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Tuckdaddy
01-08-2007, 07:39 AM
seriously. This should be a no brainer. He's 37 and his skills have drastically declined.

ChiefsCountry
01-08-2007, 07:44 AM
Umm, one more year as a stop gap before the Brodie Croyle era begins.

Reerun_KC
01-08-2007, 07:45 AM
True and he deserves much better coaching then what the Chiefs are going to give him.


Trent is a classy stand up guy, with a complete retarded clueless Monkey for a coach...

Why in the hell would you want to stay in KC?

chagrin
01-08-2007, 07:47 AM
Trent does not suck, he sucked in that game but isn't it obvious that the concussion combined with shitty play calling and WR's that can't get open assisted in his poor performance? geesh

Kerberos
01-08-2007, 08:03 AM
Let's not forget that his protection Saturday was subpar as well.

I think Green has been spoiled the last few years with a line that was arguably one of the BEST in the NFL. NOW he is just another GOOD QB that has to look over his shoulder more and throwing passes that he might not have thrown a year ago.

That and WR's dropping balls a lot this year doesn't help IMO.

IN MY BEST JOKER's Voice:

"This Team Needs an Enema"

.

kc rush
01-08-2007, 09:45 AM
Poor protection, poor strategy and poor hands by receivers sure do make a QB look bad.

The guy is class, so I hope they either fix the o-line or trade him to a team that close to contending. I hate hearing people boo him after all he has done.

My gut feeling is that Trent will be back because of his cap number and he will be an average (not great) QB for another year until Croyle is ready to go.

Lzen
01-08-2007, 09:56 AM
I love Trent Green and everything he has done for the Chiefs. That being said, I would rather just see him retire. It's obvious that his skills have declined since the concussion. Plus, his cap number cannot be justified by the performance he gave this year.

Count Zarth
01-08-2007, 09:58 AM
Trent isn't going anywhere. It's just not feasible given his contract.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-08-2007, 09:59 AM
There is one good reason he should stay and will, "Well quite candidly Trent Green is still under contract to the Kansas City Chiefs"

Now Gretz get on the move there and write an article on why Huard sucks and Green is the QBOTF.

Peterson OUT!

Woodrow Call
01-08-2007, 10:01 AM
Trent is one of all-time favorite Chiefs but I'm ready for a fresh start. If that means throwing Croyle to the wolves fine. Sign a vet or keep Huard in case Croyle craps down his leg.

Calcountry
01-08-2007, 10:05 AM
I love Trent Green and everything he has done for the Chiefs. That being said, I would rather just see him retire. It's obvious that his skills have declined since the concussion. Plus, his cap number cannot be justified by the performance he gave this year.If it is so "obvious" to everyone, then why didn't the coaches see it?

Mile High Mania
01-08-2007, 10:05 AM
WRs might help trent out... Kennison is a bit long in the tooth. Hall is more of a trick receiver and Parker hasn't proved to be much of a threat.

Reerun_KC
01-08-2007, 10:06 AM
Trent is one of all-time favorite Chiefs but I'm ready for a fresh start. If that means throwing Croyle to the wolves fine. Sign a vet or keep Huard in case Croyle craps down his leg.


God Lord and go through another whole season of how and why Huard single handly put a stop to WWII. I am ready for Hiroshima Huard to blow up another team.. Goodbye and good riddance!

Reerun_KC
01-08-2007, 10:07 AM
If it is so "obvious" to everyone, then why didn't the coaches see it?


Same reason they run run pass punt. That is Herm's MO.. He wants to play his ball win or lose, then find someone else to blame...

Redrum_69
01-08-2007, 10:08 AM
TRADE GREEN

TRADE HUARD FOR A FIRST ONE DRAFT PICK

TRADE GONZO FOR A FIRST ROUND PICK

Mr. Laz
01-08-2007, 10:08 AM
his skills have drastically declined.
we don't know this ... he got hurt and struggle for a few games when he came back.

hardly enough to know that his skills have declined.



a better reason would be that if we are going to simplify this pathetically simple offense so more there really isn't a reason to not go with a cheap Quarterback.

kitna,garcia ... one of these guys that don't cost much.

DeezNutz
01-08-2007, 10:09 AM
Trent isn't going anywhere. It's just not feasible given his contract.

This was what I thought, too, but I was guessing. Do you know more specifics? What the cap hit would be? Or are you just full of :BS: like myself?

Lzen
01-08-2007, 10:09 AM
TRADE GREEN

TRADE HUARD FOR A FIRST ONE DRAFT PICK

TRADE GONZO FOR A FIRST ROUND PICK

Nobody will give up a first round draft pick for Huard. Say no to crack.

