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chiefqueen
12-19-2006, 02:39 PM
That 11:00 in Hawaii.

StcChief
12-19-2006, 02:40 PM
Do we get a Token PBer or more.

morphius
12-19-2006, 02:46 PM
Shields, LJ and TG would be my guess. Couldn't really see anyone else earning it.

Redrum_69
12-19-2006, 02:47 PM
Samie Parker....Ty Law....Greg Wesley....Kendrell Bell....Kyle Turley

Rain Man
12-19-2006, 02:54 PM
Can someone in Hawaii post it?

Wa-Z
12-19-2006, 02:55 PM
Samie Parker....Ty Law....Greg Wesley....Kendrell Bell....Kyle Turley

And your mom.

FAX
12-19-2006, 02:55 PM
Ja-red, maybe?

FAX

Bob Dole
12-19-2006, 03:03 PM
It's 3:03.

Bob Dole's phone isn't ringing.

Damnit.

JBucc
12-19-2006, 03:05 PM
****ing AI trade has taken over ESPN.

Phobia
12-19-2006, 03:05 PM
Can someone in Hawaii post it?

You're the best.

Mecca
12-19-2006, 03:07 PM
****ing AI trade has taken over ESPN.

Well that trade is a huge deal....

tk13
12-19-2006, 03:07 PM
Hold off the announcement, Allen Iverson got traded. Sit down, NFL, David Stern owns you.

Bob Dole
12-19-2006, 03:07 PM
Nice. Roid Merriman makes the Pro Bowl.

Fine example for our youth. See? Cheaters DO prosper.

JazzzLovr
12-19-2006, 03:08 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

4 Chiefs: Will Shields, Brian Waters, Tony G, LJ

FAX
12-19-2006, 03:09 PM
Glad to see Waters in.

FAX

Mecca
12-19-2006, 03:09 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

4 Chiefs: Will Shields, Brian Waters, Tony G, LJ

And a very underserving Will Shields goes just as I expected.....Waters was marginal the other 2 were no brainers.

OnTheWarpath58
12-19-2006, 03:09 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

4 Chiefs: Will Shields, Brian Waters, Tony G, LJ

I almost posted that too....

Edge doesn't play in the AFC anymore....

Last year's list...

DMAC
12-19-2006, 03:09 PM
P Brian Moorman??!!!!

Colquitt got scweeedd

Bob Dole
12-19-2006, 03:10 PM
Sheilds, Waters, Gonzo and LJ. No defense.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

JBucc
12-19-2006, 03:10 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

4 Chiefs: Will Shields, Brian Waters, Tony G, LJ
Willie Roaf made it!

Simplex3
12-19-2006, 03:11 PM
Wait just a f**king minute? These mutha-f**kin' honkeys are dissin' a real SOLJA? F**K THEM! It's a white man's conspiracy I tell ya!

DMAC
12-19-2006, 03:11 PM
looks right to me

JazzzLovr
12-19-2006, 03:11 PM
I almost posted that too....

Edge doesn't play in the AFC anymore....

Last year's list...

Willie Roaf made it!

Try hitting refresh. Or clear your cache and try again.

DMAC
12-19-2006, 03:11 PM
Wait just a f**king minute? These mutha-f**kin' honkeys are dissin' a real SOLJA? F**K THEM! It's a white man's conspiracy I tell ya!HA HA, good.

Mecca
12-19-2006, 03:12 PM
P Brian Moorman??!!!!

Colquitt got scweeedd

Just like with Oline Moormans gone before so until Colquitt is better than him by a good margin he won't beat him out.

Simplex3
12-19-2006, 03:13 PM
Two notes:

Steroidman making it is sad. Really sad. Being busted for 'roids should be an automatic punt for that year.

Who did we get instead of Kaeding again?

The Bad Guy
12-19-2006, 03:14 PM
Tony Homo making it over Vick is a joke.

Simplex3
12-19-2006, 03:15 PM
Tony Homo making it over Vick is a joke.
No, Vick is the joke.

The Bad Guy
12-19-2006, 03:17 PM
No, Vick is the joke.

Bullshit.

He's posted very good numbers this year.

21 total TDs, 11 picks and almost 1,000 rushing yards.

Bob Dole
12-19-2006, 03:18 PM
Amy Day made it too!

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/cheerleaders/91_dsc_7535.jpg

Bob Dole
12-19-2006, 03:19 PM
Tony Homo making it over Vick is a joke.

He's leading America's Team.

,,

Rooster
12-19-2006, 03:23 PM
Well that trade is a huge deal....

:rolleyes:

Mecca
12-19-2006, 03:25 PM
:rolleyes:

Well just because you don't care about the NBA doesn't mean everyone doesn't........and no one watches the pro bowl.

SNR
12-19-2006, 03:25 PM
Just like with Oline Moormans gone before so until Colquitt is better than him by a good margin he won't beat him out.Yep. It's great to be Will Shields. Play in all 16 games and you get a free trip to Hawaii every year.

