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Wa-Z
11-04-2006, 11:53 AM
Wow, this guy has got to be the biggest steal ever with the 252nd pick. How could teams have overlooked him??

Basileus777
11-04-2006, 11:56 AM
I would assume its because he doesn't have very good measurables (40 time in particular) and went to Hofstra.

Ebolapox
11-04-2006, 12:10 PM
didn't wayne chrebet also go to hofstra??

KChiefs1
11-04-2006, 12:12 PM
He is my TE on Yahoo.

noa
11-04-2006, 12:15 PM
Great pick by the Saints. I remember a story that Colston had a really bad first practice and Sean Payton wanted to cut him right away but someone convinced him to give Colston some more time, so they did, and eventually he performed so well that it made Donte Stallworth expendable.

Cave Johnson
11-04-2006, 12:21 PM
He is my TE on Yahoo.

Destined to be known as the Colston Controversy of '06.

He dropped because of injuries (he missed all of 2004), lack of top flight competition, measurable speed, and probably was thought of as a bit of a tweener. Here's a decent article from this week on Colston. It doesn't mentioned this, but he went for something like 85 yards and TD in the Shrine game.

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- It became obvious to Saints coach Sean Payton back in training camp that rookie receiver Marques Colston was going to be good.

Maybe not the most prolific, big-play, touchdown-scoring weapon on the team. Maybe not a prime candidate for rookie of the year. But good.

"He's been consistent. That's the one thing you're always looking for in a receiver and it had a lot to do with why we ended up putting him there and not the other guy," Payton said this week.

By "other guy," Payton meant the Saints' 2005 leading receiver, Donte' Stallworth, who was traded shortly before the regular season.

Stallworth has been productive in Philadelphia with 15 catches for 304 yards and a pair of touchdowns, but has missed several games with a hamstring problem.

Colston leads New Orleans (5-2) with 577 yards receiving and six touchdowns on 33 catches. No Saints running back or receiver has gained as many yards from scrimmage.

The Saints' far more famous rookie, Reggie Bush, has 42 catches for 290 yards and 70 runs for 212 yards (502 yards combined). And Bush, the 2005 Heisman Trophy winner, has only one touchdown, albeit on a 65-yard punt return that lifted the Saints past Tampa Bay.

Whether the Saints have won or lost, Colston has been productive.

His longest touchdown of the season, 86 yards, came in a 21-18 loss at Carolina. New Orleans' 35-22 loss to Baltimore on Sunday could have been a lot worse if not for Colston, who caught six passes for 163 yards, including touchdowns of 47 and 25 yards. His catches included an over-the-shoulder grab as he was being tackled by two players along the sideline for a 14-yard gain on fourth-and-10.

"I don't want to hype him up too much, but I love the guy," quarterback Drew Brees said. "He's just scratching the surface, he really is, of what he can accomplish. He'll make the plays for you (in) critical situations."

Colston, a clean cut, soft-spoken, introspective, former psychology student doesn't hesitate when asked if he's exceeded his own expectations.

"By far. ... I just really wanted to get on the field and play and contribute in any way possible," Colston said. "The thing is to keep setting expectations and try to accomplish the new goals you set for yourself."

Colston's 6-foot-4, 230-pound build gives him a natural advantage catching the ball. Yet a number of his big plays had little to do with his height and more to do with running crisp routes, concentration in traffic and escapability once he's made a catch.

Two defenders had shots at Colston when he hauled in his 47-yard score against Baltimore. He spun free as they hit him simultaneously, then sprinted away from remaining pursuers.

"It's body position, body control, catching the football and just kind of that want-to," Brees said. "He makes catches that look like every catch means everything to him."

Colston says it's clear to him that his understanding of the game and his receiving skills are far more refined now than only a couple months ago.

Brees said Colston arrived with a quiet confidence and strong work ethic. The quarterback never felt compelled to be a mentor to Colston or offer him any special encouragement to build the rookie's confidence.

"I just let him play," Brees said. "He's got the right head on his shoulders. I'm not going to mess with it."

It's far too early to make serious comparisons between Colston and someone like all-time NFL receiving leader Jerry Rice, but the resemblance is there: the soft-spoken humility; the body type; the sure hands; the grace; the uncanny ability to get open downfield; the instinct to run for their lives once they've made the catch and slip defenders who seem to have them in their sights. Both played for Division I-AA college programs, Colston at Hofstra and Rice at Mississippi Valley State.