Brock
01-08-2007, 10:10 AM
It appeared to me that when they took the leash off of him, he drove the team right down the field. Personally, I think Green is very frustrated with the utterly retarded offense Edwards apparently wants to use. Neanderthal football is dead.

Count Zarth
01-08-2007, 10:11 AM
This was what I thought, too, but I was guessing. Do you know more specifics? What the cap hit would be? Or are you just full of :BS: like myself?

I don't know what the cap hit would be, only that it would be too much.

Woodrow Call
01-08-2007, 10:12 AM
WRs might help trent out... Kennison is a bit long in the tooth. Hall is more of a trick receiver and Parker hasn't proved to be much of a threat.

WR is about as big of a problem as OL.

DeezNutz
01-08-2007, 10:13 AM
I don't know what the cap hit would be, only that it would be too much.

I'll take this as an admission of :BS: . :D

Mile High Mania
01-08-2007, 10:13 AM
WR is about as big of a problem as OL.

IMO (and I know the KC offense was badass a few years running), but WR has always been a problem, but Saunders hid it well. Herm showcased the mediocrity at the position.

Chiefnj
01-08-2007, 10:14 AM
I don't think any of the veteran offensive players want to come back.

DaFace
01-08-2007, 10:16 AM
Nobody will give up a first round draft pick for Huard. Say no to crack.

Especially since he's a FA after this year.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-08-2007, 10:16 AM
TRADE GREEN

TRADE HUARD FOR A FIRST ONE DRAFT PICK

TRADE GONZO FOR A FIRST ROUND PICK


Sh!t the sky IS falling....man overboard man overboard.


ROFL ROFL ROFL

jspchief
01-08-2007, 10:17 AM
Honest question: What is Trent Green good at at this point in his career?


After Saturday's game I started thinking about it.

IMO his best attribute has always been his ability to go through progressions. He's not terribly accurate, his high completion percentage was a product of his ability to find the open guy. He doesn't have a lot of touch on his throws (never has). His short passes are too hard and his deep ones tend to float or die. He's not mobile, and while in the past he's been at least elusive, pressure seems to rattle him more than ever now.

So the one thing that Green does really well is now negated by a line that can't give him enough time.

I can't think of a single reason why I would want Green back in anything other than a backup role. He's either not the guy he used to be, or we was always a product of his O-line. Either way, I think it's time for the next Chiefs QB.

acesn8s
01-08-2007, 10:19 AM
Nobody will give up a first round draft pick for Huard. Say no to crack.
I think Huard is a free agent anyway.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2007, 10:19 AM
Damon Huard is a free agent ........ THERE'S NOTHING TO TRADE.

hawkchief
01-08-2007, 10:20 AM
Honest question: What is Trent Green good at at this point in his career?


After Saturday's game I started thinking about it.

IMO his best attribute has always been his ability to go through progressions. He's not terribly accurate, his high completion percentage was a product of his ability to find the open guy. He doesn't have a lot of touch on his throws (never has). His short passes are too hard and his deep ones tend to float or die. He's not mobile, and while in the past he's been at least elusive, pressure seems to rattle him more than ever now.

So the one thing that Green does really well is now negated by a line that can't give him enough time.

I can't think of a single reason why I would want Green back in anything other than a backup role. He's either not the guy he used to be, or we was always a product of his O-line. Either way, I think it's time for the next Chiefs QB.

Bingo!

KCJohnny
01-08-2007, 10:23 AM
IMO (and I know the KC offense was badass a few years running), but WR has always been a problem, but Saunders hid it well. Herm showcased the mediocrity at the position.

You can get by on the cheap with WRs if you have a pass-protect capability that allows your immobile QB to stand safely in the pocket and make his reads. We had that 2002-2005. Its gone. We need two OTs and a real FB. Get that fixed and start Huard, and we could play avaerage WRs and do good.

Woodrow Call
01-08-2007, 10:23 AM
IMO (and I know the KC offense was badass a few years running), but WR has always been a problem, but Saunders hid it well. Herm showcased the mediocrity at the position.

I agree. When the OL was giving Trent all day to throw the WR could get open and it hid the problem. Now that the OL has slipped down to Raider-like levels the WRs are being exposed. They get no seperation which results in INTs, sacks, and incompletions.

Kennison is a decent #2, Hall should never see the field on offense(or special teams), and Parker is worthless.

Bowser
01-08-2007, 10:24 AM
It appeared to me that when they took the leash off of him, he drove the team right down the field. Personally, I think Green is very frustrated with the utterly retarded offense Edwards apparently wants to use. Neanderthal football is dead.

