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NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 12:03 PM
After studying the RB position here is two list that I have compiled. One is my board and the players round value, the other is how I think the players will go in the actual draft. Some of you will look at this and think that I am crazy...But after the Indy Combine workouts,IMO, this will be closer to what the so called experts will be saying then:

JL80's RB Board
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1)James Jackson(1st Rd)
2)Travis Henry (1st Rd)
3)Michael Bennett(1st Rd)
4)Deuce McCallister(Late 1st)
5)Kevan Barlow (Early 2nd)
6)LaMont Jordan (Mid 2nd)
7)La.Tomlinson(Mid-late 2nd)
8)Dan Alexander(3rd)
9)Correll Buckhalter(3rd)
10)JaMar Toombs (Mid 3rd)
11)Anthony Thomas(Mid 3rd)
12)Rudi Johnson(4th Rd)
13)David Allen (4th-5th)


NFL's Actual Draft Board
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1)Michael Bennett(1st Rd)
2)Deuce McCallister(1st Rd)
3)James Jackson (1st Rd)
4)Travis Henry(Late 1st)
5)Kevan Barlow(Early 2nd)
6)LaDain. Tomlinson(Mid 2nd)
7)LaMont Jordan(Mid 2nd)
8)JaMar Toombs(Early 3rd)
9)Anthony Thomas(Mid 3rd)
10)Dan Alexander(Late 3rd-4th)
11)Rudi Johnson (Late 3rd)
12)David Allen (4th)
13)Correll Buckhalter(4-5th)





[Edited by jl80 on 01-15-2001 at 01:55 PM]

ChiTown
01-15-2001, 12:16 PM
David Allen would be a nice pickup with our extra 4th rd pick (compensatory for Stai). We need ST's help and he would most certainly provide that.

Cannibal
01-15-2001, 12:16 PM
Jamar Toombs is a Fullback isn't he?

Also, I think Rudi Johnson is a better prospect than you and the NFL are giving him credit for.

If he really does go in the late 3rd or 4th round, somebody is getting a steal.

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 12:22 PM
Toombs is built like a fullback but he is and will most likely be a primary ball carrier...He is faster than most people think...I think this is over doing it a bit but Mel Kiper has him in his top 15 players overall....As for Rudi Johnson, he is not that quick or fast as far as NFL standards go...If JQ shows up today he will attest to that. He will be hurt due to the depth in this draft...Most years he would be a mid to early 2nd rounder but the sheer number of quality RB's will push him down.

AJKCFAN
01-15-2001, 12:25 PM
jl80:

Now you know we need a RB. I know we need a RB. Everyone here knows we need a RB.

But, after looking at what's been going on with the Chiefs lately, there's only one pick which makes sense now.

Freedie Mitchell, WR (UCLA)

AJKCFAN
01-15-2001, 12:25 PM
Sorry. Freddie Mitchell

Cannibal
01-15-2001, 12:26 PM
All the draft sites I've seen have him listed as a FB.

alanm
01-15-2001, 12:30 PM
I see you have Buckhalter, But what about Dan Alexander of Nebraska? He's got to be up there in the 3rd thru 5th rnd. I wouldn't mind seeing this guy wearing red once more. But I'd see if we could get him on the cheap side of the draft before he's gone.

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 12:30 PM
Can,

He will be view in the same fashion that they looked at Bettis and Alstott coming out...As a FB/Primary Ball carrier...

Cannibal
01-15-2001, 12:33 PM
Based on recent happenings at 1 Arrowhead Dr. you might want to throw Deshawn Foster on your list. If we draft any RB, it'll probably be him because of his UCLA connection.

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 12:34 PM
alanm,

I agree with you about Alexander, he will most likely go between mid 3rd to early 5th...He is in that JaMar Toombs category where everyone has him penciled in as a FB even though they will most likely be primary ball carries...I personally like him better than Toombs...a lot more speed.

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 12:37 PM
Can,

Foster would be 2nd on my board but he didn't come out...I really like him a lot and based on the current UCLA theme he would probably be wearing the Red and Gold had he came out.

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 12:42 PM
Ole Big Hair has Toombs as a RB and 16th overall...That is a stretch. </tr>

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alanm
01-15-2001, 12:45 PM
ji80, Did you see him destroy Northwestern? 20 carries for 240yrds. And he just overpowered their Linebackers and DB's And the best thing is, is that he's finally starting to look like the RB he was before he tore up his knee two years ago.

