PDA

View Full Version : KU: Giles out for semester


Mr. Laz
11-03-2006, 06:11 PM
but apparently not gone for good ........... yet.


according to "38 sport spot" tv show.

Ari Chi3fs
11-03-2006, 07:06 PM
KU is nothing but thugs and cheaters. [/haters]

Skip Towne
11-03-2006, 07:32 PM
WSU is great. KU sucks [ /Chiefaroo]

Ari Chi3fs
11-03-2006, 07:52 PM
KU is great. KState is Great. WSU is great. [/ SaulBadGuy]

Lzen
11-03-2006, 07:57 PM
The Capital-Journal

LAWRENCE -- University of Kansas junior basketball center C.J. Giles will resume practicing with the team today, Head Coach Bill Self said Friday. Giles, however, will not be permitted to play in any games this semester.

"We have evaluated C.J.'s progress regarding his various responsibilities," Self said, "and will continue to do so. He will be allowed to practice with the team, but he will not play in a game this semester. This penalty is appropriate for the lack of responsibility he has shown to his coaches, teammates and the Kansas basketball family.

"In the meantime, we will continue to monitor his progress. I will not comment further on C.J.'s status until after the first semester."

"I apologize to my coaches and teammates for my actions," Giles said. "I understand why I have been suspended. I know I have to improve myself as a person - for my own good and for the good of the team."

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/110306/bre_giles.shtml

Cochise
11-03-2006, 07:59 PM
He's well on his way to being the next Shawn Kemp :p

ChiefaRoo
11-03-2006, 08:07 PM
KU is nothing but thugs and cheaters. [/haters]

You forgot deadbeat dad :)

Skip Towne
11-03-2006, 08:11 PM
You forgot deadbeat dad :)
You won't have any problem with folks cracking on WSU players. Nobody knows who they are.

ChiefaRoo
11-03-2006, 08:17 PM
That's because most KU fans are so self-centered they don't know what is going on outside of Allen Field House.

Skip Towne
11-03-2006, 08:34 PM
That's because most KU fans are so self-centered they don't know what is going on outside of Allen Field House.
Either that or they don't care for minor league sports.

Pitt Gorilla
11-03-2006, 08:38 PM
Either that or they don't care for minor league sports.Bradley.

DJJasonp
11-03-2006, 08:43 PM
Bradley.

There's a reason why teams rush the floor when they beat KU.....because it's their school's greatest achievement....

For KU...it's just another win towards another year being placed up on the conference champions or ncaa champions banners.

Which position would you rather be in???

Skip Towne
11-03-2006, 08:49 PM
The Valley had a good year.........for them. But they are still minor league until they sustain it for a few years. No "One Year Wonders" allowed.

Braincase
11-04-2006, 06:22 AM
The Valley had a good year.........for them. But they are still minor league until they sustain it for a few years. No "One Year Wonders" allowed.

I don't know. With the right coaching and consistent recruiting, and a chance to consistently have 4th and 5th year seniors, a few of those Valley teams could make a Gonzaga-esque dent in the NCAA's year after year.

But... I don't see WSU, Bradley, Creighton or another Valley school back to the Final Four for a few years.

Braincase
11-04-2006, 06:23 AM
That's because most KU fans are so self-centered they don't know what is going on outside of Allen Field House.

Hot Coeds.

Saulbadguy
11-04-2006, 06:31 AM
KU is great. KState is Great. WSU is great. [/ SaulBadGuy]
Missouri SUCKS. Oklahoma SUCKS. Nebraska SUCKS.

Cochise
11-04-2006, 07:40 AM
Bradley.

You forgot Bucknell.

Lzen
11-04-2006, 08:18 AM
Missouri SUCKS. Oklahoma SUCKS. Nebraska SUCKS.

The Big 12 is going to look different this year. That is, compared to just a few years ago.

Cochise
11-04-2006, 08:49 AM
The Big 12 is going to look different this year. That is, compared to just a few years ago.

I'm not expecting great things out of Missouri by any means, but I don't really know what to expect. Nowhere to go but up, for sure.

CoMoChief
11-04-2006, 09:42 AM
KU is the Mecca of college basketball.

Saulbadguy
11-04-2006, 09:50 AM
KU is the Mecca of college basketball.
ROFL

CoMoChief
11-04-2006, 10:03 AM
It will be a battle between Shannon Collins and Kevin Durant for Big12 Frosh of Year.

