Hillary and Socialized Health care coming back.

[MarcBulger]

Clinton Outlines Legislative Priorities
Nov 13 1:02 PM US/Eastern

By BETH FOUHY
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK

Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday outlined an ambitious agenda of legislative priorities while continuing to deflect questions about her presumed presidential ambitions.
"I will look at the possibilities, but I ... haven't really had the time to talk to people about it," Clinton told a breakfast gathering hosted by the Association for a Better New York. "It's been a busy election season that worked out well, so I will think about it. I'm open to thoughts."

Clinton was returning to Washington on Monday to participate in a lame-duck session of Congress in which lawmakers will tackle several pieces of unfinished business before ceding control of both the Senate and House to Democrats early next year.

But the New York senator was clearly looking ahead to the next Congress, which she, like other Democrats, has vowed will operate on a more bipartisan basis than it had under Republican control.

"We are ready to roll up our sleeves and work with our Republican counterparts. Our country works best when we govern from the vital, dynamic center," she said.

Since cruising to re-election last week against a weak Republican challenger, Clinton has parried repeated questions about her political future. While she hasn't disclosed her plans, polls show her the clear front-runner for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, with a national infrastructure of strategists and advisers and at least $10 million in her campaign account.

"Before, I didn't have time to think _ I was too focused on what I was doing," she later told reporters. "I'm thrilled by the results, and now I'll have some time to think."

In her remarks, Clinton outlined a range of challenges she said Democrats would tackle in the coming months, such as trimming the federal deficit, reducing dependence on foreign oil, and improving the image of the United States abroad.

She also said Democrats would focus on improving the quality and affordability of health care _ a touchy matter for the former first lady, who in 1993 led her husband's calamitous attempt to overhaul the nation's health care system. The failure of that effort helped Republicans win control of both the Senate and House the following year.

"Health care is coming back," Clinton warned, adding, "It may be a bad dream for some."

We tried to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but the left won't allow drilling in Alaska. Has anyone informed her?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Clinton Outlines Legislative Priorities
Nov 13 1:02 PM US/Eastern


We tried to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but the left won't allow drilling in Alaska. Has anyone informed her?

The amount of oil that is in all of ANWAR is less than the amount that could be saved over one decade if we would increase fuel efficiency standards on motor vehicles by 10 friggin percent. It's a false panacea.

[MarcBulger]

So in other words people should stop driving and buying large vehicles? Govt Nationalized Vehicles can't hardly wait. DId they not just find one of the largest oil deposits in the history of the world in the Gulf of Mexico?

[Simplex3]

Socialized medicine. Yeah, because the govt. does a fabulous job with really complex and important things like the DMV, polling places, and everything else they touch.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Socialized medicine. Yeah, because the govt. does a fabulous job with really complex and important things like the DMV, polling places, and everything else they touch.

And corporations always have the best interest of the consumer at heart :rolleyes:

[Ultra Peanut]

Socialized.

Socialized.

SOCIALIZED!

[tiptap]

So in other words people should stop driving and buying large vehicles? Govt Nationalized Vehicles can't hardly wait. DId they not just find one of the largest oil deposits in the history of the world in the Gulf of Mexico?

No, you can have a large vehicle, that actually is ok if we average one less car and we fill the ones we keep up with a full load of passangers for those mundane trips. But it will take some plodding because you are addicted and the first step is to admit to your addiction.

[Cochise]

Now if we just give full coverage to the illegals...

[tiptap]

As far as health care all we are doing is pooling the money already in the health arena and then negotiating price from the providers and reducing overhead. See Health Care 2

[SBK]

And corporations always have the best interest of the consumer at heart :rolleyes:

If they don't consider the consumer they don't make any money.

[SBK]

Hillary must be planning for a super duper moonbat lib to take over the White House, as there's not enough votes in congress to override a surefire veto.

[Simplex3]

If they don't consider the consumer they don't make any money.
Unless it's govt. run. Then they don't have to consider jack squat. It's great!

[Simplex3]

Hillary must be planning for a super duper moonbat lib to take over the White House, as there's not enough votes in congress to override a surefire veto.
Fiscally Bush *IS* a super duper moonbat lib. Medicare Prescription Drug Plan anyone?

[Simplex3]

As far as health care all we are doing is pooling the money already in the health arena and then negotiating price from the providers and reducing overhead. See Health Care 2
You actually believe this crap? The govt NEVER gets anything done cheaper than private industry. Not once in the history of the world. Yet this time it will be different, right?

[Garcia Bronco]

Socialized medicine future...I went to the doctor today to get a prescription...I was told to come back tomorrow. All the people with no jobs were in line ahead of me...and why should they work. Everything is free.

