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John_Locke
01-21-2007, 03:38 PM
suprised the whole family.

our Big Projection screen bit the dust, and I brought the 27 inch to the living room and told the family that they woudl have to be satisfied with this for now becasue there jsut wasn't money in the budget for a new TV.

They handled it like troopers and I went to the tv store and got a 50 inch plasma



betting I don't get "aftershave" for valentines day :)
Dad got hosed
(from the verizon network commercial)

Buck
01-21-2007, 03:38 PM
PLASMA? Dude, your screwed, you'll need a new TV in 3 years.

Silock
01-21-2007, 03:42 PM
Good kill! What'd you get?

Plasma FTW.

John_Locke
01-21-2007, 03:45 PM
I don't think so...


got em to throw in the long term warranty for free


Key Benefits:The new W5001C features a 16:9 image aspect ratios and at the same time provides High Definition with 1366 x 768 lines of resolution.
Low total cost of ownership as the remote control, RF Coaxial Cable (Antenna), Component Cable and Audio RCA Cable are ALL INCLUDED
Two tuners included (analog NTSC & combo analog/digital, NTSC & ATSC)
With 1100 nits typical brightness, the W5001C is highly viewable even in well-lit rooms
Incredible Audio: Features SRSŪ TruSurroundTM - Virtual Surround sound that transforms television audio into a stunning surround sound experience with two speakers
With an average plasma display panel life of 60,000 hours1, you will be enjoying your Dell Plasma TV for years to come.
Flexible Design - Either you can Mount the TV on the wall2 or fit it on to a tabletop
Detachable speakers - you can remove speakers and place them according to your home theater environment to give you the best sounding position and optimal viewing angle
High Contrast Ratio (8000:1) gives you great color detail and deep blacks displayed with each image.
You can enjoy high picture clarity with bright images - even in a well-lit room or near windows



Performance:Super High 8000:1 contrast ratio
Two detachable speakers, with removable stands, deliver a total 40 watts to provide a cinematic audio experience
Multiple viewing choices are easily supported with dual tuners and PIP, POP, and PbP
The High-Definition wide aspect ratio screen is ideal for TV, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, DVD and video applications, or gaming.



Reliability:Under the unique Dell HALT regimen, (Highly Accelerated Life Testing) Dell Plasma TVs are pushed well past specified tolerance limits for heat, cold, vibration, shocks and drops to ensure that they are more-than-durable enough for real-world conditions
The W5001C has an estimated lifespan of 60,000 hours1
1 year limited warranty33 with On-site Exchange Service4 is INCLUDED -with options to purchase a limited warranty33 of up to 5 years or CompleteCare5TM Accidental Damage Service6

John_Locke
01-21-2007, 03:49 PM
The mall has a Dell Store and I got 3 different deals for going there and not ordering it on line from my home.


kind of crazy

Fairplay
01-21-2007, 03:52 PM
PLASMA? Dude, your screwed, you'll need a new TV in 3 years.



News update, the technology in Plasmas have been a lot better the last couple years where it doesn't do that anymore.

Buck
01-21-2007, 03:55 PM
News update, the technology in Plasmas have been a lot better the last couple years where it doesn't do that anymore.

Science update. Any compressed gas will find its way out in order to find its most stable environment, No matter what they do, the gas in those TVs will still find its way out.

Fairplay
01-21-2007, 03:57 PM
Science update. Any compressed gas will find its way out in order to find its most stable environment, No matter what they do, the gas in those TVs will still find its way out.



News Flash!!

The picture will last more then 15 years on normal tv viewing.

Not 3 years.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 04:02 PM
News Flash!!

The picture will last more then 15 years on normal tv viewing.

Not 3 years.

News flash, after 2000 hours the brightness on a plasma display will begin to lose it's brightness at a very high rate, and you wont' get any warranty replacement unless 10% of your pixels are shot.

UteChief
01-21-2007, 04:05 PM
News flash, after 2000 hours the brightness on a plasma display will begin to lose it's brightness at a very high rate, and you wont' get any warranty replacement unless 10% of your pixels are shot.

And what are your thoughts on LCD tvs?

Silock
01-21-2007, 04:08 PM
News flash, after 2000 hours the brightness on a plasma display will begin to lose it's brightness at a very high rate, and you wont' get any warranty replacement unless 10% of your pixels are shot.

LCDs lose brightness, too.

