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KCJohnny
01-20-2007, 02:23 PM
The immortal words of 2LT Mark Daily
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Army 2nd Lt. Mark J. Daily, 23A reader e-mails that 2LT Mark Daily was killed (http://www.intel-dump.com/archives/archive_2007_01_14-2007_01_20.shtml#1169150975)in an IED attack in Mosul along with three other soldiers. He was named the ROTC's outstanding cadet for 2005 and also a Distinguished Military Graduate, the highest ROTC award. The OC Register profiles him here (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/homepage/article_1547859.php).This was his MySpace post (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=46348938&MyToken=6b586223-5669-44b2-9fdd-aa8e9fe5c9d1ML) explaining his decision to enter the military. I'm reprinting it in full because it deserves to be read and remembered--and because it will probably only get briefly mentioned or excerpted in most MSM coverage of his death. Read the whole thing:Sunday, October 29, 2006 WHY I JOINED

Current mood: optimisticWhy I Joined:This question has been asked of me so many times in so many different contexts that I thought it would be best if I wrote my reasons for joining the Army on my page for all to see. First, the more accurate question is why I volunteered to go to Iraq. After all, I joined the Army a week after we declared war on Saddam's government with the intention of going to Iraq. Now, after years of training and preparation, I am finally here. Much has changed in the last three years.

The criminal Ba'ath regime has been replaced by an insurgency fueled by Iraq's neighbors who hope to partition Iraq for their own ends. This is coupled with the ever present transnational militant Islamist movement which has seized upon Iraq as the greatest way to kill Americans, along with anyone else they happen to be standing near. What was once a paralyzed state of fear is now the staging ground for one of the largest transformations of power and ideology the Middle East has experienced since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Thanks to Iran, Syria, and other enlightened local actors, this transformation will be plagued by interregional hatred and genocide. And I am now in the center of this. Is this why I joined? Yes.

Much has been said about America's intentions in overthrowing Saddam Hussein and seeking to establish a new state based upon political representation and individual rights. Many have framed the paradigm through which they view the conflict around one-word explanations such as "oil" or "terrorism," favoring the one which best serves their political persuasion. I did the same thing, and anyone who knew me before I joined knows that I am quite aware and at times sympathetic to the arguments against the war in Iraq. If you think the only way a person could bring themselves to volunteer for this war is through sheer desperation or blind obedience then consider me the exception (though there are countless like me).

I joined the fight because it occurred to me that many modern day "humanists" who claim to possess a genuine concern for human beings throughout the world are in fact quite content to allow their fellow "global citizens" to suffer under the most hideous state apparatuses and conditions. Their excuses used to be my excuses. When asked why we shouldn't confront the Ba'ath party, the Taliban or the various other tyrannies throughout this world, my answers would allude to vague notions of cultural tolerance (forcing women to wear a veil and stay indoors is such a quaint cultural tradition), the sanctity of national sovereignty (how eager we internationalists are to throw up borders to defend dictatorships!) or even a creeping suspicion of America's intentions. When all else failed, I would retreat to my fragile moral ecosystem that years of living in peace and liberty had provided me. I would write off war because civilian casualties were guaranteed, or temporary alliances with illiberal forces would be made, or tank fuel was toxic for the environment. My fellow "humanists" and I would relish contently in our self righteous declaration of opposition against all military campaigns against dictatorships, congratulating one another for refusing to taint that aforementioned fragile moral ecosystem that many still cradle with all the revolutionary tenacity of the members of Rage Against the Machine and Greenday. Others would point to America's historical support of Saddam Hussein, sighting it as hypocritical that we would now vilify him as a thug and a tyrant. Upon explaining that we did so to ward off the fiercely Islamist Iran, which was correctly identified as the greater threat at the time, eyes are rolled and hypocrisy is declared. Forgetting that America sided with Stalin to defeat Hitler, who was promptly confronted once the Nazis were destroyed, America's initial engagement with Saddam and other regional actors is identified as the ultimate argument against America's moral crusade. And maybe it is.

