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Logical
12-12-2006, 01:48 AM
I think some here misunderstand my intent as being a hater of people who are believers. If you have been around a long time you would have seen me defend many different religious types from the bigotry of so called Christians.

I personally believe there is a creator(s) but I also suffer from the illogical nature of the idea where did they come from?

So being as we are approaching a religious season for most religions I select this time to apologize for any hurt I may have caused any of the posters on this BB who mean well.

This is a thread not intended to stir the shit so hopefully it can stay in the Lounge.

Guru
12-12-2006, 02:00 AM
Hey Vlad. No offense here. To each their own. The way it always should be.

oaklandhater
12-12-2006, 02:05 AM
Hey Vlad. No offense here. To each their own. The way it always should be.


I also agree to each his own but some ppl on the Planet make fun of religion just to be an ass Cough Gochiefs cough.

ClevelandBronco
12-12-2006, 02:20 AM
What a relief. We've been waiting 2,000 years or so for your approval. I guess we can go global now.

Logical
12-12-2006, 02:24 AM
What a relief. We've been waiting 2,000 years or so for your approval. I guess we can go global now.Thanks rookie Donx fan, today you are a man.

KCChiefsMan
12-12-2006, 03:31 AM
I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people.........for every 1,000 "church people" that I've encountered, 900 of them are terrible/stupid/a$$hole people.

Fairplay
12-12-2006, 03:40 AM
As long as your interests, don't conflict my interests.

Guru
12-12-2006, 03:42 AM
I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people.........for every 1,000 "church people" that I've encountered, 900 of them are terrible/stupid/a$$hole people.
Glad I will fall in the 100 you will like then.

KcMizzou
12-12-2006, 03:54 AM
I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people.........for every 1,000 "church people" that I've encountered, 900 of them are terrible/stupid/a$$hole people.The fact is, the people who aren't like that, you don't notice. You only notice the pushy ones.

KcMizzou
12-12-2006, 04:11 AM
I don't know what I believe, to be honest. I dont think we spawned out of the sludge by mere coincidence... yet, I also find it highly doubtful that's someone's sitting upstairs pulling all the strings.

The thought that there's nothing else after this... that it just ends... scares the shit out of me. I guess in the end, I try not to think about it much.

I try to "do the right thing", not because I'm worried about punishment in the afterlife, but because it's how I hope everyone will behave. We need guidelines, of course. I figure if I live my life as a basically good person, other people will generally be good to me.

I hope there's an afterlife, and I hope that it will be good to me too. I also hope it's not that hard to get in... because I dont really have much faith... just hope.

Taco John
12-12-2006, 04:20 AM
We banned GoChiefs for a month last year after he made some horrible crack at Jesus about a week before Christmas. I don't remember what it was... I want to say it was something about being molested in the manger or something. Hell I don't know. That doesn't sound right. It was terrible though. Man, oh Man did I get some complaints about that one.

oaklandhater
12-12-2006, 04:28 AM
We banned GoChiefs for a month last year after he made some horrible crack at Jesus about a week before Christmas. I don't remember what it was... I want to say it was something about being molested in the manger or something. Hell I don't know. That doesn't sound right. It was terrible though. Man, oh Man did I get some complaints about that one.


Gochiefs acts has if he is Above every one who believes in religion.

chagrin
12-12-2006, 04:55 AM
judgemental...that I've encountered, 900 of them are terrible/stupid/a$$hole people.



Pot and kettle dude :shake:

plbrdude
12-12-2006, 06:24 AM
Pot and kettle dude :shake:


quite observant there

chagrin
12-12-2006, 06:36 AM
quite observant there


I don't know, it's just that I hear that garbage all the time, it's the age old argument for someone who gets a bad taste from some over-zealous of maybe misguided Christian.

It's almost like a chapter in the Atheist Debator's Handbook (which I owned at one point in my life actually) the crux of their argument is "well, you can't see Jesus, how do you know he's there...you can't prove it..."

same ole same ole. Or they meet 15 "church people" of the same nature, or a church girl denies them a date, and all of the sudden all "church people" or Christians are jerks - we are all hypocrites in some ways.

stevieray
12-12-2006, 07:05 AM
Everyone has freedom from religion...or even Christ himself.

That's why it's called faith.

Anyone here think they can show or prove how much they love their kids?

Dave Lane
12-12-2006, 07:08 AM
I do think if there really is a creator its not one man has made up.

Dave

PastorMikH
12-12-2006, 07:15 AM
I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people......



Says the guy that chooses to give good or bad service to the people he serves food to by what they are wearing when they walk in and sit down at his table. ("If you are wearing a cowboy hat and boots I'm spitting in your food 'cause I know you won't tip me later")

PastorMikH
12-12-2006, 07:19 AM
FWIW Jim, I don't think I've ever felt offended at anything I've read from you. I have pretty much gathered where you stand based on your posts, but to me you've at least presented yourself in a respectful manner (at least in comparison to some of the other posters.:p)

I also hope I haven't come accross to you in any negative way as you indicated some have.

ZepSinger
12-12-2006, 07:49 AM
Jim- from what comments I've gathered from you(none of which I would call hateful or opinionated), I'd call you a seeker.. someone open to the idea of a power higher than us, but quite skeptical all the same.

Far from being offended, my church is geared towards people just like you. We welcome those who don't know what to believe, if anything. True Christians are not judgmental- in fact we're loaded with the same problems and hangups as anyone, with no room or right to judge anyone. Those who do can count hypocrisy amongst their own faults.

Z

jspchief
12-12-2006, 07:54 AM
I don't like religious people.

But that's mostly because I live in a town with a bible college and I can bank on them coming to my house to push it on me about 6 times per year.

InChiefsHell
12-12-2006, 08:01 AM
I don't know, it's just that I hear that garbage all the time, it's the age old argument for someone who gets a bad taste from some over-zealous of maybe misguided Christian.

It's almost like a chapter in the Atheist Debator's Handbook (which I owned at one point in my life actually) the crux of their argument is "well, you can't see Jesus, how do you know he's there...you can't prove it..."

same ole same ole. Or they meet 15 "church people" of the same nature, or a church girl denies them a date, and all of the sudden all "church people" or Christians are jerks - we are all hypocrites in some ways.

Seconded. REP.

Saulbadguy
12-12-2006, 08:01 AM
I don't mind religion, or religious people. You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. I don't really give a shit, it has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

I don't even think all the bullshit that surround this time of year is religious in nature. Do you think Christmas started November 1st 200 years ago?

Frazod
12-12-2006, 08:02 AM
Sounds like a great place for my religion=masturbation theory.

Religion is like masturbation. If it makes you happy, by all means, partake. But keep it to yourself, and spare me the details. And try not to get any on me.

JonesCrusher
12-12-2006, 08:08 AM
Says the guy that chooses to give good or bad service to the people he serves food to by what they are wearing when they walk in and sit down at his table. ("If you are wearing a cowboy hat and boots I'm spitting in your food 'cause I know you won't tip me later")

The guy made a comment about his dealings with people of faith, he said nothing about hate, why would you equate that to spitting in someone's food. You are confusing stereotyping with malicious intent. We all stereotype to one degree or another we just need to refrain from the hate you describe

JazzzLovr
12-12-2006, 08:12 AM
The guy made a comment about his dealings with people of faith, he said nothing about hate, why would you equate that to spitting in someone's food. You are confusing stereotyping with malicious intent. We all stereotype to one degree or another we just need to refrain from the hate you describe

This is why:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=48814

It starts with post #9 and just goes downhill from there. It seems a little silly to me to see him complaining that certain people are judgmental.

JonesCrusher
12-12-2006, 08:29 AM
2003, talk about a memory, I just hate people with memory's like that.;)

Sorry PastorMikH I had no idea that you were referring to something he said 3 years ago.

I guess I have a lot of reading to do.

PastorMikH
12-12-2006, 08:31 AM
The guy made a comment about his dealings with people of faith, he said nothing about hate, why would you equate that to spitting in someone's food. You are confusing stereotyping with malicious intent. We all stereotype to one degree or another we just need to refrain from the hate you describe


I have not read such a statement from Logical, it's a big Planet and may have occured someplace I have not read. Which thread was it on?


As for KCChiefsman, my response to him has to do with the his making a generalization based on a few people he actualy has encountered. The refference to him spitting in food and providing poor service goes back to the same types of generalizations he's made towards other people in the past. He himself has bragged on the Planet how he would intentionally provide poor service to people based on their appearance when he was employed at a resturaunt in KS.

PastorMikH
12-12-2006, 08:35 AM
2003, talk about a memory, I just hate people with memory's like that.;)

Sorry PastorMikH I had no idea that you were referring to something he said 3 years ago.

I guess I have a lot of reading to do.



You replied while I was typing. Jazzz's comments about him of all people reffering to people being critical of others is exactly what I was making refference to.

Thanks for the thread Jazzz, I really didn't feel like looking for it.:)




We should really have another forum designated "Required Reading Threads" so newer people can get up to speed quicker.:)

JazzzLovr
12-12-2006, 08:38 AM
You replied while I was typing. Jazzz's comments about him of all people reffering to people being critical of others is exactly what I was making refference to.

Thanks for the thread Jazzz, I really didn't feel like looking for it.:)

It's in the Hall of Classics, so it didn't take very long to find.

We should really have another forum designated "Required Reading Threads" so newer people can get up to speed quicker.:)

:)

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 08:39 AM
Sounds like a great place for my religion=masturbation theory.

Religion is like masturbation. If it makes you happy, by all means, partake. But keep it to yourself, and spare me the details. And try not to get any on me.

Interesting...

The thing is: some people think that Christians should just keep to themselves, sit at home in their favorite chair curled up with their leather bound book, and not bother the world. But... when you live with a worldview where people who do not repent and come to faith in Christ are heading towards an eternal hell, you believe that all humans share an equal and intrinsic worth simply for being human, and God has commanded you to be loving and share the Gospel, then you have a hard time just sitting back and keeping out of other people's lives...

If I come up to you on the street or talk to you on your porch and you tell me, "Go away," that's fine--it's your choice, I'll go... But I'm not going to hang back, never approach you, and be worried about offending you...

jidar
12-12-2006, 08:41 AM
Interesting...

The thing is: some people think that Christians should just keep to themselves, sit at home in their favorite chair curled up with their leather bound book, and not bother the world. But... when you live with a worldview where people who do not repent and come to faith in Christ are heading towards an eternal hell, you believe that all humans share an equal and intrinsic worth simply for being human, and God has commanded you to be loving and share the Gospel, then you have a hard time just sitting back and keeping out of other people's lives...

If I come up to you on the street or talk to you on your porch and you tell me, "Go away," that's fine--it's your choice, I'll go... But I'm not going to hang back, never approach you, and be worried about offending you...


and that, is precisely why so many people complain.

jspchief
12-12-2006, 08:48 AM
and that, is precisely why so many people complain.Exactly.

I don't come to your door and try and convince you that god doesn't exist. Please return the courtesy and leave me to my eternal hell. Thanks.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 08:57 AM
Exactly.

I don't come to your door and try and convince you that god doesn't exist. Please return the courtesy and leave me to my eternal hell. Thanks.