Brandon Rush wins Big12 player of the year.

Bill Self wins Big12 coach of the year.

3 KU starters will be on the All Big12 first team (Rush, Chalmers, Wright).

KU runs wild thru the Big12, going undefeated and winning the conference and conference tourney.

KU also beats Florida.

KU will be ranked #1 all season

KU gets a #1 seed in the tourney and wins the NCAA Championship.

Oh yeah KU goes undefeated all season for the first time since Knight's Hoosiers.

ChiefsFanatic
11-04-2006, 10:27 AM
It will be a battle between Shannon Collins and Kevin Durant for Big12 Frosh of Year.

Brandon Rush wins Big12 player of the year.

Bill Self wins Big12 coach of the year.

3 KU starters will be on the All Big12 first team (Rush, Chalmers, Wright).

KU runs wild thru the Big12, going undefeated and winning the conference and conference tourney.

KU also beats Florida.

KU will be ranked #1 all season

KU gets a #1 seed in the tourney and wins the NCAA Championship.

Oh yeah KU goes undefeated all season for the first time since Knight's Hoosiers.

I am a KU fan, but some of that stuff is nonsense. And you are wrong, Darrell Arthur will be Freshman of the Year.

Mr. Laz
11-04-2006, 11:36 AM
I am a KU fan, but some of that stuff is nonsense. And you are wrong, Darrell Arthur will be Freshman of the Year.
i believe GoMoChief is trying some reverse mojo stuff.

Skip Towne
11-04-2006, 11:40 AM
It will be a battle between Shannon Collins and Kevin Durant for Big12 Frosh of Year.

Brandon Rush wins Big12 player of the year.

Bill Self wins Big12 coach of the year.

3 KU starters will be on the All Big12 first team (Rush, Chalmers, Wright).

KU runs wild thru the Big12, going undefeated and winning the conference and conference tourney.

KU also beats Florida.

KU will be ranked #1 all season

KU gets a #1 seed in the tourney and wins the NCAA Championship.

Oh yeah KU goes undefeated all season for the first time since Knight's Hoosiers.
Agree completely. Send us the trophy and cancel the season.

ChiefsFanatic
11-04-2006, 11:44 AM
i believe GoMoChief is trying some reverse mojo stuff.

Yeah, I got that. Unfortunately for him, he was probably about %90 correct.

shammus
11-04-2006, 06:44 PM
I suppose Giles will be back around the same time Kaun is. The semester only lasts another 5-6 weeks (including finals) and that's about the same point they're expecting Sasha to return. The banishment could probably have been a lot worse for Giles. At this rate, he'll get to be involved in a few December games and then the entire 2007 portion of the season as well.

WilliamTheIrish
11-04-2006, 07:19 PM
The Capital-Journal

LAWRENCE -- University of Kansas junior basketball center C.J. Giles will resume practicing with the team today, Head Coach Bill Self said Friday. Giles, however, will not be permitted to play in any games this semester.

"We have evaluated C.J.'s progress regarding his various responsibilities," Self said, "and will continue to do so. He will be allowed to practice with the team, but he will not play in a game this semester. This penalty is appropriate for the lack of responsibility he has shown to his coaches, teammates and the Kansas basketball family.

"In the meantime, we will continue to monitor his progress. I will not comment further on C.J.'s status until after the first semester."

"I apologize to my coaches and teammates for my actions," Giles said. "I understand why I have been suspended. I know I have to improve myself as a person - for my own good and for the good of the team."

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/110306/bre_giles.shtml


Wow! Self must be a nice guy. Why CJ Giles, in just two weeks, has met all his obligations. Wonder who loaned him the 4k for child support?

I mean two weeks. That's integrity, baby.

ChiefaRoo
11-04-2006, 08:16 PM
Wow! Self must be a nice guy. Why CJ Giles, in just two weeks, has met all his obligations. Wonder who loaned him the 4k for child support?

I mean two weeks. That's integrity, baby.


I gave him the money. It's ok, he said he'd shave points to pay me back. Rock Chalk!

DJay23
11-05-2006, 12:58 AM
Shannon Collins

Or Sherron Collins...

My early take on the KU season:

KU will get creamed by Florida

KU will beat BC at home

KU wins Big XII title outright.