In addition to his long touchdown catches against Baltimore and Carolina, Colston had a 35-yard score in a triumph at Green Bay. He caught an important 12-yard touchdown pass in his debut at Cleveland and a 7-yard TD in a victory over Philadelphia.

While Colston did not score in the win over Atlanta, he led New Orleans in receiving that game with nine catches for 97 yards.

Colston emphasized that much of what he's accomplished has to do with the team that took him in the seventh round of the draft -- a team with a new coaching staff that was looking to overhaul the roster. It's also a team with numerous other offensive weapons to distract defenses, be it the flashy, versatile Bush, bruising running back Deuce McAllister or flamboyant receiver Joe Horn. Not to mention an experienced, accurate quarterback.

"I've been put in a great situation to succeed, coming onto a team that definitely wants to win, has a lot of veteran guys," Colston said. "This coaching staff gives a chance for someone to come in and thrive. ... Everyone came in with a clean slate, and for me it kind of leveled the playing field. There was no bias when things started."

Colston said he also has benefited from rarely encountering double coverage.

"The first few weeks a lot of teams didn't even know who I was," Colston said. "I really haven't seen too much of it. I really don't know if I should expect to see it. We have so many offensive weapons. We'll see what happens."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-saints-colston&prov=ap&type=lgns

Deberg_1990
11-04-2006, 01:14 PM
How could teams have overlooked him??


I dont know? Probably for the same reasons that players like Priest Holmes (undrafted) and Terrell Davis (6th rounder) dropped. You cant measure heart and determination. Teams put way too much stock in the combine crap like 40 times and how high some dude can jump.

Short Leash Hootie
11-04-2006, 01:19 PM
there have been two games this season where he's had about three-thousand yards in the 4th quarter of games the Saints were already out of...

Deberg_1990
11-04-2006, 01:22 PM
there have been two games this season where he's had about three-thousand yards in the 4th quarter of games the Saints were already out of...

Classic fantasy garbage time player....gotta love em!

KurtCobain
11-04-2006, 01:44 PM
Yeah, this guy is good no doubt. I pulled him up out of waivers in fantasy and he's definately helping me out. Especially since I got dicked on overhyped WRs in the draft.

Sure-Oz
11-04-2006, 01:48 PM
I cut him for Vernon Davis, then Davis promptly broke a leg.....

I've been burned since...and have ben watson as my TE, which isnt bad, but could've been way better...sad part is i knew colston would be a good pickup being a wr/te in my league, just the versatility alone i should've kept him but didn't!

Easy 6
11-04-2006, 03:40 PM
I believe the Saints are headed towards a bright future, no team can stay that cursed forever...'cept the Cubs. I could easily see them in the playoffs next year if they work some voodoo on D.

Count Zarth
11-04-2006, 03:54 PM
The Saints will make the playoffs THIS YEAR.

Easy 6
11-04-2006, 04:07 PM
The Saints will make the playoffs THIS YEAR.

Nah, their D will falter down the stretch, just not enough talent to get there this year. Plus i think the team as a whole just needs more time to gel & perfect what Payton is teaching them. They will do enough to make the city proud again this year though.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-04-2006, 04:08 PM
Colston is definitely a garbage time machine. Almost all of his yardage is when they are way behind. It just pisses me off that I don't have the sonofabitch :banghead:

Cave Johnson
11-04-2006, 05:44 PM
Colston is definitely a garbage time machine. Almost all of his yardage is when they are way behind. It just pisses me off that I don't have the sonofabitch :banghead:

I think the Ravens game is leaving the wrong impression.

I'm too lazy to look at yardage, but his other TDs were not in garbage time. 2nd quarter in the Philly game, 3rd quarter against the Browns, 4th quarter in the Green Bay game (to put the Saints up), game winning TD in the Carolina game.

Cave Johnson
11-06-2006, 12:09 PM
Anyone want to retract their "garbage-time machine" designation? The Hofstra Hammer scored a TD and approximately 60 yards in the first half of the Tampa game.

Brock
11-06-2006, 12:27 PM
Anyone want to retract their "garbage-time machine" designation? The Hofstra Hammer scored a TD and approximately 60 yards in the first half of the Tampa game.

He IS a garbage time machine.

djwells
11-06-2006, 12:30 PM
Anyone want to retract their "garbage-time machine" designation? The Hofstra Hammer scored a TD and approximately 60 yards in the first half of the Tampa game.