Hey, if I ever show up, you can always slam the door in my face...

jspchief
12-12-2006, 09:00 AM
Hey, if I ever show up, you can always slam the door in my face...Yea, and maybe if my barking dog wakes my napping daughter again I'll just let him out to imbed the fear of god deeply into you, and jesus can sew your ass up at the pearly gates.

Your statement shows a clear disregard for my peace, time, and privacy. That's precisely why I harbor ill will towards you people.

jidar
12-12-2006, 09:01 AM
Hey, if I ever show up, you can always slam the door in my face...

hahaha
Honestly I've never been that bothered by it. That sort of thing had pretty much nothing at all to do with my decision when I gave up on faith.

I'd just politely tell you 'appreciated, but no thanks'.

Braincase
12-12-2006, 09:02 AM
I like the old "judge not lest ye be judged" line of thinking. I guess for GoChiefs, he doesn't have to worry about being judged, so he's free to judge whatever he damn well feels like.

My opinion is that he's as asshat. And he'll neg rep me for saying so, and probably call me a hypocrite, saying that I judged him, when in fact, all I did was offer an opinion based on his past actions.

noa
12-12-2006, 09:03 AM
Hey, if I ever show up, you can always slam the door in my face...


Are all the godless heathens who live in the remote areas of this world condemned to eternal hell because you can't make it to their doorsteps to show them the light?

jspchief
12-12-2006, 09:06 AM
Are all the godless heathens who live in the remote areas of this world condemned to eternal hell because you can't make it to their doorsteps to show them the light?Yes, there's probably some man in a remote tribe in some jungle that's never done anything but live his life as a good husband and father that's going to burn in eternal hell because he didn't give 10% of his monthly bananas and monkey teeth to the molester in the biggest hut in the village.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 09:06 AM
Yea, and maybe if my barking dog wakes my napping daughter again I'll just let him out to imbed the fear of god deeply into you, and jesus can sew your ass up at the pearly gates.

If it works for you...

Your statement shows a clear disregard for my peace, time, and privacy. That's precisely why I harbor ill will towards you people.

If you get that upset over someone knocking on your door, then I'd say your ill will runs a little deeper than concern for your peace, time, and privacy...

ChiefFripp
12-12-2006, 09:07 AM
I think some here misunderstand my intent as being a hater of people who are believers. If you have been around a long time you would have seen me defend many different religious types from the bigotry of so called Christians.

I personally believe there is a creator(s) but I also suffer from the illogical nature of the idea where did they come from?

So being as we are approaching a religious season for most religions I select this time to apologize for any hurt I may have caused any of the posters on this BB who mean well.

This is a thread not intended to stir the shit so hopefully it can stay in the Lounge.
I'm like you and believe that humans (atleast at present), can't possibly understand something like the universes' creation/creator. It would be even more impossible than getting an ant to describe the pyramids . It's like asking when time began or what's outside of the universe. These questions simply cannot be answered by the human mind. I mean when you give a monotheist God sex organs, what does that tell you? We create myths for things we can't possibly understand which is why I believe God was created in Man's image...not the other way around.

But I do believe in God. I really have felt the presence of what I would like to think of as benevolent higher being. When you look at the universe, it's very hard to believe that certain things just happen at random, without some higher intelligence guiding them. I have accepted the fact that I am a lower being to this higher intelligence and that the truth will or will not be revealed to me according to its wishes/design. Ego is what makes the human race feel like we are privy to this information.

However, the good thing is. If a being is truly of a higher nature, then it is by default what most humans would be considered good. I doubt a creator of this magnitude would be evil or indifferent.

Frazod
12-12-2006, 09:09 AM
Interesting...

The thing is: some people think that Christians should just keep to themselves, sit at home in their favorite chair curled up with their leather bound book, and not bother the world. But... when you live with a worldview where people who do not repent and come to faith in Christ are heading towards an eternal hell, you believe that all humans share an equal and intrinsic worth simply for being human, and God has commanded you to be loving and share the Gospel, then you have a hard time just sitting back and keeping out of other people's lives...

If I come up to you on the street or talk to you on your porch and you tell me, "Go away," that's fine--it's your choice, I'll go... But I'm not going to hang back, never approach you, and be worried about offending you...
Well, I'm glad you don't know where my porch is.

I have no problem with religion at a fundamental level - instilling base values and character (if it's used that way, as opposed to, say, teaching children it's okay to strap on a bomb and blow children of the wrong god up). But I thoroughly believe that the more organized religion is, the worse it gets. Good luck naming an organization that has caused more suffering and retarded the advancement of our species more than the Catholic Church. I'd really like that 1,000 or so years back. Oh well. No star trekking for me, I guess. Darn.

I see religion (ALL OF THEM) for what it is - a tool for good or evil. It can be used to instill sound values or bend gullable fools to the will of the charismatic. Right or wrong, for better or worse, I have my own views on God, Jesus, heaven and hell, and I really don't care to hear anybody else's at this point.

As for the idea of all non-Christians burning in hell because they haven't been saved, well, sorry, I just don't buy into that. What of the untold millions (billions?) of people who have lived and died since Christ's time who were simply never exposed to Christianity? I am supposed to believe that they all now roast in hell because of geography or upbringing, regardless of how they lived their many lives? Think about it - that's simply preposterous. We are what we're programmed to be by our parents and our communities; it's always been that way. And good and evil certainly transend any human notions of religion.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 09:10 AM
hahaha
Honestly I've never been that bothered by it. That sort of thing had pretty much nothing at all to do with my decision when I gave up on faith.

I'd just politely tell you 'appreciated, but no thanks'.

That's how I find most people to be who don't want to listen. To which I say: "Okay, thanks for your time," and move on...

Though I do understand how some can get really annoying--those who come and try to put their foot in your door and won't go away... heck, I'll even slam the door in their faces... :)

HonestChieffan
12-12-2006, 09:16 AM
Read your post and still have no idea why you made it, why I should care, or why you feel a need to bring this up.

If those who do know Christ and have accepted him were to make posts like this pronouncing our beliefs, people like you would strongly and loudly object.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 09:18 AM
Are all the godless heathens who live in the remote areas of this world condemned to eternal hell because you can't make it to their doorsteps to show them the light?

I'm a Calvinist... my views on that is that God is sovereign and He's going to save whomever He desires to save--He simply uses us as the mouth pieces. Now as such if there are some godless heathens living in a remote area that He wants saved, He'll get a messenger of the Gospel there. On top of that, given the Great Commission of Matthew 28:18ff, I think we should do what we can not just to stand on door steps but also to get people into those remote parts, but ultimately, in the end--the results are up to God.

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 09:19 AM
Bah Humbug LMAO

KC-TBB
12-12-2006, 09:19 AM
Wow, don't know quite what to say here...on one hand it is quite a personel thing (religion) but as a Christian you are asked to tell others about the good news...it is a shame that it is done poorly to where it is a burden or pain to some and they get turned off. I guess I can just say that I don't want to see anyone burn in Hell (whatever that is) and want everyone to be in Heaven (whatever that is)...but most likely we are destined to be what we are. Sometimes events happen that will lead you one way or the other, but typically someone 'beating on your door and berating you about it' wouldnt have worked on me...it was a path that I landed upon myself. But I for sure beleive there is good in the world (i have witnessed it) and bad (i have witnessed it) and have tried both. I have alot more peace of mind in my present lifestyle of being a Christian then I did before that decision was made. I now do not worry about the 'philosphy' of life...if I am wrong...oh well, but if I went the other way and missed out on eternal bless because I was as stubborn as most...that would be extremely misfortunate.

Hope this does not offend anyone...just want to give my viewpoint on the fact that you can be a "Christian" without being 'one of those people'.

Merry Christmas everyone!

ChiefFripp
12-12-2006, 09:21 AM
Read your post and still have no idea why you made it, why I should care, or why you feel a need to bring this up.

If those who do know Christ and have accepted him were to make posts like this pronouncing our beliefs, people like you would strongly and loudly object.
Why would he do that?

Sully
12-12-2006, 09:26 AM
A few people here know (because I've bragged about it numerous times) that my fiance (2.5 weeks to go!!!) is a minister. An intereting thing happened to her a couple of weeks ago.

Her church is in a neighborhood, not on a busy street at all. The church has a huge softball field, a park, a basketball court, a track, and tons of land. At times some of the kids in the neighborhood come and play football or play on the swings, or whatever, but very few in the neighborhood ever come to church, and she's never been able to figure out why. In an effort to bring the neighborhood together, not to proselytize, she has begun having neighborhood watch meeting in her church, to help build a feeling of community. At the first meeting, a hundred people showed up. She didn't say one word to any of them about coming to church, etc, just let the police have the floor and shook some hands. At one point in the evening, she found out that a minister 2 or 3 before she took over was always going door to door trying to goad folks into coming to church, and they ha dalways been afraid that it was what the church was about. The fiance assured them she didn't work that way, and explained to them her idea of ministry (compassion, love, acceptance, etc). Now, since then, more people from the neighborhood have been sprinkled in on Sundays.

Intersting thing I took from that is that more than door to door stuff, just having an open door with no pressure will bring more into the fold than paiing out pamphlets and putting people on the spot in their doorway.

InChiefsHell
12-12-2006, 09:26 AM
Well, I'm glad you don't know where my porch is.

I have no problem with religion at a fundamental level - instilling base values and character (if it's used that way, as opposed to, say, teaching children it's okay to strap on a bomb and blow children of the wrong god up). But I thoroughly believe that the more organized religion is, the worse it gets. Good luck naming an organization that has caused more suffering and retarded the advancement of our species more than the Catholic Church. I'd really like that 1,000 or so years back. Oh well. No star trekking for me, I guess. Darn.

...or an organization that has done more to advance humanity in the realm of charity and faith and morals. The Church herself and the religion itself did not and does not do bad. Its the morons who have had power in the Church from time to time. Kinda sick of hearing about the big bad Catholic church, but I'm getting used to it too. I wish people could be a little more genuine and look at both sides of things.


I see religion (ALL OF THEM) for what it is - a tool for good or evil. It can be used to instill sound values or bend gullable fools to the will of the charismatic. Right or wrong, for better or worse, I have my own views on God, Jesus, heaven and hell, and I really don't care to hear anybody else's at this point.

Fair enough.


As for the idea of all non-Christians burning in hell because they haven't been saved, well, sorry, I just don't buy into that. What of the untold millions (billions?) of people who have lived and died since Christ's time who were simply never exposed to Christianity? I am supposed to believe that they all now roast in hell because of geography or upbringing, regardless of how they lived their many lives?

Well, the Catholic Church does not teach this, so I can't speak to what you mean by that.

patteeu
12-12-2006, 09:26 AM
I don't think you hate people who are religious as much as you love pissing them off by putting their religious beliefs down and ridiculing them for having faith in such things.

DaFace
12-12-2006, 09:27 AM
Sounds like a great place for my religion=masturbation theory.

Religion is like masturbation. If it makes you happy, by all means, partake. But keep it to yourself, and spare me the details. And try not to get any on me.

