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BigRedChief
12-21-2006, 06:37 PM
The facts:
Picked Marty- Excellent choice.:clap: But lets see what he has done since we won a playoff game 12 years ago.

Picked Gunter -
Could have had - Bill Bellicheck, Andy Reid and Mike Holgreen

Picked Vermiel - Could have had Herm or Marty

Picked Herm-
Could have had- Payton?

You decide. Good, fair, poor

Deberg_1990
12-21-2006, 06:45 PM
Gunther was the only bad choice in my eyes. Talk about making a desicion that was basically "business as usual"

Jury is still out on Herm. Im willing to give him at least 2 seasons.

Reerun_KC
12-21-2006, 07:32 PM
Problem is, since Marty left, 2 of the hires have been Carls little yes men, and I am guessing DV was more like a father figure for Carl.

But Gunther and Herm are totally yes men, they were safe hires, preventing any controversy or questioning of Carls free agents, drafts and signings....

milkman
12-21-2006, 08:36 PM
Gunther was the only bad choice in my eyes. Talk about making a desicion that was basically "business as usual"

Jury is still out on Herm. Im willing to give him at least 2 seasons.

I am not going to make any decision about Hermie at this point either.

However, I didn't like any of the hires at the time they were hired, including Hermie, and nothing any of the first three did made me feel that I was wrong about my initial reaction to those hires.

I'm hoping that Hermie does.

FAX
12-21-2006, 08:58 PM
I'm glad to see you gentlemen giving Herm the benefit of the doubt. It once again proves how thoughtful, fair, and honorable ChiefsPlanet members can be when the chips fall out of the bag.

I, however, have seen enough of Herm to realize that he is a liar and a blowhard. He handles himself like an insecure, unassured bonehead clinging to what he thinks will work the last time he checked. Personally, I think he should check a little more often on whatever the hell it is that he checks on because it appears that the last time he checked on anything was about 15 years ago.

I hope he changes my mind because I'd love to see the Chiefs make the playoffs in my lifetime, but so far I haven't seen anything on the field that demonstrates he was worth the pick we gave up for him.

FAX

BWillie
12-21-2006, 09:00 PM
Did anybody actually expect us to be better than 9-7 with an aging offense, the loss of Willie Roaf, the loss of Al Saunders, and with Gunther of our D-Coordinator?

DaWolf
12-21-2006, 10:34 PM
The facts:
Picked Marty- Excellent choice.:clap: But lets see what he has done since we won a playoff game 12 years ago.

Picked Gunter -
Could have had - Bill Bellicheck, Andy Reid and Mike Holgreen

Picked Vermiel - Could have had Herm or Marty

Picked Herm-
Could have had- Payton?

You decide. Good, fair, poor

RE the Gunther hire, While I'm not sure about Reid, I know Bellichik was No 1 on Carl's shortlist, but he declined to be interviewed for the position because he wanted to stay on the east coast (and at the time he was in line to be the Jets next head coach) and Holmgren was looking for a job giving him total control, which would not have been possible with Carl. The choice I wanted at the time was Billick, but he had gotten too far along in the interview process by the time MArty announced his resignation and so he was pretty much locked in on the Ravens.

The rest of the choices I think were fair enough when they were made. Vermeil, he had just built a Super Bowl team with the No 1 offense and No 6 defense so how could you argue with that. Herm, jury is still out but I don't think he was a bad choice. Remember, he was hired to rebuild this team, as all we heard about all offseason is how old we were and how we needed to get younger...

cdcox
12-21-2006, 11:21 PM
I'm not going to do the 20/20 thing. I'll rate them as I honestly saw them going in:

a) Marty - good

b) Gunter - wait and see ( = bad)

c) Vermeil - good

d) Herm - wait and see (= bad)

What the heck, here's my hindsight... WHERE'S MY LOMARDI???? WHERE'S MY LOMARDI???

KurtCobain
12-21-2006, 11:28 PM
He should've got payton.

BWillie
12-21-2006, 11:39 PM
He should've got payton.

