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dirk digler
12-28-2006, 11:27 PM
This is definitely great news

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=425227&in_page_id=1774

The vaccine to cure every strain of flu
by FIONA MacRAE Last updated at 22:20pm on 28th December 2006

British scientists are on the verge of producing a revolutionary flu vaccine that works against all major types of the disease.

Described as the 'holy grail' of flu vaccines, it would protect against all strains of influenza A - the virus behind both bird flu and the nastiest outbreaks of winter flu.

Just a couple of injections could give long-lasting immunity - unlike the current vaccine which has to be given every year.

The brainchild of scientists at Cambridge biotech firm Acambis, working with Belgian researchers, the vaccine will be tested on humans for the first time in the next few months.

A similar universal flu vaccine, being developed by Swiss vaccine firm Cytos Biotechnology, could also be tested on people in 2007 - and the vaccines on the market in around five years.

Importantly, the vaccines would also be quicker and easier to make than the traditional jabs, meaning vast quantities could be stockpiled against a global outbreak of bird flu.

Martin Bachmann, of Cytos, said: "You could really stockpile it. In the case of a pandemic, that would be a huge advantage.

"If you were to start making a traditional vaccine at the start of a pandemic, there is no way there would be enough."

The Government believes a bird flu pandemic is inevitable, killing 50,000 people in Britain alone.

However, it acknowledges that the bug could be much more lethal - infecting one in two people and claiming more than 700,000 lives.

Normal winter flu can also kill, claiming up to 12,000 lives a year in the UK.

Although a vaccine exists, constant changes in the virus's appearance have until now made it impossible to create just one flu vaccine. Instead a new vaccine is put together each year to protect against the particular strains circulating at that time.

In addition, the virus used in the jab is grown in hen's eggs - a time-consuming process that yields just one shot of vaccine per egg.

The new jabs would be grown in huge vats of bacterial 'soup', with just two pints of liquid providing 10,000 doses of vaccine.

Current flu vaccines focus on two proteins on the surface of the virus. However, these constantly mutate in a bid to fool the immune system, making it impossible for vaccine manufacturers to keep up with the creation of each new strain.

The universal vaccines focus on a different protein called M2, which has barely changed during the last 100 years.

The protein is found in all types of Influenza A, including the current bird flu and the virus that caused the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic which killed up to 50 million across the globe.

Normally, such vaccines would have to go through at least five years of human tests before going on the market. However, if a bird flu pandemic occurs before that, they could be made more quickly available.

Zurich-based Cytos, which is also developing anti-smoking and obesity vaccines, has showed that its version of the jab stops mice dying from a dose of flu strong enough to kill them four-times over.

The vaccinated animals were also spared the fever that normally goes along with flu.

Although it is too early to say what the effect would be in humans, an initial course of two or three shots could provide long-lasting immunity, topped up with booster shots given every five to ten years.

Dr Ashley Birkett, of Acambis, said: "It wouldn't be that one shot protects for life but you would need fewer doses over your lifetime."

In addition, the jabs could be produced in vast quantities and stockpiled ahead of a flu pandemic - or even given to people in advance.

In contrast, a traditionally-produced vaccine, matched to the specific strain of flu, would not be available until around six months after the start of the pandemic.

The new vaccines only protect against influenza A - the version of the bug responsible for pandemic flu and the most severe cases of winter flu.

However, it may also be possible to create a similar jab against influenza B, which causes a milder form of winter flu.

Professor John Oxford, Britain's leading flu expert, said the development of a universal vaccine was the "holy grail" of flu research.

He added: "If you get a M2 vaccine which protects against the whole caboodle in the same vaccine, the possibilities are huge."

But, others cautioned that there is no guarantee that the jabs would be as effective in humans as it has been in animals.

Virologist Professor Ian Jones, of the University of Reading, said: "It is an encouraging technique which may have a role to play but it is too soon to assume that it will translate into a universal vaccine in the human population."

Dr Jim Robertson, a vaccine expert from the government-funded National Institute for Biological Standards and Control, said the main advantage of a universal jab would be lasting immunity.

"If it works, it will be lovely," he said. "The best result would be that it would last for a long, long time."

Dr Ron Cutler, an infectious diseases expert from the University of East London, said: "Continual protection would be a tremendous advantage against flu."