Awesome. I'll have to remember that. :thumb:

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 09:30 AM
Well, I'm glad you don't know where my porch is.

I'm guessing somewhere in Naperville... :)

I have no problem with religion at a fundamental level - instilling base values and character (if it's used that way, as opposed to, say, teaching children it's okay to strap on a bomb and blow children of the wrong god up). But I thoroughly believe that the more organized religion is, the worse it gets. Good luck naming an organization that has caused more suffering and retarded the advancement of our species more than the Catholic Church. I'd really like that 1,000 or so years back. Oh well. No star trekking for me, I guess. Darn.

I see religion (ALL OF THEM) for what it is - a tool for good or evil. It can be used to instill sound values or bend gullable fools to the will of the charismatic. Right or wrong, for better or worse, I have my own views on God, Jesus, heaven and hell, and I really don't care to hear anybody else's at this point.

Being a Calvinist, I'm also a very "Reformer-minded" protestant (heck, even "worse" I'm a Baptist), so I'm not very big on the Catholic Church as a whole either, though I do have some Catholic friends... That aside, I agree that religion has been used to do great harm, but it has also been used to do great good...one recent example ties in with the Southern Baptist, of which I am a part (in some eyes, I think I just keep digging a bigger hole...)--the convention is the 3rd largest disaster relief organization in the US and mobilizes to provide food, shelter, and aid when events like the tsunami and hurricanes happen... this is something that is difficult to do when you don't have organization...

As for the idea of all non-Christians burning in hell because they haven't been saved, well, sorry, I just don't buy into that. What of the untold millions (billions?) of people who have lived and died since Christ's time who were simply never exposed to Christianity? I am supposed to believe that they all now roast in hell because of geography or upbringing, regardless of how they lived their many lives? Think about it - that's simply preposterous. We are what we're programmed to be by our parents and our communities; it's always been that way. And good and evil certainly transend any human notions of religion.

I gave a simple view of what I believe in that regards in the short "calvinist" post to another user... I'll just leave it at that...

Mr. Kotter
12-12-2006, 09:30 AM
I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people.........for every 1,000 "church people" that I've encountered, 900 of them are terrible/stupid/a$$hole people.
That's funny. :hmmm:

I would say you just described 90% non-church people I've ever met.....to a "T." ;)

InChiefsHell
12-12-2006, 09:33 AM
A few people here know (because I've bragged about it numerous times) that my fiance (2.5 weeks to go!!!) is a minister. An intereting thing happened to her a couple of weeks ago.

Her church is in a neighborhood, not on a busy street at all. The church has a huge softball field, a park, a basketball court, a track, and tons of land. At times some of the kids in the neighborhood come and play football or play on the swings, or whatever, but very few in the neighborhood ever come to church, and she's never been able to figure out why. In an effort to bring the neighborhood together, not to proselytize, she has begun having neighborhood watch meeting in her church, to help build a feeling of community. At the first meeting, a hundred people showed up. She didn't say one word to any of them about coming to church, etc, just let the police have the floor and shook some hands. At one point in the evening, she found out that a minister 2 or 3 before she took over was always going door to door trying to goad folks into coming to church, and they ha dalways been afraid that it was what the church was about. The fiance assured them she didn't work that way, and explained to them her idea of ministry (compassion, love, acceptance, etc). Now, since then, more people from the neighborhood have been sprinkled in on Sundays.

Intersting thing I took from that is that more than door to door stuff, just having an open door with no pressure will bring more into the fold than paiing out pamphlets and putting people on the spot in their doorway.


Agreed. One example I have is I went to an Alice Cooper concert here in Omaha back in like 1986. There were a ton of people walking around handing out pamphlets to everyone. We got there late, after the crowd had pretty much all entered the arena. The sidewalks were strewn with these pamphlets. It was a very telling scene. It really made their efforts look like what they were, a waste of time, energy paper and money. There are more effective ways to minister to people. Sounds like your fiance (congrats by the way) has the right idea.

Mr. Kotter
12-12-2006, 09:34 AM
and that, is precisely why so many people complain.

People who don't have the gonads, to simply and politely say "thanks, but no thanks." :shrug:

jspchief
12-12-2006, 09:37 AM
People who don't have the gonads, to simply and politely say "thanks, but no thanks." :shrug:Why did the government create a "do not call" list?

Seems to me that not wanting to be pestered is pretty universal. Some people just don't get it when they are the ones doing the pestering.

Mr. Kotter
12-12-2006, 09:38 AM
Yea, and maybe if my barking dog wakes my napping daughter again I'll just let him out to imbed the fear of god deeply into you, and jesus can sew your ass up at the pearly gates.

Your statement shows a clear disregard for my peace, time, and privacy. That's precisely why I harbor ill will towards you people.

How about a "no solicitation" notice on your door?

Are you equally crabby when salesman, girl scouts, a census worker, or a roofer.....come to your door? ;)

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 09:42 AM
How about a "no solicitation" notice on your door?

Are you equally crabby when salesman, girl scouts, a census worker, or a roofer.....come to your door? ;)

How could anyone be crabby at a girl scout... all they do is sale overpriced, fattening cookies that break even the strongest man's will power when it comes to saying no...

:evil:

ZepSinger
12-12-2006, 09:42 AM
Intersting thing I took from that is that more than door to door stuff, just having an open door with no pressure will bring more into the fold than paiing out pamphlets and putting people on the spot in their doorway.

Yup. My Purpose-Driven church does not go door to door- at all. No pressure- at all. They tell visitors not to feel obligated to give. They don't even pass an offering basket. There's boxes on the way out if you choose to give as a church member.

In 1999 there were 500 members. Now there are over 5,000, and they're spinning off satellite churches with the same idealogy.

Z

Mr. Kotter
12-12-2006, 09:43 AM
I don't think you hate people who are religious as much as you love pissing them off by putting their religious beliefs down and ridiculing them for having faith in such things.

Ding, ding, ding!!! We HAVE a winner! :clap:

jspchief
12-12-2006, 09:47 AM
How about a "no solicitation" notice on your door?

Are you equally crabby when salesman, girl scouts, a census worker, or a roofer.....come to your door? ;)Yes.

I don't go around bugging people in their homes to push my services. the grocery store doesn't show up at my house trying to sell me cereal. The car dealership doesn't drive to my house to sell me a car. If I want it, we have a vast network of methods for me to find it.

At least with roofers I waste their time by making them write up an estimate before I tell them I'm a roofer too.

Actually, I have to say I'm not equally crabby to them. At least they are selling me a product. The height of my crabiness is saved for the people that come to my door to impose their beliefs. Bible-thumpers and politicos.

Saulbadguy
12-12-2006, 09:50 AM
Actually, I have to say I'm not equally crabby to them. At least they are selling me a product. The height of my crabiness is saved for the people that come to my door to impose their beliefs. Bible-thumpers and politicos.
They are selling a product as well. It's all about the dollar signs. The difference is when you pay for this one, you don't get squat.

Fat Elvis
12-12-2006, 09:51 AM
I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people.........for every 1,000 "church people" that I've encountered, 900 of them are terrible/stupid/a$$hole people.

Ring, Ring...

Hello Kettle, this is Pot.....

Edit: Guess I should read the thread; someone alrady beat me to it a long time ago....

Frazod
12-12-2006, 09:51 AM
Yes.

I don't go around bugging people in their homes to push my services. the grocery store doesn't show up at my house trying to sell me cereal. The car dealership doesn't drive to my house to sell me a car. If I want it, we have a vast network of methods for me to find it.

At least with roofers I waste their time by making them write up an estimate before I tell them I'm a roofer too.

Actually, I have to say I'm not equally crabby to them. At least they are selling me a product. The height of my crabiness is saved for the people that come to my door to impose their beliefs. Bible-thumpers and politicos.

I couldn't agree more.

Do NOT F#CK WITH ME at my house. That is my haven from the world and I will react poorly to any violation of that. I don't bother other people - they shouldn't bother me.

Mr. Kotter
12-12-2006, 09:52 AM
Yes.

I don't go around bugging people in their homes to push my services. the grocery store doesn't show up at my house trying to sell me cereal. The car dealership doesn't drive to my house to sell me a car. If I want it, we have a vast network of methods for me to find it.

At least with roofers I waste their time by making them write up an estimate before I tell them I'm a roofer too.

Actually, I have to say I'm not equally crabby to them. At least they are selling me a product. The height of my crabiness is saved for the people that come to my door to impose their beliefs. Bible-thumpers and politicos.
Well, you are certainly free to feel that way. Though, many psychologists would love to delve into the issues behind this whole attitude.

I'm no psychologist though, so I'll just leave you to your insolence. It's a free country. ;)

Lzen
12-12-2006, 09:54 AM
I don't think you hate people who are religious as much as you love pissing them off by putting their religious beliefs down and ridiculing them for having faith in such things.

Right or wrong, that has been my impression as well. :shake:

Saulbadguy
12-12-2006, 09:55 AM
Well, you are certainly free to feel that way. Though, many psychologists would love to delve into the issues behind this whole attitude.

I'm no psychologist though, so I'll just leave you to your insolence. It's a free country. ;)
What is so wrong with not wanting people bothering you when you are at home?

It's the same as disliking telemarketers, or even spam email.

HonestChieffan
12-12-2006, 09:59 AM
Ask any nurse who deals with people who are terminally Ill and you will find that most people become very interested in God as they near the time for them to need to know.

Some of us learned early and have come to understand wht it means in our lives.

ChiefFripp
12-12-2006, 10:03 AM
Ask any nurse who deals with people who are terminally Ill and you will find that most people become very interested in God as they near the time for them to need to know.

Some of us learned early and have come to understand wht it means in our lives.
Most people understand the theory of 'covering all your bases', just in case.

tiptap
12-12-2006, 10:03 AM
I'm guessing somewhere in Naperville... :)



Being a Calvinist, I'm also a very "Reformer-minded" protestant (heck, even "worse" I'm a Baptist), so I'm not very big on the Catholic Church as a whole either, though I do have some Catholic friends... That aside, I agree that religion has been used to do great harm, but it has also been used to do great good...one recent example ties in with the Southern Baptist, of which I am a part (in some eyes, I think I just keep digging a bigger hole...)--the convention is the 3rd largest disaster relief organization in the US and mobilizes to provide food, shelter, and aid when events like the tsunami and hurricanes happen... this is something that is difficult to do when you don't have organization...



I gave a simple view of what I believe in that regards in the short "calvinist" post to another user... I'll just leave it at that...

I always tell my Calvanist baptist friends that I tried to believe and trust but god told me I wasn't elected so go ahead and enjoy the time you have.

jspchief
12-12-2006, 10:07 AM
Well, you are certainly free to feel that way. Though, many psychologists would love to delve into the issues behind this whole attitude.

I'm no psychologist though, so I'll just leave you to your insolence. It's a free country. ;)If I have issues it's simply that I don't consider every idiot on the street my buddy. A stranger is not welcome to come to my house and try and change my beliefs or sell me carpet cleaning. Hell, a friend is even an imposition when playing that role.


Wanting my privacy doesn't make me insolent. Some clown ringing my doorbell will though.