Jesus. Thank you.

Am I crazy in saying Trent looked as good as he had all year against the Colts, particularly in the first half? He had zip on the ball, but nobody around him looked like they were up to play the game. Yeah, he threw two picks in the fourth quarter, but I think it's fair to assume he was pressing at that point, trying to make a play when nobody else wanted to.

He's the best QB we've had since Dawson, he goes through a season straight out of a nightmare and doesn't put up the gaudy stats of the last four years, and everybody wants to shitcan him. Unbelievable.

el borracho
01-08-2007, 10:24 AM
Damon Huard is a free agent ........ THERE'S NOTHING TO TRADE.
Franchise him and then trade him for two first round picks. Chiefs rule!!!

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 10:28 AM
With an off-season of rest & a re-tooled O line, i have every faith that Trent can still play well for us in 07, beyond that not so much.

If he goes i hope we stand pat with Huard, Croyle & maybe see if Printers matures. I'm tired of "outsourcing" for QB's, lets grow some right here.

I saw Trent whip several tight spirals accurately when he played, his arm is NOT shot. The concussion cobwebs may have effected some of his touch stuff, but a full off-season of rest should handle that.

VOTE GREEN!!!

Lzen
01-08-2007, 10:28 AM
Especially since he's a FA after this year.

Oh yeah. That too. I forgot about that.

Mile High Mania
01-08-2007, 10:28 AM
Franchise him and then trade him for two first round picks. Chiefs rule!!!

It's a bit tough to franchise an unrestricted free agent...

KCJohnny
01-08-2007, 10:30 AM
With an off-season of rest & a re-tooled O line, i have every faith that Trent can still play well for us in 07, beyond that not so much.

If he goes i hope we stand pat with Huard, Croyle & maybe see if Printers matures. I'm tired of "outsourcing" for QB's, lets grow some right here.

I saw Trent whip several tight spirals accurately when he played, his arm is NOT shot. The concussion cobwebs may have effected some of his touch stuff, but a full off-season of rest should handle that.

VOTE GREEN!!!

Look how many vet QBs were benched this year in favor of young QBs: Plummer, Bledsoe, Brunnell, Warner, etc... I'm sure I'm leaving a bunch off the list. That's what we would be looking at starting TG next year at 37.

Lzen
01-08-2007, 10:31 AM
Jesus. Thank you.

Am I crazy in saying Trent looked as good as he had all year against the Colts, particularly in the first half? He had zip on the ball, but nobody around him looked like they were up to play the game. Yeah, he threw two picks in the fourth quarter, but I think it's fair to assume he was pressing at that point, trying to make a play when nobody else wanted to.

He's the best QB we've had since Dawson, he goes through a season straight out of a nightmare and doesn't put up the gaudy stats of the last four years, and everybody wants to shitcan him. Unbelievable.

I don't disagree. I've been a Green supporter all along. It's just that history has shown us that a QBs skills start declining fast at his age. It's time to move on.

acesn8s
01-08-2007, 10:31 AM
Jesus. Thank you.

Am I crazy in saying Trent looked as good as he had all year against the Colts, particularly in the first half? He had zip on the ball, but nobody around him looked like they were up to play the game. Yeah, he threw two picks in the fourth quarter, but I think it's fair to assume he was pressing at that point, trying to make a play when nobody else wanted to.

He's the best QB we've had since Dawson, he goes through a season straight out of a nightmare and doesn't put up the gaudy stats of the last four years, and everybody wants to shitcan him. Unbelievable.
Trent only had 1 game with a passer rating over 75.5(Cleveland 127). Huard only had 2 below that number. When the backup is out perfoming the starter, he needs to be given a shot. Gannon, er, Huard should at least seen the field once to see if he made a difference.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2007, 10:33 AM
It's a bit tough to franchise an unrestricted free agent...
:spock:


actually that's exactly what the franchise tag is for


every team's free agents are still attached to the team until March 1st (iirc)

each team has the choice of applying a tag to all the potiential free agents before then.


that said ......... we are not applying the franchise tag to a backup QB which would give him the average of the top 5 QB in the league.

basically tagging Huard would give him a 7 million per year raise. He's sign that is a heartbeat and give Peterson a BJ to boot.

Lzen
01-08-2007, 10:34 AM
It's a bit tough to franchise an unrestricted free agent...


Why is that? Am I missing something? I though that's what the franchise tag was used for (bad grammar, I know). Guys become FAs and their current team slaps the franchise tag on them so that no other teams can sign them. Unless, of course, they want to part with a couple 1st round draft picks.

el borracho
01-08-2007, 10:34 AM
It's a bit tough to franchise an unrestricted free agent...
Do NOT underestimate Carl's power of negotiation!