[Velvet_Jones]

You actually believe this crap? The govt NEVER gets anything done cheaper than private industry. Not once in the history of the world. Yet this time it will be different, right?
Yes - tiptap actually beleave this. Although, apparently, he is ignorant of the subject that he is promoting. See Health Care 2.

[StcChief]

Just say no to Socialism.

[listopencil]

Socialized medicine. Yeah, because the govt. does a fabulous job with really complex and important things like the DMV, polling places, and everything else they touch.


To me the biggest problem with the DMV is that the fees we pay don't go where they are supposed to go. At least that's how it is in California, I don't know about other states.

[slappyhappy]

Just say no to Socialism.


I'm curious? Is there anyone from Canada in the boards? I was wondering how they felt about the Socialist Health Care system they have there?

[Cochise]

Socialized medicine future...I went to the doctor today to get a prescription...I was told to come back tomorrow. All the people with no jobs were in line ahead of me...and why should they work. Everything is free.

Just think! Pretty soon we will be waiting 2-3 weeks for our free appointments! I'm so excited!

You know the old saying... "If it's free, give me three."

[Logical]

Fiscally Bush *IS* a super duper moonbat lib. Medicare Prescription Drug Plan anyone?

Numbers please, not here to defend Bush but all I ever hear is how this is such a waste but no one provides hard data.

By the way would you deny your grandma a prescription to do away with the program?

[Calcountry]

I can't wait for that Bitch to come back and start bobbing her head, with those catatonic eyes that never blink, reciting in a hypnotic cadence, "I am doing it, FOR the Children."

[Calcountry]

Just think! Pretty soon we will be waiting 2-3 weeks for our free appointments! I'm so excited!

You know the old saying... "If it's free, give me three."I am all for free health care, as long as they maintain my right to sue for malpractice as well. "

[Calcountry]

To me the biggest problem with the DMV is that the fees we pay don't go where they are supposed to go. At least that's how it is in California, I don't know about other states.Just raise em, that will make it o.k.

[redbrian]

I'm curious? Is there anyone from Canada in the boards? I was wondering how they felt about the Socialist Health Care system they have there?

The ones with money come to the states for treatment, those without funds go on the waiting list.

[MarcBulger]

When I was very young 2nd and 3rd grade we lived in Montreal Canada for two years. I don't remeber much, except one time I had a bad ear ache. My mom told me that we went to the Dr's Office at 9:00am we waited all day and then about 4:00pm we were told to come back the next day. We showed up the next day at 9:00am and I was looked at around 11:00 that morning. They gave me some drugs and two to three hours later the ear ache was gone. My Dad hated living there he told me the taxes were so high that it did not make up for the free health care. Also anything dealing with purchases for kids, cloths, baby food, etc was not taxed either. However anything that did not deal with taxes was sky freaking high.

[Logical]

The ones with money come to the states for treatment, those without funds go on the waiting list.

I know quite a few people and this is not accurate. Regular medical care is of a good quality. However if you need specialized surgery/procedures that is where the waiting lists come into play. Supposedly care varies from province to province as well.

[Cochise]

I am all for free health care, as long as they maintain my right to sue for malpractice as well. "

It isn't going to be free. The cost will be more hidden than before.

Think about it. Does the government do anything cheaper, in the end, for taxpayers? Especially if you already have access?

It seems to me like the only benefit would be to cover everyone. That means increasing costs, maybe dramatically, to people who already have access.

[Logical]

It isn't going to be free. The cost will be more hidden than before.

Think about it. Does the government do anything cheaper, in the end, for taxpayers? Especially if you already have access?

It seems to me like the only benefit would be to cover everyone. That means increasing costs, maybe dramatically, to people who already have access.

I like what I pay for the Interstate Highway System

[Cochise]

I like what I pay for the Interstate Highway System

In my view, essential infrastructure like that is one of the few jobs government is meant to do. Is the government meant to be a health care provider? Can it do it better than private industry?

[banyon]

It isn't going to be free. The cost will be more hidden than before.

Think about it. Does the government do anything cheaper, in the end, for taxpayers? Especially if you already have access?

It seems to me like the only benefit would be to cover everyone. That means increasing costs, maybe dramatically, to people who already have access.

Every government in the world that provides universal health care does it for much less than our insurance-friendly system costs. They also have better performance records, though to be fair there are a lot of extraneous variables at work there.

[Cochise]

Every government in the world that provides universal health care does it for much less than our insurance-friendly system costs. They also have better performance records, though to be fair there are a lot of extraneous variables at work there.

Flaws built into the current system don't necessarily mean that it needs to be scrapped altogether.

This is from what I used to hear 1/7th of the entire US economy. Overpriced product, to be sure. But is a massive government annexation of that magnitude going to be good, in the end?

This is probably the biggest big-government idea anyone ever dreamed of.