Count Zarth
12-12-2006, 10:08 AM
Time to bust out my favorite avatar.

jspchief
12-12-2006, 10:09 AM
Ask any nurse who deals with people who are terminally Ill and you will find that most people become very interested in God as they near the time for them to need to know.

Some of us learned early and have come to understand wht it means in our lives.How noble. When their ass is in a sling they start trying to cover it.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 10:11 AM
Yup. My Purpose-Driven church does not go door to door- at all. No pressure- at all. They tell visitors not to feel obligated to give. They don't even pass an offering basket. There's boxes on the way out if you choose to give as a church member.

In 1999 there were 500 members. Now there are over 5,000, and they're spinning off satellite churches with the same idealogy.

Z

Personally, I'm most geared towards relational evangelism--just simply "be" a Christian and try to become friends with non-Christians, and then share the Gospel in life, deed, and word... But I'm weary about altogether throwing out the door-to-door/street stuff. I've seen a church or two where the attitude is basically: "If you ain't aknockin', then you're asinnin'..." and that's overboard, but I don't think we should go to the other extreme of doing none either...

It largerly depends upon the cultural context as well. I have a good friend who has done some mission trips to evangelize muslims in England. He said a lot of them, especially the more "religious" ones won't even give you the time of day unless you get up in their face and are confrontive--then they'll actually listen...

Also, here in Louisville we have a street named "Bardstown"--it's basically a mecca for post-moderns, occults, and drunks (or any combination of the three--really interesting street). I developed a little five minute religion survey I use there--in part to collect data, in part to try to get a conversation started. I've found that the vast majority are willing to take the survey--some take it and move on, most start asking me questions--I love it. One girl (who doesn't go to church) told me and a friend of mine that one thing that bothered her about Chrisitanity was that there weren't more people out doing what we were doing and showing that we cared about people like her... And I've yet to have anyone respond in a negative or an "f-off" type of way...

I'm all about the relational model, but I think we can sometimes miss some good opportunities if we chuck door-to-door/street evangelism...

Mr. Kotter
12-12-2006, 10:14 AM
What is so wrong with not wanting people bothering you when you are at home?

It's the same as disliking telemarketers, or even spam email.
It's not "wrong;" it's just a bit petty IMO. I suspect it's symptomatic of some deeper issue(s.)

If you really feel that strongly about it, put a sign on your door. Seriously. :shrug:

How noble. When their ass is in a sling they start trying to cover it.

Noble or not, it is human nature.

Jilly
12-12-2006, 10:15 AM
"Be the beauty that you see." - Rumi

I think that's a great philosophy and great words to live by. As a Christian, I sometimes fail at this, but I think this is the witness - not to judge or force, but to just be what is beautiful and full of grace, because that is who God is.

siberian khatru
12-12-2006, 10:17 AM
It's not "wrong;" it's just a bit petty IMO. I suspect it's symptomatic of some deeper issue(s.)

If you really feel that strongly about it, put a sign on your door. Seriously. :shrug:

I recently had somebody ring my doorbell at 9:30 a.m. ON A SUNDAY asking if they could do yardwork for us. I was absolutely dumbfounded. All I could say was "no" with an incredulous look on my face.

I can't imagine what frazod or jspchief would've done.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 10:19 AM
I always tell my Calvanist baptist friends that I tried to believe and trust but god told me I wasn't elected so go ahead and enjoy the time you have.

Heck, if I wasn't a believer I'd go have myself a merry time eatin', drinkin', and sleepin' around with the girls for "tomorrow we die"--but that's just me and my own depravity...

And I'm sure if your Calvinist Bapsits friends think like this Calvinist Baptist then they probably say something along the lines of: "Aside from that crap about God telling you to do that, that's really expected. But you need to repent and we'll be praying and hoping that you are of the elect..."

:)

jspchief
12-12-2006, 10:20 AM
It's not "wrong;" it's just a bit petty IMO. I suspect it's symptomatic of some deeper issue(s.)

If you really feel that strongly about it, put a sign on your door. Seriously. :shrug:Like I said, an entire nation disliked solicitation calls so much that the government implemented a "do not call" registry.

If I'm petty, I have a lot of company.

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 10:26 AM
I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people.........for every 1,000 "church people" that I've encountered, 900 of them are terrible/stupid/a$$hole people.IOW, sinners. Wow, immagine that, a bunch of sinners going to a place where they are trying to be healed. Kind of like the sick going to a Hospital.

Mr. Kotter
12-12-2006, 10:28 AM
Like I said, an entire nation disliked solicitation calls so much that the government implemented a "do not call" registry.

If I'm petty, I have a lot of company.Calling was more of an issue, I think. But maybe not. Calling tends to be at more inopportune times, for the most part too. Earlier than, later than, and during dinner time kinds of issues arise.

You must live in a wierd neighborhood or community, compared to mine anyway. I can count on one hand the number of times someone's knocked at my door about religion. Ever. Seriously. I say, "no thanks" basically....and they, in each instance, have said, "Okay. Thanks. Have a nice day" or whatever and went on their way.

Politicians and business solicitations on the other hands, I get 3 or 4 a month, I suppose.

Count Zarth
12-12-2006, 10:30 AM
How noble. When their ass is in a sling they start trying to cover it.

Yeah...pretty cheap.

patteeu
12-12-2006, 10:37 AM
Nothing will make Logical happier than seeing the religous folks and the non-religious folks sniping at each other in this thread.

jspchief
12-12-2006, 10:40 AM
You must live in a wierd neighborhood or community, compared to mine anyway.
As I mentioned earlier, I live in a town with a bible college. Apparently they encourage this, because on any given day, within 15 minutes, I'd wager I can find two young men walking door to door in suits trying to talk to people or give them some stupid pamphlet.

I'm sure that plays more than a small part in my attitude on the subject.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 10:41 AM
Nothing will make Logical happier than seeing the religous folks and the non-religious folks sniping at each other in this thread.

Well... he is the self-proclaimed "Evil Mastermind"...

:Pinky:

Mr. Kotter
12-12-2006, 10:41 AM
As I mentioned earlier, I live in a town with a bible college. Apparently they encourage this, because on any given day, within 15 minutes, I'd wager I can find two young men walking door to door in suits trying to talk to people or give them some stupid pamphlet.

I'm sure that plays more than a small part in my attitude on the subject.

Eh. There you go. I missed that nugget earlier, sorry. It makes more sense now.

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 10:51 AM
If I have issues it's simply that I don't consider every idiot on the street my buddy. A stranger is not welcome to come to my house and try and change my beliefs or sell me carpet cleaning. Hell, a friend is even an imposition when playing that role.


Wanting my privacy doesn't make me insolent. Some clown ringing my doorbell will though.


You don't mess with JSP, he's hardcore man. The only guy I know who will tell a little girl scout to suck his dick when she's knocks on his door selling candy.

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 10:52 AM
We banned GoChiefs for a month last year after he made some horrible crack at Jesus about a week before Christmas. I don't remember what it was... I want to say it was something about being molested in the manger or something. Hell I don't know. That doesn't sound right. It was terrible though. Man, oh Man did I get some complaints about that one.I wonder how all his fans at Warpaint would feel about that?

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 10:53 AM
As I mentioned earlier, I live in a town with a bible college. Apparently they encourage this, because on any given day, within 15 minutes, I'd wager I can find two young men walking door to door in suits trying to talk to people or give them some stupid pamphlet.

I'm sure that plays more than a small part in my attitude on the subject.

Maybe you should invite them in to watch some of that hardcore porn your into. That would teach them.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 10:53 AM
As I mentioned earlier, I live in a town with a bible college. Apparently they encourage this, because on any given day, within 15 minutes, I'd wager I can find two young men walking door to door in suits trying to talk to people or give them some stupid pamphlet.

I'm sure that plays more than a small part in my attitude on the subject.

Ohhh... Now it's clear why you get a little ticked off... If it's Faith Bible you're talking about--they're part of the indy fundy tradition in which I don't think they know how to do anything other than the knockin' and knockin' and knockin' thing...

For fun I've visited some of those churches--one was offering $50 prizes to the kid who brought in the most "Soul-Winning Contact Information Cards" (which that even ticks me off). And I don't think they know how to take "no/go away" for an answer.

Don't judge all us "door-knockers" by their standards... We're all not quite that annoying, at least not usually... :)

jspchief
12-12-2006, 10:54 AM
You don't mess with JSP, he's hardcore man. The only guy I know who will tell a little girl scout to suck his dick when she's knocks on his door selling candy.Hey, I heard a pitbull chewed off an infant's toes yesterday.

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 10:55 AM
Hey, I heard a pitbull chewed off an infant's toes yesterday. LMAO

jspchief
12-12-2006, 10:56 AM
Ohhh... Now it's clear why you get a little ticked off... If it's Faith Bible you're talking about--they're part of the indy fundy tradition in which I don't think they know how to do anything other than the knockin' and knockin' and knockin' thing...

For fun I've visited some of those churches--one was offering $50 prizes to the kid who brought in the most "Soul-Winning Contact Information Cards" (which that even ticks me off). And I don't think they know how to take "no/go away" for an answer.

Don't judge all us "door-knockers" by their standards... We're all not quite that annoying, at least not usually... :)To be perfectly frank, the minute you knock you are as bad as the rest of them.

If I want to find god, there are plenty of huge lavish buildings around that would gladly accept my money to help me find him. I don't need or want your help.

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 10:57 AM
The guy made a comment about his dealings with people of faith, he said nothing about hate, why would you equate that to spitting in someone's food. You are confusing stereotyping with malicious intent. We all stereotype to one degree or another we just need to refrain from the hate you describeWhere is Skip with a "Shut up N00b" when you need him.

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 10:58 AM
You replied while I was typing. Jazzz's comments about him of all people reffering to people being critical of others is exactly what I was making refference to.

Thanks for the thread Jazzz, I really didn't feel like looking for it.:)




We should really have another forum designated "Required Reading Threads" so newer people can get up to speed quicker.:)That is a great idea.

jspchief
12-12-2006, 10:59 AM
Maybe you should invite them in to watch some of that hardcore porn your into. That would teach them.I'm a bit selective with who joins me in watching porn.

So what do you do with them? give them some steroids and lecture them about the pussification of america?

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 11:00 AM
To be perfectly frank, the minute you knock you are as bad as the rest of them.

If I want to find god, there are plenty of huge lavish buildings around that would gladly accept my money to help me find him. I don't need or want your help.


When JSP finds god he's just going to tell him to **** off anyway because that's just the kind of guy he is, Mr. Hardcore.

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 11:02 AM
I'm a bit selective with who joins me in watching porn.

So what do you do with them? give them some steroids and lecture them about the pussification of america?

Gotta have fun bags huh? Can't say I blame you for that one.

No, my dog goes to the door and scares them off. One more reason to own a pit bull.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 11:03 AM
To be perfectly frank, the minute you knock you are as bad as the rest of them.

If I want to find god, there are plenty of huge lavish buildings around that would gladly accept my money to help me find him. I don't need or want your help.

Well then, I'll just give you this invitation here: If you're ever in the Louisville area, you're more than welcome to come and try to "find God" at the church I pastor--we've got the plain looking building out on the country road. And hey, we don't even want you're money while you're in the process of "finding"...

