This sucks......Hillarys in

[Fairplay]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/20/clinton.announcement/index.html

Hillary Clinton launches White House bid: 'I'm in'


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray as a 2008 presidential candidate with the words "I'm in" posted on her Web site.

"And I'm in to win," she added in a statement, announcing she has set up an exploratory committee that can gauge opinions and raise money for a presidential campaign.

Clinton's announcement comes exactly two years to the day the next president will be inaugurated: January 20, 2009.

The former first lady and Democratic senator from New York is considered her party's front-runner in what has become a diverse Democratic field. (Watch Clinton's offer to chat with voters as she launches her White House campaign )

Should she win, she would be the first woman to serve as president of the United States -- and the first presidential spouse to do so as well. President Bill Clinton served two terms -- from 1993-2001.

On Tuesday, Democrat Sen. Barack Obama announced that he was filing papers to form a presidential exploratory committee, a bid to become the first African-American president. (Full story)

And on Sunday, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, also a Democrat, is expected to announce his bid, one that could make him the first Latino president.

Bringing "the right end" to the war in Iraq, reducing the deficit, making the country energy independent and health care affordable were issues Clinton touted in her announcement, speaking on a video posted on her site.

"After six years of George Bush, it is time to renew the promise of America," she said.

"I grew up in a middle-class family in the middle of America, and we believed in that promise," the 59-year-old native of Chicago said.

"I still do. I've spent my entire life trying to make good on it, whether it was fighting for women's basic rights or children's basic health care, protecting our social security or protecting our soldiers."

In the video, she invited Americans to join her in a three-night series of live video Web chats beginning Monday.

"So let's talk. Let's chat, let's start a dialogue about your ideas and mine, because the conversation in Washington has been just a little one-sided lately, don't you think?"

She'll travel next weekend to Iowa and later to New Hampshire, two kickoff states for the Democratic presidential nominating process in 2008, according to her campaign organizers.

When Clinton launched her Senate bid in New York in 1999, she began a "listening tour" around the state to explore views on education, business and health care issues.

Her Republican opponent, Rick Lazio, called her a "carpetbagger" because she had not previously lived in New York. But she wound up beating him, becoming the first sitting first lady to win an elected office -- and was re-elected last year with 67 percent of the vote, a landslide.

A crowded field

Clinton's announcement puts her in a big Democratic crowd of candidates.

In a statement released Saturday, Obama said, "Senator Clinton is a good friend and a colleague whom I greatly respect. I welcome her and all the candidates, not as competitors, but as allies in the work of getting our country back on track."

In addition to Obama and Richardson, the field also includes former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, the party's 2004 vice presidential nominee, who declared his candidacy late last year; Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, a liberal critic of the war in Iraq; and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack.

Sens. Joe Biden of Delaware and Chris Dodd of Connecticut have also said they will seek the nomination, and other Democrats mentioned as possible candidates include the party's 2004 presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts; retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark, and the Rev. Al Sharpton.

Clinton wants troop cap, is wary of al-Maliki

Clinton, who just returned from a trip to U.S. military facilities in Afghanistan, Iraq and Germany, has urged the Bush administration to return its focus to Afghanistan.

She has proposed a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq and require congressional approval before the president may send more troops.

She has also been highly critical of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, saying Washington should cut off financial support to the Iraqi government unless it shows commitment to stemming the sectarian violence there.

"I don't have any faith," she said of him, when asked by CNN if she had any faith in him.

In 2002, Clinton was among the majority who voted in favor of authorizing Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refused to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

In a 2005 letter to constituents posted on her Senate Web site, she said that she took responsibility for her vote, which she said she made "on the basis of the evidence presented by the administration."

In turn, she said, "I, along with a majority of Americans, expect the president and his administration to take responsibility for the false assurances, faulty evidence and mismanagement of the war."

CNN's John Roberts contributed to this report.

[StcChief]

sHillary/Obama in 2008. sounds like a winner.

[oldandslow]

Agreed.

Count me in the "anyone but Hillary" camp.

[oldandslow]

sHillary/Obama in 2008. sounds like a winner.

Unless Iraq turns that ticket will beat any realistic ticket the repubs put up....and don't give me Rudy - cause he ain't winnin the primary.

[Bowser]

I'm waiting for her best Howard Dean meltdown impersonation.

[oldandslow]

I'm waiting for her best Howard Dean meltdown impersonation.

Hillary is too cold and calculating for that.

BTW, it may seem I am defending her. I am not - I will be voting "other" if she is the top candidate

[Bowser]

Hillary is too cold and calculating for that.

BTW, it may seem I am defending her. I am not - I will be voting "other" if she is the top candidate

Yeah, we'll see.