KU loses Big XII tourney to A&M

KU finishes conference season with 3 losses

KU finishes around #5 in the polls (give or take 2 spots)

Brandon Rush doesn't live up to the hype this year.

Darrell Arthur does live up to the hype.

Russell Robinson loses his starting job to Sherron Collins before the end of the year.

Another KU player will transfer or be dismissed from the team before the end of the year.

KU earns a #2 seed in a favorable region

KU gets out of the first round!!!!!!!!!

KU makes it as far as the Elite 8.

Saulbadguy
11-07-2006, 11:08 AM
www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/nov/07/giles_cited_battery/?breaking

Kansas University basketball forward C.J. Giles was cited by police for battering a female KU student Monday night, days after he was reinstated to the team following a suspension for personal problems.

schneider221
11-07-2006, 11:21 AM
he is gone...... he seriously needs to do something to turn his life around.

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 11:51 AM
www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/nov/07/giles_cited_battery/?breaking

Kansas University basketball forward C.J. Giles was cited by police for battering a female KU student Monday night, days after he was reinstated to the team following a suspension for personal problems.


Rock Chalk, win at any cost. Oh, well. Just flush him and bring in the next Mickey D All-American.

ImuMamalukabubuday
11-07-2006, 12:04 PM
Rock Chalk, win at any cost. Oh, well. Just flush him and bring in the next Mickey D All-American.

What the hell would you want them to do? If the report is accurate, KU will absolutely have to dismiss Giles for good. The team and the university gave him a 2nd chance, showing that they care about the players, but this would be unexcusable for Giles at this point. Do you honestly think that they are flushing Giles down the toilet? He's flushed himself at this point...and no doubt, KU will probably replace him with a McDonald's All-American. When you have one of the best recruiters in the country, a venue like Allen Fieldhouse, and the national exposure of the KU program, the McDonald's AA's line up at the door. It's a positive...don't see how you can spin their recruiting as a negative, but you will and will continue to prove to the entire board your utter ignorance and blatant disregard of the facts.

CoMoChief
11-07-2006, 12:07 PM
www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/nov/07/giles_cited_battery/?breaking

Kansas University basketball forward C.J. Giles was cited by police for battering a female KU student Monday night, days after he was reinstated to the team following a suspension for personal problems.


Goodbye Giles, I was rooting for ya to come back in Jan but now you have just ****ed yourself over. Take a hike bucko.

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 12:52 PM
What the hell would you want them to do? If the report is accurate, KU will absolutely have to dismiss Giles for good. The team and the university gave him a 2nd chance, showing that they care about the players, but this would be unexcusable for Giles at this point. Do you honestly think that they are flushing Giles down the toilet? He's flushed himself at this point...and no doubt, KU will probably replace him with a McDonald's All-American. When you have one of the best recruiters in the country, a venue like Allen Fieldhouse, and the national exposure of the KU program, the McDonald's AA's line up at the door. It's a positive...don't see how you can spin their recruiting as a negative, but you will and will continue to prove to the entire board your utter ignorance and blatant disregard of the facts.

OK, one more time for the slow guy. Self is warehousing these AA's. Your right they line up to play at KU (to a degree) but he just takes them without looking at their character. Giddens, that whiney little biatch from Washington and now Giles. I suspect Self doesn't give a crap about their character just their talent ... that's my point! Your program is beginning to get dragged through the mud because your players are dragging 20 year old girls around Jayhawk towers. It's a disgrace.

sedated
11-07-2006, 12:53 PM
Giddens, that winey little biatch from Washington and now Giles. I suspect Self doesn't give a crap about their character just their talent ... that's my point! Your program is beginning to get dragged through the mud because your players are dragging 20 year old girls around Jayhawk towers. It's a disgrace.

jesus h f*cking christ.

for the last time GIDDENS WAS ROY'S RECRUIT!!!

Saulbadguy
11-07-2006, 12:54 PM
MCD AA's = overrated

Saulbadguy
11-07-2006, 12:55 PM
jesus h f*cking christ.

for the last time GIDDENS WAS ROY'S RECRUIT!!!
He was offered by Bill Self too.

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 12:56 PM
jesus h f*cking christ.

for the last time GIDDENS WAS ROY'S RECRUIT!!!