Maybe the reality of politics makes all political action inherently crude and immoral. Or maybe it is these adventures in philosophical masturbation that prevent people from ever taking any kind of effective action against men like Saddam Hussein. One thing is for certain, as disagreeable or as confusing as my decision to enter the fray may be, consider what peace vigils against genocide have accomplished lately. Consider that there are 19 year old soldiers from the Midwest who have never touched a college campus or a protest who have done more to uphold the universal legitimacy of representative government and individual rights by placing themselves between Iraqi voting lines and homicidal religious fanatics. Often times it is less about how clean your actions are and more about how pure your intentions are. So that is why I joined. In the time it took for you to read this explanation, innocent people your age have suffered under the crushing misery of tyranny. Every tool of philosophical advancement and communication that we use to develop our opinions about this war are denied to countless human beings on this planet, many of whom live under the regimes that have, in my opinion, been legitimately targeted for destruction. Some have allowed their resentment of the President to stir silent applause for setbacks in Iraq. Others have ironically decried the war because it has tied up our forces and prevented them from confronting criminal regimes in Sudan, Uganda, and elsewhere.

I simply decided that the time for candid discussions of the oppressed was over, and I joined. In digesting this posting, please remember that America's commitment to overthrow Saddam Hussein and his sons existed before the current administration and would exist into our future children's lives had we not acted. Please remember that the problems that plague Iraq today were set in motion centuries ago and were up until now held back by the most cruel of cages. Don't forget that human beings have a responsibility to one another and that Americans will always have a responsibility to the oppressed. Don't overlook the obvious reasons to disagree with the war but don't cheapen the moral aspects either. Assisting a formerly oppressed population in converting their torn society into a plural, democratic one is dangerous and difficult business, especially when being attacked and sabotaged from literally every direction. So if you have anything to say to me at the end of this reading, let it at least include "Good Luck"Mark Daily
On his MySpace front page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=46348938), he featured this quote:"Patience demolishes mountains" -Arab proverbHe wanted to be a journalist. These are the kind and caliber of men who fight for us. Twenty-three years young. God rest his soul. And never, never forget.

oldandslow
01-20-2007, 02:58 PM
May he RIP...

I am very grateful for his service to our nation...

It doesn't, however, change my opposition to this piece of horrible foreign policy one iota.

memyselfI
01-20-2007, 03:05 PM
May he RIP...

I am very grateful for his service to our nation...

It doesn't, however, change my opposition to this piece of horrible foreign policy one iota.

Exactly. I read about how these poor souls trust and sacrifice have been so nonchalantly abused and it makes me ill.

KCJohnny
01-20-2007, 03:17 PM
LT Daily is NOT a victim. He died doing what he believed was right for us. He would not like to be remembered with your pity but with your pride.

|Zach|
01-20-2007, 03:40 PM
May he RIP...

I am very grateful for his service to our nation...

It doesn't, however, change my opposition to this piece of horrible foreign policy one iota.
Indeed.

oldandslow
01-20-2007, 03:45 PM
LT Daily is NOT a victim. He died doing what he believed was right for us. He would not like to be remembered with your pity but with your pride.

Where in my post did I offer pity or call him a victim?

Like you, John, I served my country in war (Vietnam). I don't want any pity or anything else for it.

It doesn't mean I thought it was the correct policy either.

KCJohnny
01-20-2007, 03:57 PM
Where in my post did I offer pity or call him a victim?

Like you, John, I served my country in war (Vietnam). I don't want any pity or anything else for it.

It doesn't mean I thought it was the correct policy either.

I was referring to Denise's post, not yours. Thank you for your service to our nation. You certainly know how a Soldier feels when the public rails against a war you sacrificed to win...

memyselfI
01-20-2007, 03:58 PM
Where in my post did I offer pity or call him a victim?

Like you, John, I served my country in war (Vietnam). I don't want any pity or anything else for it.

It doesn't mean I thought it was the correct policy either.

I think his post was directed at me.

oldandslow
01-20-2007, 04:03 PM
I think his post was directed at me.

My bad.

KCJohnny
01-20-2007, 05:30 PM
Denise, I think your politics smells but I still love ya!
:)

memyselfI
01-20-2007, 05:52 PM
Denise, I think your politics smells but I still love ya!
:)

Thank you, KCJ. I'm so happy you are back stateside. I hope you get to stay for awhile.

penchief
01-20-2007, 09:26 PM
You certainly know how a Soldier feels when the public rails against a war you sacrificed to win...