One thing for sure, this is going to be one of the more lively primaries in a while....

[memyselfI]

Agreed.

Count me in the "anyone but Hillary" camp.

I agree...

but unless it's Chuck Hagel and another very liberal Republican then I'm voting Hillary and holding my nose doing it.

I'm dreaming of an Edwards/Obama ticket but I think Obama is too big for his britches to agree to this. And I don't think he can win. I think Edwards can.

[Sky's Mom]

I'm glad that my daughters are reaching their adulthood in a culture where women feel safe enough to throw their hats into the political ring.

I'm also proud that Sen. Obama has the courage to do the same! :)

[memyselfI]

I'm glad that my daughters are reaching their adulthood in a culture where women feel safe enough to throw their hats into the political ring.

I'm also proud that Sen. Obama has the courage to do the same! :)

Hillary isn't the first woman to run. She is probably the first that stands a chance, albeit remote, to actually win.

[Sky's Mom]

Hillary isn't the first woman to run. She is probably the first that stands a chance, albeit remote, to actually win.

I know that Sen. Clinton isn't the first woman to run for President, but she's the first woman with whom my daughters are familiar to run for this office. PBJ

And please note that I have enough respect for the candidates to refer to them as Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama, respectively.

[memyselfI]

I know that Sen. Clinton isn't the first woman to run for President, but she's the first woman with whom my daughters are familiar to run for this office. PBJ

And please note that I have enough respect for the candidates to refer to them as Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama, respectively.

That's nice. I'm too jaded to show respect even for those I side with...

Granted, the past couple of weeks have been an improvement but I agree with the majority of American people who think Congress sucks.

[BucEyedPea]

Congressman Ron Paul has announced he will run too. He's a libertarian within the Republican party. One of the few to speak out against the Iraq invasion, helped stopped the National ID card and knows that it's mainly the NeoCons in both parties behind this war. The Dems aren't doin' anything different.

I will vote for him and may even work for him since I'm a member of one of his committees.

[Adept Havelock]

I will vote for him and may even work for him since I'm a member of one of his committees.

The Committee of Public Safety? Merde! :p

Seriously, thanks for the info. Didn't know his hat was in the ring.

[memyselfI]

Congressman Ron Paul has announced he will run too. He's a libertarian within the Republican party. One of the few to speak out against the Iraq invasion, helped stopped the National ID card and knows that it's mainly the NeoCons in both parties behind this war. The Dems aren't doin' anything different.

I will vote for him and may even work for him since I'm a member of one of his committees.

That's good for the primaries but once the general election rolls around then, UNFORTUNATELY, you have to throw your hat behind one of the big two or you get a POTUS elected by default. Thank you, you sleezy bastard Ralph Nader.

One wonders how much blood would have been spared had Nader actually cared about the country more than himself.

[BucEyedPea]

The Committee of Public Safety? Merde! :p

Seriously, thanks for the info. Didn't know his hat was in the ring.
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Meme, I know a third party vote is considered a waste by many.
I thought that for a long time too. I'm just tired of voting for someone I have to hold my nose too. If anything, perhaps, it will help raise awareness. I can always change at the last minute too. I voted 3rd party last time, in protest. I voted Dem in the recent Congressionals. And of course, he will not get all his proposals through. But he is the only candidate that is on the side of the American people regarding our foreign interventionism and the current wars. Maybe, just maybe there will be a miracle.

[memyselfI]

Liberty Comittee (http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/)
Not to be confused with the Liberty Lobby, which is right-wing conservative and anti-semitic.


Meme, I know a third party vote is considered a waste by many.
I thought that for a long time too. I'm just tired of voting for someone I have to hold my nose too. If anything, perhaps, it will help raise awareness. I can always change at the last minute too. I voted 3rd party last time, in protest. I voted Dem in the recent Congressionals. And of course, he will not get all his proposals through. But he is the only candidate that is on the side of the American people regarding our foreign interventionism and the current wars. Maybe, just maybe there will be a miracle.

It's a horrible catch .22. The system will not change unless and until a viable third party/candidate can be in place to challenge and strengthen the electoral process. But, while the nation remains so closely divided the very presence of a third party candidate unduly and artificually influences the vote in a way that is not productive because you end up with a president by default...

the very kind you want to avoid by 'holding your nose' and voting.

I don't know the answer to remedy this situation. My husband and I have gone round and round about this with he trying to convince me that participating in a such a ridiculous process simply enables the ridiculous process to continue in the status quo. I tell him it's the LACK OF PARTICIPATION that enables the ridiculous process to continue in the status quo.

