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DeezNutz
12-10-2006, 08:45 PM
J shows restraint b/c of Lamar's health, which suggests that his condition might be particularly grave now. But Gonzo's statement is a little surprising, as is JW's slap at Law (only b/c of his previous man crush). Proceed with the following: First good column in a long time...Hate to say I agree with (insert fat joke)...blah, blah, blah. ;)

Ravens show why Chiefs need to make some changes
By Jason Whitlock

McClatchy Newspapers

(MCT)

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - When it was over, after Kansas City football fans had been treated to three hours of undeniable proof of the Chiefs' playoff unworthiness, Brian Waters sat at his locker stall and preached that the season isn't over.

Waters is a warrior and a terrific leader, so his pronouncements didn't ring hollow.

But words cannot erase what we witnessed on Sunday. A real playoff team, the Baltimore Ravens, invaded Arrowhead Stadium, undressed the Chiefs and ended a decade-long December streak.

The Ravens abused KC's offensive line and Trent Green, torched the Chiefs' zone pass defense and ended Kansas City's December home winning streak with relative ease.

Ravens 20, Chiefs 10.

The Chiefs hadn't lost inside Arrowhead Stadium in December since 1996. Significant? Absolutely. The loss signifies that it's time for the Chiefs to go a different direction in terms of player personnel and, quite possibly, the people acquiring the personnel.

The Chiefs, the franchise that owned this city in the 1990s, have grown terribly stale.

We've seen this same act for 10 straight years. The Chiefs, 7-6, are always just good enough to make us believe that they might be able to sneak into the playoffs. Eight times out of 10 - and I mean this literally - the Chiefs aren't good enough to back into the playoffs, and they're certainly no threat to win a Super Bowl.

You're tired of it. I'm tired of it. And, when the players are being bone honest, they're tired, too.

"I wouldn't be bitter if they let me go," perennial Pro Bowl tight end Tony Gonzalez told me when the locker room cleared out.

Gonzalez is headed for a contract showdown with the Chiefs. He's analyzed the roster, considered KC's inability to take the next step, looked at all the young ascending players who need to get paid - Larry Johnson, Kawika Mitchell, Jared Allen - and reached the conclusion that this could be a volatile offseason in Kansas City.

Gonzalez stressed that he'd like to remain in KC.

"But right now, to me, winning is more important (than staying in KC)," Gonzalez said.

Gonzalez sounded the way Marty Schottenheimer sounded at the end of his 10-year run in Kansas City. For a decade, Gonzalez has given the Chiefs everything, and he's been rewarded with two one-and-done playoff seasons and eight years of false hope.

He sounded like a confident professional open to the idea of trying it somewhere else before his skills decline. Gonzalez's good friend, Shannon Sharpe, left Denver after 10 years and won another Super Bowl in Baltimore.

You can't blame Gonzalez for pondering the thought of playing in New Orleans, Seattle or Denver.

The Chiefs have a lot of holes to fill, and it's going to take plenty of cap space to fill those holes. The Chiefs need two defensive tackles, a young corner to replace Ty FLaw (and Ty, I still think you're a Hall of Famer; you just let me down this year), another linebacker, a No. 1 receiver, a right tackle, a fullback and, maybe, a new starting quarterback.

Hey, that's no shot at Trent Green, who had an awful game on Sunday. It's a statement about Green's age and where the Chiefs are headed. Herm Edwards believes Brodie Croyle is Kansas City's quarterback of the future (2008).

If that's the case, you can get a one-year, veteran quarterback cheaper than Green. Or maybe some other team - Carolina, Washington - would give up something of value for Green in a trade.

My point is the Chiefs should be open to every possibility this offseason. They don't need one or two pieces to contend. They need an injection of new blood and energy.

Today I'm not going to call for Carl Peterson to step down. Given Lamar Hunt's health situation and what the Hunt family is dealing with at this time, it's an inappropriate time to make those sorts of demands.

And maybe Carl just needs to surrender his general-manager duties. Maybe he still has value as a president and CEO. Also, I'd like to hear from Carl about why this organization has grown stale since Schottenheimer bolted.