Not dissing Will or anything, but he's aged quite a bit. This will probably be his last Pro Bowl.

hawkchief
12-19-2006, 03:27 PM
Realizing there is dead wodd on the Pro Bowl roser every year, I would hazzard a guess that for a non-playoff team, over the past 10 years we have had more than our fair share of PB players on the roster. Another pathetic statistic for the Chiefs franchise - one that gets so little out of more than its' share of talent.

siberian khatru
12-19-2006, 03:28 PM
I love Shields. He belongs on the Ring of Fame.

But no way does he deserve the Pro Bowl this year.

htismaqe
12-19-2006, 03:29 PM
Bullshit.

He's posted very good numbers this year.

21 total TDs, 11 picks and almost 1,000 rushing yards.

His completion percentage is insane too, is it not?

Rain Man
12-19-2006, 03:30 PM
Well just because you don't care about the NBA doesn't mean everyone doesn't........and no one watches the pro bowl.

The key fact, though, is that I don't care about everyone else.

Simplex3
12-19-2006, 03:30 PM
Bullshit.

He's posted very good numbers this year.

21 total TDs, 11 picks and almost 1,000 rushing yards.
OOOooOOooo. Aaaaaaahhhhh. Oooohhhhhh.

Popin' fresh dough.

You can tell how cool Ron Mexico is by the number of playoff games he's won for the Falcons.

ChiTown
12-19-2006, 03:32 PM
I love Shields. He belongs on the Ring of Fame.

But no way does he deserve the Pro Bowl this year.

I agree.

His spot on the PB Roster must be for a Lifetime Achievement. This has easily been his least productive year.

Basileus777
12-19-2006, 03:34 PM
The one year Vick actually deserves to go to the pro-bowl he doesn't get in. ROFL

Lynch and Hardwick making it is a joke too. And Terrence Newman got screwed.

tk13
12-19-2006, 03:35 PM
OOOooOOooo. Aaaaaaahhhhh. Oooohhhhhh.

Popin' fresh dough.

You can tell how cool Ron Mexico is by the number of playoff games he's won for the Falcons.
Well, to be fair, they were in the NFC championship just two years ago, and Vick is the only QB in NFL history to win a road playoff game in Lambeau Field.

Lzen
12-19-2006, 03:36 PM
According to NFL.com, Vick has a completion percentage of 52.8%. He has thrown 19 TDs(not 21) and 11 INTS. His passer rating is an average(or below average?) 77.9. There are 8 QBs just in the NFC with a better passer rating. The only thing Mike Vick has going for him is his ability to scramble.

Mecca
12-19-2006, 03:36 PM
The one year Vick actually deserves to go to the pro-bowl he doesn't get in. ROFL

Lynch and Hardwick making it is a joke too. And Terrence Newman got screwed.

They had to take someone from the Chargers line......we had more Oline pro bowlers than them, now that's comical.

FAX
12-19-2006, 03:37 PM
I love Shields. He belongs on the Ring of Fame.

But no way does he deserve the Pro Bowl this year.

True. Very true. But, I'm glad he made it anyway, Mr. siberian khatru.

This honor is based on past performance, to be sure. But he'll never get a ring and he's been a phenominal performer for a long time, so this is better than a big, "Thanks for the good times. See ya." from Carl.

FAX

Mecca
12-19-2006, 03:37 PM
According to NFL.com, Vick has a completion percentage of 52.8%. He has thrown 19 TDs(not 21) and 11 INTS. His passer rating is an average(or below average?) 77.9. There are 8 QBs just in the NFC with a better passer rating. The only thing Mike Vick has going for him is his ability to scramble.

He said 21 total TD's I believe.........

I still don't think Romo should have gone he didn't start till several weeks into the year.

Basileus777
12-19-2006, 03:38 PM
They had to take someone from the Chargers line......we had more Oline pro bowlers than them, now that's comical.

Goff should have made it over Shields. Hardwick gets pushed around like a ragamuffin way too often to be considered a pro-bowler.

tk13
12-19-2006, 03:39 PM
Actually, with Brad Johnson getting benched... heading into the playoffs this year, the only current starting QB with more playoff wins than Vick in the NFC is now Brett Favre.

Basileus777
12-19-2006, 03:39 PM
Actually, with Brad Johnson getting benched... the only QB with more playoff wins than Vick in the NFC is now Brett Favre.

What about Delhomme?

Lzen
12-19-2006, 03:41 PM
He said 21 total TD's I believe.........

I still don't think Romo should have gone he didn't start till several weeks into the year.

Oh, I see. 19 passing and 2 rushing TDs? I still think Vick is way overrated as a passer. And I do agree with the Romo pick. That guy has been very solid since they put him at the helm. He's been better that most other QBs in the NFL in that time span. Of course, going by that same logic, Damon Huard should be in the Pro Bowl, as well. :thumb:

Rooster
12-19-2006, 03:42 PM
I will have to look up River's numbers. I didn't think he was pro-bowl worthy.

tk13
12-19-2006, 03:42 PM
What about Delhomme?
He's not their starter anymore.

Basileus777
12-19-2006, 03:43 PM
He's not their starter anymore.

