4.0 2 | 42 262 6.2 0 |
| 2004 nyj | 16 | 371 1697 4.6 12 | 41 245 6.0 2 |
| 2005 nyj | 12 | 220 735 3.3 5 | 24 118 4.9 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 168 | 3518 14101 4.0 90 | 484 3329 6.9 10 |


Among the league's all-time top 50
Rushes: 3
Rushing yards: 4
Rushing TDs: 11t
Yards from scrimmage: 7
Rush/Receive TDs: 18t

Brock
11-02-2006, 10:15 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that he is.

Halfcan
11-02-2006, 10:20 PM
Yep-great stats.

Thig Lyfe
11-02-2006, 10:33 PM
Yes without hesitation.

Sure-Oz
11-02-2006, 10:34 PM
Easily....no question.

Dunit35
11-02-2006, 10:35 PM
No question....he'll get in.

Baconeater
11-02-2006, 10:36 PM
WTF? Bill Parcells now has his own poll option? He's a n00b for crying out loud.

Demonpenz
11-02-2006, 11:02 PM
should be first ballot

Ebolapox
11-02-2006, 11:14 PM
it depends--and I voted yes...

if you're going on his 'greatness' factor, I never considered him GREAT... there are eight running backs from his era that I can think of off the top of my head who were, on their best days, better than curtis martin on his best day... emmitt smith, barry sanders, marshall faulk, edgerrin james, priest holmes, terrell davis, eddie george, ladanian tomlinson... a few of those are arguable, but I'd take any of those guys on their best days over martin... martin was the kind of guy who basically, oversimplifying the numbers, gave you 85-90 yards a week every week for eleven years... to me, that's not great... that's stat compiling...

part of me thinks the hall of fame is reserved for GREATNESS... guys like gale sayers get in because they were better than anyone who'd ever been in their short career, although I don't think guys like him, terrell davis, or priest holmes deserve the hall of fame... if you put curtis martin in, you have to put art monk in due to his stats... and yes, curtis martin gets in because of stats, not greatness... he was consistantly good, but never consistantly great... and to me, that kind of puts a mark against the hall of fame...

another gripe of mine is that guys like otis taylor aren't in (and might never be), and derrick thomas isn't in--both of those guys either revolutionized their position (taylor) or were one of, if not THE most (depending on the week) feared defensive player in all of football while they were playing (thomas)...

(/rant over)

L.A. Chieffan
11-02-2006, 11:29 PM
it depends--and I voted yes...

if you're going on his 'greatness' factor, I never considered him GREAT... there are eight running backs from his era that I can think of off the top of my head who were, on their best days, better than curtis martin on his best day... emmitt smith, barry sanders, marshall faulk, edgerrin james, priest holmes, terrell davis, eddie george, ladanian tomlinson... a few of those are arguable, but I'd take any of those guys on their best days over martin... martin was the kind of guy who basically, oversimplifying the numbers, gave you 85-90 yards a week every week for eleven years... to me, that's not great... that's stat compiling...

part of me thinks the hall of fame is reserved for GREATNESS... guys like gale sayers get in because they were better than anyone who'd ever been in their short career, although I don't think guys like him, terrell davis, or priest holmes deserve the hall of fame... if you put curtis martin in, you have to put art monk in due to his stats... and yes, curtis martin gets in because of stats, not greatness... he was consistantly good, but never consistantly great... and to me, that kind of puts a mark against the hall of fame...

another gripe of mine is that guys like otis taylor aren't in (and might never be), and derrick thomas isn't in--both of those guys either revolutionized their position (taylor) or were one of, if not THE most (depending on the week) feared defensive player in all of football while they were playing (thomas)...

(/rant over)
that's pretty much why I posted the poll in the first place, thanks H5N1.
I always felt he was a very GOOD player, but his name never really came up in the discussion when talking about the best backs in the past 10 years or so.
What amazed me was he's only 1,100 yards behind Barry Sanders, yet he only played in 1 more full season. That right there was enough to convince me.

Fruit Ninja
11-02-2006, 11:37 PM
yep, easy.

Cochise
11-02-2006, 11:44 PM
No brainer.

ChiefFan31
11-03-2006, 03:32 AM
Yes, he is the 4th all time leading rusher. That stat alone is more than good enough.