Not even Peterson can deny that it's time for major changes in Kansas City.

DeezNutz
12-10-2006, 08:51 PM
I understand where Tony G's coming from; JW is talking to him moments after a near season-ending loss. Of course he's pissed, but the comment, however, is a little too close to sounding like quiting on his teammates for my tastes. It's similar to how the media folks blasted Tiki Barber for announcing his retirement mid-season.

ChiefsCountry
12-10-2006, 08:53 PM
Today I'm not going to call for Carl Peterson to step down. Given Lamar Hunt's health situation and what the Hunt family is dealing with at this time, it's an inappropriate time to make those sorts of demands.

And maybe Carl just needs to surrender his general-manager duties. Maybe he still has value as a president and CEO. Also, I'd like to hear from Carl about why this organization has grown stale since Schottenheimer bolted.

Not even Peterson can deny that it's time for major changes in Kansas City.

This part makes sense actually especially with Lamar's health. I agree with the gm part, promote Bill Kuharich to gm. He did a pretty good job with the Saints, even though they did the stupid thing by trading everyone for Ricky Williams. I think that was Dikta and Tom Benson's doing though.

stevieray
12-10-2006, 08:53 PM
would anyone blame him for leaving?


I know I couldn't do it.

siberian khatru
12-10-2006, 08:55 PM
And maybe Carl just needs to surrender his general-manager duties. Maybe he still has value as a president and CEO.

A lot of us have been saying this for years.

Not even Peterson can deny that it's time for major changes in Kansas City.

Wanna bet?

Deberg_1990
12-10-2006, 08:58 PM
maybe, a new starting quarterback.

Hey, that's no shot at Trent Green, who had an awful game on Sunday. It's a statement about Green's age and where the Chiefs are headed. Herm Edwards believes Brodie Croyle is Kansas City's quarterback of the future (2008).

If that's the case, you can get a one-year, veteran quarterback cheaper than Green. Or maybe some other team - Carolina, Washington - would give up something of value for Green in a trade.



Thats interesting...i was thinking pretty much the same things just an hour or so ago.....


Its probably time for Green to move on as well. Get a new offense installed here.

Wile_E_Coyote
12-10-2006, 08:58 PM
What Peterson has to do is juggle enough change to keep the fan base. But not to much to lose the one major thing he has brought to KC, the fan base.

He's gotten away with it for a long time. If they rebuild, will they still come?

Iowanian
12-10-2006, 08:58 PM
The unfortunate thing is, the Chiefs won't have any leverage to get anything out of Gonzalez....Its too bad he wasn't under contract and tradeable....so he doesn't end up in Denver.

Whitlock's column could be cliff notes of the past 2 weeks of Chiefsplanet.

DeezNutz
12-10-2006, 09:00 PM
would anyone blame him for leaving?


I know I couldn't do it.

Considering that he doesn't make his home in KC, I guess not. But wouldn't it be refreshing for a big-name athlete to feel some sense of loyalty and obligation to a community? Maybe I'm just too old school, but if I see Tony G. in a Donks uniform, I'll puke all over my shoes.

My quick answer to your question: yes, f--- 'em.

the Talking Can
12-10-2006, 09:02 PM
he just copied my post...


anyways, I now hope we let Gonzo go...he deserves to win, and we need to rebuild....I hope CP can get over his ego make hard decisions - gonzo gone, Green gone - but I doubt it....

we'll cling to Green, keep Gunther, and probably over pay for Tony...and spend another year going no where...

shaneo69
12-10-2006, 09:02 PM
Whitlock: "And maybe Carl just needs to surrender his general-manager duties. Maybe he still has value as a president and CEO."

No. As long as Carl is in the organization, he will be calling the shots. Kind of like Bobby Clarke with the Flyers.