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 11:06 AM
Well then, I'll just give you this invitation here: If you're ever in the Louisville area, you're more than welcome to come and try to "find God" at the church I pastor--we've got the plain looking building out on the country road. And hey, we don't even want you're money while you're in the process of "finding"...

You better have some nails for him to chew on during the service.

Count Zarth
12-12-2006, 11:07 AM
I wonder how all his fans at Warpaint would feel about that?

The Church of GoChiefs doesn't listen to apostates and false prophets.

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 11:08 AM
You better have some nails for him to chew on during the service.

I was thinking of something a bit softer and less pointy--he just might spit the nails at me...

:jester:

Fairplay
12-12-2006, 11:13 AM
Nothing will make Logical happier than seeing the religous folks and the non-religious folks sniping at each other in this thread.



People have strange ways of getting their jollys.

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 11:17 AM
The Church of GoChiefs doesn't listen to apostates and false prophets.ROFL

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 11:24 AM
I was thinking of something a bit softer and less pointy--he just might spit the nails at me...

:jester:

Not many people know this about JSP but when he was little his parents gave him a magnifying glass for Christmas. After he used it to burn the family bible he used to burn himself just to feel the pain. Later on he ran away from home and was raised by wolves. Upon returning home he chewed off the head of the family pet. Now he just likes skinning animals alive to hear them scream. You just don't mess with somebody like that. If there is anyone who truly hardcore it's JSP. Personally I think he's unsaveable but hey that's just me. If you try though just remember what I told you. You can't say you weren't warned.

jspchief
12-12-2006, 11:26 AM
Not many people know this about JSP but when he was little his parents gave him a magnifying glass for Christmas. After he used it to burn the family bible he used to burn himself just to feel the pain. Later on he ran away from home and was raised by wolves. Upon returning home he chewed off the head of the family pet. Now he just likes skinning animals alive to hear them scream. You just don't mess with somebody like that. If there is anyone who truly hardcore it's JSP. Personally I think he's unsaveable but hey that's just me. If you try though just remember what I told you. You can't say you weren't warned.Glad to see you have a raging boner for me today.

It's a pretty select group that gets to be a target of BD's pathetic stalking.

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 11:31 AM
Glad to see you have a raging boner for me today.

It's a pretty select group that gets to be a target of BD's pathetic stalking.

Just don't hurt me dude, I'm on your side really.

tiptap
12-12-2006, 11:38 AM
Heck, if I wasn't a believer I'd go have myself a merry time eatin', drinkin', and sleepin' around with the girls for "tomorrow we die"--but that's just me and my own depravity...

And I'm sure if your Calvinist Bapsits friends think like this Calvinist Baptist then they probably say something along the lines of: "Aside from that crap about God telling you to do that, that's really expected. But you need to repent and we'll be praying and hoping that you are of the elect..."

:)

oh wait a minute, Yahweh wrote on the walls of Assyria so the unelected could see, He had several group of people not Israelites that Yahweh talked to and didn't curse the jews. He talked to Saul and then let him become a reprobate. He refused the offering of Cain and talk to him and such. Don't be so sure that god didn't tell me himself. He is a truthful god isn't he. And if you ask. . .

DaneMcCloud
12-12-2006, 11:44 AM
If it works for you...



If you get that upset over someone knocking on your door, then I'd say your ill will runs a little deeper than concern for your peace, time, and privacy...

Bullsh*t. It's called soliciting and in many states, counties and cities it's illegal. I don't care if your pushing religion or selling "candy for the homeless", I don't want to be bothered, period.

Your lack of respect is what angers others who don't share your beliefs.

Jenson71
12-12-2006, 11:51 AM
I go to Church almost every Sunday. Get off my porch.


(Just kidding, I don't have a porch, and it doesn't bother me that much. Still, I would say it's unnessary and hurts "the cause")

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 12:01 PM
Bullsh*t. It's called soliciting and in many states, counties and cities it's illegal. I don't care if your pushing religion or selling "candy for the homeless", I don't want to be bothered, period.

Your lack of respect is what angers others who don't share your beliefs.

This is what cracks me up about this attitude in general. I call senior executives of high technology companies. Those are our clients. Occasionally you get somebody with this attitude who blasts you for calling and wasting their time. I always like to ask them how they market their product? Almost all successful companies have to invade someone's space in order to sell. Most of the companies I am calling on have extremely aggressive marketing and sales divisions. Whether that's commmercials, flyers, direct mail, phone calls or knocking on somebody's door. People who are not in sales just don't get it. If it wasn't for the sales department most people who are so offended wouldn't have their stinking jobs. There certainly wouldn't be an economy like we currently have. Sales is the most important part of any business in that it creates revenue. The rest of you all just come in on the other end of the balance sheet. Someone comes to the door I don't want to talk to the dog has usually has run them off by the time I get there. If they are still there I just don't open the door. Why this is such a big deal is beyond me.

KC Kings
12-12-2006, 12:12 PM
Wow, don't know quite what to say here...on one hand it is quite a personel thing (religion) but as a Christian you are asked to tell others about the good news...it is a shame that it is done poorly to where it is a burden or pain to some and they get turned off. Merry Christmas everyone!

When I say 'you', I mean everybody not just you personally.
You should be spreading the good news because you want to, not because you are commanded to. If the Chiefs started selling all of the remaining available tickets for $5, you would make a post on here and spread the good news because you wanted to, not because Carl Peterson said that you had to if you wanted to be considered a true fan. And if you did go door to door you wouldn't be telling everybody that they were going to have a horrible afternoon of boredom, lest you buy a ticket to the game.

The biggest problem I have with Christianity is that most Christians miss the whole point. The basis of being saved is 'Belief', but since salvation is unconditional they start to think that the belief is all they need. There are multiple scriptures that talk about Faith without works that are not emphasized in the church. Christianity is not a "works based" faith, so a lot of people fail to concentrate on the works. For too many years Christians have pounded a 'Doom and Gloom' message down everybody's throat that have turned off millions of people. I grew up in the church, but as soon as I grew up I got out of it as quickly as possible. The Christians that I grew up around were hypocrits, and cared more about peoples soul than the actual person.

I go to and am involved in a great church. When my aunt invited us to come the first time I did not want to give up football tailgating, did not want to give up all of time needed to be involved in church, and was not interested in hanging out with a bunch of hollier than thou Jesus people. What I found was a group of people like me, just regular people that watch sports and play FFL. I am not a preacher and will not attempt to preach the Gospel, but I will invite people to my church because it is possible that they will enjoy it as much as I do.

That being said, if you would like to hear a Classical Christmas Concert with a full orchestra free of charge, we are having one this Sunday at 10:15 and 7pm. I can promise you that nobody will try to save your soul and they specify that visitors and guests are NOT to put any money in the offering plate. You will also have the chance to see a fellow fat, white, Chief's Planeteer sing a solo in Nigerian.

KC Kings
12-12-2006, 12:21 PM
I couldn't agree more.

Do NOT F#CK WITH ME at my house. That is my haven from the world and I will react poorly to any violation of that. I don't bother other people - they shouldn't bother me.

I don't knock on a lot of doors, but I am glad you weren't behind the few that I have knocked on!

A couple of years ago Time magazine took a poll, and it said that 20% of non-church goers would have gone to church on Easter Sunday if somebody would have invited them. We have a nice Easter service, and our pastor challenged us to invite 20 people to church by giving them a professionally printed invitation. I was reluctant to participate, but we took some baggies, filled them up with Easter candy and put an invitation in them. I am 6'1", 250 with facial hair and tatoos so I was afraid that some people would be afraid to open their doors so I took my kids with me. We knocked on 20 doors, told them that we go to a great church and invited them to come on Easter Sunday, and walked away. At least half of them continued the converstation by asking where our church was or by thanking us for the candy. Only one guy appeared not to be pleased by the disturbance, but I think the candy made up for it.

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 12:23 PM
When I say 'you', I mean everybody not just you personally.
You should be spreading the good news because you want to, not because you are commanded to. If the Chiefs started selling all of the remaining available tickets for $5, you would make a post on here and spread the good news because you wanted to, not because Carl Peterson said that you had to if you wanted to be considered a true fan. And if you did go door to door you wouldn't be telling everybody that they were going to have a horrible afternoon of boredom, lest you buy a ticket to the game.

The biggest problem I have with Christianity is that most Christians miss the whole point. The basis of being saved is 'Belief', but since salvation is unconditional they start to think that the belief is all they need. There are multiple scriptures that talk about Faith without works that are not emphasized in the church. Christianity is not a "works based" faith, so a lot of people fail to concentrate on the works. For too many years Christians have pounded a 'Doom and Gloom' message down everybody's throat that have turned off millions of people. I grew up in the church, but as soon as I grew up I got out of it as quickly as possible. The Christians that I grew up around were hypocrits, and cared more about peoples soul than the actual person.

I go to and am involved in a great church. When my aunt invited us to come the first time I did not want to give up football tailgating, did not want to give up all of time needed to be involved in church, and was not interested in hanging out with a bunch of hollier than thou Jesus people. What I found was a group of people like me, just regular people that watch sports and play FFL. I am not a preacher and will not attempt to preach the Gospel, but I will invite people to my church because it is possible that they will enjoy it as much as I do.

That being said, if you would like to hear a Classical Christmas Concert with a full orchestra free of charge, we are having one this Sunday at 10:15 and 7pm. I can promise you that nobody will try to save your soul and they specify that visitors and guests are NOT to put any money in the offering plate. You will also have the chance to see a fellow fat, white, Chief's Planeteer sing a solo in Nigerian.Amen, only God can do that anyway, we merely are to plant the seeds and water the crop, and bring in the harvest.

:thumb:

listopencil
12-12-2006, 12:24 PM
Everyone has freedom from religion...or even Christ himself.

That's why it's called faith.

Anyone here think they can show or prove how much they love their kids?



Define "love".

HonestChieffan
12-12-2006, 12:27 PM
By virtue of the fact you would defend an animal that has no value other than killing, maiming, and being destructive, you have no credibility on almost any subject you would approach.

ZepSinger
12-12-2006, 12:29 PM
I go to Church almost every Sunday. Get off my porch.


(Just kidding, I don't have a porch, and it doesn't bother me that much. Still, I would say it's unnessary and hurts "the cause")

I'm with ya on this one, dude. Unless it's Jessica Alba handing out $1000 bills, they're getting a face full of door slivers.
:)

Hey, if you're sick, you go to the doctor. If and when a person feels that got something wrong with them spiritually, I trust they'd know how to at least get to someone who could point them in the right direction.

Z

listopencil
12-12-2006, 12:31 PM
By virtue of the fact you would defend an animal that has no value other than killing, maiming, and being destructive, you have no credibility on almost any subject you would approach.


Why are you trying to bring Bill Romanowski into a religious discussion?

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 12:46 PM
Why are you trying to bring Bill Romanowski into a religious discussion?

Some people just shouldn't post.