Ultra Peanut
11-03-2006, 03:43 AM
Amazing consistency and durability. He definitely deserves it.

Easy 6
11-03-2006, 05:54 AM
The right numbers + super classy (matters to me anyway) = no doubts.

StcChief
11-03-2006, 05:57 AM
First Ballot.... No Super Bowl. appearance.
Great stats.

Oh... he played on a NY team he's in for sure.

Bill Parcells
11-03-2006, 06:02 AM
Didn't see anything on his retirement on here, one of the more underrated players in the NFL IMO. But do you guys think he's HOF material?
Well done!!!!Of course he deserves to be in the HOF...his durability and work ethic speaks for itself..
A great move by my namesake bringing him to the Jets for a 1st and 3rd round pick..Kevin Faulk and somebody else..great trade!!
WTF? Bill Parcells now has his own poll option? He's a n00b for crying out loud.
Some nOOb's are just special ;)

Deberg_1990
11-03-2006, 06:29 AM
No Super Bowl. appearance.



I think he was on the 96 Pats Super Bowl team??

ChiefsFan4Life
11-03-2006, 06:40 AM
He'll make it in FOR SURE

The only question is whether it is first ballot or not

OnTheWarpath58
11-03-2006, 06:42 AM
I think he was on the 96 Pats Super Bowl team??

Correct.....

He played for NE in 1995, 96 and 97.


EDIT: And IMO, he's a first ballot lock.......

dirk digler
11-03-2006, 07:03 AM
Yes no doubt about it.

Did he officially retire because I know the Jets just placed him on IR the other day?

Mr. Kotter
11-03-2006, 07:26 AM
Absolutely.

Too bad his talents were wasted with the Jets. :D

cdcox
11-03-2006, 07:29 AM
10 times over 1000 yards
5 time pro-bowler
4th all time in rushing yards

Against is 4.0 ypc career average, played in one SB and lost.

I think he's clearly in, but maybe not first ballot, depending on who else is in his class.

dirk digler
11-03-2006, 07:37 AM
Curtis Martin hasn't retired yet and hopefully he will be able to come back next season.


http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYJ/9770113

Curtis Martin 's season ended because of a lingering knee injury, and the New York Jets' star running back isn't sure if he'll ever play again.

"I'm officially not playing this year," Martin said. "Retirement -- that may be the inevitable result. I just haven't gotten there yet."
NFL Network video
Curtis Martin

The Jets placed the 33-year-old Martin on the reserved physically-unable-to perform list with a bone-on-bone condition in his right knee, ending his season before it ever got started and throwing his career in doubt.

"I think this is as good as my knee gets, where it is right now," Martin said.

He's not sure when -- or if -- he'll get back on the field, but said he isn't even thinking about that at this point.

"I don't know if it's even possible," Martin said, keeping his composure throughout the nearly half-hour news conference. "It hasn't been possible up to this point, so I'm not looking forward to saying I'll definitely be back next year. It's a long stretch, I'll put it that way. And that's the most honest answer I can give you."

Martin spoke with coach Eric Mangini on Tuesday night, and the NFL's No. 4 career rusher said he didn't think he'd be ready to practice next week -- the team's deadline for a decision on his availability this season.

"I sat in Eric's office and I said, 'Eric, you know what? I just need one last conversation with the doctors.' I said, I even know. I know what they're going to say and I know what the outcome is, but for some reason I just wanted that last conversation."

Martin, who said he's in game shape and at his playing weight, never got that final conversation, instead talking with general manager Mike Tannenbaum and deciding Wednesday was the day to end months of speculation.

He had one last request: "I had somebody actually ask Mike, 'When we turn in the papers for me that say I can't play anymore, I want to push the button.'"

Mangini said Martin will still attend meetings and work with the team.

"I think his heart was saying one thing and, unfortunately, the injury was saying something else," Mangini said.

Martin said he injured the knee in Week 2 of 2005 when he took a hit from Miami's Zach Thomas and aggravated it two games later against Baltimore. Martin said the knee became a "bone-on-bone" situation when the damaged cartilage was removed during surgery in December.

"This is something beyond my threshold of pain," said Martin, who often played through injuries throughout his first 11 seasons.

