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KCJohnny
01-11-2007, 06:20 PM
Last game 2005:
Chiefs 37, Bengals 6
Chiefs blow out playoff team at home with balanced offensive explosion

First game of 2006:
Bengals 23, Chiefs 10
Chiefs fold like a cheap wallet at home against a team they crushed in '05

That REALLY alarmed me. I knew something was really different about the offense in that very first game. Yes, the absence of Roaf and Richardson were big. Yes, Trent was knocked out of the game. But the difference between the last game of '05 and the first game of '06, same field, same opponent, most of the same players was night and day. Turns out that game was a good indicator of what the 2006 Chiefs would become.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/32582ndABN/567091736F4649A5A38D3D51EB2F8DD9.jpg

OnTheWarpath58
01-11-2007, 06:22 PM
You're talking about the Home Opener this year, right?

The game where Cincinatti actually played all of their starters?

Got it.

ROYC75
01-11-2007, 06:23 PM
Damn Johnny, yur good. Football 101 ?

rad
01-11-2007, 06:24 PM
Damn.......,,,,

FringeNC
01-11-2007, 06:24 PM
When bothered most about that game, other than losing and the cheap shot on Green, is that Herm was already trying to cover his ass...throwing DV under the bus for supposedly running up the score on them last year. It was like, "in case we lose, blame Dick Vermeil."

Mile High Mania
01-11-2007, 06:25 PM
Wasn't the 2005 game @ KC and the 2006 @ CIN?

I don't recall, but did CIN play everyone in 2005 ... weren't they locked up and ready to go for the playoffs?

OnTheWarpath58
01-11-2007, 06:27 PM
Wasn't the 2005 game @ KC and the 2006 @ CIN?

I don't recall, but did CIN play everyone in 2005 ... weren't they locked up and ready to go for the playoffs?


Both games were in KC, and as I pointed out, they didn't play starters in 2005. Resting for playoffs.

Mecca
01-11-2007, 06:27 PM
I'm sure the games were exactly the same even though Jon Kitna played almost the entire game last year.......uh huh

KCJohnny
01-11-2007, 06:28 PM
Wasn't the 2005 game @ KC and the 2006 @ CIN?

I don't recall, but did CIN play everyone in 2005 ... weren't they locked up and ready to go for the playoffs?

Both games were at Arrowhead. Even with the playoffs locked up, and resting starters, they were completely blown off the field.

Adept Havelock
01-11-2007, 06:28 PM
Wasn't the 2005 game @ KC and the 2006 @ CIN?

I don't recall, but did CIN play everyone in 2005 ... weren't they locked up and ready to go for the playoffs?


Nope, both were here.

Phobia
01-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Wasn't the 2005 game @ KC and the 2006 @ CIN?

I don't recall, but did CIN play everyone in 2005 ... weren't they locked up and ready to go for the playoffs?

They were both in Arrowhead.

The Bengals didn't play their starters all game. This is a horrible example.

ROYC75
01-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Ya see, Johhny was AWOL from the planet and haven't a clue.......

Mecca
01-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Both games were at Arrowhead. Even with the playoffs locked up, and resting starters, they were completely blown off the field.

Generally when all your good players don't play......you lose. The Bengals didn't even try to win that game.

Mile High Mania
01-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Both games were at Arrowhead. Even with the playoffs locked up, and resting starters, they were completely blown off the field.

Ok, so knowing those 2 things... doesn't that sorta make the "blowout" a bit meaningless when comparing to game 1 the next season?

ROYC75
01-11-2007, 06:31 PM
Ok, so knowing those 2 things... doesn't that sorta make the "blowout" a bit meaningless when comparing to game 1 the next season?

Shhhh ..... Johnny is planning his next move.

Easy 6
01-11-2007, 06:31 PM
Man, just look at mighty Eric Hicks wontcha???

An angry LION dragging down a helpless zebra......

Count Alex's Wins
01-11-2007, 06:36 PM
Is there a reason you included a picture of our 2003 game against the Bengals?