[banyon]

Flaws built into the current system don't necessarily mean that it needs to be scrapped altogether.

This is from what I used to hear 1/7th of the entire US economy. Overpriced product, to be sure. But is a massive government annexation of that magnitude going to be good, in the end?

I'm convinced by the results in other countries that there's no reason it couldn't work here. That being said, you are right that there is more than 1 way to approach the problem and I am open to other ideas.

[redbrian]

I know quite a few people and this is not accurate. Regular medical care is of a good quality. However if you need specialized surgery/procedures that is where the waiting lists come into play. Supposedly care varies from province to province as well.

When I say treatment I am not talking about the every day to day office visit, I am talking about needing a specialist of any kind, its head south or take a number and wait.

[MarcBulger]

THink how high Canadian taxes would be if they had to have our military.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm convinced by the results in other countries that there's no reason it couldn't work here. That being said, you are right that there is more than 1 way to approach the problem and I am open to other ideas.

The *main* problem with socialized health care as I see it in comparison to other countries is our population. It's unfair to compare the 300+million people in the US to 33 million in Canada.

I spent a month touring all over Canada in 1993 and believe me, those people need socialized health care. They smoke and drink their friggin' brains out, 24-7. Cigarettes were like $8 a pack back then (I've never smoked but other guys were complaining about it) and on a recent trip to Vancouver, a case of beer was like $40! You can only buy beer at an authorized, state office called "The Beer Store" and it's taxed so heavily.

I just don't see how socialized medicine could happen without an enormous tax burden on the average American, especially seeing the taxes in countries where it exists.

[BucEyedPea]

As a matter of fact I was just talking to a girl from Sweden yesterday. I asked her about their health system. She said the young people in Sweden hate socialism...it gives them no future. She said the old people like it because it takes care of them BUT her grandfather who is 84, has waited 7 years for knee surgery. They schedule the young before the old and still there's a two year wait for some things. Sukks!

[banyon]

As a matter of fact I was just talking to a girl from Sweden yesterday. I asked her about their health system. She said the young people in Sweden hate socialism...it gives them no future. She said the old people like it because it takes care of them BUT her grandfather who is 84, has waited 7 years for knee surgery. They schedule the young before the old and still there's a two year wait for some things. Sukks!

I would think that is preferable to not having the operation at all.

Also there is no reason our private system can't exist alongside a public one.

[banyon]

The *main* problem with socialized health care as I see it in comparison to other countries is our population. It's unfair to compare the 300+million people in the US to 33 million in Canada.

I spent a month touring all over Canada in 1993 and believe me, those people need socialized health care. They smoke and drink their friggin' brains out, 24-7. Cigarettes were like $8 a pack back then (I've never smoked but other guys were complaining about it) and on a recent trip to Vancouver, a case of beer was like $40! You can only buy beer at an authorized, state office called "The Beer Store" and it's taxed so heavily.

I just don't see how socialized medicine could happen without an enormous tax burden on the average American, especially seeing the taxes in countries where it exists.

Life Expectancy:

Canada 79.4

United States 77.1

Scoreboard.

[BucEyedPea]

I would think that is preferable to not having the operation at all.

Also there is no reason our private system can't exist alongside a public one.
He can get it if he pays for it. I believe,but am not certain one can buy supplementary insurance in England. I am almost certain, however, that Hillary-care had anyone over 65 denied outright and no legal right to purchase supplementary insurance. Just die 'cause the state can't support you. What a nazi!

[banyon]

He can get it if he pays for it. I believe,but am not certain one can buy supplementary insurance in England. I am almost certain, however, that Hillary-care had anyone over 65 denied outright and no legal right to purchase supplementary insurance. Just die 'cause the state can't support you. What a nazi!

That doesn't sound right. Any politician would realize that you can't pass something without the oldsters' support, it's politically untenable. I looked around and found many criticisms, but this wasn't one of them.

[BucEyedPea]

That doesn't sound right. Any politician would realize that you can't pass something without the oldsters' support, it's politically untenable. I looked around and found many criticisms, but this wasn't one of them.
I did read that at the time. It wasn't reported I guess in certain channels. Nevertheless, she did wind up rewriting the Medicaid rules to get more free healthcare too...including via the public schools. The ole Fabian incremental approach until the day of doom arrives. Guess that wasn't reported either.


Sigh! All the news that fits to print I guess.

[Velvet_Jones]

I would think that is preferable to not having the operation at all.

Also there is no reason our private system can't exist alongside a public one.
So we are going to pit the rich against the poor again. I thought you were pro-poor?

[banyon]

So we are going to pit the rich against the poor again. I thought you were pro-poor?

I'm sorry. I can't make any sense of this.

Yes, I'd like poor people to have medical coverage if that's what you are getting at.