I personally think you are steering your disillusionment in the wrong direction. IMO, you should be disillusioned by those who would exploit or abuse your purpose as opposed to those who have the opinion that misusing your purpose is counterproductive to the short-term and long-term interests of America.

KCJohnny
01-20-2007, 10:18 PM
I personally think you are steering your disillusionment in the wrong direction. IMO, you should be disillusioned by those who would exploit or abuse your purpose as opposed to those who have the opinion that misusing your purpose is counterproductive to the short-term and long-term interests of America.
And I think you have that exactly inside out. And so do most Soldiers (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2006/12/12/troops-sound-off-in-mosul-with-hannity.html).

penchief
01-20-2007, 10:28 PM
And I think you have that exactly inside out. And so do most Soldiers (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2006/12/12/troops-sound-off-in-mosul-with-hannity.html).

Quit throwing the soldiers in my face. That's a cheap way for you to argue your point, IMO. The fact that you have served in Iraq does not give you an expertise about the decision-making process of the Bush Administration.

I will never criticize your service nor will I ever question your loyalty. I only hope that you will extend me the same courtesy. That said, I do not think that your service makes your opinion any more valid than those who may not have served.

So, if you are going to offer political opinions I think it would be appropriate to discontinue using your service in Iraq to present your opinions as "the truth."

KCJohnny
01-20-2007, 10:57 PM
Not so fast, Penchief. You attempted to say my "disallusionment" (your words, not mine) was aimed in the wrong direction - I AM a Soldier - that's not throwing anything in your face. YOU were the one who brought it up:

you should be disillusioned by those who would exploit or abuse your purpose as opposed to those who have the opinion that misusing your purpose is counterproductive to the short-term and long-term interests of America.
I simply do not share your opinion that Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines are being exploited by our President's administration at all. For God's sake, have you ever stopped to imagine what might be going on if we were NOT fighting terrorists in Iraq? Or the fact that we are chasing al Qaeda all over the globe has resulted in ZERO attacks on American soil since September 11, 2001?????

penchief
01-20-2007, 11:08 PM
Not so fast, Penchief. You attempted to say my "disallusionment" (your words, not mine) was aimed in the wrong direction - I AM a Soldier - that's not throwing anything in your face. YOU were the one who brought it up:


I simply do not share your opinion that Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines are being exploited by our President's administration at all. For God's sake, have you ever stopped to imagine what might be going on if we were NOT fighting terrorists in Iraq? Or the fact that we are chasing al Qaeda all over the globe has resulted in ZERO attacks on American soil since September 11, 2001?????

I respect your opinion. But I would appreciate it if you did not use your service to project your opinion as truth. Which you have attempted to do more than once. In fact, earlier in this thread you presented one of your posts as (in your own words) "the truth."

That's all I'm saying.

And yes, I have considered the fact that we are fighting terrorism. And I happen to think that the president's long term strategy is counterproductive. You are not the only person with "inside information." I don't think it's appropriate for you to use your own experiences as a means to promote your political opinions as "the truth."

patteeu
01-20-2007, 11:09 PM
The success of the Bush administration in disrupting al Qaeda is working against them in some ways. People are growing complacent. It will probably be a self-correcting problem though. I hope we don't lose too many people when the folks who are more concerned about Bush and those evil neocons than about winning the GWoT get their wake-up call.

CRONUS
01-21-2007, 12:38 AM
May he RIP...

I am very grateful for his service to our nation...

It doesn't, however, change my opposition to this piece of horrible foreign policy one iota.Amen you said it well.

stevieray
01-21-2007, 01:20 AM
I respect your opinion. But I would appreciate it if you did not use your service to project your opinion as truth. Which you have attempted to do more than once. In fact, earlier in this thread you presented one of your posts as (in your own words) "the truth."

That's all I'm saying.

And yes, I have considered the fact that we are fighting terrorism. And I happen to think that the president's long term strategy is counterproductive. You are not the only person with "inside information." I don't think it's appropriate for you to use your own experiences as a means to promote your political opinions as "the truth."

do you think you have ever projected your opinion as "the truth?"

KChiefer
01-21-2007, 01:31 AM
RIP 2LT Mark Daily.

Thank You for sharing this KCJohnny.