FAX
01-11-2007, 06:41 PM
In Mr. KCJohnny's defense, I will say that the 2006 Chiefs came out flat as hell in that game. I've been saying that I've said that as often as I could say I said it.

Not only that but, when Trent got speared by that thug bungle, the entire team should have cleared the bench and strung him up by his nipples.

Those were clear indications that this team had problems.

FAX

TEX
01-11-2007, 06:47 PM
The offense is EXACTLY how I figured it would be the second I found out that Herm had been named coach. I have less faith in his ability to build an offense than I did in Vermeil being able to buid a defense. :shake:

Calcountry
01-11-2007, 06:59 PM
When bothered most about that game, other than losing and the cheap shot on Green, is that Herm was already trying to cover his ass...throwing DV under the bus for supposedly running up the score on them last year. It was like, "in case we lose, blame Dick Vermeil."I found it peculiar, that he was in damage control about his worry for the Cleveland team. All week to the media, "he was worried" about this game.

Its a crock.

KCJohnny
01-11-2007, 07:02 PM
Is there a reason you included a picture of our 2003 game against the Bengals?

OK I changed it. I went to google instead of NFL.com. :drool:

ROYC75
01-11-2007, 07:04 PM
The offense is EXACTLY how I figured it would be the second I found out that Herm had been named coach. I have less faith in his ability to build an offense than I did in Vermeil being able to buid a defense. :shake:

I felt the same way ........ still do.

Phobia
01-11-2007, 07:05 PM
Johnny,

1 Timothy 1:7
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

ROYC75
01-11-2007, 07:06 PM
Johnny,

1 Timothy 1:7
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.


ROFL

FAX
01-11-2007, 07:14 PM
Of course, there is the possibility that conciousness is not really conciousness at all, but a form of heterophenomenology in which enlightenment is a mirage and merely a manifestation of dialectical phenomenology. This would mean, of course, that our soul lacks any continuity of personal identity and, upon death, we merely surrender our current form of psychosomatic unity.

FAX

Count Alex's Wins
01-11-2007, 07:15 PM
Of course, there is the possibility that conciousness is not really conciousness at all, but a form of heterophenomenology in which enlightenment is a mirage and merely a manifestation of dialectical phenomenology. This would mean, of course, that our soul lacks any continuity of personal identity and, upon death, we merely surrender our current form of psychosomatic unity.

FAX

Wanna get high?

FAX
01-11-2007, 07:37 PM
Yet, Descartes may have been onto something with his concept of the "plenum". Perhaps the death process is the exchange of our soul-conciousness with a shared, inter-dimensional absorption medium which, in order to maintain a form of quantum-level supersymmetry, exchanges our soul-energy with new life forms in other locations in the universe which could explain the human concept of things like goblins, purplish rashes on the lower extremities, and fumbleitis.

FAX

88TG88
01-11-2007, 09:26 PM
its the all white unis. they are a sick curse

Fish
01-11-2007, 09:31 PM
Reese PB cup Blizzard... with gummy bears.....

Skip Towne
01-11-2007, 09:37 PM
Yet, Descartes may have been onto something with his concept of the "plenum". Perhaps the death process is the exchange of our soul-conciousness with a shared, inter-dimensional absorption medium which, in order to maintain a form of quantum-level supersymmetry, exchanges our soul-energy with new life forms in other locations in the universe which could explain the human concept of things like goblins, purplish rashes on the lower extremities, and fumbleitis.

FAX
Yeah, that's what I thought too.

dj56dt58
01-11-2007, 10:00 PM
Last game of 05 was the last game of the reg season..Last game of 06 was a playoff game.

FDS
01-11-2007, 10:05 PM
PBJ FirstDownSamie PBJ
Samie got 1 in the first game and two in the second

Mile High Mania
01-11-2007, 10:09 PM
Last game of 05 was the last game of the reg season..Last game of 06 was a playoff game.

Great point...

KCJohnny
01-11-2007, 10:33 PM
Last game of 05 was the last game of the reg season..Last game of 06 was a playoff game.

Completely hollow.