Only because of injury, he wasn't benched for his play (though he was playing like crap).

Drunk
12-19-2006, 03:43 PM
The San Diego Chargers have tied the 1985 Chicago Bears for active pro-bowlers on one team... with 9. The 9 players are listed below. Among the 9, 5 offensive and defensive starters are included, with two special teams players selected.

Nick Hardwick C
Antonio Gates TE
Philip Rivers QB
LaDainian Tomlinson HB
Lorenzo Neal FB
Shawne Merriman LB
Jamal Williams DT
Nate Kaeding PK
Kassim Osgood ST

Mecca
12-19-2006, 03:43 PM
I will have to look up River's numbers. I didn't think he was pro-bowl worthy.

Eh, pretty good year really. Outside of Manning and Palmer he's right there and the Chargers have the best record so that counts in his favor as QB.

JBucc
12-19-2006, 03:44 PM
I will have to look up River's numbers. I didn't think he was pro-bowl worthy.
He has good numbers but Brady deserved it more imo.

HemiEd
12-19-2006, 03:48 PM
You're the best.

But he has lost a little of his burst. He still thinks the Chiefs can go 10-6.

tk13
12-19-2006, 03:49 PM
Actually, here's the number of playoff wins by current starting QB's going into this week. I think this is all of them. Not very impressive.

Farve - 11
Brady - 10
McNair - 5
Roethlisberger - 5
Manning - 3
Vick - 2
Pennington - 2
Hasselbeck - 2

Bulger, Garcia, A. Brooks - 1

Pitt Gorilla
12-19-2006, 03:49 PM
Shields, LJ and TG would be my guess. Couldn't really see anyone else earning it.Waters>Shields

Buck
12-19-2006, 03:56 PM
WTF how did Polamalu make it, he has been out forever.

the Talking Can
12-19-2006, 04:02 PM
no one on our OL deserved it

but then neither did Lynch....just reputation

Thig Lyfe
12-19-2006, 04:05 PM
F this S... Colquitt got gypped.

boltpower 21
12-19-2006, 04:06 PM
Rivers deserved the nod over Brady IMO. The selections were made prior to this weeks game so if you want to look at statistics, you need to look at the stats from the week before.

Rivers had the better numbers.

Hadwick didn't deserve the spot but someone on the o-line had to go for the job they've been doing this year for LT. I think McNeill is playing the best out of the group but a rookie LT isn't going to make it. Actually there really is no stand out on the o-line. They're just playing really well as a group.

Thig Lyfe
12-19-2006, 04:07 PM
Oh man... Marques Colston got screwed over too...

Mecca
12-19-2006, 04:12 PM
Taking rookies hardly ever happens......Merriman and Boldin did it....but you pretty much have to be destroying the rest of the league to get that kind of knod.

boltpower 21
12-19-2006, 04:16 PM
Too many great WRs in the NFC.

Glad to see T.O. got left out.

Thig Lyfe
12-19-2006, 04:18 PM
Taking rookies hardly ever happens......Merriman and Boldin did it....but you pretty much have to be destroying the rest of the league to get that kind of knod.

knod??

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
12-19-2006, 04:18 PM
What is complete BS is that Ryan Sims was not picked. I guess no one saw him on tape.

Chiefnj
12-19-2006, 04:20 PM
Fan voting should be outlawed by the Pro Bowl committee.

They had a stat that Eli Manning, yes Eli, was #10 in fan voting via sprint. That's the 10th highest number of votes from all players - not just QB's.

Mecca
12-19-2006, 04:20 PM
Too many great WRs in the NFC.

Glad to see T.O. got left out.

I find it funny that people think Owens is sucking so bad.....he leads recievers in TD's and is on pace to catch about 100 balls.

boltpower 21
12-19-2006, 04:23 PM
I find it funny that people think Owens is sucking so bad.....he leads recievers in TD's and is on pace to catch about 100 balls.

I don't think he's sucking this year, in fact he's having a pretty good year but he's a piece of garbage in my eyes so I'm happy he did not get selected.

tk13
12-19-2006, 04:24 PM
I find it funny that people think Owens is sucking so bad.....he leads recievers in TD's and is on pace to catch about 100 balls.
He also leads the NFL in overdoses.

Halfcan
12-19-2006, 04:24 PM
Glad Todor spitter got left out too.

Tony Homo over Brett Favre-what a travesty. Homo has only played in a few games, with mixed results at that.

Mecca
12-19-2006, 04:25 PM
Glad Todor spitter got left out too.

Tony Homo over Brett Favre-what a travesty. Homo has only played in a few games, with mixed results at that.

You need to work on nick names that's about the worst one ever....

Drunk
12-19-2006, 04:30 PM
He also leads the NFL in overdoses.
LOL!

The Bad Guy
12-19-2006, 04:34 PM
OOOooOOooo. Aaaaaaahhhhh. Oooohhhhhh.

Popin' fresh dough.

You can tell how cool Ron Mexico is by the number of playoff games he's won for the Falcons.

Oh, so the Pro Bowl should be about playoff wins?

