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penchief
12-21-2006, 03:28 PM
According to Sports Illustrated.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/michael_silver/12/21/week15/index.html

BigRedChief
12-21-2006, 03:29 PM
He's on the hot seat with fans but not with Clark Hunt.

siberian khatru
12-21-2006, 03:30 PM
He didn't draft Neil Smith.

htismaqe
12-21-2006, 03:34 PM
He's on the hot seat with fans but not with Clark Hunt.

Exactly. The hardcore fans and media are the only ones that can't stand him. He's not going anywhere.

Bill Parcells
12-21-2006, 03:34 PM
and the Chiefs' forgiving fan base has, until very recently, remained vibrant and engaged.

From what I've been reading here since August..this is far from the truth..Peterson has been hated long before this season from what I can tell from posters on this site.

htismaqe
12-21-2006, 03:36 PM
From what I've been reading here since August..this is far from the truth..Peterson has been hated long before this season from what I can tell from posters on this site.

The Planet is a SMALL fraction of the overall fan base. We don't represent the majority of the fans IMO.

Deberg_1990
12-21-2006, 03:36 PM
Exactly. The hardcore fans and media are the only ones that can't stand him. He's not going anywhere.


Well, there is only one clear way for the fans to send a message to Clark.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Reerun_KC
12-21-2006, 03:37 PM
From what I've been reading here since August..this is far from the truth..Peterson has been hated long before this season from what I can tell from posters on this site.


I would say after the seasons following the 1995 and 1997 playoff debacles. Tollerance for Carl has really been declining....

Donger
12-21-2006, 03:37 PM
"Then again, it's also possible Hunt shares his late father's loyalty to the man who, according to his bio in the media guide, "unquestionably serves as the driving force of the organization and is regarded as the person most responsible for the club's return to prominence both on and off the field since he was hired by Founder Lamar Hunt in December '88."

Prominence? At what, exactly?

Reerun_KC
12-21-2006, 03:42 PM
"Then again, it's also possible Hunt shares his late father's loyalty to the man who, according to his bio in the media guide, "unquestionably serves as the driving force of the organization and is regarded as the person most responsible for the club's return to medirocity both on and off the field since he was hired by Founder Lamar Hunt in December '88."

Medirocity? At what, exactly?

FYP

HemiEd
12-21-2006, 03:45 PM
He didn't draft Neil Smith.

He also said LJ's contract is up this year.

Spott
12-21-2006, 03:59 PM
I think most people are fed up with his arrogant ass.

SLAG
12-21-2006, 04:01 PM
I would say after the seasons following the 1995 and 1997 AND 2003playoff debacles. Tollerance for Carl has really been declining....

FYP

Skip Towne
12-21-2006, 04:08 PM
Carl is more likely to make the ring of fame than get fired. Hell, Steadman's there. Go Chargers.

Ultra Peanut
12-21-2006, 04:09 PM
First off, there are several alleged locations of "midget town" all of which are located in the Bixby Knolls area of Long Beach. There are many private residential areas in this neighborhood which one can easily attribute to a midget colony. The most convincing one (at least for me) lies adjacent to the the Virginia Country Club at the end of a long, dead end looking, street either called "Virginia" or "Country Club", (I can't remember). As you drive down this street you will see all kinds of "dead end" and "no tresspassing" signs designed to deter the casual observer. If you continue down this
street, you will reach a checkpoint with a wooden gate and a small button on the left hand side. Despite the threating signs, all you have to is push the button and the gate will automatically open. If you drive inside, you will notice that the first house on your left is equipped with a giant front door and doorknobs that look no taller than three feet high. The rest of the houses (as far as I can tell) appear normal. If you continue driving forward you will reach another gate which cannot be opened by non-residents, followed by a third gate which can only be seen in the distance (I have never reached the third gate). Make sure you're in and out of there pretty
quick because the residents are quick to call security. Also, on your way out, turn right on the first street you see and go about five or six blocks and you will see the house from the movie "Ferris Bueller's Day Off." Seeing the house from "Ferris Bueller's day off" almost makes up for the fact that you got nothing out of this journey other than seeing one house with very low doorknobs.