Buck
01-21-2007, 04:12 PM
Front projection is the way to go, if you can find a nice screen.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 04:15 PM
LCDs lose brightness, too.

And it's a hell of a lot cheaper to replace an LCD backlight than it is fixing plasma gas leakage + a backlight.

LCD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plasma.

Buck
01-21-2007, 04:16 PM
And it's a hell of a lot cheaper to replace an LCD backlight than it is fixing plasma gas leakage + a backlight.

LCD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plasma.

Word. I heard DLPs are really good too. Its the mirrors.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 04:19 PM
In 10 years, most people will probably be using SED TVs over most formats anyway...it offers you the color richness and response times of CRTs with the form factor of LCDs

Buck
01-21-2007, 04:21 PM
I have a CRT HDTV, and its pretty bulky, but I have room for it, and its really nice and I havent had any problems with it.

KCBOSS1
01-21-2007, 04:22 PM
I bought a 46 inch DLP....found the absolute best buy at buydig.com. I didnt trust the Plasma thing either.

Silock
01-21-2007, 04:25 PM
And it's a hell of a lot cheaper to replace an LCD backlight than it is fixing plasma gas leakage + a backlight.

LCD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plasma.

Which is offset by the much higher initial cost of ownership for LCDs 40"+ in size.

It all depends on your preference. Personally, I much prefer the picture and display of a plasma to an LCD any day of the week. And yeah, it's worth it to me to replace them in 5-7 years, just like I have done with other TVs I've owned in the past.

John_Locke
01-21-2007, 04:27 PM
my thoughts...our other big screen projection lasted 5 years

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 04:33 PM
Which is offset by the much higher initial cost of ownership for LCDs 40"+ in size.

It all depends on your preference. Personally, I much prefer the picture and display of a plasma to an LCD any day of the week. And yeah, it's worth it to me to replace them in 5-7 years, just like I have done with other TVs I've owned in the past.

If you are going over 40", at this point, you should probably go with an LCoS...You can get a Sony SXRD 50" for 2 Grand that has full 1080p (and I personally don't like Sony, but this is a great TV).

Valiant
01-21-2007, 04:36 PM
Bought a 65" mitsubishi dlp for the parents... Best picture for the money..

The main reason why I would not buy a plasma is the resolution for highdef they are all 720, I am not paying that much for a tv that is not 1080..

Lcd's are nice and cheaper but the pictures are not as bright as plasma even though you do get 1080..

So DLP, best of both worlds.. 1080 and cheaper then both.. Not really wall mountable but I do not care about a tv on a wall and running the cables thru the wall to make it look halfway clean...

Silock
01-21-2007, 04:37 PM
SXRDs are fantastic TVs.

Brock
01-21-2007, 05:04 PM
The main reason why I would not buy a plasma is the resolution for highdef they are all 720, I am not paying that much for a tv that is not 1080..

I don't think this is correct....

Joe Seahawk
01-21-2007, 05:07 PM
If you are going over 40", at this point, you should probably go with an LCoS...You can get a Sony SXRD 50" for 2 Grand that has full 1080p (and I personally don't like Sony, but this is a great TV).

I bought one of these in April the picture is frikkin unbelievable, but I already had to have a light engine replaced under warranty..

type "sony green blob" into google That is what happened to me.. The picture is truly stunning tho..

John_Locke
01-21-2007, 05:10 PM
Key Benefits:The new W5001C features a 16:9 image aspect ratios and at the same time provides High Definition with 1366 x 768 lines of resolution.

Fairplay
01-21-2007, 05:17 PM
So what do you think of the picture Locke? Outstanding i would imagine.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 05:18 PM
I bought one of these in April the picture is frikkin unbelievable, but I already had to have a light engine replaced under warranty..

type "sony green blob" into google That is what happened to me.. The picture is truly stunning tho..

Hmmm...can't say I'm really surprised. It is a sony product :shake:...I'd probably just wait until more companies produce the LCoS...Syntax-Brillian (Olevia) should have one out soon...

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 05:18 PM
Key Benefits:The new W5001C features a 16:9 image aspect ratios and at the same time provides High Definition with 1366 x 768 lines of resolution.

So it's a Widescreen TV with 720 P...