He cautioned however, that there is no guarantee that the M2 protein will not mutate in the future - meaning the jab will have to be regularly reformulated.

Halfcan
12-29-2006, 12:59 AM
sounds good

big nasty kcnut
12-29-2006, 01:06 AM
Yeah right cause then they would be broke cause there no money in the cure.

Ebolapox
12-29-2006, 01:16 AM
sweet!! now, if we could just find a way to get around those other nasty hemmorhagic fevers

BucEyedPea
12-29-2006, 01:50 AM
Well if antibiotics can mutate why not this eventually?
But "every" strain of flu? I don't buy it.
And let's hope they don't use the crap our vaccines have in them as carriers such as known neuro-toxins like mercury and aluminum that have created bad side effects in some children per congressional hearings.

Keep your immune sytsem strong.

DaneMcCloud
12-29-2006, 02:05 AM
I never take penicillin, flu shots or allergy shots. The best way to fight disease is to nourish and excerise your body properly so that it can fight diseases naturally.

The worst part about a cure "to the common cold" or to influenza and cancer is that there are enough poor and starving people in the world as it is; with such a cure, people are going to outlive current life expectancy? Why???

88TG88
12-29-2006, 02:10 AM
does it get u high ?

BucEyedPea
12-29-2006, 02:16 AM
I never take penicillin, flu shots or allergy shots. The best way to fight disease is to nourish and excerise your body properly so that it can fight diseases naturally.

I agree in the main for things like flus and colds. I stay away from overusing antibiotics myself and let my kid's fevers run thier natural course since it's the body's way of killing off what it bad. It's when they rise too quickly there can be some problems.

Guru
12-29-2006, 04:05 AM
Give it time. It will cause cancer.

KChiefer
12-29-2006, 04:36 AM
While I understand ppls scepticisim, just remember that vaccines have erraticated many horrible diseases like polio and small pox. While freaking out over a common flu is overreacting, scoffing at this article is near-sighted. I hope you won't keep this attitude if a real epidemic of bird flu hits for your kids and elders sake.

boogblaster
12-29-2006, 06:13 AM
Will it bring-back a Woody....

chagrin
12-29-2006, 06:31 AM
Well if antibiotics can mutate why not this eventually?
But "every" strain of flu? I don't buy it.
And let's hope they don't use the crap our vaccines have in them as carriers such as known neuro-toxins like mercury and aluminum that have created bad side effects in some children per congressional hearings.

Keep your immune sytsem strong.

Does everything have to be a f*ckin lecture with you?

kepp
12-29-2006, 08:25 AM
Well if antibiotics can mutate why not this eventually?
But "every" strain of flu? I don't buy it.
And let's hope they don't use the crap our vaccines have in them as carriers such as known neuro-toxins like mercury and aluminum that have created bad side effects in some children per congressional hearings.

Keep your immune sytsem strong.
Mercury-free flu shots are available. And, I'm guessing that not everyone can just "keep their immune system strong."

kepp
12-29-2006, 08:28 AM
Give it time. It will cause cancer.
Yep, I can see it now: "Studies find that when laboratory rats are given three times their body weight of the vaccine twice a day for 33 weeks, they develop cancer."

Simplex3
12-29-2006, 08:43 AM
I never take penicillin, flu shots or allergy shots. The best way to fight disease is to nourish and excerise your body properly so that it can fight diseases naturally.

The worst part about a cure "to the common cold" or to influenza and cancer is that there are enough poor and starving people in the world as it is; with such a cure, people are going to outlive current life expectancy? Why???
I have to agree. People are supposed to die. It's part of the cycle and shouldn't be f**ked with.

And for those of you who will try and give that BS "what if it was your family" argument, I include them.

dirk digler
12-29-2006, 09:06 AM
Wow I can't believe some people are bitching about a possible vaccine for the flu? Who the hell likes having the flu and if we can stop it what are the disadvantages of it? I see none.

I swear some of you would bitch if they found a cure for cancer or heart disease.

Redrum_69
12-29-2006, 09:12 AM
BUT what they didnt tell you...is that when they inject you with this vaccine...a chip is also implanted in you...


This is the start of the rapture....the end of times....


TRIBULATION IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!!

Simplex3
12-29-2006, 09:15 AM
Wow I can't believe some people are bitching about a possible vaccine for the flu? Who the hell likes having the flu and if we can stop it what are the disadvantages of it? I see none.