Your signature scares me. But none the less I am a man of my word. I'd rather have that one than the one that I'd drink a bowl of antifreeze is Carl gets canned this year. :banghead:


Is a Chiefs playoff berth worth my left nut? I think so. I can still reproduce and screw chicks as a one nutted man.

BigRedChief
12-22-2006, 06:43 AM
RE the Gunther hire, While I'm not sure about Reid, I know Bellichik was No 1 on Carl's shortlist, but he declined to be interviewed for the position because he wanted to stay on the east coast (and at the time he was in line to be the Jets next head coach) and Holmgren was looking for a job giving him total control, which would not have been possible with Carl. The choice I wanted at the time was Billick, but he had gotten too far along in the interview process by the time MArty announced his resignation and so he was pretty much locked in on the Ravens. It's a misconception that we missed out on that trio because Marty waited too late to tell King Carl he was leaving.

According to Soren Petro Marty held his press conference on January 11th of that year.

Ari Chi3fs
12-22-2006, 06:57 AM
RE the Gunther hire, While I'm not sure about Reid, I know Bellichik was No 1 on Carl's shortlist, but he declined to be interviewed for the position because he wanted to stay on the east coast (and at the time he was in line to be the Jets next head coach) and Holmgren was looking for a job giving him total control, which would not have been possible with Carl. The choice I wanted at the time was Billick, but he had gotten too far along in the interview process by the time MArty announced his resignation and so he was pretty much locked in on the Ravens.

The rest of the choices I think were fair enough when they were made. Vermeil, he had just built a Super Bowl team with the No 1 offense and No 6 defense so how could you argue with that. Herm, jury is still out but I don't think he was a bad choice. Remember, he was hired to rebuild this team, as all we heard about all offseason is how old we were and how we needed to get younger...


yeah, Belichek wasnt coming to KC... he had his mistress close on the East Coast that he was banging.

HonestChieffan
12-22-2006, 07:57 AM
I'm glad to see you gentlemen giving Herm the benefit of the doubt. It once again proves how thoughtful, fair, and honorable ChiefsPlanet members can be when the chips fall out of the bag.

I, however, have seen enough of Herm to realize that he is a liar and a blowhard. He handles himself like an insecure, unassured bonehead clinging to what he thinks will work the last time he checked. Personally, I think he should check a little more often on whatever the hell it is that he checks on because it appears that the last time he checked on anything was about 15 years ago.

I hope he changes my mind because I'd love to see the Chiefs make the playoffs in my lifetime, but so far I haven't seen anything on the field that demonstrates he was worth the pick we gave up for him.

FAX

I'm gonna hate Herm till January 2, 2007 and morph into a HermBacker. HermBackers seem to have more fun cause reality isn't an issue for them.

Till then I'm with you. After that you will move into the openly negative category. I'll check what I checked to see if its been checked after I check.

boogblaster
12-22-2006, 08:04 AM
Hermopia= the belief that he will get us to the big-show....

HemiEd
12-22-2006, 08:07 AM
50/50 loved the Marty and Dick choices, hated the Gunther pick and I am leaning that way on Herm.

ck_IN
12-22-2006, 08:22 AM
Marty was a good choice. We needed an experienced coach that could build a team after our misery of the 80's.

Gun was a bad choice but we were trying to promote from within so I won't critisize it too badly.

Vermeil was a terrible choice. He was only interested in building an offense so he could stroke his ego and prove it was he and not Martz in St. Lou. For Carl it was a last desperate gasp to burnish his rep. The team suffered while both men attempted to stroke their egos. We the fans suffered.

Herm I'll give some fair time to. He has to de-DV this team which will take time and pain. I'd have rather seen a young assistant NFL coach hired so we could grow our own coach instead of having the ex-HC of whomever. I also doubt Herm was worth a draft pick. However he deserves a fair chance.

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 08:36 AM
In my opinion, Herm looked like a good choice on paper. He was "known" for building up defenses. Not offenses. Our defense was headed in the right direction before Herm came to KC. Our offense was in decline. Defense is still on the rise and will get better, but our offense has lost it's luster.