Garbage time???? If anyone has watched a Saints game this year, they might watch who stays on the field when the run (goal line) package is on. J. Horn goes to the bench and Colston remains on the field. Looks to me like the team places alot of confidence in this receiver.

The Rick
11-06-2006, 12:49 PM
I dont know? Probably for the same reasons that players like Priest Holmes (undrafted) and Terrell Davis (6th rounder) dropped. You cant measure heart and determination. Teams put way too much stock in the combine crap like 40 times and how high some dude can jump.
Great point. That is why I think major kudos is deserved by the coaching staff/front office on drafting Tamba Hali. I don't know who's responsible, but it's nice to see that those kind of intangible factors plus college production were a large part of the decision as opposed to the tangible measureables such as 40 time, etc. Gives me a lot of hope for the future.

Cave Johnson
11-06-2006, 01:18 PM
He IS a garbage time machine.


You're wrong. Using capital letters, or underlining, or bolding doesn't make you correct.

Brock
11-06-2006, 01:20 PM
You're wrong. Using capital letters, or underlining, or bolding doesn't make you correct.

No, but the stats do.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/408644/splits/2006

DaneMcCloud
11-06-2006, 01:21 PM
I dont know? Probably for the same reasons that players like Priest Holmes (undrafted) and Terrell Davis (6th rounder) dropped. You cant measure heart and determination. Teams put way too much stock in the combine crap like 40 times and how high some dude can jump.


Those guys dropped because of very serious knee injuries, which is entirely different than Colston's situation. Colston dropped because he played at 1-AA Hofsta. Simple as that.

Basileus777
11-06-2006, 01:24 PM
No, but the stats do.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/408644/splits/2006

When Behind: 14 receptions 323 yards and 3 TDs
When Ahead: 23 receptions 289 yards and 2 TDS

His numbers are pretty evenly split, most of them do not come in garbage time.

Cave Johnson
11-06-2006, 01:27 PM
No, but the stats do.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/408644/splits/2006

Really? He has more yards and touches when NO is behind than when they're ahead.

Brock
11-06-2006, 01:27 PM
Most of his numbers come from when the Saints are behind....

Yes. Unless I misunderstand what "garbage time" means, most of his stats come when the Saints are way behind. He has twice as many TDs and almost twice as much yardage in the second half.

Basileus777
11-06-2006, 01:29 PM
Yes. Unless I misunderstand what "garbage time" means, most of his stats come when the Saints are way behind. He has twice as many TDs and almost twice as much yardage in the second half.
The Saints are 6-2 and only got blown out by Baltimore. They probably had more garbage time when they were ahead. And he doesn't have twice as many anything in either scenerio. 3 tds to 2 tds.

bkkcoh
11-06-2006, 01:31 PM
He is on my FFL team........ :toast:

Brock
11-06-2006, 01:35 PM
The Saints are 6-2 and only got blown out by Baltimore. They probably had more garbage time when they were ahead. And he doesn't have twice as many anything in either scenerio. 3 tds to 2 tds.

Uh, it's 5-2 there, bud. 433 yds to 267.

Basileus777
11-06-2006, 01:36 PM
Uh, it's 5-2 there, bud. 433 yds to 267.I'm not talking about second/first half splits (its wasn't garbage time when they were behind in the second half except for the Baltimore game), but rather the ahead/behind splits.

When Behind: 14 receptions 323 yards and 3 TDs
When Ahead: 23 receptions 289 yards and 2 TDS

There hasn't been much garbage time for the Saints anyways, most of their games, wins or losses, have been close.

noa
11-06-2006, 01:45 PM
Uh, it's 5-2 there, bud. 433 yds to 267.

Actually, they are 6-2. For a guy citing stats, I think you could have easily checked on that one.

noa
11-06-2006, 01:47 PM
I'm not talking about second/first half splits (its wasn't garbage time when they were behind in the second half except for the Baltimroe game), but rather the ahead/behind splits.

When Behind: 14 receptions 323 yards and 3 TDs
When Ahead: 23 receptions 289 yards and 2 TDS

Except for the Baltimore game there wasn't much garbage time for the Saints anyways, all the other games, wins or losses, were close.


Well, they did beat Atlanta 23-3, but I agree with you that most of their games have been close, so its hard to find any garbage time at all for them. Four of their victories have been decided by a touchdown or less.