FAX
01-08-2007, 10:34 AM
Trent is still a great QB. He deserves to play behind a line that can block for more than one mississippi and for a coach whose concept of an offense is somewhat more advanced than handing it off up the middle 4792 times a year.

Trent has given us some great years, great games, and great plays. He has covered for an abysmal defense for years and deserves the respect of all Chiefs fans.

So there.

FAX

Brock
01-08-2007, 10:34 AM
Why is that? Am I missing something? I though that's what the franchise tag was used for (bad grammar, I know). Guys become FAs and their current team slaps the franchise tag on them so that no other teams can sign them. Unless, of course, they want to part with a couple 1st round draft picks.

You are correct.

Mile High Mania
01-08-2007, 10:35 AM
Sorry, I didn't type fully what I was thinking... note that I didn't say impossible. I was implying "bit tough to franchise an unrestricted FA backup"...

My bad.

Lzen
01-08-2007, 10:36 AM
Sorry, I didn't type fully what I was thinking... note that I didn't say impossible. I was implying "bit tough to franchise an unrestricted FA backup"...

My bad.


Well, I don't think it would be wise for a team to slap the franchise tag on a career backup.

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 10:36 AM
Look how many vet QBs were benched this year in favor of young QBs: Plummer, Bledsoe, Brunnell, Warner, etc... I'm sure I'm leaving a bunch off the list. That's what we would be looking at starting TG next year at 37.

Good points all, but my gut says Green has 1 more in him if the talent around him is upgraded. If he falters then he would make a Class A #1 sideline coach for Huard or Croyle.

The guy has always been a honest broker, if he thinks he has another in him, i say...why not???

Mr. Laz
01-08-2007, 10:37 AM
Sorry, I didn't type fully what I was thinking... note that I didn't say impossible. I was implying "bit tough to franchise an unrestricted FA backup"...

My bad.
you're a donkey fan ... i understand completely


:D

kc rush
01-08-2007, 10:39 AM
Yeah, he threw two picks in the fourth quarter, but I think it's fair to assume he was pressing at that point, trying to make a play when nobody else wanted to.



He was being hit and threw the ball off of his back foot on the first INT. That is a protection problem. He looked like he was trying to make something out of nothing when the game was out of hand on the second INT.

I'm a Green fan so I hope they fix the line or trade him to a contender rather than letting him flounder.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2007, 10:39 AM
Trent is still a great QB. He deserves to play behind a line that can block for more than one mississippi

FAX
and the offensive line deserves more from their offensive coordinator than to have him basically shout out the upcoming play over the loud speaker.


:harumph:

~Laz

el borracho
01-08-2007, 10:40 AM
Well, I don't think it would be wise for a team to slap the franchise tag on a career backup.
What if that so-called backup is Damon 'Big Balls' Huard?! Huh?! Then what?!!!

KCJohnny
01-08-2007, 10:42 AM
Good points all, but my gut says Green has 1 more in him if the talent around him is upgraded. If he falters then he would make a Class A #1 sideline coach for Huard or Croyle.

The guy has always been a honest broker, if he thinks he has another in him, i say...why not???

If there was a SERIOUS push for a SB in 2007, I'd say give him a chance to win the job in camp, but he'll be 37 next year, he's not the QBotF and chances are we're staring at another 8-8 season, so why not play Croyle or get David Carr or Eli Manning or another younger vet? I like Trent Green a lot, he's a class act, a great leader, a tremendous performer under DV, but Herm's taking the team in another direction. Again, look at how many teams replaced their vet QBs this year.

FAX
01-08-2007, 10:42 AM
and the offensive line deserves more from their offensive coordinator than to have him basically shout out the upcoming play over the loud speaker.


:harumph:

~Laz

Agreedasmatic.

FAX

MahiMike
01-08-2007, 10:45 AM
True and he deserves much better coaching then what the Chiefs are going to give him.


Trent is a classy stand up guy, with a complete retarded clueless Monkey for a coach...

Why in the hell would you want to stay in KC?

Exactly. Him and Herm don't mix. Bring him down to Jax. I'd love to watch him up close.

WilliamTheIrish
01-08-2007, 10:46 AM
It appeared to me that when they took the leash off of him, he drove the team right down the field. Personally, I think Green is very frustrated with the utterly retarded offense Edwards apparently wants to use. Neanderthal football is dead.

What? It's not neanderthal. It's called retro or old school. And it's coming to a franchise very near you.