Dallas Chief
01-21-2007, 05:24 PM
I don't think this is correct....
It isn't correct. Most flat panel formats are able to achieve both 1080i or 1080p resolutions. People say there is a distinct difference visually between the two but I can't tell. For the most part if a the specs say 720p, the set will also be capable of 1080i. Both are coinsidered to be HD.

John_Locke
01-21-2007, 05:29 PM
So what do you think of the picture Locke? Outstanding i would imagine.


I thought it was fantastic.
I made the kid show several different movie trailers to see the color and such. It was pretty amazing. AND...it has a feature that lets me view the center square as the main channel (chiefs) and 9 surrounding smaller PIP (nfl package) all at the same time :)


We do not actually have it yet. It will come this week. Wife is currently cleaning the family room and re-arranging the furniture and pictures on the wall!

we should have it by friday

Dallas Chief
01-21-2007, 05:29 PM
Hmmm...can't say I'm really surprised. It is a sony product :shake:...I'd probably just wait until more companies produce the LCoS...Syntax-Brillian (Olevia) should have one out soon...
So why all the Sony hating from you? Just curious...

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 05:36 PM
So why all the Sony hating from you? Just curious...

They make inferior products relative to their prices....

Their TVs are but one example...you generally pay 40% more for a PQ equal to or lesser than a Samsung.

Google "Sony mura effect" if you'd like....and this was a problem on their FLAGSHIP television....

Their A/V receivers are shitty as well, and the company is incredibly arrogant about their product....no recording on the Betamax, shutting out pr0n producers on Beta and now Blu-Ray...they think that b/c they are Sony that they can do whatever they'd like.

The playstation is a good product, but pretty much everything I've seen Sony, from DVD players to Car CD Players to HT Speakers are just shitty in relation to their price.

They are the Abercrombie of consumer electronics.

ChiefaRoo
01-21-2007, 05:46 PM
News Flash!..... umm, nevermind

epitome1170
01-21-2007, 05:54 PM
I have been considering getting a big screen the last few weeks and have pretty much narrowed my search down to 3 tvs: Samsung HL S5687W (DLP), Sony KDS 55A2000, or the Mitsubishi WD 57731.

Does anyone have any first hand knowledge with these? Or any advice on which one would be best for me? All of them are comparable in price ($2000) and size (55") and they all have the 1080 resolution.

Miles
01-21-2007, 06:09 PM
Their TVs are but one example...you generally pay 40% more for a PQ equal to or lesser than a Samsung.

Google "Sony mura effect" if you'd like....and this was a problem on their FLAGSHIP television....


The Samsung 1080p LCD's have the same problems.

In general I would tend to agree with you about Sony being overpriced. However, the ES line of A/V components and the XBR line of TVs are typically very solid.

Skip Towne
01-21-2007, 06:15 PM
Their A/V receivers are shitty as well, and the company is incredibly arrogant about their product....no recording on the Betamax, shutting out pr0n producers on Beta and now Blu-Ray...they think that b/c they are Sony that they can do whatever they'd like.



They are the Abercrombie of consumer electronics.
Absolutely right. They completely ignore industry standards. As much as Directv and Dis Notwork hate each other they agreed on the size of the mounting pole. Not Sony, though, they made theirs smaller. And LNB's cost around $25 for D* and E*. $125 for Sony and they were unreliable. Dealers wouldn't stock them because of the price. When we find a bad Sony LNB we not only have to change the whole dish but the pole as well. I would never buy Sony because of these practices.

Dallas Chief
01-21-2007, 09:27 PM
They make inferior products relative to their prices....

Their TVs are but one example...you generally pay 40% more for a PQ equal to or lesser than a Samsung.

Google "Sony mura effect" if you'd like....and this was a problem on their FLAGSHIP television....

Their A/V receivers are shitty as well, and the company is incredibly arrogant about their product....no recording on the Betamax, shutting out pr0n producers on Beta and now Blu-Ray...they think that b/c they are Sony that they can do whatever they'd like.

The playstation is a good product, but pretty much everything I've seen Sony, from DVD players to Car CD Players to HT Speakers are just shitty in relation to their price.

They are the Abercrombie of consumer electronics.
Have you had a bad experience with them before or have you always refused to pay their prices?

Dallas Chief
01-21-2007, 09:33 PM
They make inferior products relative to their prices....


Their A/V receivers are shitty as well, and the company is incredibly arrogant about their product....

Some people disagree. I think is was Home Theatre Mag that named the new 5200 ES receiver the "New Boss". Maybe it was Sterophile? I forget. I left the issue on my desk.