He needs to separate himself completely from the franchise. Then Clark Hunt needs to go through a full search process for someone new to run the franchise, not just promote Carl cronies Kuharich and Thum.

siberian khatru
12-10-2006, 09:05 PM
he just copied my post...


anyways, I now hope we let Gonzo go...he deserves to win, and we need to rebuild....I hope CP can get over his ego make hard decisions - gonzo gone, Green gone - but I doubt it....

we'll cling to Green, keep Gunther, and probably over pay for Tony...and spend another year going no where...

Yep. "Rebuild" is not in Carl's vocabulary.

GoodDaySir!
12-10-2006, 09:07 PM
Tony will look great in orange and blue.

DaKCMan AP
12-10-2006, 09:07 PM
The unfortunate thing is, the Chiefs won't have any leverage to get anything out of Gonzalez....Its too bad he wasn't under contract and tradeable....so he doesn't end up in Denver.

Whitlock's column could be cliff notes of the past 2 weeks of Chiefsplanet.

It may piss him off, but if he's set on leaving then slap the franchise tag on him. The price can't be that bad since TE's aren't among the NFL's highest paid positions. At least we'd be guaranteed something in return.

Iowanian
12-10-2006, 09:08 PM
Carl isn't going to "rebuild".

He's got 3 years left on his contract, he's built his foundation and knows his legacy is a shitty post season record. He'll try to fill some gaps, bring in 2-3 FAs and WILL re-sign Gonzalez, because he's "one of his sons".

I like Green being here, and wouldn't call for him to be gone at this point, but if its indeed time to rebuild...and Shields retires, 88 is gone.....I'll wager Green would have some decent value to a team like Chicago.

BigRock
12-10-2006, 09:08 PM
It's a pretty sad statement that there's more of a sense of optimism surrounding the Royals right now than there is around the Chiefs. At least the Royals have new blood on top and appear to be making some changes. Take note, Carl.

Speaking of the Royals, though, there's a glaring example on that team of why Tony Gonzalez shouldn't feel the slightest bit of loyalty to KC. Do you really think he wants to end up like Mike Sweeney? Stick around in KC and get dumped on a few years after he signs his last big contract?

Iowanian
12-10-2006, 09:09 PM
Tony will look great in orange and blue.

You'd look good with your frankandbeans gorilla glued to a train track, a butter knife in your hand and an amtrack heading your way.

Simplex3
12-10-2006, 09:09 PM
What Peterson has to do is juggle enough change to keep the fan base. But not to much to lose the one major thing he has brought to KC, the fan base.

He's gotten away with it for a long time. If they rebuild, will they still come?
Note to the Chiefs:

You show me that you're willing to admit your mistakes, drop the aging weight, and put some exciting and promising young players on the field and I'll do something I haven't done in over 5 years:

Buy a ticket.

milkman
12-10-2006, 09:10 PM
Tony will look great in orange and blue.

Nobody looks good in that sorryass color scheme.

ChiefsCountry
12-10-2006, 09:11 PM
It's a pretty sad statement that there's more of a sense of optimism surrounding the Royals right now than there is around the Chiefs. At least the Royals have new blood on top and appear to be making some changes. Take note, Carl.

Speaking of the Royals, though, there's a glaring example on that team of why Tony Gonzalez shouldn't feel the slightest bit of loyalty to KC. Do you really think he wants to end up like Mike Sweeney? Stick around in KC and get dumped on a few years after he signs his last big contract?

Ironcially does this seem like late 1988? Royals the king pin of town, Chiefs been in the dumbs since the early 70's hire the brash young highly regarded GM who decides to do things his way.

Easy 6
12-10-2006, 09:11 PM
Ty FLaw... LMAO , thats rich. The guy IS due for some flak.

Only parts i disagree with...

1) Getting rid of Trent, he's got another good year before the wheels fall off. I'm in NO hurry to see Croyle.

2) Needing a FB, Bigfoot will only improve on his surprising play next year.
Another year in the weight room, another year to refine blocking technique & we will have a FB with a unique skill-set.

ChiefsCountry
12-10-2006, 09:11 PM
Nobody looks good in that sorryass color scheme.

Jake Plummer does.