I'm so f'ing excited.

acesn8s
01-08-2007, 10:47 AM
and the offensive line deserves more from their offensive coordinator than to have him basically shout out the upcoming play over the loud speaker.


:harumph:

~Laz
That's good for a Kansas city Chiefs....FIRST DOWN....and another run, run, pass, punt.

FAX
01-08-2007, 10:55 AM
... Him and Herm don't mix. ...

That's affirmamento, Mr. MahiMike.

Herm's "you have to do what your players do best" speech rings very hollow after this season. I declare Herm an idiot and a fool and an NFL media project.

I would not be surprised if, very soon, he insults Trent in public and tries to convince "fans with the common eye" that they should have handed off to LJ more often in that game.

FAX

Calcountry
01-08-2007, 10:57 AM
TRADE GREEN

TRADE HUARD FOR A FIRST ONE DRAFT PICK

TRADE GONZO FOR A FIRST ROUND PICKHuard isn't worth a first round pick.

FringeNC
01-08-2007, 11:00 AM
That's affirmamento, Mr. MahiMike.

I declare Herm an idiot and a fool and an NFL media project.

FAX

Rep. That's a good description of Herm.

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 11:06 AM
If there was a SERIOUS push for a SB in 2007, I'd say give him a chance to win the job in camp, but he'll be 37 next year, he's not the QBotF and chances are we're staring at another 8-8 season, so why not play Croyle or get David Carr or Eli Manning or another younger vet? I like Trent Green a lot, he's a class act, a great leader, a tremendous performer under DV, but Herm's taking the team in another direction. Again, look at how many teams replaced their vet QBs this year.

No way do i envision a 8-8 season next year, this D took a MAJOR stride at indy & we still have a good core to build around on O.

Carr - confidence has been beaten from him like a mugging victim in Tijuana.

Eli - Perhaps the most overrated QB of the last 5 years. He plays the game & looks like he just lost his mom.

crazycoffey
01-08-2007, 11:09 AM
what happens to the cap hit if Trent "retires"

(quotes = see forced retirement)

Chiefnj
01-08-2007, 11:12 AM
... & we still have a good core to build around on O.

.

Who is this "core" you speak of?

FringeNC
01-08-2007, 11:12 AM
No way do i envision a 8-8 season next year, this D took a MAJOR stride at indy & we still have a good core to build around on O.

Carr - confidence has been beaten from him like a mugging victim in Tiajuana.

Eli - Perhaps the most overrated QB of the last 5 years. He plays the game & looks like he just lost his mom.

Just about 450 yards and 30 first downs are major strides?

WilliamTheIrish
01-08-2007, 11:13 AM
Just about 450 yards and 30 first downs are major strides?

Yes. We made them punt this time. /sarcasm]

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 11:17 AM
Who is this "core" you speak of?

Waters

LJ

TG - HOPEFULLY

BIGFOOT - Thats right, i said it.

2 solid vet QB's & 1 promising project. Even if one of the vets go's, i dont think its panic time.

Possibly Wiggy & Shields, who by the way, is still a top 10 G in my book.

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 11:18 AM
Just about 450 yards and 30 first downs are major strides?

F'N PLEASE, You dont think that a lot of that came later in the game when the D's legs felt like grape jelly???

BULLSHITE!!!

WilliamTheIrish
01-08-2007, 11:23 AM
F'N PLEASE, You dont think that a lot of that came later in the game when the D's legs felt like grape jelly???

BULLSHITE!!!

They had over 250 yards of offense and 12 first downs in the first half. Only six points, which was outstanding. But Manning made some mistakes that (IMO only) didn't seem like they were forced due to our defensive pressure.
Maybe they were. I don't know.

Edit: 15 first downs in the first half.

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 11:26 AM
They had over 250 yards of offense and 12 first downs in the first half. Only six points, which was outstanding. But Manning made some mistakes that (IMO only) didn't seem like they were forced due to our defensive pressure.
Maybe they were. I don't know.

Edit: 15 first downs in the first half.

That will happen when the O goes for 5-7 consecutive 3 & outs.

I cant believe anyone would try to hang this on the D.

WilliamTheIrish
01-08-2007, 11:30 AM
That will happen when the O goes for 5-7 consecutive 3 & outs.

I cant believe anyone would try to hang this on the D.

Scott. Grab ahold of your undies. Take you index finger and bend it like a hook. Now reach way in there and pull them out.