I swear some of you would bitch if they found a cure for cancer or heart disease.
What is missing from your life that causes you to need to live forever? My grandmother has had the best of medical care for years and now her body has outlived her mind. It's pretty dumb IMO.

dirk digler
12-29-2006, 09:20 AM
What is missing from your life that causes you to need to live forever? My grandmother has had the best of medical care for years and now her body has outlived her mind. It's pretty dumb IMO.

It is not about living forever it is about not getting sick. Everyone is going to die it is inevitable but if I could go the rest of my life without getting the flu, cancer or heart disease then I probably will enjoy my life alot more.

I just don't understand how people can complain about a vaccine for the flu or a cure for cancer.

Simplex3
12-29-2006, 09:37 AM
It is not about living forever it is about not getting sick. Everyone is going to die it is inevitable but if I could go the rest of my life without getting the flu, cancer or heart disease then I probably will enjoy my life alot more.
You really think not getting sick will make you happy? Do you really want to outlive your mind as long as cancer doesn't get you? There are things I worry about more than illness and death. I have a cold right now, so it's not like I'm completely detached from the whole thing.

crazycoffey
12-29-2006, 09:41 AM
Wow I can't believe some people are bitching about a possible vaccine for the flu? Who the hell likes having the flu and if we can stop it what are the disadvantages of it? I see none.

I swear some of you would bitch if they found a cure for cancer or heart disease.


These type of people will bitch about anything.

You could give them a gold brick and they would bitch about the shape

Simplex3
12-29-2006, 09:45 AM
These type of people will bitch about anything.

You could give them a gold brick and they would bitch about the shape
No, I'm fine with you guys doing this stuff and living to the point where you're in constant terror from the dementia. I'm just pointing out that you might want to consider the reality of your choices.

oaklandhater
12-29-2006, 09:47 AM
If I can live to be 25 years of age forever hell yea I would do it.

alnorth
12-29-2006, 09:49 AM
No, I'm fine with you guys doing this stuff and living to the point where you're in constant terror from the dementia. I'm just pointing out that you might want to consider the reality of your choices.

You act as if dementia is inevitable. Its a sad reality for some people, but there are a lot of 90+ senior citizens who are still healthy and lucid after a long happy life. They probably would not have made it to 60 if we were still stuck with 1800's medicine.

crazycoffey
12-29-2006, 09:56 AM
No, I'm fine with you guys doing this stuff and living to the point where you're in constant terror from the dementia. I'm just pointing out that you might want to consider the reality of your choices.

what did I do? Point out the reality, that you just want to start something everytime someone posts an opinion here.

You were bitching, he called you out, I just wanted to throw out a funny saying and agree with him.

guess what I also agree with you, sometimes, you should build up your immune system, excercise, etc. I also agree that death is a part of life, but I bet you would cry and beg for your life if it was being threatened prematurely.

There is nothing wrong with trying to prolong your time on this earth, I will do all I can that is within, natural and moral means. I mean I want to see the Chiefs win another superbowl sometime.....

dirk digler
12-29-2006, 09:58 AM
You really think not getting sick will make you happy? Do you really want to outlive your mind as long as cancer doesn't get you? There are things I worry about more than illness and death. I have a cold right now, so it's not like I'm completely detached from the whole thing.

Yes. Everytime I get a cold I want to shoot myself. I don't want to outlive my mind but wouldn't it be nice to live your life without illness?

Simplex3
12-29-2006, 10:00 AM
Yes. Everytime I get a cold I want to shoot myself. I don't want to outlive my mind but wouldn't it be nice to live your life without illness?
:shrug: Is it living your life if you're doing it without things that are part of life?

dirk digler
12-29-2006, 10:01 AM
There is nothing wrong with trying to prolong your time on this earth, I will do all I can that is within, natural and moral means. I mean I want to see the Chiefs win another superbowl sometime.....

Yep.

Who wants to suffer or see their loved ones suffer because of disease or illness? I have seen it first hand as many here have and that is not the way I want to go.

Simplex3
12-29-2006, 10:02 AM
...I also agree that death is a part of life, but I bet you would cry and beg for your life if it was being threatened prematurely.
What's premature? I don't think I have the date I'm supposed to die. Maybe I'm supposed to die on the day my life is being threatened. I can tell you that on the day I die I won't have any regrets about how I lived my life.