Martin said doctors gave him a very clear indication of the severity of this injury.

"If I don't play, they're saying I have a chance to have a normal life," Martin said. "But if I do play, I can jeopardize that."

Martin said he can run fine, but it's making the cuts and turns that helped make him a star that worries him.

"I'm an instinctive guy, I'm an instinctive runner, and once I get out there, just like any other time that I've been in pain, the pain is not going to matter," he said. "But what I do instinctively, I'm equipped with the information to know that's probably going to jeopardize my future as a human being."

Mangini did not rule out Martin playing again next season. When asked if he would be willing to go through a similar situation next year with uncertainty surrounding Martin's availability, Mangini said, "For Curtis Martin, yes."

Martin, who has rushed for 14,101 yards, last year played in 12 games before ending his year. He underwent surgery in December, but was slow to recover. He was placed on the physically-unable-to-perform list before training camp so he could rehabilitate the knee.

The five-time Pro Bowl player was eligible to come off the PUP list Oct. 16, but the team announced he'd remain on it until after the game at Cleveland last Sunday.

On Monday, Mangini said he spoke with Martin, Tannenbaum and the Jets' medical staff last week. They chose to hold off until next week on whether Martin would rejoin the team and practice.

Mangini reiterated that, but said things changed after talking with Martin on Tuesday night.

"I usually deal with things the way they are now, and with the information that I know about my future, it doesn't look like it's too bright as far as me having a further career," Martin said. "And if that happens, great."

Rain Man
11-03-2006, 07:41 AM
I think he'll get in, but I don't think he deserves it.

I have nothing against Curtis Martin, and he seems to have been a classy and reliable NFL player. However, his type of career is the one that bugs me relative to the Hall of Fame. I think the Hall of Fame should be reserved for guys who dominated their field, who stood out head and shoulders above their competition, who carried teams on their backs and made other teams adjust their game plans.

Martin had none of those qualities beyond a modest degree. Look at his career rushing average - it's average. He only had two seasons in his career where he beat 4.2 yards per carry. How many times did we, as opponents, say, "Curtis Martin scares me to death." We said that about Marino, about Montana, about Barry Sanders. When he was a Raider, I hated Marcus Allen because I knew he was going to push us around. Back in the 80s, receivers like John Jefferson and James Lofton were scary. Kenny Easley made me fear for the lives of Chiefs receivers. Those are the types of players who, with of course some degree of longevity, deserve to enter the Hall of Fame, not a guy who was average, or even moderately above average, for a long time.

Martin will get in without a doubt. But he's not a Hall of Famer in my book.

Mr. Kotter
11-03-2006, 07:43 AM
I think he'll get in, but I don't think he deserves it.

I have nothing against Curtis Martin, and he seems to have been a classy and reliable NFL player. However, his type of career is the one that bugs me relative to the Hall of Fame. I think the Hall of Fame should be reserved for guys who dominated their field, who stood out head and shoulders above their competition, who carried teams on their backs and made other teams adjust their game plans.

Martin had none of those qualities beyond a modest degree. Look at his career rushing average - it's average. He only had two seasons in his career where he beat 4.2 yards per carry. How many times did we, as opponents, say, "Curtis Martin scares me to death." We said that about Marino, about Montana, about Barry Sanders. When he was a Raider, I hated Marcus Allen because I knew he was going to push us around. Back in the 80s, receivers like John Jefferson and James Lofton were scary. Kenny Easley made me fear for the lives of Chiefs receivers. Those are the types of players who, with of course some degree of longevity, deserve to enter the Hall of Fame, not a guy who was average, or even moderately above average, for a long time.

Martin will get in without a doubt. But he's not a Hall of Famer in my book.
Longevity and reliability as a RB, for 10 yrs in the NFL....count for a lot IMO.

boogblaster
11-03-2006, 07:44 AM
Class..Durable..top 5..NY media..he's in.......

sedated
11-03-2006, 07:45 AM
Definitely, CMartin is in.

But I saw Tiki Baraber's agent say he was a HOFer.

Tiki in the Hall?

Brock
11-03-2006, 07:49 AM
Definitely, CMartin is in.

But I saw Tiki Baraber's agent say he was a HOFer.

Tiki in the Hall?