All I know is the GWB experiment has cost MANY people their lives and had there not been a third person in the election he likely wouldn't have been in a position to aid in their deaths. Given that reality, there is no way I can support an unelectable third party candidate because someone might pay with their life....

an unintended consequence of my trying to make a point on principle. It sucks but that is exactly what the Ralph Nader folks did to enable GWB the past two elections.

[oldandslow]

Not buying meme...

In 00 Gore lost ARK and TENN. If he sends brother Bill to ARK to campaign, he wins the state and the election. Further, IMO a candidate should be able to win his home state to win an election.

In addition, the reform party was running PB who siphoned votes from Bush.

Nader gave another option - good for him.

Gore lost the 00 election. Not Nader.

In 04, Kerry lost because he was John Kerry and realistically, Nader did not siphone enough votes to matter.

[memyselfI]

Not buying meme...

In 00 Gore lost ARK and TENN. If he sends brother Bill to ARK to campaign, he wins the state and the election. Further, IMO a candidate should be able to win his home state to win an election.

In addition, the reform party was running PB who siphoned votes from Bush.

Nader gave another option - good for him.

Gore lost the 00 election. Not Nader.

In 04, Kerry lost because he was John Kerry and realistically, Nader did not siphone enough votes to matter.

Agreed, Gore won a deeply flawed campaign. Nader was a factor just as Perot was when Clinton was elected. It works both ways and sometimes not for the good...as we've seen with GWB. And not just because it helped to elect a Republican but because it helped to elect such a deceitful and dangerous human being as GWB.

[CHIEF4EVER]

I agree...

but unless it's Chuck Hagel and another very liberal Republican then I'm voting Hillary and holding my nose doing it.

I'm dreaming of an Edwards/Obama ticket but I think Obama is too big for his britches to agree to this. And I don't think he can win. I think Edwards can.

Careful meme. Calling Chucky Boy liberal is likely to get a certain shit stirring fuqtard Donk fan calling you ignorant. LMAO

[memyselfI]

Careful meme. Calling Chucky Boy liberal is likely to get a certain shit stirring fuqtard Donk fan calling you ignorant. LMAO


He's a liberal Republican compared to most of the rest of the RRWNJs who've hijacked the party.

[Cochise]

Edwards can win, he can make crippled people walk again.

[recxjake]

In case anyone didn't know Hillary is running for President of the United States of America.... you might not be able to find any news about her running on the t.v.

[Calcountry]

I agree...

but unless it's Chuck Hagel and another very liberal Republican then I'm voting Hillary and holding my nose doing it.

I'm dreaming of an Edwards/Obama ticket but I think Obama is too big for his britches to agree to this. And I don't think he can win. I think Edwards can.Why am I not surprised that you support Barack Hussein Obama?

[Calcountry]

That's good for the primaries but once the general election rolls around then, UNFORTUNATELY, you have to throw your hat behind one of the big two or you get a POTUS elected by default. Thank you, you sleezy bastard Ralph Nader.

One wonders how much blood would have been spared had Nader actually cared about the country more than himself.It wasn't God's will.

[|Zach|]

Why am I not surprised that you support Barack Hussein Obama?
Some of the shit you post these days is just crazy. What happened to you?

[stevieray]

possiblilty of two families since 88...?

that's pathetic.

I'm sure those who are plotting to destroy us would love to see her win.

[|Zach|]

possiblilty of two families since 88...?

that's pathetic.

I'm sure those who are plotting to destroy us would love to see her win.
I am trying to think of a worse campaign strategy.

Being anti Bush or selling fear.

I guess we will see in '08

[Taco John]

I agree...

but unless it's Chuck Hagel and another very liberal Republican then I'm voting Hillary and holding my nose doing it.

I'm dreaming of an Edwards/Obama ticket but I think Obama is too big for his britches to agree to this. And I don't think he can win. I think Edwards can.



Edwards doesn't stand a chance of the presidency. I think Obama has a better shot than he does.

[|Zach|]

Edwards doesn't stand a chance of the presidency. I think Obama has a better shot than he does.
The guy couldn't even bring his home state to the table in last election.

[Taco John]

The guy couldn't even bring his home state to the table in last election.



Exactly.

I'm sure my own bias comes into play with my viewpoint though.

For my part, Obama is the only democrat I'll vote for, but I'll vote agaisnt him if he plays second fiddle on a ticket. If it's Obama vs. Guliani, Obama wins by the slightest margin. If it's Edwards vs. Guliani, it's Guliani by a mile.

I don't know who the libertarians are going to forward. I'd vote for Hagel if he split from the Republicans for the Libertarians. Both McCain and sHillary are dead to me.

[memyselfI]

The guy couldn't even bring his home state to the table in last election.