Listen Lester Earl was a complete mess too but Roy controlled him. Roy was a great coach for KU and kept the program squeaky clean (at least on the outside) and he did that by controlling his players. Self, can't or won't do that and now the scandals just keep a comin'

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 12:59 PM
MCD AA's = overrated

I agree Saul. I'd rather have a Red Chip player with character who stays for at least three but preferably four years and graduates. I wouldn't recruit the player that says he's doing a year in college and then is taking off. Memphis had that problem a couple years ago with that kid (can't remember his name) that Calipari brought in, WSU had the same problem with Maurice Evans and KU had it with Giles and others. They're more trouble than they're worth.

Saulbadguy
11-07-2006, 01:01 PM
I agree Saul. I'd rather have a Red Chip player with character who stays for at least three but preferably four years and graduates. I wouldn't recruit the player that says he's doing a year in college and then is taking off. Memphis had that problem a couple years ago with that kid (can't remember his name) that Calipari brought in, WSU had the same problem with Maurice Evans and KU had it with Giles and others. They're more trouble than they're worth.
Don't get me wrong, I like Blue Chip athletes. We are getting a couple next season. However, they aren't Mickey D AA's. They are better than that.

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 01:08 PM
Don't get me wrong, I like Blue Chip athletes. We are getting a couple next season. However, they aren't Mickey D AA's. They are better than that.

IMO a coach should recruit the best talent possible assuming that talent is going to be part of making a group of guys a "team" and stays in the program for continuity purposes. If a guy with monster talent comes in a says publicly he's only staying one or two years and then acts like the rest of the players ought to kiss his arse then the team never forms and they lose. Personally, I think this has been KU's biggest problem, not enough team cohesion. I mean look how they played against Arizona last year early... it was a joke. They did improve but in the the end the talent (young as it was) got it's butt kicked by a better "team".

Saulbadguy
11-07-2006, 01:10 PM
IMO a coach should recruit the best talent possible assuming that talent is going to be part of making a group of guys a "team" and stays in the program for continuity purposes. If a guy with monster talent comes in a says publicly he's only staying one or two years and then acts like the rest of the players ought to kiss his arse then the team never forms and they lose. Personally, I think this has been KU's biggest problem, not enough team cohesion. I mean looked how they played against Arizona last year early... it was a joke. They did improve but in the the end the talent (young as it was) got it's butt kicked by a better "team".
I've said it once and I'll say it again, i'll take the likes of OJ Mayo for 1 year over ..say..PJ Couisanard for 4. You can't pass up talent like OJ, even if it is for only one year.

Now, I agree with you, he needs to be a team player, and do what the team needs him to do.

CoMoChief
11-07-2006, 01:12 PM
MCD AA's = overrated


So is Walker and Mayo overrated?

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 01:12 PM
I've said it once and I'll say it again, i'll take the likes of OJ Mayo for 1 year over ..say..PJ Couisanard for 4. You can't pass up talent like OJ, even if it is for only one year.

Now, I agree with you, he needs to be a team player, and do what the team needs him to do.

I wouldn't but I understand the temptation to do so. In fact, I hope storied programs keep on doing it as I believe it will damage them more than help them in most cases. I just think it takes more than one year to form a team.

Saulbadguy
11-07-2006, 01:15 PM
So is Walker and Mayo overrated?
;) Walker never had time to be a McD AA, IIRC.

Saulbadguy
11-07-2006, 01:16 PM
I wouldn't but I understand the temptation to do so. In fact, I hope storied programs keep on doing it as I believe it will damage them more than help them in most cases. I just think it takes more than one year to form a team.
It does - thats why you have to get the 3/4 star talent to form core of players that will stay all 4 years. But to have talent like Michael Beasley or OJ Mayo for one year is worth it.

ChiTown
11-07-2006, 01:18 PM
www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/nov/07/giles_cited_battery/?breaking

Kansas University basketball forward C.J. Giles was cited by police for battering a female KU student Monday night, days after he was reinstated to the team following a suspension for personal problems.

Obviously, this is typical Bob THUGGINS. I knew it was just a matter of time before....................oh, wait. This was KU? Nothing to see here. This was a Roy Williams recruit. Move along.............

Lzen
11-07-2006, 01:20 PM
I mean look how they played against Arizona last year early... it was a joke. They did improve but in the the end the talent (yong as it was) got it's butt kicked by a better "team".