KC Jones
12-21-2006, 04:11 PM
From what I've been reading here since August..this is far from the truth..Peterson has been hated long before this season from what I can tell from posters on this site.

I don't think that comment meant the fans were happy with Peterson, just that we have all been pretty ra ra for the Chiefs despite the mediocrity. That's starting to slip - we can only keep up the faith so long in the face of the sheer suckage of this franchise. Barring some sort of miraculous offseason, I predict trouble selling out games next year.

Spott
12-21-2006, 04:11 PM
Are there any porn midgets in midget town?

Spott
12-21-2006, 04:14 PM
I don't think that comment meant the fans were happy with Peterson, just that we have all been pretty ra ra for the Chiefs despite the mediocrity. That's starting to slip - we can only keep up the faith so long in the face of the sheer suckage of this franchise. Barring some sort of miraculous offseason, I predict trouble selling out games next year.


Not to mention that ticket prices have skyrocketed since CP got here, yet the product isn't any better than it was when he got here in 89.

dirk digler
12-21-2006, 04:17 PM
I wish CP was on the hotseat but I highly doubt it. I wouldn't have a problem with him staying around to finish the stadium improvements they just need to take his GM duties away.

Skip Towne
12-21-2006, 04:31 PM
He "shrewdly" stole Herm. I'd rather see him "shrewdly" steal Pioli.

TEX
12-21-2006, 04:43 PM
How did he "shrewdly steal Edwards?" It cost KC a 4th round draft choice. Had he waited, Herm was sure to get $hit canned. :shake:

the Talking Can
12-21-2006, 04:55 PM
dare to dream

Cochise
12-21-2006, 05:17 PM
I agree that the planet is a vast minority in terms of fans. Carl is almost universally despised here, and he's pretty well disliked among communities like the knuckle-draggers who call 810 frequently, but the average fan doesn't get it yet.

The average fan sees us winning 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 games and thinking we are just a player or two away. Most people don't realize that we haven't won a playoff game since OJ was still a respectable (as it were) sports analyst.

I was just having this discussion last week with a friend of mine who just popped for season tickets for the first time this year. I was like man, I will always be as huge on the Chiefs as ever, but it's hard to make a financial commitment to them when they stick by Carl. And all you hear back is "we sucked in the 80s, we owe all our success to carl... etc".

I expect Carl to get us to the playoffs in 2009 to save his job, thereby torturing us for another 22 years or whatever it will have been by then.

FringeNC
12-21-2006, 05:28 PM
I think the odds of Peterson getting the boot are higher than a lot of people think. We don't know what his relationship with Clark Hunt is like, and if it's not tight, and Clark judges him by his on-field performance, he's in big trouble.

C-Mac
12-21-2006, 05:36 PM
Not to mention that ticket prices have skyrocketed since CP got here, yet the product isn't any better than it was when he got here in 89.

Really? You obviously missed the fabulous 80's........

Rain Man
12-21-2006, 05:40 PM
I think the odds of Peterson getting the boot are higher than a lot of people think. We don't know what his relationship with Clark Hunt is like, and if it's not tight, and Clark judges him by his on-field performance, he's in big trouble.

That's my thinking exactly. Perhaps I should put my aluminum foil back on.

BigRedChief
12-21-2006, 05:59 PM
As you guys know I'm the leader of the run King Carl out of town on a rail brethren. But I just don't see this article as anything more than speculation BS.

Why would Clark come in and fire the guy thats made his family a ton of money? The only thing I could possibly see happening is they bring in a new GM and King Carl is still CEO/President/Chief marketeer. And I'd have no problem with that. He's the best there is at that.

FAX
12-21-2006, 06:06 PM
Personally, I like the idea that the press is coming down on Carl.

Even if he doesn't resign or if Clark chooses to retain him, there is additional performance pressure that didn't exist before. In my view, that's a good thing.

FAX

Tribal Warfare
12-21-2006, 06:09 PM
Dude, this is a major nuthooks thread. :banghead:

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 06:10 PM
OK.....