Dallas Chief
01-21-2007, 09:35 PM
Absolutely right. They completely ignore industry standards. As much as Directv and Dis Notwork hate each other they agreed on the size of the mounting pole. Not Sony, though, they made theirs smaller. And LNB's cost around $25 for D* and E*. $125 for Sony and they were unreliable. Dealers wouldn't stock them because of the price. When we find a bad Sony LNB we not only have to change the whole dish but the pole as well. I would never buy Sony because of these practices.
It's a good thing we got out of that business then. Lost money hand over fist, even charging crazy prices for LNB's and whatnot.

Iowanian
01-21-2007, 09:44 PM
Somewhere, the owner of one of those predatory Payday loan shops is eating well tonight.

I think you should have just given the money to help the cheerleaders get new skorts, and stayed with the perfectly fine 27".

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 11:45 PM
Some people disagree. I think is was Home Theatre Mag that named the new 5200 ES receiver the "New Boss". Maybe it was Sterophile? I forget. I left the issue on my desk.

You take that, and I'll take an Onkyo TX-NR1000 that will whip it's ass 8 out of 7 days a week.

Sony is a lot like Bose...they pay a lot for advertising in said pub's and b/c of that, they get repped beyond the true quality of their product. If their products get bashed, they pull their ad $

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 11:47 PM
Have you had a bad experience with them before or have you always refused to pay their prices?

I've sold Sony products before that were shit (like their A/V receivers whose power they vastly overrate). I've bought shit Sony products (a CD player that blew a PC board after 6 months and couldn't get fixed after 3 trips to the repair shop, a Discman that never worked worth a damn)

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 11:48 PM
The Samsung 1080p LCD's have the same problems.

In general I would tend to agree with you about Sony being overpriced. However, the ES line of A/V components and the XBR line of TVs are typically very solid.

Given the XBR's and the mura effect...a 3400 TV should have far fewer probs than a 2500 dollar TV of equal size, but they've actually had more. Check out AVS Forum or HDTV Voice for confirmation.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-21-2007, 11:50 PM
I have been considering getting a big screen the last few weeks and have pretty much narrowed my search down to 3 tvs: Samsung HL S5687W (DLP), Sony KDS 55A2000, or the Mitsubishi WD 57731.

Does anyone have any first hand knowledge with these? Or any advice on which one would be best for me? All of them are comparable in price ($2000) and size (55") and they all have the 1080 resolution.

One of my best friends has the Samsung...it's a great TV. Plenty bright even when off torch mode. Mits makes a great TV too, so it would be hard to argue them as well.

ChiefFan31
01-22-2007, 03:51 AM
If you are going over 40", at this point, you should probably go with an LCoS...You can get a Sony SXRD 50" for 2 Grand that has full 1080p (and I personally don't like Sony, but this is a great TV).

:D

The TV you described above I have. I have no complaints.

I also agree, anything 40" and under LCD all the way. They will get bigger and cheaper just as Plasmas will be going the way of the Do-Do bird. Plasma is an outdated technology, for reasons already covered in this thread. They sure do look good for the first couple of years though.

ChiefFan31
01-22-2007, 04:01 AM
In general I would tend to agree with you about Sony being overpriced. However, the ES line of A/V components and the XBR line of TVs are typically very solid.

Yep, the XBR's and the Sony ES line of receivers are pretty good. But I wholeheartedly agree about Sony's ego and I don't agree with the way they do things. A lot of their stuff is overpriced junk IMO.

The Sony Trinitron, however, is a rock solid monitor (pre-HD days) I had a 32" vertical flat for years and my folks had the 36" model. Great picture and long lasting.

ChiefFan31
01-22-2007, 04:04 AM
You take that, and I'll take an Onkyo TX-NR1000 that will whip it's ass 8 out of 7 days a week.

Sony is a lot like Bose...they pay a lot for advertising in said pub's and b/c of that, they get repped beyond the true quality of their product. If their products get bashed, they pull their ad $

Ouch. That is pushing it. All Bose is, is a well marketed piece of shit.

At least Sony does have some good products, unlike Bose.

Silock
01-22-2007, 06:17 AM
It isn't correct. Most flat panel formats are able to achieve both 1080i or 1080p resolutions. People say there is a distinct difference visually between the two but I can't tell. For the most part if a the specs say 720p, the set will also be capable of 1080i. Both are coinsidered to be HD.