Okay, this is just plain idiotic. KU was a very young team in the Arizona game. Because of the fact that they were very young, they didn't have the cohesion of an older and more experienced team like Arizona was. It wasn't due to KU throwing away players. It was due to guys graduating. Geez, get a clue.

ImuMamalukabubuday
11-07-2006, 01:21 PM
The fact of the matter is that Wichita State would take any of these recruits as well...they just aren't ever in the running. Turgeon wouldn't pass up an opportunity to take anyone off of KU's roster. It's easy for you to say, in hindsight, but that's what make you an asshat, Chiefaroo. These guys are all young when they are being recruited, and they have a ton of maturing to do. Unfortunately, some never mature. It's a problem all over the country, but it's exemplified when it happens at one of the best programs in the nation. KU will move on from this and be just fine.

CoMoChief
11-07-2006, 01:21 PM
IMO a coach should recruit the best talent possible assuming that talent is going to be part of making a group of guys a "team" and stays in the program for continuity purposes. If a guy with monster talent comes in a says publicly he's only staying one or two years and then acts like the rest of the players ought to kiss his arse then the team never forms and they lose. Personally, I think this has been KU's biggest problem, not enough team cohesion. I mean look how they played against Arizona last year early... it was a joke. They did improve but in the the end the talent (young as it was) got it's butt kicked by a better "team".


Good lord they're ****ing freshman at the time playing half way across the world against a very good team in their first reg season game. KU gelled probably more so than any team in the nation. No one thought they would win as many games as they did last season. Beating KY at Rupp, winning both the conference title and tourney. Did you even watch college bball last season? Are you saying that Brandon Rush isn't a team player?

Saulbadguy
11-07-2006, 01:23 PM
Good lord they're ****ing freshman at the time playing half way across the world against a very good team in their first reg season game. KU gelled probably more so than any team in the nation. No one thought they would win as many games as they did last season. Beating KY at Rupp, winning both the conference title and tourney. Did you even watch college bball last season? Are you saying that Brandon Rush isn't a team player?
They beat UK in Lawrence last year, FWIW.

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 01:25 PM
The fact of the matter is that Wichita State would take any of these recruits as well...they just aren't ever in the running. Turgeon wouldn't pass up an opportunity to take anyone off of KU's roster. It's easy for you to say, in hindsight, but that's what make you an asshat, Chiefaroo. These guys are all young when they are being recruited, and they have a ton of maturing to do. Unfortunately, some never mature. It's a problem all over the country, but it's exemplified when it happens at one of the best programs in the nation. KU will move on from this and be just fine.


He would take some of them. Listen, I've talked to the guy over a dinner table and he's all about the program and winning just like Larry Brown and Roy were. That being said last year a kid named Jared Young was on the team and got out of line in the locker room and Turg. benched him for several games. Once he got reinstated he promptly got into an argument with Turg. after a victory in the tunnel because he didn't get enough PT (Turg tried to talk to him and Young physically pushed Turg. away). He got kicked off the team the next day. His backup was a 4th year walk on who had to play key minutes from January on. Don't give me that BS. I've seen it handled correctly first hand. Turg. learned this from Brown and maybe Roy. Self isn't from the same coaching tree and it shows.

Cochise
11-07-2006, 01:26 PM
They beat UK in Lawrence last year, FWIW.

The N is for knowledgable... er I mean, the K is for... knowledgable...er...

CoMoChief
11-07-2006, 01:26 PM
They beat UK in Lawrence last year, FWIW.

I must be thinking of the previous season then, my bad but still KY is a good team, one of the best in the nation.

Saulbadguy
11-07-2006, 01:27 PM
I must be thinking of the previous season then, my bad but still KY is a good team, one of the best in the nation.
They sucked last year. Relatively speaking, of course.

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 01:28 PM
Good lord they're ****ing freshman at the time playing half way across the world against a very good team in their first reg season game. KU gelled probably more so than any team in the nation. No one thought they would win as many games as they did last season. Beating KY at Rupp, winning both the conference title and tourney. Did you even watch college bball last season? Are you saying that Brandon Rush isn't a team player?

KU didn't gel all that well. WSU gelled much better than KU. Yes, I watched KU play a lot and always have. Fact is TX was overrated (and KU still got shelled in TX) as was the entire Big12 last year and the tournament proved it.