Anyway, I think the coach we need is Pete Carrol. We may not be able to sign him, but he is the right fit for the Chiefs. He brings out the best in his players and is a true coach who doesn't focus on just one aspect of the football. If we could sign him, he could use his college knowledge and draft well.

ck_IN
12-22-2006, 08:40 AM
No thanks. Pete Carrol pretty much destroyed the Pats before Bill B. took over. He's a great college coach but a proven loser at the NFL level. Much like Steve Spurier.

HonestChieffan
12-22-2006, 09:12 AM
Can't believe the MU folks have not offered up Pinkel.

Alden could replace Carl...

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 09:20 AM
One would think that he is a proven loser in the NFL. He may have been earlier in his career, but his triumps at USC have made him a better coach. Besides, what makes Herm better than Carrol? Herm completely destroyed the Jets before coming here. Why not pick the best college coach over one of the worst in NFL?

htismaqe
12-22-2006, 09:25 AM
One would think that he is a proven loser in the NFL. He may have been earlier in his career, but his triumps at USC have made him a better coach. Besides, what makes Herm better than Carrol? Herm completely destroyed the Jets before coming here. Why not pick the best college coach over one of the worst in NFL?

Because Pete Carroll's methods don't translate to the NFL the way they do to college ball. Think Steve Spurrier.

If we're going to hire a college coach, we should do what the Dolphins did. Personally, I'd love to see Kirk Ferentz coaching the Chiefs.

Reerun_KC
12-22-2006, 09:27 AM
Because Pete Carroll's methods don't translate to the NFL the way they do to college ball. Think Steve Spurrier.

If we're going to hire a college coach, we should do what the Dolphins did. Personally, I'd love to see Kirk Ferentz coaching the Chiefs.


Are we being a little bit of a :homer: here?

htismaqe
12-22-2006, 09:29 AM
Are we being a little bit of a :homer: here?

One would think so, but the list of teams that have interviewed him for their HC job over the last 5 years says otherwise...

Nzoner
12-22-2006, 09:36 AM
I'm glad to see you gentlemen giving Herm the benefit of the doubt. It once again proves how thoughtful, fair, and honorable ChiefsPlanet members can be when the chips fall out of the bag.

I, however, have seen enough of Herm to realize that he is a liar and a blowhard. He handles himself like an insecure, unassured bonehead clinging to what he thinks will work the last time he checked. Personally, I think he should check a little more often on whatever the hell it is that he checks on because it appears that the last time he checked on anything was about 15 years ago.

I hope he changes my mind because I'd love to see the Chiefs make the playoffs in my lifetime, but so far I haven't seen anything on the field that demonstrates he was worth the pick we gave up for him.

FAX

I agree Mr. Fax,in fact I had seen enough of Herm with the Jets so you know my feelings when he was announced as the Chiefs new coach.

HemiEd
12-22-2006, 09:39 AM
Because Pete Carroll's methods don't translate to the NFL the way they do to college ball. Think Steve Spurrier.

If we're going to hire a college coach, we should do what the Dolphins did. Personally, I'd love to see Kirk Ferentz coaching the Chiefs.


Is there any Iowa Hawkeye bias there?

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 09:39 AM
Because Pete Carroll's methods don't translate to the NFL the way they do to college ball. Think Steve Spurrier.

If we're going to hire a college coach, we should do what the Dolphins did. Personally, I'd love to see Kirk Ferentz coaching the Chiefs.
Ok, lets hire the coach of a middle-class Big Ten team. Good call there. Besides, being the cyclone fan that I am, I find this claim absurd. Nick Saban is doing ok. So, why not try Pete Carrol.

htismaqe
12-22-2006, 09:40 AM
Is there any Iowa Hawkeye bias there?

Did you read the subsequent posts?

HemiEd
12-22-2006, 09:40 AM
Are we being a little bit of a :homer: here?


One would think so, but the list of teams that have interviewed him for their HC job over the last 5 years says otherwise...


oops :banghead:

htismaqe
12-22-2006, 09:41 AM
Ok, lets hire the coach of a middle-class Big Ten team. Good call there. Besides, being the cyclone fan that I am, I find this claim absurd. Nick Saban is doing ok. So, why not try Pete Carrol.