DaneMcCloud
12-12-2006, 01:05 PM
This is what cracks me up about this attitude in general. I call senior executives of high technology companies. Those are our clients. Occasionally you get somebody with this attitude who blasts you for calling and wasting their time. I always like to ask them how they market their product? Almost all successful companies have to invade someone's space in order to sell. Most of the companies I am calling on have extremely aggressive marketing and sales divisions. Whether that's commmercials, flyers, direct mail, phone calls or knocking on somebody's door. People who are not in sales just don't get it. If it wasn't for the sales department most people who are so offended wouldn't have their stinking jobs. There certainly wouldn't be an economy like we currently have. Sales is the most important part of any business in that it creates revenue. The rest of you all just come in on the other end of the balance sheet. Someone comes to the door I don't want to talk to the dog has usually has run them off by the time I get there. If they are still there I just don't open the door. Why this is such a big deal is beyond me.


Well if sales people are allowed to personally invade my space and home, I think there's a problem. What's the use of owning a home then? Doesn't privacy mean anything to anyone these days?

Don't people get bombarded with advertising enough? I get a sh*t ton of meaningless and worthless advertising in my mailbox everyday. I get spammed by companies selling products in which I am not interested and I'm literally overloaded with commercials when watching live sporting events (I Tivo anything else that I would normally watch on TV. Now you're going to tell me that our *economy* wouldn't be the same without endless advertising and sales people? I call Bullsh*t again.

If anything, an unsolicited salesman bothering me is NEVER going to get my business. Ever. And since when is Religion considered a business? Oh yeah, that's right. Right about 330 AD when the Non-Christian Roman Emperor decreed that everyone within the Empire is now a Christian. Politics and sales, pure and simple.

BucEyedPea
12-12-2006, 01:10 PM
Well if sales people are allowed to personally invade my space and home, I think there's a problem. What's the use of owning a home then? Doesn't privacy mean anything to anyone these days?


I think the solution is simple. If its your property put a "No Trespassing" sign up. Maybe add a warning if they do. Those without such signs will be fair game.

I always told my daughter when she was 5&6 years old in her Brownie uniform selling cookies that if someone said "no" it was okay...because some will say "yes". Other than that I hid in the bushes while she knocked on each door. I can't do it at all.

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 01:21 PM
Now you're going to tell me that our *economy* wouldn't be the same without endless advertising and sales people? I call Bullsh*t again.


Yes that's what I'm telling you. If it didn't work compnaies wouldn't do it. It's really that simple. What do you do for a living?


BTW the no trespassing sign is really simple. Bottom line is you will spend the rest of your life getting bombarded with advertising and sales. It's just the way it is unless you want to move to shack in the mountains and have no TV or radio. You would still get mailers. LMAO

DaneMcCloud
12-12-2006, 01:22 PM
I think the solution is simple. If its your property put a "No Trespassing" sign up. Maybe add a warning if they do. Those without such signs will be fair game.

I always told my daughter when she was 5&6 years old in her Brownie uniform selling cookies that if someone said "no" it was okay...because some will say "yes". Other than that I hid in the bushes while she knocked on each door. I can't do it at all.

Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone)

HonestChieffan
12-12-2006, 01:24 PM
1.8 million dollar home in Hollywood ...why dont you just pull it under a different overpass. They won't find you then.

DaneMcCloud
12-12-2006, 01:24 PM
Yes that's what I'm telling you. If it didn't work compnaies wouldn't do it. It's really that simple. What do you do for a living?


BTW the no trespassing sign is really simple. Bottom line is you will spend the rest of your life getting bombarded with advertising and sales. It's just the way it is unless you want to move to shack in the mountains and have not TV or radio. YOu would still get mailers. LMAO

Okay, I shouldn't have included Advertising in my response. That was an error on my part. But Cold Sales Calls? Does that work on anyone?

Chieficus
12-12-2006, 01:25 PM
The biggest problem I have with Christianity is that most Christians miss the whole point. The basis of being saved is 'Belief', but since salvation is unconditional they start to think that the belief is all they need. There are multiple scriptures that talk about Faith without works that are not emphasized in the church. Christianity is not a "works based" faith, so a lot of people fail to concentrate on the works. For too many years Christians have pounded a 'Doom and Gloom' message down everybody's throat that have turned off millions of people. I grew up in the church, but as soon as I grew up I got out of it as quickly as possible. The Christians that I grew up around were hypocrits, and cared more about peoples soul than the actual person.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (Chieficus paraphrase): We're saved by grace through faith, not by works...but we're saved with part of the result that we're to do good works...

I agree that Christians need to be doing more--serving the community, feeding and clothing the needy poor, caring for the widows and orphans, picking up trash along the roadways, inviting the neighbors over for dinner or offering to watch their kids for a night, etc.... and then also share the Gospel, which does include some of the doom and gloom--we are speaking of salvation from the judment of God, devestation of sin, and the horror of hell hear...

My fear is that a lot of churches have reacted to the "soul winnin' without people serving" mentality by swining the other way: We're going to serve you but we aren't going to tell you anything that might offend you. We've gone from evangelism without service to service without evangelism when what we need is both.

The Gospel is a confrontive thing--it makes people agitated and uncomfortable at times, but if we truly believe that men and women are lost and dying in their sins, then we've got to share the reality of hell and the hope of Christ. It's as Paul said, "I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation..." (Romans 1:16)

Over and over I encourage my congregation to live a complete Christian life--in public and in private, in acts of humble service and in acts of concerned sharing, when going door to door and when having lunch with a friend... I think that's what we see Jesus telling us, as well as Paul, Peter, and others, and I think that's what we see in the Christian community of the early church (e.g. in the book of Acts)...

Bill Parcells
12-12-2006, 01:29 PM
Exactly.

I don't come to your door and try and convince you that god doesn't exist. Please return the courtesy and leave me to my eternal hell. Thanks.
I agree with that..

One time I had a Jehova witness come to my door..I attempted to close the door on him and said I wasn't interested..he put his foot in the door to stop it..I asked him..do you believe in god?he said yes..I said if you dont take your foot out of my door in 3 seconds you are going to meet him..he left after that..I hate that begging to save you crap.

DaFace
12-12-2006, 01:30 PM
Disclaimer: I think this video is funny, and nothing more. It's far enough out there that it doesn't really represent either side of the argument. That being said, here's a kinda funny video of atheists going door to door:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7wOz5a6yns

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 01:32 PM
Okay, I shouldn't have included Advertising in my response. That was an error on my part. But Cold Sales Calls? Does that work on anyone?

You're kidding right? I built a whole company around it. Senior executives of high technology companies. They appreciate it too after all most of the software companies do the vast majority of their business through cold calls and a sales force. What about Real Estate? Top Real Estate agents do a ton of cold calls. I can't believe you said that. WHat do you do for a living again?

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 01:34 PM
I agree with that..

One time I had a Jehova witness come to my door..I attempted to close the door on him and said I wasn't interested..he put his foot in the door to stop it..I asked him..do you believe in god?he said yes..I said if you dont take your foot out of my door in 3 seconds you are going to meet him..he left after that..I hate that begging to save you crap.

Jehova Witnesses are fun to mess with in general.

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 01:40 PM
Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone) Nope, my buddy has one of those in Westwood, almost every single family home in the area are worth a million these days.

DaneMcCloud
12-12-2006, 01:41 PM
You're kidding right? I built a whole company around it. Senior executives of high technology companies. They appreciate it too after all most of the software companies do the vast majority of their business through cold calls and a sales force. What about Real Estate? Top Real Estate agents do a ton of cold calls. I can't believe you said that. WHat do you do for a living again?

Well, good for you. I don't appreciate cold calls in any way, shape or form. As for what I do for a living, it's been well documented here that I worked for Universal & Paramount/Viacom for 10 years. My wife and I also have an extremely successful internet business that does not include cold calling. As for my current occupation, I prefer to decline *advertising* that at present.

But let me get this straight: You equate cold calls for real estate and software the same as organized religion?

slappyhappy
12-12-2006, 01:42 PM
Most religions talk about being open minded. Open enough to embrace their faith. But once you get to the point where it is a belief and a faith, then are you not closed to other possiblities and beliefs by then?

I'm not into organized religion because I believe this limits your thinking. You get to the point of believing in what religious techings has written into you rather than instinct.

God says "thou shall not kill" right? What has this to say for war? More wars have been started because of religious beliefs then any other political driven war. Muslims are killing Muslims in Iraq. The Catholic Crusades murdered millions.

I guess I just can't understand the closed thinking that rides along with religions, makes no sense to me.

Frazod
12-12-2006, 01:45 PM
I don't knock on a lot of doors, but I am glad you weren't behind the few that I have knocked on!

A couple of years ago Time magazine took a poll, and it said that 20% of non-church goers would have gone to church on Easter Sunday if somebody would have invited them. We have a nice Easter service, and our pastor challenged us to invite 20 people to church by giving them a professionally printed invitation. I was reluctant to participate, but we took some baggies, filled them up with Easter candy and put an invitation in them. I am 6'1", 250 with facial hair and tatoos so I was afraid that some people would be afraid to open their doors so I took my kids with me. We knocked on 20 doors, told them that we go to a great church and invited them to come on Easter Sunday, and walked away. At least half of them continued the converstation by asking where our church was or by thanking us for the candy. Only one guy appeared not to be pleased by the disturbance, but I think the candy made up for it.
It's not like I'd automatically smear poo in your face and slam the door, especially if you're 6'1" with tatoos. :D I'm not quite as much of a jackass in person as I am here, and one of the things that was effectively beat into me as a child was being courteous to strangers. Salespeople generally get a very firm (but somewhat polite) NOT INTERESTED and the door. I'd likely listen to your pitch, thank you for the invitation and politely decline.

It's when people don't go away after this that the problems start. :#

But still, I'd just prefer to be left the hell alone. I know where the churches are; if I feel compelled to get right with the Lord, I don't need directions.

Luckily, we don't get alot of door-to-door people in my neighborhood. I'm in a condo community on the fringe of Naperville, effectively cut off from the main part of the town and certainly looked down upon by the well-to-do snobs who live in the big houses, who probably don't want me in their churches in the first place. :)

Jenson71
12-12-2006, 01:48 PM
God says "thou shall not kill" right? What has this to say for war? More wars have been started because of religious beliefs then any other political driven war. Muslims are killing Muslims in Iraq. The Catholic Crusades murdered millions.

It's not because of the beliefs. It's because people are capable of doing bad things. And I agree that there have been some people that have had power in these religions that are not correctly following these beliefs.

And I do believe in Catholism, do you think I'm close-minded? No, you are close minded if you want to be, open if you want to be.

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 01:59 PM
Well, good for you. I don't appreciate cold calls in any way, shape or form. As for what I do for a living, it's been well documented here that I worked for Universal & Paramount/Viacom for 10 years. My wife and I also have an extremely successful internet business that does not include cold calling. As for my current occupation, I prefer to decline *advertising* that at present.

But let me get this straight: You equate cold calls for real estate and software the same as organized religion?