Wile_E_Coyote
12-10-2006, 09:11 PM
Note to the Chiefs:

You show me that you're willing to admit your mistakes, drop the aging weight, and put some exciting and promising young players on the field and I'll do something I haven't done in over 5 years:

Buy a ticket.

just over 79,000 more to go

Simplex3
12-10-2006, 09:11 PM
The unfortunate thing is, the Chiefs won't have any leverage to get anything out of Gonzalez....Its too bad he wasn't under contract and tradeable....so he doesn't end up in Denver.
The way their rookie TE played today I don't see Dungver paying a ton for Gonzo.

Whitlock's column could be cliff notes of the past 2 weeks of Chiefsplanet.
It's like he has an account here or something.

Iowanian
12-10-2006, 09:13 PM
Its just a matter of time before his column shows up with the "cover who" defense reference.

Count Alex's Losses
12-10-2006, 09:14 PM
I'm very selfish, so I want to see Gonzalez retire a Chief. Although I bet Washington would give us a 1st for Green....I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.

Simplex3
12-10-2006, 09:14 PM
It's a pretty sad statement that there's more of a sense of optimism surrounding the Royals right now than there is around the Chiefs. At least the Royals have new blood on top and appear to be making some changes. Take note, Carl.
This is simple. The Royals finally took a look at their futility and hired one of the best young GMs in the game. If the Chiefs would do that in the off-season they'd be the toast of the town again.

milkman
12-10-2006, 09:15 PM
Ty FLaw... LMAO , thats rich. The guy IS due for some flak.

Someone around here has been using the name "Ty Flaw" for at least a couple of weeks.

Guru
12-10-2006, 09:17 PM
Someone around here has been using the name "Ty Flaw" for at least a couple of weeks.
Wouldn't be the first time he stole somebodies nickname. He didn't make up Tr-INT back in 2001 either.

leviw
12-10-2006, 09:17 PM
It's a pretty sad statement that there's more of a sense of optimism surrounding the Royals right now than there is around the Chiefs. At least the Royals have new blood on top and appear to be making some changes. Take note, Carl.

Speaking of the Royals, though, there's a glaring example on that team of why Tony Gonzalez shouldn't feel the slightest bit of loyalty to KC. Do you really think he wants to end up like Mike Sweeney? Stick around in KC and get dumped on a few years after he signs his last big contract?

Wow, there are some awful comparisons in there, BigRock. First, you are comparing football to baseball. Secondly, Gonzalez has already signed one extension in KC and has produced every year. Sweeney has signed one and hasn't done shit since.

I would hate to see TG in any color by Chiefs' red, but like any aging vet, he wants to taste the Super Bowl. Realistically, the Chiefs future in that area doesn't look to hot, right now. Of course, money speaks louder than anything else.

stevieray
12-10-2006, 09:27 PM
Tony will look great in orange and blue.

:rolleyes:

and you look good in red and gold.

Guru
12-10-2006, 09:30 PM
:rolleyes:

and you look good in red and gold.
I never did get to see your ride today. Any pics available of it?

BigRock
12-10-2006, 09:30 PM
Wow, there are some awful comparisons in there, BigRock.
Really? I think they're pretty good.

First, you are comparing football to baseball.
Um... yeah. So? They're both teams in Kansas City. Neither of them has won anything in forever. One has finally made some changes on top and, maybe, possibly, perhaps, are embarking on the right path. The other, as Whitlock's column covered, is stuck in the same rut they've been in for years upon years now.

There's more of a sense of optimism for the future around the Royals right now than there is around the Chiefs. The fact that they're different sports has no relevance.

Secondly, Gonzalez has already signed one extension in KC and has produced every year. Sweeney has signed one and hasn't done shit since.
Tony's numbers are going to start going down eventually. It's just a fact of life. If he stays with KC out of loyalty, and the team keeps on going nowhere while Tony has a big cap number and declining production, he'll be the next whipping boy for the fans until the Chiefs win the Super Bowl or he retires, whichever comes first.

stevieray
12-10-2006, 09:31 PM
I never did get to see your ride today. Any pics available of it?

i'll get some up this week...nice meeting you today.