At least you admit that you're a Cyclone fan. It's obviously clouding your judgement.

Kirk Ferentz is one of the hottest NFL coaching prospects out there. And that's a FACT.

HemiEd
12-22-2006, 09:41 AM
Did you read the subsequent posts?


I had not reached them, my bad.

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 09:57 AM
At least you admit that you're a Cyclone fan. It's obviously clouding your judgement.

Kirk Ferentz is one of the hottest NFL coaching prospects out there. And that's a FACT.

Ok, bad year for the clones. Ok, let's say we hire Kirk. What has he done? He has been to one BCS bowl and was outcoached by........................ Pete Carrol.

htismaqe
12-22-2006, 10:00 AM
Yeah, bad year for the clones. He may be on every GM's wish list, but what has he done at Iowa? He has been to one BCS Bowl, and was outcoach by................ Pete Carrol

That's the typical answer.

Pete Carroll coaches at USC. With the school's prestige alone, he gets the top recruits in the nation year after year after year.

What has Ferentz done? Let's see:

He's taken a mid-tier Big 10 school with 2 and 3* recruits and competed HEAD TO HEAD with Michigan and Ohio State.

He finished in the Top 10 in the nation THREE YEARS IN ROW, one of only 3 coaches to do that - and he did it all with players nobody else wanted.

He took an unrecruited, skinny QB from South Dakota and turned him into a 1st-round NFL LB. Matt Roth, Dallas Clark, Robert Gallery, Eric Steinbach, Aaron Kampmann, Jared Clauss, Erik Jensen, Sean Considine, and Chad Greenway were all players that CHANGED POSITIONS at Iowa, at Ferentz' request, and are now getting playing time in the NFL.

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 10:04 AM
That's the typical answer.

Pete Carroll coaches at USC. With the school's prestige alone, he gets the top recruits in the nation year after year after year.

What has Ferentz done? Let's see:

He's taken a mid-tier Big 10 school with 2 and 3* recruits and competed HEAD TO HEAD with Michigan and Ohio State.

He finished in the Top 10 in the nation THREE YEARS IN ROW, one of only 3 coaches to do that - and he did it all with players nobody else wanted.

He took an unrecruited, skinny QB from South Dakota and turned him into a 1st-round NFL LB. Matt Roth, Dallas Clark, Robert Gallery, Eric Steinbach, Aaron Kampmann, Jared Clauss, Erik Jensen, Sean Considine, and Chad Greenway were all players that CHANGED POSITIONS at Iowa, at Ferentz' request, and are now getting playing time in the NFL.

Well, if you want to go there, why not hire Chris Peterson? He has done a wonderful job at BSU. He has turned that group around since the days of dirk cutter. He has amped up that team with no blue-chip recruits and turned them into a BCS team. If he can turn that bunch into National Contenders, he could turn the Chiefs into a dynasty in 5 years easy.

Saleenman607
12-22-2006, 10:10 AM
I'd rather talk about Rainmans wife........

htismaqe
12-22-2006, 10:10 AM
Well, if you want to go there, why not hire Chris Peterson? He has done a wonderful job at BSU. He has turned that group around since the days of dirk cutter. He has amped up that team with no blue-chip recruits and turned them into a BCS team. If he can turn that bunch into National Contenders, he could turn the Chiefs into a dynasty in 5 years easy.

Does Chris Peterson have any NFL experience? If so, he might be a good choice. But I would point out that coaching in the MWC is a little different than coaching the Big 10 or Big 12.

Ferentz was an NFL offensive line coach. Johnathon Ogden credits him with making him into the player he is today.

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 10:17 AM
Does Chris Peterson have any NFL experience? If so, he might be a good choice. But I would point out that coaching in the MWC is a little different than coaching the Big 10 or Big 12.

Ferentz was an NFL offensive line coach. Johnathon Ogden credits him with making him into the player he is today.

I don't think so. It seems that any coach available at the college level has had a bad experience at the Pro level, or has none at all. I also want to talk about rainman's wife.