That's cool I'm not trying to be a dick. Universal & Paramount/Viacom does a ton of advertising BTW. Marketing is marketing it all takes up your time irregardless of how it is done. I have found in the past that people who are usually involved in operations as opposed to sales are usually the people who like sales people the least. They think they are over paid and arrogant. Bottom line is without those people they don't have a job. Bottom line is without sales and marketing the machine shuts down. I don't like people banging on my door either but I just don't answer it if I don't want to. Sometimes I find it fun to mess with the Jehova Witnesses. Sometimes I want to help like supporting the local highschool football team. Most of the time like I said though the dog has already scared them off by the time I get there. I get sales calls at work all the time, they don't bother me at all. Sales is a part of life I'm not going to let it get to me.

HonestChieffan
12-12-2006, 02:01 PM
there is no word :irregardless.

the word is regardless

slappyhappy
12-12-2006, 02:10 PM
It's not because of the beliefs. It's because people are capable of doing bad things. And I agree that there have been some people that have had power in these religions that are not correctly following these beliefs.

And I do believe in Catholism, do you think I'm close-minded? No, you are close minded if you want to be, open if you want to be.


I guess this is what strays me away from organized religion is because I don't believe everything I read.

BucEyedPea
12-12-2006, 02:11 PM
Nope, my buddy has one of those in Westwood, almost every single family home in the area are worth a million these days.
Yup! Same is true in the greater Boston area. My old one, is now worth at least a mil!

DaneMcCloud
12-12-2006, 02:11 PM
That's cool I'm not trying to be a dick. Universal & Paramount/Viacom does a ton of advertising BTW. Marketing is marketing it all takes up your time irregardless of how it is done. I have found in the past that people who are usually involved in operations as opposed to sales are usually the people who like sales people the least. They think they are over paid and arrogant. Bottom line is without those people they don't have a job. Bottom line is without sales and marketing the machine shuts down. I don't like people banging on my door either but I just don't answer it if I don't want to. Sometimes I find it fun to mess with the Jehova Witnesses. Sometimes I want to help like supporting the local highschool football team. Most of the time like I said though the dog has already scared them off by the time I get there. I get sales calls at work all the time, they don't bother me at all. Sales is a part of life I'm not going to let it get to me.

I know you weren't trying to be a dick. It's all good. And I've got two yellow labs but unfortunately in this regard, they don't scare anyone. Unless someone is afraid to get licked to death! :)

I also understand that music, television shows and movies are just *fillers* for advertisers. Everything these days is about *Content* to advertise and sell products. When I read about people complaining about the state of the entertainment business and how "music, movies and television aren't as good as it used to be", I'm often in agreement. But the train rolls on because it's all funded by advertising.

Since sales is a part of your life, you're probably a little more tolerant of cold calls and advertising because it's your livelihood (and justifiably so). Just as Rexjake is more tolerant of unions, I'm adverse to illegal downloading, and so on throughout the Chiefsplanet community, we all accept things are are nearer and dearer to our hearts.

Continued success with your business!

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 02:14 PM
It's not like I'd automatically smear poo in your face and slam the door, especially if you're 6'1" with tatoos. :D I'm not quite as much of a jackass in person as I am here, and one of the things that was effectively beat into me as a child was being courteous to strangers. Salespeople generally get a very firm (but somewhat polite) NOT INTERESTED and the door. I'd likely listen to your pitch, thank you for the invitation and politely decline.

It's when people don't go away after this that the problems start. :#

But still, I'd just prefer to be left the hell alone. I know where the churches are; if I feel compelled to get right with the Lord, I don't need directions.

Luckily, we don't get alot of door-to-door people in my neighborhood. I'm in a condo community on the fringe of Naperville, effectively cut off from the main part of the town and certainly looked down upon by the well-to-do snobs who live in the big houses, who probably don't want me in their churches in the first place. :)Your own living room would do fine for the Lord.

BucEyedPea
12-12-2006, 02:15 PM
Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone)
That's just the point it isn't implied to everyone. Ever meet people who can't take a polite hint and persist...well some need more. My community is a deed restricted one, with a no solicitation sign at the front entrance...but they still come in, all kinds. I just tell 'em at the door ( unless it's kids selling for bona fide groups like scouts). They lie and say they didn't know though.

Other than that I agree with BD about cold calls...but to biznesses.
I actually don't mind gettin' those.

DaneMcCloud
12-12-2006, 02:23 PM
That's just the point it isn't implied to everyone. Ever meet people who can't take a polite hint and persist...well some need more. My community is a deed restricted one, with a no solicitation sign at the front entrance...but they still come in, all kinds. I just tell 'em at the door ( unless it's kids selling for bona fide groups like scouts). They lie and say they didn't know though.

Other than that I agree with BD about cold calls...but to biznesses.
I actually don't mind gettin' those.

Los Angeles, for the most part, doesn't consist of gated communities. That's why there are always reports of celebrity stalkers, paparazzi nonsense and the like because there's basically unrestricted access everywhere. We can't just put up a sign to the entrance because there is no single entrance. And I really don't want to put up some ugly sign on the gated entrance to my house, which really wouldn't work anyway because I have a call box directly wired to my phone system for visitors. So it's like a double-whammy for me (phone call AND someone in front of my house).

People should have more respect. That's all I'm sayin'.

KCChiefsMan
12-12-2006, 02:27 PM
I have not read such a statement from Logical, it's a big Planet and may have occured someplace I have not read. Which thread was it on?


As for KCChiefsman, my response to him has to do with the his making a generalization based on a few people he actualy has encountered. The refference to him spitting in food and providing poor service goes back to the same types of generalizations he's made towards other people in the past. He himself has bragged on the Planet how he would intentionally provide poor service to people based on their appearance when he was employed at a resturaunt in KS.


you are correct about that. When I was in college and had to wait tables to pay for it all, I did get extremely frustrated with people who tipped 0-5% when I gave them great service, even half of them mentioned that everything was great themselves and left a buck on a $50 tab. It was a frustrating time, but after a while I just provided bad service to those I had waited on before and I remembered what they tipped, if anything. Because it was stupid on my part to stereotype people based on appearance.

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 02:28 PM
Los Angeles, for the most part, doesn't consist of gated communities. That's why there are always reports of celebrity stalkers, paparazzi nonsense and the like because there's basically unrestricted access everywhere. We can't just put up a sign to the entrance because there is no single entrance. And I really don't want to put up some ugly sign on the gated entrance to my house, which really wouldn't work anyway because I have a call box directly wired to my phone system for visitors. So it's like a double-whammy for me (phone call AND someone in front of my house).

People should have more respect. That's all I'm sayin'.

Paint an upside down pentagram on your front door in red paint. LMAO

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 02:28 PM
Where did that hardcore mofo JSP run off to?

Frazod
12-12-2006, 02:32 PM
Your own living room would do fine for the Lord.

Yes, I know. Personally, I prefer to be outside in an area of great natural beauty. The Black Hills are my favorite church.

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 02:40 PM
Where did that hardcore mofo JSP run off to?:shrug:

listopencil
12-12-2006, 02:45 PM
there is no word :irregardless.

the word is regardless


It's as much a word as any other nonstandard American English one.

BIG_DADDY
12-12-2006, 02:48 PM
:shrug:

This was my favorite. Sometimes I crack myself up. LMAO

Not many people know this about JSP but when he was little his parents gave him a magnifying glass for Christmas. After he used it to burn the family bible he used to burn himself just to feel the pain. Later on he ran away from home and was raised by wolves. Upon returning home he chewed off the head of the family pet. Now he just likes skinning animals alive to hear them scream. You just don't mess with somebody like that. If there is anyone who truly hardcore it's JSP. Personally I think he's unsaveable but hey that's just me. If you try though just remember what I told you. You can't say you weren't warned.

slappyhappy
12-12-2006, 03:01 PM
That's Funny Big_Daddy! I'm not a believer either but I wouldn't go as far as JSP! My philosophy is if you don't want to get bitten, stay out of the cage.

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 03:19 PM
This was my favorite. Sometimes I crack myself up. LMAOThat sounded a lot like one of Redrum's sadistic mother rants.

ROFL

Calcountry
12-12-2006, 03:20 PM
That's Funny Big_Daddy! I'm not a believer either but I wouldn't go as far as JSP! My philosophy is if you don't want to get bitten, stay out of the cage.I am a believer, and I thought that was funny.

stevieray
12-12-2006, 03:21 PM
Another day spent talking about God?


God wins.

noa
12-12-2006, 03:26 PM
Another day spent talking about God?


God wins.


God only won because the non-believers punted on 4th and 6 at the 39 instead of going for it.

Frazod
12-12-2006, 03:27 PM
God only won because the non-believers punted on 4th and 6 at the 39 instead of going for it.

ROFL I'm going to hell, but that's funny.

stevieray
12-12-2006, 03:28 PM
God only won because the non-believers punted on 4th and 6 at the 39 instead of going for it.

God's still winning.

BucEyedPea
12-12-2006, 04:29 PM
Los Angeles, for the most part, doesn't consist of gated communities. That's why there are always reports of celebrity stalkers, paparazzi nonsense and the like because there's basically unrestricted access everywhere. We can't just put up a sign to the entrance because there is no single entrance. And I really don't want to put up some ugly sign on the gated entrance to my house, which really wouldn't work anyway because I have a call box directly wired to my phone system for visitors. So it's like a double-whammy for me (phone call AND someone in front of my house).

People should have more respect. That's all I'm sayin'.

Oh well! Was just a suggestion. How 'bout "Beware of Vicious Dog?" ;)
PS, My community is not gated per se...but does have an entrance with a sign...just no gate.

Oucho Cinco
12-12-2006, 05:38 PM
Guilt is a terrible thing.

I don't understand your comments. If you don't believe in God, you have your freedom from religion. Why stir the pot?

go bowe
12-12-2006, 09:29 PM
pot-stirring is an important ingredient in the chiefs planet experience...

Oucho Cinco
12-12-2006, 09:54 PM
pot-stirring is an important ingredient in the chiefs planet experience...

So you are saying his name should really be Stick?

BucEyedPea
12-12-2006, 10:05 PM
So you are saying his name should really be Stick?
Is another way of sayin' that's his "schitck," :)

Simplex3
12-12-2006, 10:14 PM
The thought that there's nothing else after this... that it just ends... scares the shit out of me. I guess in the end, I try not to think about it much.

I hope there's an afterlife, and I hope that it will be good to me too. I also hope it's not that hard to get in... because I dont really have much faith... just hope.
You should read up on Buddhism. I'm not saying to become a Buddhist, but read up on it. There's a lot of stuff that relates to what you're struggling with here. This book blew my mind:

http://www.amazon.com/Compass-Zen-Shambhala-Dragon-Editions/dp/1570623295/sr=8-1/qid=1165986853/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-5923533-2670449?ie=UTF8&s=books

chiefs4me
12-12-2006, 10:26 PM
pot-stirring is an important ingredient in the chiefs planet experience...

mississippichiefan
12-12-2006, 10:36 PM
I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people.........for every 1,000 "church people" that I've encountered, 900 of them are terrible/stupid/a$$hole people.
Then you have never been to my church . But remember there was only one perfect person and that was the Lord Jesus Christ

Saggysack
12-12-2006, 11:35 PM
*rambling of thoughts*

I personally do not believe in god, the afterlife or anything that comes with it. I do not believe there has been one perfect person on this earth, that includes Jesus. My wife, who is very active in her church, believes the opposite.