Just admit you lost the argument. It's not real hard to do.

Ari Chi3fs
12-19-2006, 04:48 PM
your shitty Kstate picture is WAY outta Sig rules.

Sig Nazi?!

Oh, Sig Nazi!

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/3651-1/KansasStat_Aiken_11913497_Max.jpg

PinkFloyd
12-19-2006, 04:48 PM
I can't believe Huard didn't make it !!!









ROFL

Reerun_KC
12-19-2006, 04:55 PM
I can't believe Huard didn't make it !!!
ROFL


Preparing for Hootie to Meltdown in 3.......2...........1........

CoMoChief
12-19-2006, 04:58 PM
P Brian Moorman??!!!!

Colquitt got scweeedd


I'd almost would wanna have Moorman as the Chiefs P.

He's fast as shit and was competing in that NFL's fastest man competition.

Great for fake punts !!!

trndobrd
12-19-2006, 05:12 PM
What is complete BS is that Ryan Sims was not picked. I guess no one saw him on tape.


The Krispy Kreme security camera tape?

dirk digler
12-19-2006, 05:41 PM
How the **** did Andre Johnson become a starter? I can name 10 WR's in the AFC better than that guy

No way Rivers should have been in there.

At least we beat the Donkeys they only got 2 in

Mecca
12-19-2006, 05:42 PM
How the **** did Andre Johnson become a starter? I can name 10 WR's in the AFC better than that guy.

No way Rivers should have been in there.

At least we beat the Donkeys they only got 2 in

Johnson was leading the league in yards for about 7-8 weeks.

dirk digler
12-19-2006, 05:44 PM
Johnson was leading the league in yards for about 7-8 weeks.

No way he should have been a starter. Javon Walker should have made it.

Halfcan
12-19-2006, 05:45 PM
You need to work on nick names that's about the worst one ever....

TOdor is from his stoopid comercial-send Todor right over.

Dark Horse
12-19-2006, 07:19 PM
your shitty Kstate picture is WAY outta Sig rules.

Sig Nazi?!

Oh, Sig Nazi!

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/3651-1/KansasStat_Aiken_11913497_Max.jpg

You may not like the picture but thats some serious air must have his anti gravity boots on.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-19-2006, 07:28 PM
Rivers deserved the nod over Brady IMO. The selections were made prior to this weeks game so if you want to look at statistics, you need to look at the stats from the week before.

Rivers had the better numbers.

Hadwick didn't deserve the spot but someone on the o-line had to go for the job they've been doing this year for LT. I think McNeill is playing the best out of the group but a rookie LT isn't going to make it. Actually there really is no stand out on the o-line. They're just playing really well as a group.

You are a complete dumbass.

Brady has a bunch of scrub WRs, an injured Maroney, and a 200 year old Corey Dillon, and two above average TEs.

You have the Best TE and RB in the game and a pretty good oline. Rivers deserved it like I deserved to go to the Pro Bowl over Julius Peppers because of my quick first step off the line :rolleyes:

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-19-2006, 07:28 PM
I'd almost would wanna have Moorman as the Chiefs P.

He's fast as shit and was competing in that NFL's fastest man competition.

Great for fake punts !!!

Didn't he go to Pitt St?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-19-2006, 07:30 PM
Tony f*cking Romo made the Pro Bowl...:shake:

Halfcan
12-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Tony f*cking Romo made the Pro Bowl...:shake:

Its good for the NFL to have the face of Americas team in there.

Halfcan
12-19-2006, 07:39 PM
Rivers does not impress me too much, seems that he can't figure out what the D is getting ready to do to him. Oh yeah and he throws a big tantrum every time he makes a bonehead pass.

Bwana
12-19-2006, 07:54 PM
Rivers deserved the nod over Brady IMO. The selections were made prior to this weeks game so if you want to look at statistics, you need to look at the stats from the week before.

Rivers had the better numbers.

Hadwick didn't deserve the spot but someone on the o-line had to go for the job they've been doing this year for LT. I think McNeill is playing the best out of the group but a rookie LT isn't going to make it. Actually there really is no stand out on the o-line. They're just playing really well as a group.

ROFL

DagoTom
12-19-2006, 08:10 PM
Rivers does not impress me too much, seems that he can't figure out what the D is getting ready to do to him. Oh yeah and he throws a big tantrum every time he makes a bonehead pass.

Exaggerate much?

Mecca
12-19-2006, 10:47 PM
Rivers actually has a higher QB rating than Brady does I believe....or atleast he did when they were selecting these teams.

Valiant
12-19-2006, 11:46 PM
He said 21 total TD's I believe.........

I still don't think Romo should have gone he didn't start till several weeks into the year.


But Romo still somehow has thrown for more yards... Funny isn't it??? Romo is clearly the better QB...

Valiant
12-19-2006, 11:50 PM
I will have to look up River's numbers. I didn't think he was pro-bowl worthy.


He is not.. Brady, McNair and Losman should have all been ahead of him.. But because of LT he gets the nod for the record and points scored..