Saleenman607
12-22-2006, 10:28 AM
Or....we could have Rainmans wife talk to us.
Either way........

htismaqe
12-22-2006, 10:29 AM
ROFL

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 10:37 AM
Do you think there is gong to be a dominos.com bowl next year?

Saleenman607
12-22-2006, 11:02 AM
Since Rainmans wife has not contacted me, I would like to add to this conversation by saying Mr. Peterson made the best decision he could at those particular times and I believe they were right with the exception of Mr. Cunningham. I think loyalty to Mr. Cunningham weighed heavily.
Being a long time KC fan in hostile territory, I have learned to keep my emotions in check and to not hope for too much.
Now if I had a financial stake in this team......thats another story

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 11:06 AM
Since Rainmans wife has not contacted me, I would like to add to this conversation by saying Mr. Peterson made the best decision he could at those particular times and I believe they were right with the exception of Mr. Cunningham. I think loyalty to Mr. Cunningham weighed heavily.
Being a long time KC fan in hostile territory, I have learned to keep my emotions in check and to not hope for too much.
Now if I had a financial stake in this team......thats another story
I move that we sign Gonzo, and go after a reciever in the draft. Work with sammie parker, and rehab priest. Go after a fullback who was as good as T-rich. Also, get a younger line. Less blitzs, more zone. Fire Herm the team killer, and the Chiefs are going to win the superbowl.

Chief Chief
12-22-2006, 11:11 AM
The main area of concern I have with CP is that he readily sacrifices draft choices (read: the future talent on the field) to get coaches he knows will do and follow what he says.

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 11:17 AM
The main area of concern I have with CP is that he readily sacrifices draft choices (read: the future talent on the field) to get coaches he knows will do and follow what he says.

I completely agree with that. Not a bad stategy in the Buisness world, but a poor one on the football field.

Saleenman607
12-22-2006, 11:18 AM
I move that we sign Gonzo, and go after a reciever in the draft. Work with sammie parker, and rehab priest. Go after a fullback who was as good as T-rich. Also, get a younger line. Less blitzs, more zone. Fire Herm the team killer, and the Chiefs are going to win the superbowl.

I do not care for this line of reasoning.
To me, Samie Parker is pedestrian at best. Mr. Holmes appears to be done. Blitzes,zone,cover 2, all forms of exotic schemes, etc. etc. will not substitute for lack of talent and (I'm truly sorry to say) coaching inconsistancies. Don't get me wrong though.....I want Mr. Edwards to suceed, what fan would'nt?

Priest4Prez
12-22-2006, 11:59 AM
I do not care for this line of reasoning.
To me, Samie Parker is pedestrian at best. Mr. Holmes appears to be done. Blitzes,zone,cover 2, all forms of exotic schemes, etc. etc. will not substitute for lack of talent and (I'm truly sorry to say) coaching inconsistancies. Don't get me wrong though.....I want Mr. Edwards to suceed, what fan would'nt?
What did you guys think of Jared Allen's comments last sunday about his school? I thought it was funny.

htismaqe
12-22-2006, 12:02 PM
What did you guys think of Jared Allen's comments last sunday about his school? I thought it was funny.

At least one member here thought it was an indication that the Chiefs suffer from a lack of organizational control...

ck_IN
12-22-2006, 12:11 PM
<i>At least one member here thought it was an indication that the Chiefs suffer from a lack of organizational control...</i>

Youv'e got to be joking?! If you're not then someone here needs to get a grip.

I'm not real fond of the whole 'such & such high school' thing. The first time or two it was funny. Now it's just lame. His 'home school' comment was funny and original. Now all he has to do is shut up and play his position.

htismaqe
12-22-2006, 12:16 PM
<i>At least one member here thought it was an indication that the Chiefs suffer from a lack of organizational control...</i>

Youv'e got to be joking?! If you're not then someone here needs to get a grip.

I'm not real fond of the whole 'such & such high school' thing. The first time or two it was funny. Now it's just lame. His 'home school' comment was funny and original. Now all he has to do is shut up and play his position.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=154775