I respect both your and Daily's belief in the war. I wanted to bring some points of contention to this letter, but I will not. I will not question the beliefs of said deceased. However, I can't help but feel this was posted because of his justifying of the war, rather than soley honoring him. If and when I see letters from the fallen that opposed the war posted, I will stand corrected. I will just say that my beef is with Bush, not the soldiers with comendable ideals and heroic actions. And if we want our country to be driven by a soldier's mindset, we should be a stratocracy, not a democracy.

CRONUS
01-21-2007, 03:22 AM
do you think you have ever projected your opinion as "the truth?"Stevie, who hasn't at one time or another? I don't think that is the point, I think the point is to try to claim it is not disputable due to his service record. Phil has called him on this on the past as have others. Does it give him a unique perspective, perhaps, but no more truth than anyone elses truth.

penchief
01-21-2007, 05:57 AM
do you think you have ever projected your opinion as "the truth?"

I have been outspoken about my beliefs but my military service does not make me any more of an expert on the truth. As if my service or anybody else's is supposed to prove that anyone's opinions ARE the truth.

Certainly, there are some topics in which his service would make him an expert.

KCJohnny
01-21-2007, 08:52 AM
The success of the Bush administration in disrupting al Qaeda is working against them in some ways. People are growing complacent. It will probably be a self-correcting problem though. I hope we don't lose too many people when the folks who are more concerned about Bush and those evil neocons than about winning the GWoT get their wake-up call.
I hope we don't get the chance to find out, but if history is any barometer, the terrorists are waiting until we have an impotent democrat administration like Carter/Clinton and they will exploit that to the fullest.

I am no more an expert on foreign policy than most posters here - and most of us are more clueless about foreign policy than we are about football. If someone says "my service doesn't make me an expert" - OK, but I do believe combat experience in THIS war qualifies one to say what effect your constant carping against the Commander-in-Chief has on the campaign. And its very, very corrosive.

Mr. Kotter
01-21-2007, 09:29 AM
Stevie, who hasn't at one time or another? I don't think that is the point, I think the point is to try to claim it is not disputable due to his service record. Phil has called him on this on the past as have others. Does it give him a unique perspective, perhaps, but no more truth than anyone elses truth.The difference is his truth is rooted in reality, and experience. The truth many others spew here is rooted in nothing more than emotional cowardice, political partisanship, and blissful ignorance.

I agree that he doesn't have a monopoly on the truth. However, his version of what's going on over there is 100 times more credible than anything that's ever come out of the mouth of many ideologically driven critics on this board, or elsewhere, who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

KChiefer
01-21-2007, 05:33 PM
The difference is his truth is rooted in reality, and experience.

While this is valid to support a soldier's beliefs, it can equally validate the mindset of ppl like MLK Jr and Ghandi. However the means they use to create their ends are quite different. I'm not critizing a soldiers methods, but I feel that often their mindset is unless you've picked up a gun, your beliefs are not valid.

Again, I'm not troop bashing, I'm Bush bashing. If soldiers are offended because the public doesn't like Bush, that's not the public's fault. So lets take a look at this:
The truth many others spew here is rooted in nothing more than emotional cowardice, political partisanship, and blissful ignorance.

The Bush Adm
emotional cowardice: Chickenhawk stew anyone?
political partisanship: Check.
blissful ignorance: "The war's doing great." could be a paraphrase.

Watch where you're pointing that thing. Someone may get hit by friendly fire.

CRONUS
01-21-2007, 07:48 PM
The difference is his truth is rooted in reality, and experience. The truth many others spew here is rooted in nothing more than emotional cowardice, political partisanship, and blissful ignorance.

I agree that he doesn't have a monopoly on the truth. However, his version of what's going on over there is 100 times more credible than anything that's ever come out of the mouth of many ideologically driven critics on this board, or elsewhere, who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

You are clearly not paying attention to what John and I are debating. He claimed in a couple of different threads that Democrats are the cause of our losing in Iraq and that pretty much all soldiers feel that way. That Democrarts/Liberals are in essence evil and that he can say this because he is a soldier. Well as you well know that is not a truth or a fact and being a soldier does not make it so.

Mr. Kotter
01-21-2007, 10:27 PM
You are clearly not paying attention to what John and I are debating. He claimed in a couple of different threads that Democrats are the cause of our losing in Iraq and that pretty much all soldiers feel that way. That Democrarts/Liberals are in essence evil and that he can say this because he is a soldier. Well as you well know that is not a truth or a fact and being a soldier does not make it so.
Well, you are half right. Democrats aren't evil--and they aren't the cause of us losing in Iraq.