This is why I think the Pro Bowl players should be picked by the players and coaches in the league and not the fans especially the ones of the coasts in big cities...

Valiant
12-19-2006, 11:53 PM
No way he should have been a starter. Javon Walker should have made it.


Honestly Indy's and Cinci Starters should have all made it...

boltpower 21
12-20-2006, 12:36 AM
You are a complete dumbass.

Brady has a bunch of scrub WRs, an injured Maroney, and a 200 year old Corey Dillon, and two above average TEs.

You have the Best TE and RB in the game and a pretty good oline. Rivers deserved it like I deserved to go to the Pro Bowl over Julius Peppers because of my quick first step off the line :rolleyes:

Through week 14 (the votes had to be in before week 15):

Rivers had a higher passer rating

Rivers had a higher TD-INT ratio (18-6) to (20-12) for Brady.

Rivers had slightly less but nearly even passing yards (2879 to 2946).

I agree that Rivers has a better supporting cast but you're voting for the player who performed the best, regardless of the situation they are in.

Timing is also everything. Rivers had a hot month before the voting closed. He had two big games and led the back-to-back comebacks on national TV against the Bengals and Broncos. He had the bad game against the Raiders and the so-so game against the Bills but came back and lit up the Broncos again the last week of voting.

Meanwhile, Brady had the so-so game against the Jets, the great game against the Packers, a bad game against the Bears, a so-so game against the Lions and closed out with the absolute horrible game against the Dolphins.

And remember, the Pro-Bowl is not just a fan vote. 2/3 of the vote comes from players and coaches so for his fellow players and the coaches around the league to vote for a first year starting quarterback over a two time Super Bowl MVP really says a lot.

Bill Parcells
12-20-2006, 12:39 AM
Rivers deserved the nod over Brady IMO. The selections were made prior to this weeks game so if you want to look at statistics, you need to look at the stats from the week before.

Rivers had the better numbers.

Hadwick didn't deserve the spot but someone on the o-line had to go for the job they've been doing this year for LT. I think McNeill is playing the best out of the group but a rookie LT isn't going to make it. Actually there really is no stand out on the o-line. They're just playing really well as a group.
http://i16.tinypic.com/4hx5452.jpg

boltpower 21
12-20-2006, 01:31 AM
I found a good post from a Chargers board about the Rivers-Brady debate:

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First the total season numbers:

Completion Percentage
Rivers - 64.5%
Brady - 60.5%
Advantage: Rivers

Passing Yards
Rivers - 2879
Brady - 2946
Advantage: Brady (Although Brady has needed 47 more attempts to get those extra 67 yards)

Yards Per Attempt
Rivers - 7.52
Brady - 6.85
Advantage: Rivers

Yards Per Completion
Rivers - 11.66
Brady - 11.33
Advantage: Rivers

Touchdowns
Rivers - 18
Brady - 20
Advantage: Brady

Interceptions
Rivers - 6
Brady - 12
Advantage: Rivers (A huge difference-maker here, IMO)

QB Rating
Rivers - 96.3
Brady - 84.9
Advantage: Rivers


Now let's look at some of the best/worst performance numbers:

3 Best Games (As measured by QB Rating)
Rivers - W/L: 3-0 - 68/98 - 69.4% - 951 Yds - 7 TD - 0 INT - 124.1 QB Rating
Brady - W/L: 3-0 - 67/101 - 66.3% - 811 Yds - 10 TD - 1 INT - 119.7 QB Rating
Advantage: Rivers
(I did not include Rivers' first game against Oakland in this calculation even though his 133.9 rating was his second highest of the season because he only had 11 attempts in that game)

3 Worst Games (As measured by QB Rating)
Rivers - W/L: 1-2 - 52/96 - 54.2% - 544 Yds - 3 TD - 3 INT - 68.2 QB Rating
Brady - W/L: 1-2 - 47/89 - 52.8% - 499 Yds - 1 TD - 5 INT - 49.8 QB Rating
Advantage: Rivers

Games Below 60% Completion Percentage
Rivers - 4
Brady - 7
Advantage: Rivers

Games With 70% Or Higher Completion Percentage
Rivers - 4
Brady - 1
Advantage: Rivers

Games With 300 Or More Yards Passing
Rivers - 2
Brady - 3
Advantage: Brady

Games With Less Than 200 Yards Passing
Rivers - 4
Brady - 5
Advantage: Rivers

50+ Yard Passes
Rivers - 3
Brady - 1
Advantage: Rivers

Games With At Least 1 TD Pass
Rivers - 11
Brady - 10
Advantage: Rivers

Games With Multiple TD Passes
Rivers - 6
Brady - 6
Advantage: Even

Games With No Interceptions
Rivers - 8
Brady - 5
Advantage: Rivers

Games With Multiple Interceptions
Rivers - 1
Brady - 2
Advantage: Rivers

Games With A QB Rating Below 80
Rivers - 2
Brady - 5
Advantage: Rivers

Games With A QB Rating Below 90
Rivers - 4
Brady - 9
Advantage: Rivers

Games With A QB Rating Of 100 Or Higher
Rivers - 5
Brady - 3
Advantage: Rivers

Games With A QB Rating Of 120 Or Higher
Rivers - 3
Brady - 1
Advantage: Rivers


One of Brady's noted qualities is how "clutch" he is in critical games/situations. Now let's compare Rivers' and Brady's QB Ratings in several "clutch" categories (and a couple of other key comparison categories):