Guru
12-10-2006, 09:36 PM
i'll get some up this week...nice meeting you today.

Great meeting you also. Had always seen pics and video of ya at games. Now I can tell everyone I know, you really are nuts. ;)

stevieray
12-10-2006, 09:38 PM
Great meeting you also. Had always seen pics and video of ya at games. Now I can tell everyone I know, you really are nuts. ;)

damn straight.

dj56dt58
12-10-2006, 10:06 PM
he just copied my post...


anyways, I now hope we let Gonzo go...he deserves to win, and we need to rebuild....I hope CP can get over his ego make hard decisions - gonzo gone, Green gone - but I doubt it....

we'll cling to Green, keep Gunther, and probably over pay for Tony...and spend another year going no where...
Problem is Kc never rebuilds. Rebuilding would mean losing seasons which means less ticket/merchandise sells, which eans less money. something Carl won't have

the Talking Can
12-10-2006, 10:09 PM
Problem is Kc never rebuilds. Rebuilding would mean losing seasons which means less ticket/merchandise sells, which eans less money. something Carl won't have

uh, that's exactly what I said in the last line of my post

chiefsfan1963
12-10-2006, 10:12 PM
Sad but true. 7-9 will be a good thing for this franchise.

dj56dt58
12-10-2006, 10:13 PM
uh, that's exactly what I said in the last line of my post
was I supposed to read it or something?

KChiefs1
12-10-2006, 10:16 PM
time to clean house

Deberg_1990
12-10-2006, 10:17 PM
1) Getting rid of Trent, he's got another good year before the wheels fall off. I'm in NO hurry to see Croyle.



I agree, Trent can still play, but honestly its not working. There is no point in keeping him here while we rebuild.


Its time for him to move on.....

Thig Lyfe
12-10-2006, 10:20 PM
Pretty good column.

In all truthfulness, only LJ, Jared, Tamba, DJ, Waters, and Colquitt absolutely need to be kept. Everybody else --and I mean everybody-- is expendable.

Even though I love Trent and Tony, and think Kawika is becoming a very good player, there's no sense in overpaying for them or taking up cap space that could be used to build from the ground up.

DeezNutz
12-10-2006, 10:22 PM
I agree, Trent can still play, but honestly its not working. There is no point in keeping him here while we rebuild.


Its time for him to move on.....

I just posted this in another thread, but I'll toss it here too to get more responses--if one can lower himself to speak to a noob, that is. ;)

Trent's looked like hell since his return, even in the 4 td game last week. The stat line, was very misleading in this case. I'm beginning to think that, much like Dante, Trent is greatly missing the tears and hugs he routinely received from Grandpa. Don't get me wrong, Trent's a solid player and a better person, and he's certainly not a punk that will cry to the media, but I think he's out of his element and it shows.

Easy 6
12-10-2006, 10:41 PM
I agree, Trent can still play, but honestly its not working. There is no point in keeping him here while we rebuild.


Its time for him to move on.....


I guess i'm just not ready for the R word yet. I feel like we can junk a lot of dead weight, have a great draft & pickup a meaningful FA or 2 & go with it in '07.

The thought of a full-on rebuild really sucks to me.

Deberg_1990
12-10-2006, 10:46 PM
The thought of a full-on rebuild really sucks to me.

Not to me. Just like Whitlock said, this organization has become stale and safe.


Its time for a serious shakeup. They have tried everything else but that and nothing has worked.

Direckshun
12-10-2006, 10:46 PM
You can't blame Gonzalez for pondering the thought of playing in New Orleans, Seattle or Denver.
Oh yes I can.

I still blame Neil Smith.

BigRock
12-10-2006, 11:05 PM
How did Denver even get into the discussion? Like they're about to win anything?

dirk digler
12-10-2006, 11:16 PM
Yep I have to agree with Whitlock and alot of people on here. Carl has to go and we need to clean house top to bottom.