But Johnny and most soldiers ARE right for feeling that way about liberals, because it is the truth. :)

And FTR, most I've ever talked to do feel that way.

Dave Lane
01-21-2007, 10:40 PM
RIP 2LT Mark Daily.

Thank You for sharing this KCJohnny.

I respect both your and Daily's belief in the war. I wanted to bring some points of contention to this letter, but I will not. I will not question the beliefs of said deceased. However, I can't help but feel this was posted because of his justifying of the war, rather than soley honoring him. If and when I see letters from the fallen that opposed the war posted, I will stand corrected. I will just say that my beef is with Bush, not the soldiers with comendable ideals and heroic actions. And if we want our country to be driven by a soldier's mindset, we should be a stratocracy, not a democracy.


Hmmm maybe I should do a in my own words why I turned down a Captains commission in the National Guard and why it was the smartest decision I ever made.

I'm glad for those who are willing to join the armed forces and risk life and limb. Maybe coming from a different era / time when people were spitting on the returning soldiers from Vietnam still colors my opinions. Or friends / relatives fleeing to Canada to avoid serving.

Dave

SBK
01-21-2007, 11:56 PM
I can't believe that anyone in here would question a soldier. He's infallable. You can't question him! How dare you??! (well, if he's giving support to a liberal argument anyway).......

patteeu
01-22-2007, 10:07 AM
While this is valid to support a soldier's beliefs, it can equally validate the mindset of ppl like MLK Jr and Ghandi. However the means they use to create their ends are quite different. I'm not critizing a soldiers methods, but I feel that often their mindset is unless you've picked up a gun, your beliefs are not valid.

Again, I'm not troop bashing, I'm Bush bashing. If soldiers are offended because the public doesn't like Bush, that's not the public's fault. So lets take a look at this:


The Bush Adm
emotional cowardice: Chickenhawk stew anyone?
political partisanship: Check.
blissful ignorance: "The war's doing great." could be a paraphrase.

Watch where you're pointing that thing. Someone may get hit by friendly fire.

Chickenhawk stew? Bush served. Rumsfeld served. Powell served. Of the original big 4, Only Cheney didn't serve and he'd at least been SecDef during a war that is celebrated as a success by almost everyone.

banyon
01-22-2007, 10:11 AM
Nobody thinks Powell is one of the Chickenhawks.

His candor and credibility were probably the tipping point toward invasion, IMO.

That's why Powell referred to the other three you mentioned as the "f***ing crazies".

patteeu
01-22-2007, 10:41 AM
Nobody thinks Powell is one of the Chickenhawks.

His candor and credibility were probably the tipping point toward invasion, IMO.

That's why Powell referred to the other three you mentioned as the "f***ing crazies".

No Clinton supporter should have anything to say about Chickenhawks. And the charge that the Bush administration has more than it's share of people who didn't serve in the military is ridiculous. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gates, Powell, and Rice compare pretty favorably with Clinton, Gore, Aspin, Perry, Cohen, Christopher, and Albright in terms of military service, IMO.

banyon
01-22-2007, 10:45 AM
No Clinton supporter should have anything to say about Chickenhawks. And the charge that the Bush administration has more than it's share of people who didn't serve in the military is ridiculous. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gates, Powell, and Rice compare pretty favorably with Clinton, Gore, Aspin, Perry, Cohen, Christopher, and Albright in terms of military service, IMO.

I beg your pardon?

patteeu
01-22-2007, 11:00 AM
I beg your pardon?

I'm making an assumption that KChiefer is a Clinton supporter to one degree or another. Don't worry, I know you are free of that particular sin. ;)

banyon
01-22-2007, 11:05 AM
I'm making an assumption that KChiefer is a Clinton supporter to one degree or another. Don't worry, I know you are free of that particular sin. ;)

Whew. Didn't want to have to search for those posts. :)

KCJohnny
01-22-2007, 01:39 PM
Hmmm maybe I should do a in my own words why I turned down a Captains commission in the National Guard and why it was the smartest decision I ever made.

Dave

Yes, thanks.