Situation-----------------------Rivers---------Brady--------Advantage
4th Q: +/- 3 pts.---------------107.5---------105.4--------Rivers
Last 2 Min. Of Half--------------102.8----------79.8--------Rivers
2nd Half------------------------104.8----------83.2--------Rivers
4th Qtr-------------------------122.0----------88.2--------Rivers
3rd Down------------------------96.1----------73.8--------Rivers
4th Down (Att)-----------------158.3 (5)------139.0 (7)----Rivers
When Behind---------------------96.4----------69.3--------Rivers
Opp 19-1 Ydline (Red Zone)------111.6---------104.9-------Rivers
Against the Blitz-----------------132.2----------81.8-------Rivers
vs. AFC--------------------------92.9----------76.3-------Rivers
vs. NFC-------------------------113.6---------101.7-------Rivers


Now let's look at the most important stat of all for any starting QB. This is something Brady's supporters often point to in his favor especially when compared with Peyton Manning - wins:

Rivers - 11-2 ; AFC West Champions ; Current 1st Seed In AFC
Brady - 9-4 ; 2 Game Lead In AFC East ; Current 4th Seed In AFC
Advantage: Rivers

Please note that all of this is not meant to suggest that Tom Brady is not a great quarterback - he obviously is. In fact many believe he's the best in the entire NFL and you can certianly make a strong case for him. And I know it's obvious that the Chargers have a better overall team with much better talent at the RB, TE and WR positions especially. But that still doesn't change the fact that a Pro Bowl invite is supposed to be about what you did on the field in 2006 and in looking at these comparisons, well...there really is no comparison. Rivers has been better than Brady at their respective bests, better than Brady at their worst, better in all the key "clutch" situations, better overall in almost every statistical way, and has his team with a better record and better playoff positioning.

I don't see how Rivers could do much more to state his case. On a team where the RB is rushing for a record 26 TDs (so far), he's just not going to throw 35 TDs or for 4,500 yards. He's been excellent when his number has been called and even at his worst he's never really hurt the team badly with critical, repeated turnovers or major boneheaded plays. Things may change between the 2 this weekend, but looking at things as they are right now, in my opinion he clearly deserves the 3rd AFC QB Pro Bowl spot. Brady's past performance, Super Bowl rings, name recognition and reputation should not factor into this process for the 2006 Pro Bowl, but I'm afraid they will. Let's hope Rivers has an amazing game against KC this weekend that gives voters no choice but to recognize his outstanding play this season at the controls of the league's best team.
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Philip River's QB Rating This Season (Through 14 Games)

1st Quarter - 80.7
2nd Quarter - 87.5
3rd Quarter - 87.9
4th Quarter - 116.9

1st Down - 83.6
2nd Down - 97.5
3rd Down - 89.0
4th Down - 158.3 (Perfect rating)

Valiant
12-20-2006, 02:05 AM
I found a good post from a Chargers board about the Rivers-Brady debate:

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First the total season numbers:

Completion Percentage
Rivers - 64.5%
Brady - 60.5%
Advantage: Rivers

Passing Yards
Rivers - 2879
Brady - 2946
Advantage: Brady (Although Brady has needed 47 more attempts to get those extra 67 yards)

Yards Per Attempt
Rivers - 7.52
Brady - 6.85
Advantage: Rivers

Yards Per Completion
Rivers - 11.66
Brady - 11.33
Advantage: Rivers

Touchdowns
Rivers - 18
Brady - 20
Advantage: Brady

Interceptions
Rivers - 6
Brady - 12
Advantage: Rivers (A huge difference-maker here, IMO)

QB Rating
Rivers - 96.3
Brady - 84.9
Advantage: Rivers


Now let's look at some of the best/worst performance numbers:

3 Best Games (As measured by QB Rating)
Rivers - W/L: 3-0 - 68/98 - 69.4% - 951 Yds - 7 TD - 0 INT - 124.1 QB Rating
Brady - W/L: 3-0 - 67/101 - 66.3% - 811 Yds - 10 TD - 1 INT - 119.7 QB Rating
Advantage: Rivers
(I did not include Rivers' first game against Oakland in this calculation even though his 133.9 rating was his second highest of the season because he only had 11 attempts in that game)

3 Worst Games (As measured by QB Rating)
Rivers - W/L: 1-2 - 52/96 - 54.2% - 544 Yds - 3 TD - 3 INT - 68.2 QB Rating
Brady - W/L: 1-2 - 47/89 - 52.8% - 499 Yds - 1 TD - 5 INT - 49.8 QB Rating
Advantage: Rivers

Games Below 60% Completion Percentage
Rivers - 4
Brady - 7
Advantage: Rivers

Games With 70% Or Higher Completion Percentage
Rivers - 4
Brady - 1
Advantage: Rivers