For sake of conversation....let's say you are Clark and are considering replacing Carl.

Who do you REALISTICALLY expect him to bring in?

Tribal Warfare
12-21-2006, 06:12 PM
OK.....

For sake of conversation....let's say you are Clark and are considering replacing Carl.

Who do you REALISTICALLY expect him to bring in?


Hell, anyone who is interested in winning instead of a penny pinching businessman

shaneo69
12-21-2006, 06:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson step down at the end of this season (but only as President and GM, staying as CEO) and letting Thum and Kuharich take over the President and GM roles.

This would not do anything to make me more optimistic about the future of this franchise.

tk13
12-21-2006, 06:15 PM
Bill Kuharich would be elevated to GM, then trade all of our draft picks for Adrian Peterson.

Cochise
12-21-2006, 06:15 PM
I just don't see Clark Hunt, having just buried his father, canning the guy who he expressed 18 years worth of confidence in. I don't see it.

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 06:16 PM
Hell, anyone who is interested in winning instead of a penny pinching businessman


I'm serious.

It's so easy for people to say "shitcan CP" but no one has a solution on who to replace him with. I'm not a CP apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't come up with a realistic replacement, either.

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 06:17 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson step down at the end of this season (but only as President and GM, staying as CEO) and letting Thum and Kuharich take over the President and GM roles.

This would not do anything to make me more optimistic about the future of this franchise.


Exactly.

As I said in one of the other threads, either of those two would basically be like having Carl Peterson Jr. at the helm.

BigRedChief
12-21-2006, 06:32 PM
I'm serious.

It's so easy for people to say "shitcan CP" but no one has a solution on who to replace him with. I'm not a CP apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't come up with a realistic replacement, either.Come on now. We all know who the dream GM is. Maybe he wants to get out from underneath his father in laws shadow and leave his own mark.
Scott Pioli...NE Pats VP Player personal
http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=mgersexecsbio&bio=12539

Scott Pioli is in his seventh season with the Patriots and has worked in concert with Head Coach Bill Belichick to build a consistent championship contender in New England. Their shared football philosophy has produced three Super Bowl championships, three conference titles and four division crowns since 2001.

Once Pioli and Belichick arrived in New England in 2000, it took the pair just two seasons to rebuild the foundation of the team. Since orchestrating the franchise's first Super Bowl victory following the 2001 season, Pioli and Belichick have executed a plan to produce continued success, becoming the only personnel director/head coach tandem in NFL history to win three Super Bowls in a four-year span (2001-04). The Patriots are the only NFL team to win at least one playoff game in each of the last three seasons (2003-05) and are the only team in the league to win nine or more games in each of the last five seasons (2001-05).

In recognition of his achievements, Pioli was awarded The Sporting News' George Young NFL Executive of the Year award (voted on by NFL executives) following the 2003 and 2004 seasons. He is one of just three NFL executives, along with Bill Polian and Bobby Beathard, to win the award in consecutive years. Pioli is the youngest executive to win the award.

The primary objective of Pioli's personnel philosophy is to build a team, not to simply collect individual talent. As a result, the Patriots have been able to prosper despite the NFL realities of injuries and the salary cap, which have proven in the past to be impediments to long-term success in pro football. In each of the last three seasons, the depth and versatility of New England's roster helped overcome key injuries to win three straight AFC East titles. In 2005, the Patriots utilized 45 different starters, setting a postmerger NFL record for a division champion.

In 2003, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVIII despite using 42 different starters, the most in league history by a Super Bowl champion. In 2004, the Patriots employed 40 different starters as they won their second consecutive Super Bowl. Of the 53 players on the Patriots' final 2005 roster, 39 were acquired after the team's first championship in 2001. In an era of NFL parity and economic balance, the Patriots' personnel philosophy has helped to consistently build championship teams that have been greater than the sum of their parts.

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 06:35 PM
XL nuthooks......

Please don't encourage them, BRC!

Reerun_KC
12-21-2006, 06:40 PM
What would Clark have to lose by hiring Scott Pioli?

It cant get any worse than it is now? We arent going to win anything meaningful for the next 4 years, so why not just clean house and give the fans some hope?