MrBlond
01-15-2001, 12:48 PM
jl80,

If you are right, how costly was that 2nd rounder we lost? How would you like to see:

1)Dan Morgan-OLB
2)Lamont Jordan-RB
3)David Allen-KR/RB

I am not saying losing Gun was not worth a 2nd, but I am going to miss that pick. Especially in this year of the deep RB class.

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 12:51 PM
alanm,

I sure did...I really like that size and speed. Normally he would get hurt in the draft because he was a Nebraska I Back but A.Green's performance this year will help his draft position. I think he is worth a 3rd rounder, maybe even a late 2nd he he looks good at the combine...I would not mind seeing him wearing the Red and Gold.

HC_Chief
01-15-2001, 12:54 PM
You already know my stance on this issue... ;)

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 12:58 PM
alanm,

After thinking about it I just ammended the my board and put D.Alexander in there...


Blond,

Everybody is on my *** about crying over that 2nd rounder but I think that pick was going to have more value than most of our previous 1st rounders...I would love to get Morgan in the 1st and then landed one of several RB's in the 2nd. Draft day is going to kill me when we are without a pick in the 2nd round cause there is going to be some killer talent on the board...

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 01:07 PM
HC,

How sick are you going to be if T.Henry is still on the board when the Rams are up at the podium with our 2nd round pick?

HC_Chief
01-15-2001, 01:11 PM
Not going to happen... the guy is a 1st round pick - guaranteed.

Jamal Lewis' appearance in the SB will help shine a spotlight on him. Add to that his excellent college stats & what's sure to be an outstanding combine workout, I expect the guy to be very high on a lot of draft boards. (which, unfortunately translates to: "yeah, we <i>considered</i> Travis Henry, but decided ________ was a better fit for the Kansas City Chiefs....") :mad:

HC_Chief
01-15-2001, 01:13 PM
OK... this board is starting to work my nerves a bit:

smiles are not working, and having to hit the "Go to First Unread Post" button after posting.... grrrrr......

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 01:16 PM
He should go mid 1st round but this draft should have some big surprises in it...Because of the overwhelming depth at RB and WR I think we will see a run on the defensive side of the ball which will cause a lot of 1st round caliber offensive players fall into the 2nd round...In most years he wouldn't fall past 15 but I really think that there will be 4 or 5 offensive player that fall out of the 1st round and everyone will be scratching their collective heads in amazement.

G_Man
01-15-2001, 01:46 PM
I agree on Rudi Johnson. He's going to be moving up the draft boards, I would think.

Just for interest, here are the REAL measurements of some of these guys (from the Senior Bowl weigh-ins):

Mike Cerimele, Penn State 5106 232
Kevan Barlow, Pittsburgh 6007 235
Lamont Jordan, Maryland 5097 228
Anthony Thomas, Michigan 6012 227
Travis Henry, Tennessee 5090 223
Dustin McKlintock, Alabama 6012 259
Travis Minor, Florida St. 5097 194
Moran Norris, Kansas 6005 248
Ladainian Tomlinson, TCU 5097 221

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 01:48 PM
Ouch...That 5'9.0" is going to hurt Henry...And Jordan will fall on that below 5'10" measure also...

HC_Chief
01-15-2001, 02:04 PM
Interesting: I just saw DeAngelo Evans' name listed on the Springfield Draft Publication website (totally forgot about him!). How much you wanna' bet we bring him in as an UFA? If it weren't for constant injuries plaguing his collegiate career, I would wager he would have been then #1 player taken overall (broke every one of Barry Sanders' Wichita Collegiate records - the kid was simply amazing!)

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 03:56 PM
HC,

He always impressed the hell out of me when he was at Nebraska...I would love to get him in the 6th,7th or FA...Even if he stayed at Nebraska he would have a hard time beating the size issue in the draft...He is only 5'9"....I personally don't let the height issue come into play that much...I really don't think it limits a RB as long as he has some lead in his pants...He is 220 lbs. which means he is built like a rock...It would be a good late round gamble.

HC_Chief
01-15-2001, 04:05 PM
Agreed re:late round pick (or FA) - definitely not worth reaching for above the 6th though (too many injuries).

I do not buy into the 5'9"=too short for the NFL thing! Most of the league's best backs are in that size range (5'9", 220lbs). IMO, quickness and vision are # 1 & 2 when it comes to grading-out a RB. Quickness - as in ability to swivel, stop, and change direction quickly. Vision - abiluity to see the hole just as it begins to open up - to be able to see the running lane & make the decision to go through it as it develops.