Games With 300 Or More Yards Passing
Rivers - 2
Brady - 3
Advantage: Brady

Games With Less Than 200 Yards Passing
Rivers - 4
Brady - 5
Advantage: Rivers

50+ Yard Passes
Rivers - 3
Brady - 1
Advantage: Rivers

Games With At Least 1 TD Pass
Rivers - 11
Brady - 10
Advantage: Rivers

Games With Multiple TD Passes
Rivers - 6
Brady - 6
Advantage: Even

Games With No Interceptions
Rivers - 8
Brady - 5
Advantage: Rivers

Games With Multiple Interceptions
Rivers - 1
Brady - 2
Advantage: Rivers

Games With A QB Rating Below 80
Rivers - 2
Brady - 5
Advantage: Rivers

Games With A QB Rating Below 90
Rivers - 4
Brady - 9
Advantage: Rivers

Games With A QB Rating Of 100 Or Higher
Rivers - 5
Brady - 3
Advantage: Rivers

Games With A QB Rating Of 120 Or Higher
Rivers - 3
Brady - 1
Advantage: Rivers


One of Brady's noted qualities is how "clutch" he is in critical games/situations. Now let's compare Rivers' and Brady's QB Ratings in several "clutch" categories (and a couple of other key comparison categories):

Situation-----------------------Rivers---------Brady--------Advantage
4th Q: +/- 3 pts.---------------107.5---------105.4--------Rivers
Last 2 Min. Of Half--------------102.8----------79.8--------Rivers
2nd Half------------------------104.8----------83.2--------Rivers
4th Qtr-------------------------122.0----------88.2--------Rivers
3rd Down------------------------96.1----------73.8--------Rivers
4th Down (Att)-----------------158.3 (5)------139.0 (7)----Rivers
When Behind---------------------96.4----------69.3--------Rivers
Opp 19-1 Ydline (Red Zone)------111.6---------104.9-------Rivers
Against the Blitz-----------------132.2----------81.8-------Rivers
vs. AFC--------------------------92.9----------76.3-------Rivers
vs. NFC-------------------------113.6---------101.7-------Rivers


Now let's look at the most important stat of all for any starting QB. This is something Brady's supporters often point to in his favor especially when compared with Peyton Manning - wins:

Rivers - 11-2 ; AFC West Champions ; Current 1st Seed In AFC
Brady - 9-4 ; 2 Game Lead In AFC East ; Current 4th Seed In AFC
Advantage: Rivers

Please note that all of this is not meant to suggest that Tom Brady is not a great quarterback - he obviously is. In fact many believe he's the best in the entire NFL and you can certianly make a strong case for him. And I know it's obvious that the Chargers have a better overall team with much better talent at the RB, TE and WR positions especially. But that still doesn't change the fact that a Pro Bowl invite is supposed to be about what you did on the field in 2006 and in looking at these comparisons, well...there really is no comparison. Rivers has been better than Brady at their respective bests, better than Brady at their worst, better in all the key "clutch" situations, better overall in almost every statistical way, and has his team with a better record and better playoff positioning.

I don't see how Rivers could do much more to state his case. On a team where the RB is rushing for a record 26 TDs (so far), he's just not going to throw 35 TDs or for 4,500 yards. He's been excellent when his number has been called and even at his worst he's never really hurt the team badly with critical, repeated turnovers or major boneheaded plays. Things may change between the 2 this weekend, but looking at things as they are right now, in my opinion he clearly deserves the 3rd AFC QB Pro Bowl spot. Brady's past performance, Super Bowl rings, name recognition and reputation should not factor into this process for the 2006 Pro Bowl, but I'm afraid they will. Let's hope Rivers has an amazing game against KC this weekend that gives voters no choice but to recognize his outstanding play this season at the controls of the league's best team.
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Philip River's QB Rating This Season (Through 14 Games)

1st Quarter - 80.7
2nd Quarter - 87.5
3rd Quarter - 87.9
4th Quarter - 116.9

1st Down - 83.6
2nd Down - 97.5
3rd Down - 89.0
4th Down - 158.3 (Perfect rating)


Sorry all those stats mean jack shit when Rivers is living off of LT... Teams gameplan agianst LT not Rivers second tier ass, Teams gameplan agianst Brady because he is their offense... You can throw any QB behind the Oline in SD and he will do fine...

I am sorry but you are straight up being a homer on believing that Rivers deserved a ProBowl spot... This is also another reason why Probowl voting is skewed because fans get to vote, and vote for their players over the better players...

Valiant
12-20-2006, 02:11 AM
Brady's past performance, Super Bowl rings, name recognition and reputation should not factor into this process for the 2006 Pro Bowl, but I'm afraid they will. Let's hope Rivers has an amazing game against KC this weekend that gives voters no choice but to recognize his outstanding play this season at the controls of the league's best team.

It should have said let's hope River's stats off of teams gameplaning agianst LT do not let voters think Rivers is actually Pro Bowl material.. You know by that reasoning above, Trent Dilfer should have been a ProBowl player the year they went to the Superbowl because he guided the offense...