I'm NOT blaming this on the D. However, they were giving up yards left and right. Yes, they got three INT's. I'm happy with that. But they were no great shakes. This D, while miles better than the last few seasons, is still pretty .......marginal. At best.

acesn8s
01-08-2007, 11:31 AM
That will happen when the O goes for 5-7 consecutive 3 & outs.

I cant believe anyone would try to hang this on the D.
Well, if the D would have just scored more then we wouldn't be bitching about a loss now would we?

acesn8s
01-08-2007, 11:33 AM
Scott. Grab ahold of your undies. Take you index finger and bend it like a hook. Now reach way in there and pull them out.

I'm NOT blaming this on the D. However, they were giving up yards left and right. Yes, they got three INT's. I'm happy with that. But they were no great shakes. This D, while miles better than the last few seasons, is still pretty .......marginal. At best.
At least they're not ranked 30 something.

ChiefsCountry
01-08-2007, 11:35 AM
Lets see here, Trent can run the circus offesne of DV/AS but a dumb down basic football offense he can't. :shake:

KCJohnny
01-08-2007, 11:40 AM
Scott. Grab ahold of your undies. Take you index finger and bend it like a hook. Now reach way in there and pull them out.

I'm NOT blaming this on the D. However, they were giving up yards left and right. Yes, they got three INT's. I'm happy with that. But they were no great shakes. This D, while miles better than the last few seasons, is still pretty .......marginal. At best.

I disagree. We are one DT away from a top 10 defense. Not just any DT, a gamer, but that's it. Maybe a better MLB if we are married to the Cover 2, but this D is pretty sound.

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 11:41 AM
Scott. Grab ahold of your undies. Take you index finger and bend it like a hook. Now reach way in there and pull them out.

I'm NOT blaming this on the D. However, they were giving up yards left and right. Yes, they got three INT's. I'm happy with that. But they were no great shakes. This D, while miles better than the last few seasons, is still pretty .......marginal. At best.

Well Mr. Irish, i've gone commando since 91 when i didnt feel like taking up space in my ruck with undies on the way to a field problem in the ARMY. So i'm free & clear.

Part of the reason they were giving up so many yards, is because thats what the 2 is supposed to do, let'em move it between the 30's without giving up the bomb.

Were it not for the D, the score would have had us yanking out our hair by the handfuls. Most of the game, manning was moping around rolling his eyes like he always does because he couldnt punch it in.

The goal line stand didnt impress you???

FringeNC
01-08-2007, 11:41 AM
F'N PLEASE, You dont think that a lot of that came later in the game when the D's legs felt like grape jelly???

BULLSHITE!!!

As has been mentioned, much of the yardage was in the first half. I don't think the D cost us the game -- certainly not. They played much better than the offense. But to suggest that they made major strides is laughably absurd.

Mile High Mania
01-08-2007, 11:46 AM
I think KC had an improved DEF, but it wasn't a world beater... they were good enough to limit Indy to 9 points early, otherwise it would have been uglier earlier. Indy still had the ball for nearly 40 minutes and Manning set a new playoff best with completions in a single game.

That being said... the defense does have a nice future though with huge room for improvement in 07.

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 11:48 AM
As has been mentioned, much of the yardage was in the first half. I don't think the D cost us the game -- certainly not. They played much better than the offense. But to suggest that they made major strides is laughably absurd.

They kept us close for 3/4 of the game, ON THE ROAD, against a HIGH-FLYING O , in the PLAYOFFS.

If THATS not a major step...then what the HELL is???

KCJohnny
01-08-2007, 11:49 AM
They kept us close for 3/4 of the game, ON THE ROAD, against a HIGH-FLYING O , in the PLAYOFFS.

If THATS not a major step...then what the HELL is???

Save your ammo. They don't see it because of emotion.

ROYC75
01-08-2007, 11:51 AM
seriously. This should be a no brainer. He's 37 and his skills have drastically declined.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling .......run for your lives.

MeaTy The Pimp
01-08-2007, 11:53 AM
Pardon me if this has already been said, but I am at work and don't have time to read every post on this thread. I am not ready to put all the blame on Green. I saw alot of catchable passes that either hit the receivers in the hands or numbers that didn't get caught.

FAX
01-08-2007, 11:56 AM
seriously. This should be a no brainer. He's 37 and his skills have drastically declined.

In this case, it may not be so much a skill problem as it is a skull problem, Mr. Tuckdaddy.

That and the fact that it's kinda hard to find a receiver when a DE is grinding your face into the carpet.

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Mr. Laz
01-08-2007, 12:03 PM
Pardon me if this has already been said, but I am at work and don't have time to read every post on this thread. I am not ready to put all the blame on Green. I saw alot of catchable passes that either hit the receivers in the hands or numbers that didn't get caught.
agreed ... i don't know that Green threw a bad pass in 1st half, did he?