Frazod
12-29-2006, 10:03 AM
And in other news, the Titanic is unsinkable. :shake:

oaklandhater
12-29-2006, 10:03 AM
so your telling me if you can live forever Simplex you wouldn't do it ?

Simplex3
12-29-2006, 10:03 AM
Who wants to suffer or see their loved ones suffer because of disease or illness? I have seen it first hand as many here have and that is not the way I want to go.
I've watched two close relatives die painfully in the past two years and am gearing up to watch another die in the next couple of months. I'm just not sure we're helping the situation any.

Simplex3
12-29-2006, 10:04 AM
so oyur telling me if you can live forever Simplex you wouldn't do it ?
Live this lifetime forever? Not a chance. Not because I'm unhappy, far from it.

Redrum_69
12-29-2006, 10:04 AM
What they need is to hurry up and get a cure for Aids....so hootie can have a fighting chance

crazycoffey
12-29-2006, 10:04 AM
Yep.

Who wants to suffer or see their loved ones suffer because of disease or illness? I have seen it first hand as many here have and that is not the way I want to go.

but suffering is a part of growth and growth is a part of life. Living life to it's fullest, smelling the flowers, etc.

I agree with the extreme view of simplex, if I'm a vegtable - pull the plug, but that's about the extent of it.

crazycoffey
12-29-2006, 10:09 AM
so your telling me if you can live forever Simplex you wouldn't do it ?


Well now the question is being posed from your extreme. The answer couldn't be anything but relative. Your body can not live forever, your mind will erode, surgery only does so much, what are you asking?

Do I want to clone myself and put my mind in my clone? Sounds like a Sci Fi plot, HELL NO I would not do that. It's not natural or moral.

Will I take some cold medicine, to boost my immune system and get to feeling better, yes. Would I undergo surgery for almost any ailment, yes I would. Do I want a long happy life? yes.

Please do not take my quote out of context, use it all or not at all.

Whosurdaddy
12-29-2006, 10:21 AM
The protein is found in all types of Influenza A, including the current bird flu and the virus that caused the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic which killed up to 50 million across the globe.
Maybe for a few years it will work, but not long after that. If only a hundred bacteria M2 proteins mutate, then it is still going to be useless in the future. There are trillion of trillions of Influenza A, but of there is always going to be a percentage that will mutate under certain environmental constraints(a change in the immune system). Which means it's progency will be resistant ect.. Same thing that happened to penicillin, and now it is all but resisted by millions of bacteria. It generally takes longer for vaccines which is great, but it will happen. It will save lives, but it is not going to be a miracle vaccine.

dirk digler
12-29-2006, 10:41 AM
:shrug: Is it living your life if you're doing it without things that are part of life?

Depends on what it is. If I could go through life without having cancer or paying taxes I don't think I would be missing much.

dirk digler
12-29-2006, 10:43 AM
I've watched two close relatives die painfully in the past two years and am gearing up to watch another die in the next couple of months.

I am sorry to hear that Simplex.

Bowser
12-29-2006, 10:55 AM
I'll just wait for the nanotechnology that keeps me 25 for like two hundred years.

BucEyedPea
12-29-2006, 11:25 AM
Mercury-free flu shots are available. And, I'm guessing that not everyone can just "keep their immune system strong."
Well finally! That's good news! Now how 'bout the aluminum?
There are homeopathic immunizations too.

Yes, most can strengthen their immune system. It's having the right data and
the personal discipline to do it. Also, getting some illnesses builds up immunity as well. We don't have to fight everything we get. Especially the lesser ills.


Wow I can't believe some people are bitching about a possible vaccine for the flu? Who the hell likes having the flu and if we can stop it what are the disadvantages of it? I see none.

I swear some of you would bitch if they found a cure for cancer or heart disease.

It's not that. Remember antibiotics were considered wonder drugs but we have now found that overuse of them are not such a good idea as they mutate.
This is more the point, at least for me. So with illnesses that are more a pain in the butt, for most people at least, why not just let thy body heal itself with it's wonderful ability to do so.

Now cancer and heart disease are another category of illness where medical intervention would seem called for. But even these have had continuing discovery as to their causes.

I just don't buy the abolutist concept is all. Nor do I believe in turning my body into a toxic dump in order enrich the pharmaceutical industry.

Mr. Laz
12-29-2006, 01:07 PM
in 5 years.......