Hope is good!

BigRedChief
12-21-2006, 06:42 PM
What would Clark have to lose by hiring Scott Pioli?

It cant get any worse than it is now? We arent going to win anything meaningful for the next 4 years, so why not just clean house and give the fans some hope?

Hope is good!
Have to lose? :shake: The dude is GOD among GM's. Convincing him to leave his father in law and the real cushy NE job would be the hard part.

Deberg_1990
12-21-2006, 06:42 PM
Matt Millen? At least he would draft some WR's.

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 06:45 PM
What would Clark have to lose by hiring Scott Pioli?

It cant get any worse than it is now? We arent going to win anything meaningful for the next 4 years, so why not just clean house and give the fans some hope?

Hope is good!

What makes you think Pioli is gonna leave NE to take the same job here?

He's got the best job in the world working for his FIL.....multiple SB rings....I'm sure he'd leave all that for a lateral move to KC....

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 06:47 PM
Have to lose? :shake: The dude is GOD among GM's. Convincing him to leave his father in law and the real cushy NE job would be the hard part.

Sorry BRC...didn't get to your post.

Cochise
12-21-2006, 06:47 PM
Matt Millen? At least he would draft some WR's.

I don't think that Matt Millen is qualified to run a hot dog stand at the north pole.

FringeNC
12-21-2006, 07:36 PM
Personally, I like the idea that the press is coming down on Carl.

Even if he doesn't resign or if Clark chooses to retain him, there is additional performance pressure that didn't exist before. In my view, that's a good thing.

FAX

Yep. Exactly. The constant ridicule by the media is what led Royals' owner David Glass to take power away from his son.

FringeNC
12-21-2006, 07:39 PM
Why would Clark come in and fire the guy thats made his family a ton of money?

That's another way in which Peterson gets a free ride. What NFL team DOESN'T sell out its home games?

SLAG
12-21-2006, 07:49 PM
That's another way in which Peterson gets a free ride. What NFL team DOESN'T sell out its home games?


the lambs :shrug:

Skip Towne
12-21-2006, 07:50 PM
I'm serious.

It's so easy for people to say "shitcan CP" but no one has a solution on who to replace him with. I'm not a CP apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't come up with a realistic replacement, either.
Scott Pioli of the Pats if he can be had.

kc-nd
12-21-2006, 07:51 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if Carl Peterson went to work some day, started looking at Chiefsplanet, realized he was going to get fired, and went home for the day.

And behind the scenes is Gunther Cunningham with a whole lot of on-line names spreading rumors on Chiefsplanet.

Ha, ha, ha,

SLAG
12-21-2006, 07:57 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if Carl Peterson went to work some day, started looking at Chiefsplanet, realized he was going to get fired, and went home for the day.

And behind the scenes is Gunther Cunningham with a whole lot of on-line names spreading rumors on Chiefsplanet.

Ha, ha, ha,


So thats who you are

milkman
12-21-2006, 08:22 PM
Exactly.

As I said in one of the other threads, either of those two would basically be like having Carl Peterson Jr. at the helm.

This is the dumbest ****ing argument ever.

There are a lot of front office personnel people that work in the background for other teams around the league.

The fact that they don't get any notoriety among the NFL fan base doesn't mean that there aren't qualified candidates.

I bet no one had ever heard of Scott Pioli before he started working with Belichick.

I highly doubt anyone had heard of AJ Smith when he took over in San Diego after John Butler died.

Just because you don't know any names, if Clark Hunt decided to replace Carl, he has the connections, and the knowledge of the NFL personnel people that are/would be available.

SLAG
12-21-2006, 08:33 PM
This is the dumbest ****ing argument ever.

There are a lot of front office personnel people that work in the background for other teams around the league.

The fact that they don't get any notoriety among the NFL fan base doesn't mean that there aren't qualified candidates.

I bet no one had ever heard of Scott Pioli before he started working with Belichick.

I highly doubt anyone had heard of AJ Smith when he took over in San Diego after John Butler died.