Mecca
12-10-2006, 11:26 PM
I guess i'm just not ready for the R word yet. I feel like we can junk a lot of dead weight, have a great draft & pickup a meaningful FA or 2 & go with it in '07.

The thought of a full-on rebuild really sucks to me.

We aren't winning anything now...........Atleast when you are rebuilding you can point to your young talent where you'll be in a few years and your cap room........our team is just old and declining for the most part.

Otter
12-10-2006, 11:42 PM
We just need to stop buying tickets to see this team.

No, I don't live in MO but have been there for four games over the last six years and if the Chiefs come anywhere between the Patriots out to Pittsburgh and down to Baltimore I go to see them.

(Baltimore is the coolest stadium by the way, so much in walking distance)

Peterson has proven he's not going to change while he has the revenue and isn't capable either way of much better. My last ticket was that cluster **** at Pittsburgh until Peterson is gone.

I bitched and made an idiot out of myself a lot over the last six years on this board with this team but I've never said quit.

Today is "quit" till Peterson is gone for me. You can put that in the bank.

PastorMikH
12-10-2006, 11:53 PM
You can't blame Gonzalez for pondering the thought of playing in New Orleans, Seattle or Denver.





If Tony were to go to Denver I would be very, very disappointed in him. And as much as he has done in KC, if he were to go to Denver I'd feel the same way that I felt about Neil Smith getting Recognition in KC afterwards.

30 other teams out there (well, 29 'cause I'd feel almost the same about the Raiders) and there are only 3-4 TEs that come close to TE so I know 20+ teams would have interest in him if he's not F-Tagged. If he were to choose Denver, that would be worse than a slap in the face.

RedThat
12-10-2006, 11:57 PM
I'd like to see this team keep Gonzo.

He is one of the most consistent players this franchise has had. A sure bet to go to the hall of fame imo. I still think Gonzo has a solid 3-5 years of football left in him. It will be difficult to accept if he were to go.

But, I think he is gone after this year. I hate to say that. But, if he is smart, and wants a chance to win a SB, he is better off somewhere else.

It aint gonna happen in KC. Not as long as Carl is here. He would be wise to play somewhere else.

*For those that think Green has trade value. I have to disagree. Do you really think a team out there is going to give up something for a 36 year old quarterback?

PastorMikH
12-11-2006, 12:06 AM
*For those that think Green has trade value. I have to disagree. Do you really think a team out there is going to give up something for a 36 year old quarterback?



We have.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-11-2006, 12:08 AM
I'd like to see this team keep Gonzo.

He is one of the most consistent players this franchise has had. A sure bet to go to the hall of fame imo. I still think Gonzo has a solid 3-5 years of football left in him. It will be difficult to accept if he were to go.

But, I think he is gone after this year. I hate to say that. But, if he is smart, and wants a chance to win a SB, he is better off somewhere else.

It aint gonna happen in KC. Not as long as Carl is here. He would be wise to play somewhere else.

*For those that think Green has trade value. I have to disagree. Do you really think a team out there is going to give up something for a 36 year old quarterback?

Green is worth a 3rd-4th Rounder to a team like Washington. That's about it. I think McNair sucks, but he only warranted a 4th rounder to a desperate Baltimore team. We probably can't get much more for an older Green coming off a major injury, even though he is clearly a better QB.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-11-2006, 12:09 AM
If Tony were to go to Denver I would be very, very disappointed in him. And as much as he has done in KC, if he were to go to Denver I'd feel the same way that I felt about Neil Smith getting Recognition in KC afterwards.

30 other teams out there (well, 29 'cause I'd feel almost the same about the Raiders) and there are only 3-4 TEs that come close to TE so I know 20+ teams would have interest in him if he's not F-Tagged. If he were to choose Denver, that would be worse than a slap in the face.

Agreed. Tony going to Denver would be just as big of a stab in the back as Neil Smith's defection. Both would (or are...to me) unforgivable.

Chan93lx50
12-11-2006, 12:33 AM
Shitty thing is if we rebuild after this year we are leaving the rebuilding process up to HERM??????

mcan
12-11-2006, 01:13 AM
So....