2/3 drops and 1 sack ... that's about it.



Green had some poor throws later in the game ... but it was already desperation time.


Green didn't play well ... but didn't play crappy either

FringeNC
01-08-2007, 12:05 PM
They kept us close for 3/4 of the game, ON THE ROAD, against a HIGH-FLYING O , in the PLAYOFFS.

If THATS not a major step...then what the HELL is???

Look, I'll go so far as to say the defense played "well". That's far from saying that we have turned some corner and that the defense is going to be really good next year. One game against a team that has a proclivity to choke in the playoffs simply isn't a large enough sample size. How about we choose Cleveland as our one game.

I'm hardly bashing the defense. I just fail to see how this impacts next season at all.

I went back and looked at the stats. Holding Indy to 5.4 yards per play is pretty darn good. They racked up the yards because they were able to run so many plays against the Herminated offense. But again, 5.4 yards is pretty darn good, but it's not great, and it's one frickin' game against a QB who tried to choke it away.

Tuckdaddy
01-08-2007, 12:09 PM
In this case, it may not be so much a skill problem as it is a skull problem, Mr. Tuckdaddy.

That and the fact that it's kinda hard to find a receiver when a DE is grinding your face into the carpet.

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I'm not blaming Green for Indy but anyone can see that he's not the same. His arm has gone weak and he does not show the command he had.

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 12:15 PM
Were it not for the D, the score could very well have been 43-8.

I was NEVER prouder of them than in that game.

This D could be MONSTROUS in 07.

Thats where my $$$ is.

FringeNC
01-08-2007, 12:18 PM
I'm not blaming Green for Indy but anyone can see that he's not the same. His arm has gone weak and he does not show the command he had.

Every time Green has struggled since 2001, everyone always says his arm has gone (or IS) weak. Green relies on good mechanics to generate his power. It's hard to have good mechanics with Jordan Black at LT and LJ as a blocker.

I don't think Green is washed up. Send him to Washington, and I think he shines. There is simply no reason to keep him around here in this Herminated offense, though. It's just going to diminish his standing in the community, and beat the hell out of his body, and lower his career QB rating. And he'll lose a lot of football games. He's a great system QB, but Herm doesn't believe in systems. Chicago may be a good fit, too. I certainly wish the guy the best of luck.

Edit: Detroit may not be bad for trent, either. Martz is there. I think Martz loves Kitna, though.

Over-Head
01-08-2007, 12:20 PM
He's old and beat up you say? :hmmm:

Welcome to Oakland Mr.Green :D

FringeNC
01-08-2007, 12:22 PM
Were it not for the D, the score could very well have been 43-8.

I was NEVER prouder of them than in that game.

This D could be MONSTROUS in 07.

Thats where my $$$ is.

You simply cannot have a very good D with what we have at DT. That position has to be upgraded.

Sure-Oz
01-08-2007, 12:23 PM
1 more year for Green and have Croyle backing him up and learning. He'd have a great teacher. There is NO reason to ditch Green this coming season. No way Croyle is ready right now. Why sign another QB to stop gap 1 year?!

bringbackmarty
01-08-2007, 12:24 PM
guys give it up, he was never that good, cant really avoid the rush, can't improvise, good system qb, but the system has changed. He will retire, or be cut.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2007, 12:25 PM
1 more year for Green and have Croyle backing him up and learning. He'd have a great teacher. There is NO reason to ditch Green this coming season. No way Croyle is ready right now. Why sign another QB to stop gap 1 year?!
i think Green would make a good Quarterback's Coach.

i think he wants to retire/live in KC ... maybe he'll try it.

Over-Head
01-08-2007, 12:25 PM
Were it not for the D, the score could very well have been 43-8.

I was NEVER prouder of them than in that game.

This D could be MONSTROUS in 07.

Thats where my $$$ is.

See folks!!!
THIS is why you should always by quality product instead of that cheap azzed mexican weed! :shake:

FAX
01-08-2007, 12:26 PM
Every time Green has struggled since 2001, everyone always says his arm has gone (or IS) weak. Green relies on good mechanics to generate his power. It's hard to have good mechanics with Jordan Black at LT and LJ as a blocker.

I don't think Green is washed up. Send him to Washington, and I think he shines. There is simply no reason to keep him around here in this Herminated offense, though. It's just going to diminish his standing in the community, and beat the hell out of his body, and lower his career QB rating. And he'll lose a lot of football games. He's a great system QB, but Herm doesn't believe in systems. Chicago may be a good fit, too. I certainly wish the guy the best of luck.