Just because you don't know any names, if Clark Hunt decided to replace Carl, he has the connections, and the knowledge of the NFL personnel people that are/would be available.


i bet the nfl is just like any other company im sure clark has access to the HR files on everyone..

hes been attending and watching for a long time... im sure he knows he does not what to repeat his fathers mistakes no matter what ever they might be

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 08:34 PM
This is the dumbest ****ing argument ever.

There are a lot of front office personnel people that work in the background for other teams around the league.

The fact that they don't get any notoriety among the NFL fan base doesn't mean that there aren't qualified candidates.

I bet no one had ever heard of Scott Pioli before he started working with Belichick.

I highly doubt anyone had heard of AJ Smith when he took over in San Diego after John Butler died.

Just because you don't know any names, if Clark Hunt decided to replace Carl, he has the connections, and the knowledge of the NFL personnel people that are/would be available.

Actually, I know exactly who Denny Thum and Bill Kuharich are. And I'm not saying they aren't qualified. They are. However, I'm of the opinion that IF either of them were to be named CP's replacement, things wouldn't change much around here. Thum's been CP's "assistant" since '89 or '90, IIRC. So, what he's learned, he's learned from Carl. Is that a good thing? I guess it depends on your view, and what changes you want to see made.

It has nothing to do with notoriety. I just think it would take someone from outside the organization to move things in the right direction.

IF I'm Clark Hunt, and IF I want to truly make this my own, I shake up the entire FO.

Personally, I don't see Carl going anywhere until his contract is up....

cdcox
12-21-2006, 08:40 PM
Here is the way I see it. Clark Hunt was 5 yrs old when his Dad won the SB. He has watched his dad be revered all his life. He has just joined the most exclusive club in the world. He is a young man among NFL owners and has 30-40 years ahead of him. He is an ambitious man, haveing outstanding academic and atheletic performance and SMU. He won't want to sit around for 30 years being a whipping boy for the Jerry Jones' of the league.

Clark Hunt will want to make his bones.

There is only one way to do that.

Does that mean that Carl is out in 2007? Probably not.

But I would be surprised if Clark Hunt will be satisfied with running a financially successful franchise. That won't allow him to be a leader in his new club, like his father was. He'll want the brass ring and the respect it brings among his peers.

milkman
12-21-2006, 08:54 PM
Actually, I know exactly who Denny Thum and Bill Kuharich are. And I'm not saying they aren't qualified. They are. However, I'm of the opinion that IF either of them were to be named CP's replacement, things wouldn't change much around here. Thum's been CP's "assistant" since '89 or '90, IIRC. So, what he's learned, he's learned from Carl. Is that a good thing? I guess it depends on your view, and what changes you want to see made.

It has nothing to do with notoriety. I just think it would take someone from outside the organization to move things in the right direction.

IF I'm Clark Hunt, and IF I want to truly make this my own, I shake up the entire FO.

Personally, I don't see Carl going anywhere until his contract is up....

I am not talking about Kuharich or Thum.

I am talking about personnel people with other teams around the league.

Do you know who Scott Pioli's right hand man is?
How about AJ Smith's or Floyd Reese's?
Who is in the pesonnel department for Seattle, or Philly?

There are plenty of personnel people throughout the league that none of us have ever heard of.

I know that Jeffrey Smith worked for Reese at one time.
I don't know if he still does, but he'd be a guy I wouldn't mind Hunt taking a look at for the GM position.

BWillie
12-21-2006, 08:56 PM
If Carl Peterson gets canned he'll be the most saught after GM in football by other NFL teams. Firing him would be dumber than trading Larry Johnson for a sixth round draft pick. It's easy to make Carl into your scapegoat because of the Chiefs lack of playoff success, which is obviously what the entire planet has done. Yep, fire a guy who gets you in position to make the playoffs every year. Great idea. Must the GM's fault when the Chiefs go 10-6 and don't make the playoffs or go 13-3 and don't make the Super Bowl. It has got to be the GM's fault that almost every single great Chiefs season has had a bad year before it. Yeah, he should of rebuilded those years instead of going 13-3 11-5. Has to be the GM's fault right?