NaptownChief
01-15-2001, 04:55 PM
HC,

I completely agree but every year despite having plenty of proof to the contrary teams always draft guys that look better on paper than they do on the field too high and guys that don't look great on paper too low...That is why guys like Ray Lewis and Derrick Brooks fell into the 20's despite being dominate LB's in college and the pros...That is why a Hurtis Penis goes 5th overall while a Tiki Barber goes in the 2nd round...

NaptownChief
01-16-2001, 07:21 AM
Just curious as to what type of back most of you guys want? You guys wanting the all-around type back in the mold of a Faulk or big smasher like the good old days with Okoye?

MrBlond
01-16-2001, 07:29 AM
jl80,

I want a Fred Taylor clone. The strenth to pick up the tough yards inside and the speed to take it all the way. With good hands. This is an unusual draft for KC in that we normaly hope 1 of 3-4 RB's fall to us instead of having to decide between 4-5 runners. I have not seen any of the backs play often enough to make a judgement, but which back do you think fits the Taylor profile?

NaptownChief
01-16-2001, 07:43 AM
On paper it would be McCallister...He is very big like Taylor with excellent speed...But from the several times I watched him he just never made good use of his physical tools. I just don't think he has the instincts that Taylor has..James Jackson is a smaller version with better hands...He is a faster and more powerful version of Charlie Garner...

MrBlond
01-16-2001, 08:02 AM
jl80,

I am convinced the Chiefs will go RB. Even if Morgan is available. Which 3 runners do you think are value picks at #12? I have seen Henry play twice and was impressed both times. Will he be available or is he worth trading up 3-4 spots? This is from a TSN article on the Senior Bowl practices:

"Tennessee running back Travis Henry was the most impressive back during Monday's practice. He proved that he is a durable back by successfully pounding the ball between the tackles. Henry is a capable runner, receiver, and blocker in pass protection. "

NaptownChief
01-16-2001, 08:12 AM
Henry, Jackson and Bennett are the guys worth taking in the 1st round...I think will get our choice of the 3 at the 12th spot...Bennett is the only one that could come off the board ahead of us because he could run a high 4.2 low 4.3 at the combine and have everyone drooling over his speed...The closest thing to a Fred Taylor clone is DeShaun Foster from UCLA but he didn't come out....McCallister will definitely go in the 1st round but I don't want him that much. Jackson and Henry are the best RB's right now...Bennett and McCallister will be drafted on potential...

MrBlond
01-16-2001, 08:22 AM
80,

Thanks for the info. My early guess is Henry will be our man. At this point, I would be happy with that pick. I would love Morgan, and would be very happy with Smoot.

HC_Chief
01-16-2001, 08:31 AM
I just hope Henry does not impress <i>too much</i> in the Sr Bowl and combine workouts.

This kid is a baller - I believe he will be an <i>outstanding</i> back in this league.

Coogs
01-16-2001, 08:37 AM
TSN has us taking Tomlinson at 12 in their mock draft. Here is also what they had to say about his practice at the Senior Bowl on Monday...


TCU running back LaDainian Tomlinson didn't do very much to help increase his stock for this year's draft. He was not very explosive in hitting the hole and was bounced around between the tackles. Tomlinson didn't show great patience or vision in running in the treacherous conditions, as he unsuccessfully looked to bounce everything outside.


Jackson, Henry, McAllister, or Bennett for me. I want a RB who can do many things, not one thing. We have a whole team of those now.

NaptownChief
01-16-2001, 08:52 AM
Coogs,

Good to hear that...I didn't think too much of Tomlinson's instincts, that is why I only had him #7 while most experts had him going in the middle of the 1st round...I would love to get one of these backs but it would kill me to pass up Morgan...

NaptownChief
01-16-2001, 09:08 AM
Coogs,

When I watched Tomlinson a couple times this year I couldn't get Byron Hanspard out of my head...Speed, no instincts and a soft schedule...

Coogs
01-16-2001, 09:22 AM
jl80, I can't say much on Tomlinson, as I only got to see him on a handful of plays. The thing I don't like from what I have read on TCU, is that he was playing in an option type offense. To me a lot of those rushing yards can be inflated on a RB if the QB makes the right decisions.

The thing I like about McAllister and Jackson, and I saw them both play a couple of times, is that they bring the whole package to the table. They can run inside, outside, catch, etc.