No way. His numbers don't even approach Martin's.

Simplex3
11-03-2006, 07:53 AM
If there's even discussion of Terrel Davis getting in then Martin is a shoe-in. Of course so is Okoye. Davis was a flash in the pan with a couple of good seasons, just like Okoye. His numbers were just a little more freakish.

Chiefnj
11-03-2006, 08:06 AM
Martin - Yes.

Barber - No way.

In fact, off the top of my head I can't think of any HB's that would make the HOF, other than Martin, if they retired today. Heck, Corey Dillon probably has the best career numbers after Martin.

Brock
11-03-2006, 08:07 AM
Martin - Yes.

Barber - No way.

In fact, off the top of my head I can't think of any HB's that would make the HOF, other than Martin, if they retired today. Heck, Corey Dillon probably has the best career numbers after Martin.

There's definitely going to be a lull after Martin. That probably helps Terrell Davis.

Simplex3
11-03-2006, 08:10 AM
There's definitely going to be a lull after Martin. That probably helps Terrell Davis.
If Davis makes it in they'll have to create a second bust for him after I melt the first one down and use the metal to create a bust for one of the older guys that has been shafted year after year. They should use lulls to take guys they've been skipping over for no reason, not to take in guys who shouldn't be there in the first place.

Rain Man
11-03-2006, 08:15 AM
The top active rushers at the BEGINNING of the 2006 season were:

Curtis Martin - 14,101
Jerome Bettis (retired) - 13,662
Marshall Faulk - 12,279
Corey Dillon - 10,429
Edgerrin James - 9,226
Tiki Barber - 8,787
Fred Taylor - 8,367
Warrick Dunn - 8,321
Priest Holmes - 8,035
Stephen Davis - 7,875
Shaun Alexander - 7,817
Ahman Green - 7,432
LaDainian Tomlinson - 7,361

Demonpenz
11-03-2006, 08:23 AM
maybe there should be a hall of scary

Chiefnj
11-03-2006, 08:37 AM
I forgot about Faulk. I thought he retired. I guess he will when he can't come back from knee surgery.

Rain Man
11-03-2006, 08:40 AM
To be honest, I have no idea if Faulk is retired or active now.

OnTheWarpath58
11-03-2006, 08:47 AM
To be honest, I have no idea if Faulk is retired or active now.

He hasn't retired.

He claims he'd like to come back next year once his knee is healed.

Short Leash Hootie
11-03-2006, 09:38 AM
is this really a thread?

Did you make a thread asking whether or not Dan Marino deserved the hall of fame when he retired too?

Brock
11-03-2006, 09:39 AM
is this really a thread?

Did you make a thread asking whether or not Dan Marino deserved the hall of fame when he retired too?

And yet, there are 5 inexplicable "No" votes.

Rain Man
11-03-2006, 09:45 AM
I voted no, but I have absolutely no doubt that he'll go in, while six-time pro bowler Deron Cherry doesn't even get nominated.

carlos3652
11-03-2006, 10:39 AM
Bill replaces Gaz as a poll option? what have we done?

carlos3652
11-03-2006, 10:40 AM
fn noobs..../skip

L.A. Chieffan
11-03-2006, 12:26 PM
is this really a thread?

Did you make a thread asking whether or not Dan Marino deserved the hall of fame when he retired too?
No, but I would have. I hate that isotoner wearing ballsucker.

L.A. Chieffan
11-03-2006, 12:27 PM
is this really a thread?

Did you make a thread asking whether or not Dan Marino deserved the hall of fame when he retired too?
Oh and BTW is 51 yea and 6 nea, so I guess more than 10 percent of the planet says FOCK OFF MARTIN!

Inspector
11-03-2006, 12:51 PM
Bill Bixby was at his finest in "My Favorite Martin".

Now that was a classic. Hall of famer, no doubt.

Garcia Bronco
11-03-2006, 12:52 PM
but no Super Bowls....He's a HOFer I guess...but not first ballot

Brock
11-03-2006, 12:53 PM
but no Super Bowls....He's a HOFer I guess...but not first ballot

super bowls have nothing to do with it.

buddha
11-03-2006, 03:56 PM
If he isn't, I'd sure like to know why not? He was productive and durable for most of his career.