HMc
12-20-2006, 03:38 AM
that rookie receiver in new orleans got properly rooted, and they need to remove strahan from the /prowbowl page, he aint going.

boltpower 21
12-20-2006, 04:43 AM
I was expecting for Rivers to get the last spot since Brady hasn't been looking good in the last month or so.

But I wouldn't have been surprised for Brady to get selected based on name recognition. I'm glad it didn't happen in this case. There are a number of players who made it that benifitted from that: Lynch, Polamalu, Larry Allen, Richard Seymour, Casey Hampton, Ronde Barber, Chris McAlister (to a lesser degree)...

Bill Parcells
12-20-2006, 10:23 AM
Sorry all those stats mean jack shit when Rivers is living off of LT... Teams gameplan agianst LT not Rivers second tier ass, Teams gameplan agianst Brady because he is their offense... You can throw any QB behind the Oline in SD and he will do fine...

I am sorry but you are straight up being a homer on believing that Rivers deserved a ProBowl spot... This is also another reason why Probowl voting is skewed because fans get to vote, and vote for their players over the better players...
Exactly..for Boltpower to try and make a case that Rivers is better than Brady is hilarious.

Hound333
12-20-2006, 11:05 AM
P Brian Moorman??!!!!

Colquitt got scweeedd


I agree that Colquitt is good but Moorman had just a great year. We don't know it because they don't highlight punts often on Espn. Moorman is however the only one I would even consider over Colquitt this year.

Hound333
12-20-2006, 11:09 AM
Didn't he go to Pitt St?


Ya Moorman went to Pittsburg St. He grew up just outside Wichita but he had a different name then so many people don't know that. He changed it when he turned 18 to his adopted fathers name.

He is fast though. Won two Div 2 national championships in the 400 hurdles.

MichaelH
12-20-2006, 11:15 AM
I'd almost would wanna have Moorman as the Chiefs P.

He's fast as shit and was competing in that NFL's fastest man competition.

Great for fake punts !!!

You don't play to win by faking the punt.



:rolleyes:

boltpower 21
12-20-2006, 11:50 AM
Exactly..for Boltpower to try and make a case that Rivers is better than Brady is hilarious.

Why? Brady has not had a better year. No one here has given me a reason why Brady should have been voted in aside from the Chargers have a better team.

The Patriots don't look dominant this year but they're still a good team who will still win their division again.

Rivers put up better numbers (though on a better team). Well, that's tough luck for Brady. You get no sympathy votes for the Pro-Bowl.

And like I stated earlier, not only did the fans vote him in but the players and coaches as well. So, what did the players and coaches see in Rivers that they didn't in Brady this year?

Hound333
12-20-2006, 11:57 AM
Rivers had a good enough year to go. Most people seem to not notice that he played really well because he wasn't a 2-3 touchdown per game kind of guy. Hard to do when you have LT scoring so often.

Deberg_1990
12-20-2006, 12:00 PM
Why? Brady has not had a better year. No one here has given me a reason why Brady should have been voted in aside from the Chargers have a better team.

The Patriots don't look dominant this year but they're still a good team who will still win their division again.

Rivers put up better numbers (though on a better team). Well, that's tough luck for Brady. You get no sympathy votes for the Pro-Bowl.

And like I stated earlier, not only did the fans vote him in but the players and coaches as well. So, what did the players and coaches see in Rivers that they didn't in Brady this year?

Your absolutely right, but has been mentioned many times the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest more than anything else.

Rivers will get there soon enough.

Bill Parcells
12-20-2006, 12:01 PM
Why? Brady has not had a better year. No one here has given me a reason why Brady should have been voted in aside from the Chargers have a better team.

The Patriots don't look dominant this year but they're still a good team who will still win their division again.

Rivers put up better numbers (though on a better team). Well, that's tough luck for Brady. You get no sympathy votes for the Pro-Bowl.

And like I stated earlier, not only did the fans vote him in but the players and coaches as well. So, what did the players and coaches see in Rivers that they didn't in Brady this year?
L.T. has carried your team, dude(I think you know that).how many screens and dump offs that L.T. has taken to the house have ballooned those numbers??Brady has not had anybody to throw to all year,and has put up good numbers.

boltpower 21
12-20-2006, 01:19 PM
By this logic, you guys are saying players such as Edge should have been voted in for NFC RB. For him to put up 988 yards with that joke of an o-line and all the crap that is going on with that team and coaching staff should be a lock for the Pro-Bowl, no?

The Patriots are so void of offensive talent that they're still ninth in the league in scoring offense and fifth in the AFC. They have been doing this for years without a elite offensive players. Branch was a good receiver for them but he's not in the class of Marvin Harrison, Steve Smith, Torry Holt or any of the elite receivers. They fill their rosters with number two receivers.

Also, the Dillon-Maroney combo is a good one this year. They have two good receiving tight ends. If Chad Jackson lives up to his potential, their offense should be hitting all cylinders again.