the Talking Can
12-21-2006, 09:01 PM
If Carl Peterson gets canned he'll be the most saught after GM in football by other NFL teams. Firing him would be dumber than trading Larry Johnson for a sixth round draft pick. It's easy to make Carl into your scapegoat because of the Chiefs lack of playoff success, which is obviously what the entire planet has done. Yep, fire a guy who gets you in position to make the playoffs every year. Great idea. Must the GM's fault when the Chiefs go 10-6 and don't make the playoffs or go 13-3 and don't make the Super Bowl. It has got to be the GM's fault that almost every single great has been a bad year before it. Yeah, he should of rebuilded those years instead of going 13-3 11-5. Has to be the GM's fault right?

you're what CP calls a "real fan".....we just say "idiot"

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 09:02 PM
I am not talking about Kuharich or Thum.

I was......

I wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson step down at the end of this season (but only as President and GM, staying as CEO) and letting Thum and Kuharich take over the President and GM roles.

This would not do anything to make me more optimistic about the future of this franchise.

Exactly.

As I said in one of the other threads, either of those two would basically be like having Carl Peterson Jr. at the helm.

This is the dumbest ****ing argument ever.

There are a lot of front office personnel people that work in the background for other teams around the league.

The fact that they don't get any notoriety among the NFL fan base doesn't mean that there aren't qualified candidates.

I bet no one had ever heard of Scott Pioli before he started working with Belichick.

I highly doubt anyone had heard of AJ Smith when he took over in San Diego after John Butler died.

Just because you don't know any names, if Clark Hunt decided to replace Carl, he has the connections, and the knowledge of the NFL personnel people that are/would be available.


Where exactly did I say anything about other teams FO people?

milkman
12-21-2006, 09:07 PM
I was......







Where exactly did I say anything about other teams FO people?

My apologies for the confusion.
I originally quoted the wrong post.

This is the one I I intended to quote, and was responding to:

I'm serious.

It's so easy for people to say "shitcan CP" but no one has a solution on who to replace him with. I'm not a CP apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't come up with a realistic replacement, either.

Bowser
12-21-2006, 09:16 PM
My wife's cousin claims he taught Clark how to drive a stick shift transmission in the parking lot of Worlds of Fun. If Clark doesn't fire Carl, wifey's cousin should go kick his ass.

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 09:24 PM
My apologies for the confusion.
I originally quoted the wrong post.

This is the one I I intended to quote, and was responding to:

Not a big deal.....

Anyway, that post was part bait and part truth.

I knew that if I said that, someone would come out right away and make some ridiculous, unrealistic call for Scott Pioli or Phil Savage.

The truth of it all is that some people here have a tendency to bitch and moan about the coach, the GM, the gameplan, etc.....but never offer a solution. It is really easy for someone to want Herm or Carl gone, but who does that person REALISTICALLY expect that person to be replaced by?

And my point was proven with the Pioli posts......

Like I said, I can't come up with a realistic repalacement either. (other than Thum/Kuharich) That doesn't mean there aren't qualified candidates from other teams out there, I just don't know who they are, so I try to keep from saying "Fire CP" every three posts.

And also, like I said before, Thum and Kuharich ARE more than qualified, IMO. I just think that things wouldn't change much with them in charge.

dirk digler
12-21-2006, 09:31 PM
Thum won't be the replacement he is the accountant\salary cap genious of the Chiefs. He has no player personnel experience at all. Just read his bio.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/front_office/denny_thum/

I would envision Kuharich or what's his name that went to the Jets from the Chiefs become the GM.

milkman
12-21-2006, 09:42 PM
Thum won't be the replacement he is the accountant\salary cap genious of the Chiefs. He has no player personnel experience at all. Just read his bio.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/front_office/denny_thum/

I would envision Kuharich or what's his name that went to the Jets from the Chiefs become the GM.

Just say no to Bradway.
Hell, I'd rather keep Carl than hire that guy.

tk13
12-21-2006, 09:46 PM
Actually, that was on the little "rumor mill" I posted with the LJ contract rumor.... supposedly Bradway is looking to get back into somebody's front office, thinks he's ready to be a GM again.