I also watched LaMont Jordan 3 times, and he can run, but he can't catch a lick. In all three games I watched anyway, he dropped at least 2 very easy passes.

Henry, I only saw him against KSU, and Bennett I only saw for a few plays. Going more on what all of you all say here as to why I could live with them.

Coogs
01-16-2001, 09:30 AM
jl80,

Do they still have the Hula Bowl? If so, is Jackson playing in it? Can these Juniors that are comming out play in it also? Would love to see some of these guys one more time also.

NaptownChief
01-16-2001, 09:35 AM
Henry and Bennett was never really asked to catch the ball much, but I think both of them are good enough athletes to do it at the next level...Jackson is the guy that gets me most excited when I watch him play, he has shown that he can do everything very well...I honestly wouldn't give 5 lbs of catfish and two dozen footballs for Jordan...and I don't even like fish....I could be very wrong about him but anybody who goes from 1600 yards as a JR to just 900 as a SR without injury gets moved way down in my book...Financially this was the most important year of his life and he collapsed...No thanks...

NaptownChief
01-16-2001, 09:39 AM
None of the JR's are eligible...For what ever reason the Hula Bowl has not disclosed their roster anywhere...Based on all of the talent that is going to the Senior Bowl, I would image they are not disclosing it because it would be pretty embarrassing in comparison...I am not sure about Jackson, he came out of that Sugar Bowl with a foot injury. I think it was minor but that might keep him out of the All Star games so that he can prepare for the combine in Feb...That is where I think he will skyrocket up the boards...I think he could surprise everybody with a high 4.3 40....

htismaqe
01-16-2001, 09:46 AM
After watching alot of college football this year, and seeing one guy in particular more than the others, I have to say:

Michael Bennett appears to be the real deal. Big, strong, and very fast. I haven't seen his 40 times, but I watched outrun dbacks -- in pads...

NaptownChief
01-16-2001, 09:50 AM
htismaqe,

He is definitely the fastest RB in the draft, good chance he will be the fastest player in the draft...He has been clocked at 4.3 40 on a regular basis...He has a big upside but he is raw with only one year of playing time and all of his offseason's were spent working with the Track team instead of football...He is more of a gamble but the reward could be huge.

NaptownChief
01-17-2001, 08:28 AM
Senior Bowl Update:

RB's that are moving up:

Kevan Barlow, RB, Pittsburgh -- Wow. A physical speciman to say the least. Not only does he hit the hole quick, but he hits it with purpose. Has surprisingly soft hands.

Dan Alexander, RB, Nebraska -- Take away his drops on several swing/screen passes and Alexander may have been the Player of the Day, North-style, for the opening practice stanza. Showed great footwork and speed in the agility drills.

Also looking good:

- Mario Fatafehi came out strong today in the drills, whipping Ben Hamilton on two plays and providing consistently strong inside push.

Cannibal
01-17-2001, 11:39 AM
Michael Bennett is Gregg Hill II.

Small, very fast and no moves.

If he does break out of the front seven, look out. But more often than not I bet he gets crushed at the line of scrimmage just like Gregg Hill did.

NaptownChief
01-17-2001, 02:15 PM
Cannibal,

That is kinda funny cause that exact thought has gone through my head on a couple occasions...One big difference is Bennett has only played 1 year as the starting RB and some things could be written off to a lack of experience...He could develop into something special but I can not lie, that thought has crossed my mind.

Frosty
01-17-2001, 08:34 PM
Hula Bowl Roster:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2001/01/12/hula_rosters/

Bunch of RB's I've never heard of. Also, I think Jackson was supposed to play in the East/West Shrine game, but was hurt.

Personally, I hope the Chiefs trade down and pick up a 2nd rounder. I think #12 is too high for the value of the backs that will be available then. I think they could trade down to 20-23 and still have their pick. That's assuming they will pick a back in the first (which, actually, I doubt).

Ryan

NaptownChief
01-20-2001, 11:48 AM
Senior Bowl is about to kick off, so go take a good look at the talent in today's game...Good chance our 1st rounder will be playing.

84SylvesterMorris
01-20-2001, 12:55 PM
The Chiefs will draft LaDainan Tomilinson in the first round because they need a RB that is fast hits the hole quick and is elusive like Marshall Faulk. Watch out for LaDainan Tomilinson next year he's coming after you.

[Edited by 84SylvesterMorris on 01-20-2001 at 01:58 PM]

Ebolapox
01-31-2003, 08:09 PM
hindsight... 20/20 :p

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