Some people will say that man is God's greatest creation, I say that man is god's worst failure. Name me one species that has caused this world more destruction than man? You can't.

Christmas? What happened to Giftmas?

Logical
12-13-2006, 12:21 AM
FWIW Jim, I don't think I've ever felt offended at anything I've read from you. I have pretty much gathered where you stand based on your posts, but to me you've at least presented yourself in a respectful manner (at least in comparison to some of the other posters.:p)

I also hope I haven't come accross to you in any negative way as you indicated some have.

Definitely not, I think I could attend a Church you pastor and discuss the things I find interesting with no worry of pressure or condemnation. I am pretty confident you are a good egg, though you might feel yourself that I am mistaken in some of my beliefs.

Logical
12-13-2006, 12:22 AM
Jim- from what comments I've gathered from you(none of which I would call hateful or opinionated), I'd call you a seeker.. someone open to the idea of a power higher than us, but quite skeptical all the same.

Far from being offended, my church is geared towards people just like you. We welcome those who don't know what to believe, if anything. True Christians are not judgmental- in fact we're loaded with the same problems and hangups as anyone, with no room or right to judge anyone. Those who do can count hypocrisy amongst their own faults.

Z

Thanks Z,

I would love to meet you and share stories some day, you have led from what I can tell a very interesting life.

Count Zarth
12-13-2006, 12:22 AM
Name me one species that has caused this world more destruction than man?

Termites?

Logical
12-13-2006, 12:29 AM
...

If I come up to you on the street or talk to you on your porch and you tell me, "Go away," that's fine--it's your choice, I'll go... But I'm not going to hang back, never approach you, and be worried about offending you...

Hopefully you are not offended when people are rude to you. Because frankly in my view you are no better when you do that than the telemarketer calling my home and you will receive the same verbal abuse that I give them. If you intrude on my life unwelcome I have lost patience with that sort of behavior and act accordingly. I will give you an abrupt not interested and if you don't get the hint be ready for the irate blast same as a telemarketer.

Logical
12-13-2006, 12:35 AM
If it works for you...



If you get that upset over someone knocking on your door, then I'd say your ill will runs a little deeper than concern for your peace, time, and privacy...

I always try to ignore people who call at the door not in FedEx or UPS/Post office uniforms (well except officials fire police etc) and just don't even open the door. If you persist you better be willing to pay the price because I tried to ignore you.

Oh Snap
12-13-2006, 12:53 AM
haha went to church one time. Long story short. The pastor would sing. Crazy funny!! He would hold his hands up and sing ahmen. His voice was all crackly. Pretty funny.

Oh Snap
12-13-2006, 12:54 AM
Now those jahovva witnesses can go to hell. Crazy ****ers.

Logical
12-13-2006, 12:55 AM
I don't think you hate people who are religious as much as you love pissing them off by putting their religious beliefs down and ridiculing them for having faith in such things.

I like to challenge them, to challenge the way they think. I know I come off as an arrogant asshole a lot of the time which is the reason for this thread to try to disuade people of the notion you have that I desire to ridicule. Russ and I are different we have had unfortunate run ins in the past and we have both become hurtful towards each other. This is unfortunate.

Logical
12-13-2006, 01:11 AM
How about a "no solicitation" notice on your door?

Are you equally crabby when salesman, girl scouts, a census worker, or a roofer.....come to your door? ;)

Young kids Cub Scouts, Brownies, Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts are exception, otherwise if they are over 17 beware.

Logical
12-13-2006, 01:38 AM
Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone)

It doesn't but I would love to hear a description of it sometime. I like to see the relative values of homes based on areas people live. Start a thread on it sometime.

Logical
12-13-2006, 01:48 AM
God's still winning.

You know there is nothing wrong with the Creator(s) winning, just as long as organized religion is losing ground.

thepascalblaze
12-13-2006, 02:02 AM
I have attended multiple churches worshippimg Jesus...

...whose members believe members of other churches are doomed to Hell...

...I have encountered many members, of said churches, who have a difficult time believing their God made so many Good poeple be born into different sects, ...
...


...and let the Good be so easily decieved by the word or words of man...


Goodness is the most common thread.

Live it if you want to be good.

Live it if you want to be Good.

Argue over the significance of the capital, or, lowercase "g..."

thepascalblaze
12-13-2006, 02:06 AM
{... but never trapse outside of g(G)ood or ]g[Good to a realm of harm to another.}

In other words, do not cause physical harm to another, over what you think God meant, on the basis of what you heard another human say...

thepascalblaze
12-13-2006, 02:07 AM
In "Hey Zeus'" name,

A Men...

thepascalblaze
12-13-2006, 02:10 AM
PRAY SAID BE_...

thepascalblaze
12-13-2006, 02:23 AM
...Live and decide...

...Dead He invited...

...the rightly revised...

...


you know you had lited

on a point requited

to keep meek

goals so

eekly ...

:

RedDread
12-13-2006, 03:27 AM
...Live and decide...

...Dead He invited...

...the rightly revised...

...


you know you had lited

on a point requited

to keep meek

goals so

eekly ...

:

You better start farting some sense out your cornhole before someone plugs it.

patteeu
12-13-2006, 06:18 AM
Where did that hardcore mofo JSP run off to?

He's kicking some old lady's ass for invading his personal-space bubble while he waited in line at the grocery store.

DaneMcCloud
12-13-2006, 10:14 AM
It doesn't but I would love to hear a description of it sometime. I like to see the relative values of homes based on areas people live. Start a thread on it sometime.

I'd be happy to share via PM's but you can find some pics under the "John Goodman is dead" thread. As you're well aware, I've drawn the ire of several CP members for descriptions of my neighborhood as well as the mere mention of a few of my neighbors.

It seems that it's accepted to start a thread about meeting the 4th string CB from the Chiefs from 1982, but if I mention that Eva Longoria had had a party the other night and I couldn't get my car up the street for 10 minutes while waiting on her valet service, I'm a pariah.

Such is Chiefsplanet.

Redrum_69
12-13-2006, 10:15 AM
I think some here misunderstand my intent as being a hater of people who are believers. If you have been around a long time you would have seen me defend many different religious types from the bigotry of so called Christians.

I personally believe there is a creator(s) but I also suffer from the illogical nature of the idea where did they come from?

So being as we are approaching a religious season for most religions I select this time to apologize for any hurt I may have caused any of the posters on this BB who mean well.

This is a thread not intended to stir the shit so hopefully it can stay in the Lounge.



Wow, youre going to hell....

BIG_DADDY
12-13-2006, 10:25 AM
Hopefully you are not offended when people are rude to you. Because frankly in my view you are no better when you do that than the telemarketer calling my home and you will receive the same verbal abuse that I give them. If you intrude on my life unwelcome I have lost patience with that sort of behavior and act accordingly. I will give you an abrupt not interested and if you don't get the hint be ready for the irate blast same as a telemarketer.

What are you so angry about...................dude?

BIG_DADDY
12-13-2006, 10:32 AM
Young kids Cub Scouts, Brownies, Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts are exception, otherwise if they are over 17 beware.

What about the 18 year old kid raising money for the local football team. What if I come to your door introducing my escort service with a super hot 2 for 1 offer? :hmmm:

BIG_DADDY
12-13-2006, 10:46 AM
He's kicking some old lady's ass for invading his personal-space bubble while he waited in line at the grocery store.

LMAO Dude's ****ing hardcore, what can you say? I heard when he was born he came arm first giving the world the finger. He then proceeded to circumcise himself before bending the doctor over and ****ing her in the ass until she called him daddy. You just don't mess with somebody like that.

Redrum_69
12-13-2006, 10:48 AM
Whats the most controversial thread ever posted on this site?

BucEyedPea
12-13-2006, 10:49 AM
What about the 18 year old kid raising money for the local football team. What if I come to your door introducing my escort service with a super hot 2 for 1 offer? :hmmm:
I let them too. You gotta admit when they're real little 5-8 years old they are too cute to say no to, without feeling like a big Scrooge.

BIG_DADDY
12-13-2006, 10:50 AM
Whats the most controversial thread ever posted on this site?

The girly thread.

Redrum_69
12-13-2006, 10:52 AM
The girly thread.


That was posted in the lounge?

BIG_DADDY
12-13-2006, 10:54 AM
That was posted in the lounge?

Actually it was initially.

BucEyedPea
12-13-2006, 10:59 AM
Some people will say that man is God's greatest creation, I say that man is god's worst failure. Name me one species that has caused this world more destruction than man? You can't.

The dinosaurs? They ate one another. :deevee:
True man can be evil...but on the other side of the coin what other species can create masterpieces of art or music, save one another during a tragic earthshattering crisis, build a skyscraper etc.

Jenson71
12-13-2006, 11:05 AM
The girly thread.

Attention whore.

Actually, it was one of my "Social Commentaries" threads.

:)

chagrin
12-13-2006, 11:05 AM
Name me one species that has caused this world more destruction than man?

The Chiefs Planeteer

J Diddy
12-13-2006, 12:52 PM
god bless you

Calcountry
12-13-2006, 12:59 PM
I have attended multiple churches worshippimg Jesus...

...whose members believe members of other churches are doomed to Hell...

...I have encountered many members, of said churches, who have a difficult time believing their God made so many Good poeple be born into different sects, ...
...


...and let the Good be so easily decieved by the word or words of man...


Goodness is the most common thread.

Live it if you want to be good.

Live it if you want to be Good.

Argue over the significance of the capital, or, lowercase "g..."That sounds like THE Church of Christ.

Everyone else but them are going to hell.

Dave Lane
12-13-2006, 02:17 PM
That sounds like THE Church of Christ.

Everyone else but them are going to hell.


See my sig...

Dave

MOhillbilly
12-13-2006, 02:24 PM
The dinosaurs? They ate one another. :deevee:
True man can be evil...but on the other side of the coin what other species can create masterpieces of art or music, save one another during a tragic earthshattering crisis, build a skyscraper etc.


man is duality.

Calcountry
12-13-2006, 02:27 PM
See my sig...

DaveI belong to an organized Church, but that in no way will get me, nor will it deny anyone due to the lack of attending said church, admission to Heavan.

That is between you and the Creator of Heaven and the Earth.

Logical
12-13-2006, 04:50 PM
What are you so angry about...................dude?

I have hated door to door and phone solicitors since I was young. Not angry just don't like to be bothered. If I want something I will seek it out.

Logical
12-13-2006, 04:53 PM
What about the 18 year old kid raising money for the local football team. What if I come to your door introducing my escort service with a super hot 2 for 1 offer? :hmmm:


The dummy should have graduated a year ago.;)

I actually set the limit at 17 for just such an example. I am not so fantastic at judging age as to be able to tell in all likelihood.

LOL at the escort service going door to door.ROFL

ZepSinger
12-13-2006, 06:03 PM
I belong to an organized Church, but that in no way will get me, nor will it deny anyone due to the lack of attending said church, admission to Heavan.

That is between you and the Creator of Heaven and the Earth.

Word.

Z