That would sound about right... Carl would willingly move into the President's Chair... and hire Bradway to take his place. The circle would be complete.

dirk digler
12-21-2006, 09:48 PM
Thanks guys I couldn't remember his name. Tk is right that definitely complete the circle and that is not a good thing. We need a clean start.

BigRedChief
12-21-2006, 10:00 PM
Not a big deal.....

Anyway, that post was part bait and part truth.

I knew that if I said that, someone would come out right away and make some ridiculous, unrealistic call for Scott Pioli or Phil Savage.

The truth of it all is that some people here have a tendency to bitch and moan about the coach, the GM, the gameplan, etc.....but never offer a solution. It is really easy for someone to want Herm or Carl gone, but who does that person REALISTICALLY expect that person to be replaced by?

And my point was proven with the Pioli posts......

Like I said, I can't come up with a realistic repalacement either. (other than Thum/Kuharich) That doesn't mean there aren't qualified candidates from other teams out there, I just don't know who they are, so I try to keep from saying "Fire CP" every three posts.

And also, like I said before, Thum and Kuharich ARE more than qualified, IMO. I just think that things wouldn't change much with them in charge.
F#K keeping Kuharich/Thum on. They are just the same thing as King Carl. What do we gain?

Why not shoot for Pioli? You need to shoot for the best. You can't get the best? Go for the 2nd best. and if your 2nd best isn't better than what you have don't make a move.

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 10:06 PM
F#K keeping Kuharich/Thum on. They are just the same thing as King Carl. What do we gain?

Why not shoot for Pioli? You need to shoot for the best. You can't get the best? Go for the 2nd best. and if your 2nd best isn't better than what you have don't make a move.

You said it yourself, BRC:

Convincing him to leave his father in law and the real cushy NE job would be the hard part

Why would he leave that gig, as a 3 time SB winner, to come here and do the same job? Dude has nothing to prove. It'd be a lateral move.

I just don't think luring a successful GM from another team is gonna happen. They'll promote from within, or hire someone that a lot of fans aren't familiar with. Pioli and Phil Savage are not coming to KC.

PastorMikH
12-21-2006, 10:07 PM
I have my doubts that Carl is going anywhere just yet. I think if anything, he might get more input from Clark on operations than he did from Lamar. But I doubt he goes anywhere just yet.

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 10:09 PM
I have my doubts that Carl is going anywhere just yet. I think if anything, he might get more input from Clark on operations than he did from Lamar. But I doubt he goes anywhere just yet.

I would agree, Pastor.

BigRedChief
12-21-2006, 10:11 PM
You said it yourself, BRC:

Convincing him to leave his father in law and the real cushy NE job would be the hard part

Why would he leave that gig, as a 3 time SB winner, to come here and do the same job? Dude has nothing to prove. It'd be a lateral move.

I just don't think luring a successful GM from another team is gonna happen. They'll promote from within, or hire someone that a lot of fans aren't familiar with. Pioli and Phil Savage are not coming to KC.
We discussed this at great length at one time. Big long thread.
Why would he leave?
He would leave to get out from the Belicheck's shadow. To prove he can build a winner without having Belicheck as the coach. He gets a promotion. He's not the GM at NE. A boatload of more money. The Hunt's have a lot more money than Kraft and they pay it out to people who make them money.

OnTheWarpath58
12-21-2006, 10:14 PM
We discussed this at great length at one time. Big long thread.
Why would he leave?
He would leave to get out from the Belicheck's shadow. To prove he can build a winner without having Belicheck as the coach. He gets a promotion. He's not the GM at NE. A boatload of more money. The Hunt's have a lot more money than Kraft and they pay it out to people who make them money.

I just don't see it happening. If it ever did, feel free to bump this thread and say "I told you so"

BigRedChief
12-21-2006, 10:18 PM
I just don't see it happening. If it ever did, feel free to bump this thread and say "I told you so"
Found this one:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=117321&highlight=scott+pioli

FTR, I don't think King Carl is going anywhere. I don't think if he does that we would get Pioli. It's just nice to dream.