Edit: Detroit may not be bad for trent, either. Martz is there. I think Martz loves Kitna, though.

Good post, Mr. FringeNC.

Herm put our racehorse behind a plow. Now he'll blame the weather and the government when he doesn't make back his seed money.

Now that we're going to simplify even more, we don't really need Trent at all. We need a handoff machine.

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Sure-Oz
01-08-2007, 12:27 PM
i think Green would make a good Quarterback's Coach.

i think he wants to retire/live in KC ... maybe he'll try it.
I would love to see Green comeback as a coach here, but i dunno if he'd do it. I could see him being a TV guy. like announcing games or being an analyst. We'll see.

bringbackmarty
01-08-2007, 12:28 PM
What is green going to teach croyle? he is as lost as solari when it comes to the offense. The offense is so vast, and solari has no clue how to call it, it might as well be a whole different offense. Also, Green simply does not have good enough personnel to run it effectively any more. there are too many holes at wr\fb\ol to call it the way green likes to run it, so it has changed. There is no way it gets back to where it was by the time he retires so we might as well go with Huard, or Croyle Or draft a QB in the first.

Chiefnj
01-08-2007, 12:30 PM
If I'm Trent Green I'd call Al Saunders this morning and say "Hey Al, can your OL protect me for more than 3 seconds? Yes? How about me, Tony G and Dante Hall playing in DC next year".

FringeNC
01-08-2007, 12:32 PM
If I'm Trent Green I'd call Al Saunders this morning and say "Hey Al, can your OL protect me for more than 3 seconds? Yes? How about me, Tony G and Dante Hall playing in DC next year".

Yeah, it just makes too much sense. I don't think Jason Campbell is the answer in Washington. I wasn't impressed with his accuracy AT ALL.

Count Zarth
01-08-2007, 12:33 PM
I don't think Jason Campbell is the answer in Washington. .

That's interesting, because the Redskins do. He's their starter next year.

acesn8s
01-08-2007, 12:34 PM
What is green going to teach croyle? he is as lost as solari when it comes to the offense. The offense is so vast, and solari has no clue how to call it, it might as well be a whole different offense. Also, Green simply does not have good enough personnel to run it effectively any more. there are too many holes at wr\fb\ol to call it the way green likes to run it, so it has changed. There is no way it gets back to where it was by the time he retires so we might as well go with Huard, or Croyle Or draft a QB in the first.
The percentage of first round QBs to actually pan out is very small. Especially when we are talking about the Chiefs.

Easy 6
01-08-2007, 12:36 PM
You simply cannot have a very good D with what we have at DT. That position has to be upgraded.

Everybody knows that, you, me & i'm damn sure the coaches do.

I would imagine that its the primary focus of the off-season.

1 real TRUCKER at DT & this D could shine.

FAX
01-08-2007, 12:37 PM
What is green going to teach croyle? he is as lost as solari when it comes to the offense. The offense is so vast, and solari has no clue how to call it, it might as well be a whole different offense. Also, Green simply does not have good enough personnel to run it effectively any more. there are too many holes at wr\fb\ol to call it the way green likes to run it, so it has changed. There is no way it gets back to where it was by the time he retires so we might as well go with Huard, or Croyle Or draft a QB in the first.


Good point, Mr. bringbackmarty. Trent can't really teach Croyle much at all.

"Okay, Brodie. On first down, you turn to your left and hand the ball to the tailback. OK? Then, on second down, you turn to your right and hand the ball to the tailback. Then, when we pass on third down, be sure and cover the football with both hands."

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Easy 6
01-08-2007, 12:38 PM
Yeah, it just makes too much sense. I don't think Jason Campbell is the answer in Washington. I wasn't impressed with his accuracy AT ALL.

Campbell is Printers version 2.0

His arm has 1 setting.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2007, 12:41 PM
Good point, Mr. bringbackmarty. Trent can't really teach Croyle much at all.

"Okay, Brodie. On first down, you turn to your left and hand the ball to the tailback. OK? Then, on second down, you turn to your right and hand the ball to the tailback. Then, when we pass on third down, be sure and cover the football with both hands."

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ROFL ROFL

FringeNC
01-08-2007, 12:45 PM
That's interesting, because the Redskins do. He's their starter next year.

Okay, Nostradamus. Saban is the coach of the Miami Dolphins, too. How do I know? Because he said so.

acesn8s
01-08-2007, 12:47 PM
Things might have been better for Green and LJ if the two of them would inprove thier play action. Did anybody get fooled once this year on a miss direction or play action?