Anybody out there wish had given Al Saunders a chance to make this team a SuperBowl contender before the door shut on the offense?

I sure do...

BenC1357
12-11-2006, 01:27 AM
So....


Anybody out there wish had given Al Saunders a chance to make this team a SuperBowl contender before the door shut on the offense?

I sure do...
No. Because we would have lost far more games, many in the fashion that we lost in Cleveland. That's just a guess, but a pretty safe one if you ask me.

It is time for Carl to go, but I don't see the Hunts firing him. He'll be here until his contract is up. That, or I guess there is a possibility that if Lamar passes away Clark could come in with the ax.

I think I may be in denial, mostly because I fear the idea of "rebuilding", but it might be time to completely overhaul the roster. It's a risky thing to try. Some teams go into long slumps, something I'm not too thrilled about.

BigRock
12-11-2006, 01:33 AM
So....


Anybody out there wish had given Al Saunders a chance to make this team a SuperBowl contender before the door shut on the offense?

I sure do...
What would Saunders have accomplished that Vermeil couldn't all those years? Does Al have magic defense-fixing beans? And didn't the door close when Roaf retired?

Short Leash Hootie
12-11-2006, 01:45 AM
JIf that's the case, you can get a one-year, veteran quarterback cheaper than Green.
...

Don't we already have one of those?

Braincase
12-11-2006, 06:57 AM
Shitty thing is if we rebuild after this year we are leaving the rebuilding process up to HERM??????

At least he's not the guy that picked up his buddy John Bunting's pet DT project and "The Manlicker".

J Diddy
12-11-2006, 07:09 AM
What would Saunders have accomplished that Vermeil couldn't all those years? Does Al have magic defense-fixing beans? And didn't the door close when Roaf retired?


I don't buy for a moment that this team suddenly turned to shit when roaf retired. Solari and/or herm's offensive game plan is so predictable that my 4 year old son is chomping at the bits hoping he can play linebacker against these guys. If you run the ball 7 times in a row, eventually they are gonna move people in the box. Solari's problem is that when they move people into the box, then he calls a draw rather than playaction.

Baby Lee
12-11-2006, 09:04 AM
If Tony were to go to Denver I would be very, very disappointed in him. And as much as he has done in KC, if he were to go to Denver I'd feel the same way that I felt about Neil Smith getting Recognition in KC afterwards.

30 other teams out there (well, 29 'cause I'd feel almost the same about the Raiders) and there are only 3-4 TEs that come close to TE so I know 20+ teams would have interest in him if he's not F-Tagged. If he were to choose Denver, that would be worse than a slap in the face.
If Tony were to go to Denver, I think it'd the most 'inside' evidence that this team is as dead and done as we think it is from the outside.
Neil was different. Neil was breaking up the band. Gonzo leaving would be more along the lines of the janitor shutting off the lights one last time before they implode the building.
I'd be too preoccupied with mourning the death of the Chiefs to worry about what Gonzo's doing.

Chief Henry
12-11-2006, 09:18 AM
My guess Tony has been wanting to say this for along time imo.

FAX
12-11-2006, 09:20 AM
Go Tony. I do not blame you. I set you free. We've wasted enough spectacular talent in KC. It's time we start fielding the kind of limping, drooling, ignorant morons we hire as coaches.

FAX

the Talking Can
12-11-2006, 09:21 AM
Neil was different. Neil was breaking up the band. Gonzo leaving would be more along the lines of the janitor shutting off the lights one last time before they implode the building.

that's a perfect description

wolfpack0735
12-11-2006, 09:42 AM
in a way they are already rebuilding. they went out and drafted some young players, but they wont hardly play them. the trouble is queen carls idea of rebuilding is getting old vets to plug holes. the old vets name or rep will make the fans hope and fill seats. bottom line money in hunts pockets. a total rebuilding wont fill seats which wont make the hunts pockets as full. i would like to see TG stay. if he left the passing game is al but gone. let KM walk if he wants to much money.