[Stinger]

And corporations always have the best interest of the consumer at heart :rolleyes:

Just curious how the government in the past has done on medical research and treatment, and the inventions of new treatments compaired to the private sector. We get so bogged down talking about HMO's and PPO's but IMO this would possibly be the greatest loss if we went to a socialized healt care system.

[Calcountry]

It isn't going to be free. The cost will be more hidden than before.

Think about it. Does the government do anything cheaper, in the end, for taxpayers? Especially if you already have access?

It seems to me like the only benefit would be to cover everyone. That means increasing costs, maybe dramatically, to people who already have access.THey need to tax the rich, they can afford to pay for my health care.

[Velvet_Jones]

Hmmmm. Socialized healthcare seems to be working fine in teh UK.

linky (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=416187&in_page_id=1774&67)

[slappyhappy]

THey need to tax the rich, they can afford to pay for my health care.

Health Care costs are getting insanely high. The company I work for pays 90% of my insurance costs, which is nice. So therefore I payout about 70 a month for my health insurance. Then doing the math, 700 a month is what my insurance would cost. I'm 34 year old single male, non -smoker and that's how much my premium is? That's just outrageous! :cuss:

[patteeu]

Health Care costs are getting insanely high. The company I work for pays 90% of my insurance costs, which is nice. So therefore I payout about 70 a month for my health insurance. Then doing the math, 700 a month is what my insurance would cost. I'm 34 year old single male, non -smoker and that's how much my premium is? That's just outrageous! :cuss:

How much is good healthcare worth to you? Do you expect me to pick up your tab?

[slappyhappy]

How much is good healthcare worth to you?

I'm in good health, non-smoker, no medications am I taking.... So you think $700 a month is legit???


Do you expect me to pick up your tab?

Did I ask you to pay my bill? No I don't think so! :shake:

[Brock]

I'm in good health, non-smoker, no medications am I taking.... So you think $700 a month is legit???




Did I ask you to pay my bill? No I don't think so! :shake:

You are paying for all the deadbeats out there. Imagine how great it will be when the government takes it over.

[slappyhappy]

You are paying for all the deadbeats out there. Imagine how great it will be when the government takes it over.


That's what scares me even more.

[Ash]

I just got of the hospital today so I have some thoughts to contribute.

I feel lucky I purchased temp health insurance to fill the gaps between jobs as I was recently laid off.If I had choosen not to go the hospital I would have died.

I can really sympathize with the 40 million americans without healthcare because they cannot afford it or there workplace does not provide it.

I wonder how much healthcare cost are increased by the number of people who do not have insurance and get sicker because they wait untill a condition is worse because of no primary care provider and end up in the hospital with no insurance.

I guess Im feeling lucky I did not fall through the cracks like so many people seem to do today because health insurance is so expensive.

I think this country could come to some kind of comprimise on the issue and get some sort of coverage for every american it just seems to be the human thing to do.

[DaneMcCloud]

Life Expectancy:

Canada 79.4

United States 77.1

Scoreboard.

Are you trying to say that this is because of Socialized Medicine? Seriously?

[banyon]

Are you trying to say that this is because of Socialized Medicine? Seriously?

I think post #31 makes that pretty clear, but those figures certainly don't show that Canadian health care is greatly inferior to our own either.

[patteeu]

I'm in good health, non-smoker, no medications am I taking.... So you think $700 a month is legit???

Lots of people are in good health up until the day they find out they have a catastrophic disease or the day they have a horrible car accident. Lou Gehrig was in pretty good health being a professional athlete and all, until he found out he had ALS. One minute Christopher Reeves was on top of the world and on top of a horse and the next minute he needed extraodinarily expensive healthcare for the rest of his life. I'd bet my life that there are similar examples among the posters here at ChiefsPlanet. I could go on and on and on, but you get the idea.

Did I ask you to pay my bill? No I don't think so! :shake:

You did if what you are asking for is a government program to lower the cost of your health insurance.

[patteeu]

I just got of the hospital today so I have some thoughts to contribute.

I feel lucky I purchased temp health insurance to fill the gaps between jobs as I was recently laid off.If I had choosen not to go the hospital I would have died.

I can really sympathize with the 40 million americans without healthcare because they cannot afford it or there workplace does not provide it.

I wonder how much healthcare cost are increased by the number of people who do not have insurance and get sicker because they wait untill a condition is worse because of no primary care provider and end up in the hospital with no insurance.

I guess Im feeling lucky I did not fall through the cracks like so many people seem to do today because health insurance is so expensive.

I think this country could come to some kind of comprimise on the issue and get some sort of coverage for every american it just seems to be the human thing to do.

This should be a lesson to those people who choose not to carry health insurance because they think they are healthy enough to get by without it more than a lesson for all of us to pool our resources to give them free or subsidized coverage.