2005: 10-6, ended season with a whoop and holler.

2006: 9-8, ended season with a whimper.

Six months of anticipation/dread/embarrassment follwed both last-games-of-the-season.

dj56dt58
01-12-2007, 12:05 AM
Completely hollow.

2005: 10-6, ended season with a whoop and holler.

2006: 9-8, ended season with a whimper.

Six months of anticipation/dread/embarrassment follwed both last-games-of-the-season.
I know..and I agree...I just like to play devils advocate

KCJohnny
01-12-2007, 12:07 AM
I know..and I agree...I just like to play devils advocate

I think we both deplore the lack of preparation to attack the Colts' weak D. Yuck.

KCChiefsFan88
01-12-2007, 01:16 AM
You should have been alarmed when Herm claimed the Chiefs were "running up the score" vs the Bengals last January because they actually passed the ball more than 5 times in the game and (gasp!) actually passed the ball further than 2 yards downfield and (double gasp!) actually passed the ball on first down.

Those are mortal sins in Herm's world

mcan
01-12-2007, 01:41 AM
I'm sorry, but the Bengals DID start their normal crew, until the second quarter of that game, when ONLY Carson Palmer was pulled from the game. The Chiefs were up at that point 6-3.

Cincinatti continued to play all their starters until late in the 3rd quarter, they decided to pull Rudi Johnson from the game too. The Chiefs were up at that point 30-3.

To start the 4th quarter, a bunch of backups came in for big names like Chad Johnson (who was furious), Justin Smith, Odell Thurman, etc... The Chiefs then proceeded to "run up" one more score to ice the game 37-3.

We beat them soundly that day well before they pulled their guys. I think KC Johnny's point is valid.

Halfcan
01-12-2007, 01:55 AM
Yet, Descartes may have been onto something with his concept of the "plenum". Perhaps the death process is the exchange of our soul-conciousness with a shared, inter-dimensional absorption medium which, in order to maintain a form of quantum-level supersymmetry, exchanges our soul-energy with new life forms in other locations in the universe which could explain the human concept of things like goblins, purplish rashes on the lower extremities, and fumbleitis.

FAX

Even though I don't know wtf you just posted-I feel smarter reading it.

MahiMike
01-12-2007, 07:57 AM
"when we should have known" is when they announced Herm's hiring.

dj56dt58
01-12-2007, 02:19 PM
I think we both deplore the lack of preparation to attack the Colts' weak D. Yuck.
A 5 yr old could have come up with a better gameplan...it was pathetic to say the least. What really bothered me was the lack of adjustments when they knew their original gameplan wasn't working. Great teams can adjust..The Chiefs couldn't....or rather they didn't

ptlyon
01-12-2007, 02:30 PM
I can tell you when I knew. When we kicked a field goal with 11 seconds left in the first half against Denver in the second week.

I knew Herm had totally destroyed the offense at that point.

FringeNC
01-12-2007, 02:30 PM
I think we both deplore the lack of preparation to attack the Colts' weak D. Yuck.

I'm not so sure it was a lack of preparation so much as a lack of brains.

KCJohnny
01-12-2007, 06:38 PM
I'm sorry, but the Bengals DID start their normal crew, until the second quarter of that game, when ONLY Carson Palmer was pulled from the game. The Chiefs were up at that point 6-3.

Cincinatti continued to play all their starters until late in the 3rd quarter, they decided to pull Rudi Johnson from the game too. The Chiefs were up at that point 30-3.

To start the 4th quarter, a bunch of backups came in for big names like Chad Johnson (who was furious), Justin Smith, Odell Thurman, etc... The Chiefs then proceeded to "run up" one more score to ice the game 37-3.

We beat them soundly that day well before they pulled their guys. I think KC Johnny's point is valid.

Cha-ching!
:)
Thanks, McCan! And Kitna had played KC MANY times as Seattle's QB so he was not a major drop off from Palmer. I think McCan makes the point convincingly that we stomped a playoff team at the end of '05 and then folded up when the same 2 teams played on the first game of '06.