Yes, because many people voted to continue supporting DUHbya because we were at war and they believed that to change the CIC so early in the war would be a mistake. He probably won Kerry more votes than Kerry otherwise would had. I know I wasn't a big Kerry fan and many people I knew weren't either. We were in for the party and for Edwards. Edwards should have been at the top of the ticket last time.

[stevieray]

Rich Gannon=John Edwards?

[Taco John]

Yes, because many people voted to continue supporting DUHbya because we were at war and they believed that to change the CIC so early in the war would be a mistake. He probably won Kerry more votes than Kerry otherwise would had. I know I wasn't a big Kerry fan and many people I knew weren't either. We were in for the party and for Edwards. Edwards should have been at the top of the ticket last time.



Edwards is clown shoes who still reeks with the smell of Kerry, and probably always will look weak thanks to all that kissy-kissy crap he got into with Kerry to show what a great couple of buds they were.

He doesn't stand a chance as a presidential candidate. He'll probably make a fine runningmate for either Obama or Hillary.

[Calcountry]

Some of the shit you post these days is just crazy. What happened to you?You mean, you once held me in higher regard?

I am speechless.

Specifically, what is it that bothers you? That I am not towing the PC line? Well I am sick of it. I don't want a Muslim to be President of the United States and I don't give a DAMN what everyone thinks of me for makeing that statement. If you don't like it, then go #### ###.

[memyselfI]

You mean, you once held me in higher regard?

I am speechless.

Specifically, what is it that bothers you? That I am not towing the PC line? Well I am sick of it. I don't want a Muslim to be President of the United States and I don't give a DAMN what everyone thinks of me for makeing that statement. If you don't like it, then go #### ###.

I didn't realize one was running for the office. ROFL ROFL ROFL

[Adept Havelock]

Wow. You learn something new everyday here in DC.

I didn't know that United Church of Christ was a Muslim denomination.

Or failing that, that "Muslim" was an ethnicity.

ROFL

[Taco John]

I don't want a Muslim to be President of the United States and I don't give a DAMN what everyone thinks of me for makeing that statement.



A muslim? What are you talking about? Barack Obama is an Evangelical Protestant.

I'm sure you don't give a damn what anyone thinks of you for making that statement. But at the very least, you should recognise for yourself that you're falling for the sludge that is being slung against him that is scraped right from the bottom of the barrel... hook, line, and sinker.

I'd be willing to bet that Barack Obama has a lot more in common with you than the George W. Bush does.

[CHIEF4EVER]

I don't personally give a rats furry bottom what Obama did as a child. I can't even remember what I did when I was 6 so why should I hold his attending a madrasa as a 6 year old child against him? I want to know what he stands for and against. That is the overriding consideration for me.

[penchief]

I hate it becuase Hillary can't win, IMO. Too many people have an illogical hatred for her. For that reason, I was hoping she would not run. The democrats have to be smart this time.

That said, I think that it is not as crucial to have a democratic president simply because I believe this president has made it necessary for the next president to have a different approach. Whether it be a republican or a democrat I feel that whoever occupies the office will be singing my tune more than they will the tune of George W. Bush, the pretender.

[|Zach|]

You mean, you once held me in higher regard?

I am speechless.

Specifically, what is it that bothers you? That I am not towing the PC line? Well I am sick of it. I don't want a Muslim to be President of the United States and I don't give a DAMN what everyone thinks of me for makeing that statement. If you don't like it, then go #### ###.
I didn't think you would have a problem with people not liking your opinion.

I never thought of you as ignorant though.

Oh well, people that are bat shit crazy get marginalized pretty fast in our system. Best of luck with that.

[Calcountry]

I didn't think you would have a problem with people not liking your opinion.

I never thought of you as ignorant though.

Oh well, people that are bat shit crazy get marginalized pretty fast in our system. Best of luck with that.Hehhehehhhhehhehhhhehhhehhehhe

[Calcountry]

But at the very least, you should recognise for yourself that you're falling for the sludge that is being slung against him that is scraped right from the bottom of the barrel.Vis a vis, you are falling for the mold at the top of the barrel.

[|Zach|]

Bunnytrdr, EBayer and Freeper extraordinaire.

[Logical]

Why am I not surprised that you support Barack Hussein Obama?

I sure get tired of hearing your veiled racist point of view. Grow up.

[|Zach|]

I sure get tired of hearing your veiled racist point of view. Grow up.
Look dude. Obama is going put a Koran in every child's hands in this country...

If you think differently you are just being PC.

Deal with it.

[Logical]

Look dude. Obama is going put a Koran in every child's hands in this country...

If you think differently you are just being PC.

Deal with it.:clap: I love excellent sarcasm