CoMoChief
11-07-2006, 01:30 PM
He would take some of them. Listen, I've talked to the guy over a dinner table and he's all about the program and winning just like Larry Brown and Roy were. That being said last year a kid named Jared Young was on the team and got out of line in the locker room and Turg. benched him for several games. Once he got reinstated he promptly got into an argument with Turg. after a victory in the tunnel because he didn't get enough PT (Turg tried to talk to him and Young physically pushed Turg. away). He got kicked off the team the next day. His backup was a 4th year walk on who had to play key minutes from January on. Don't give me that BS. I've seen it handled correctly first hand. Turg. learned this from Brown and maybe Roy. Self isn't from the same coaching tree and it shows.


Self is from the Brown coaching tree actually.

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 01:32 PM
Self is from the Brown coaching tree actually.

He sat on his bench next to Turg. but did he follow him around in the pros ala Turg. and did he run Brown's FF team? No. He's a step child at best.

CoMoChief
11-07-2006, 01:34 PM
KU didn't gel all that well. WSU gelled much better than KU. Yes, I watched KU play a lot and always have. Fact is TX was overrated (and KU still got shelled in TX) as was the entire Big12 last year and the tournament proved it.


Whatever you want to think man. To lose 3 players that were considered to be some of the best KU players of all time and insert freshman the following season and to accomplish what they did last season was a result in the team gelling.

ChiefaRoo
11-07-2006, 01:34 PM
Hey man, I want Self to stay in Lawrence for a decade. I hope he runs the program exactly as he has.... exactly.

CoMoChief
11-07-2006, 01:36 PM
He sat on his bench next to Turg. but did he follow him around in the pros ala Turg. and did he run Brown's FF team? No. He's a step child at best.


Self was a grad assistant IIRC of Brown. However far down the bench he was, everyone has to start somewhere.

CoMoChief
11-07-2006, 01:39 PM
Hey man, I want Self to stay in Lawrence for a decade. I hope he runs the program exactly as he has.... exactly.


You act as if the Men's bball program at KU is falling apart due to Self. Newsflash, it's not and won't.

Having that said I would still want Roy back. Who wouldn't? The man is a HOF basketball coach, regardless even if he never won a National title, which now he has.

ImuMamalukabubuday
11-07-2006, 01:40 PM
He would take some of them. Listen, I've talked to the guy over a dinner table and he's all about the program and winning just like Larry Brown and Roy were. That being said last year a kid named Jared Young was on the team and got out of line in the locker room and Turg. benched him for several games. Once he got reinstated he promptly got into an argument with Turg. after a victory in the tunnel because he didn't get enough PT (Turg tried to talk to him and Young physically pushed Turg. away). He got kicked off the team the next day. His backup was a 4th year walk on who had to play key minutes from January on. Don't give me that BS. I've seen it handled correctly first hand. Turg. learned this from Brown and maybe Roy. Self isn't from the same coaching tree and it shows.

He would have taken all of them out of high school...and that's my point. Self has done exactly what you are talking about with Turgeon above. He has let the bad apples go once they showed their inability to mature. He even has given people a couple of chances (just like Turgeon). Turgeon hasn't done anything that Self hasn't, yet you claim that he is the perfect example. AGAIN, you are damn fool. Tell me, how would Turgeon have handled this differently?

ImuMamalukabubuday
11-07-2006, 01:46 PM
Whatever you want to think man. To lose 3 players that were considered to be some of the best KU players of all time and insert freshman the following season and to accomplish what they did last season was a result in the team gelling.

EXACTLY...people act as if last year's squad was supposed to be a top tier team. They weren't. To win the regular season Big XII title and beat Texas for the Conference Tourney as well was a huge accomplishment for last year's team. No one expected them to make any kind of run last year. It's wasn't about "gelling" last year, it was about learning the team's identity with almost all minutes being played by Freshmen and Sophomores. They found their identity the last quarter of the season, but their lack of experience showed in the tournament. All in all, last year was a HUGELY successful year for the Jayhawks, considering the circumstances.

ChiefaRoo
11-08-2006, 12:44 AM
He would have taken all of them out of high school...and that's my point. Self has done exactly what you are talking about with Turgeon above. He has let the bad apples go once they showed their inability to mature. He even has given people a couple of chances (just like Turgeon). Turgeon hasn't done anything that Self hasn't, yet you claim that he is the perfect example. AGAIN, you are damn fool. Tell me, how would Turgeon have handled this differently?

He wouldn't of recruited the bad apples.