That's because they are displaying in 1080p in both cases, but the source material may not be 1080p.

htismaqe
01-22-2007, 06:26 AM
And it's a hell of a lot cheaper to replace an LCD backlight than it is fixing plasma gas leakage + a backlight.

LCD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plasma.

I want to know if this is serious. This sounds like fanboy scare tactics to me.

I just about bought a new Samsung 50" plasma over the weekend.

I'm sick and tired of the maintenance on my Toshiba RPT. ISF calibration costs me over $300 each time (all RPT's have to be calibrated once a year, don't know about DLP), the convergence is always slightly off, and the geometry problems are annoying. I want a TV that doesn't always have to be tweaked, ie. non-MECHANICAL.

I need a 50", so right off the bat, LCD's are cost-prohibitive. And I play alot of video games, so response times are an issue for me.

Skip Towne
01-22-2007, 06:27 AM
It's a good thing we got out of that business then. Lost money hand over fist, even charging crazy prices for LNB's and whatnot.
I didn't know you were still around. We went over this once before didn't we?

God of Thunder
01-22-2007, 06:58 AM
congrats on the purchase!

crazycoffey
01-22-2007, 07:10 AM
SOOOOOOO

does this mean you are hosting a SB party????

Al Bundy
01-22-2007, 08:19 AM
This is where I had alot of my HD questions answered (http://www.avsforum.com/)

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 08:24 AM
I want to know if this is serious. This sounds like fanboy scare tactics to me.

I just about bought a new Samsung 50" plasma over the weekend.

I'm sick and tired of the maintenance on my Toshiba RPT. ISF calibration costs me over $300 each time (all RPT's have to be calibrated once a year, don't know about DLP), the convergence is always slightly off, and the geometry problems are annoying. I want a TV that doesn't always have to be tweaked, ie. non-MECHANICAL.

I need a 50", so right off the bat, LCD's are cost-prohibitive. And I play alot of video games, so response times are an issue for me.

Response times don't matter with current LCDs, which will give you 8ms...which will be completely imperceptible (your fear of this also reeks of fanboy-dom)

Why would you pay for ISF calibration? Just buy Avia guide to home theater for 30 bucks, look up the service code for the model on the net, and do it it yourself.

If you are going w/ 50" though, I think you would be wise to either go w/ an LCoS TV, wait about 6 months for LCD prices to drop some more, or buy a Samsung DLP and calibrate it correctly.

htismaqe
01-22-2007, 09:34 AM
Response times don't matter with current LCDs, which will give you 8ms...which will be completely imperceptible (your fear of this also reeks of fanboy-dom)

Why would you pay for ISF calibration? Just buy Avia guide to home theater for 30 bucks, look up the service code for the model on the net, and do it it yourself.

If you are going w/ 50" though, I think you would be wise to either go w/ an LCoS TV, wait about 6 months for LCD prices to drop some more, or buy a Samsung DLP and calibrate it correctly.

My fear about response times comes from personal experience with LCD monitors and games. It's a legitimate concern from my experience, although I don't have experience with newer LCD screens.

On ISF calibration:

1) I'm very tired of calibrating the set myself. I don't have the time or ambition to deal with it.

2) I have Avia, I use it. It is NOT the same as an ISF calibration, particularly when it comes to anything more than 9-point convergence and geometry adjustments.

What is LCoS? I'll probably wait for LCD if given my druthers...

Redrum_69
01-22-2007, 09:35 AM
DLP FTW!!!

Dallas Chief
01-22-2007, 09:46 AM
I didn't know you were still around. We went over this once before didn't we?
Why yes we have gone over this before. Sometimes there aren't logical answers to why a company chooses a certain path. The only thing I could determine was that it was a cost saving measure. Less material= lower cost, or they got a great deal from a third party. Who knows???

Dallas Chief
01-22-2007, 09:50 AM
That's because they are displaying in 1080p in both cases, but the source material may not be 1080p.
Let me clarify, I meant both formats- Plasma and LCD are able to achieve both 1080i and 1080p. That being said, not all models are able to achieve 1080p. In my experience, when I look at a 1080p side by side with a 1080i unit, I can't see the difference, even when the 1080p unit was being driven by Blu-ray. There may be a difference but to me it does not equal the additional cost.

Dallas Chief
01-22-2007, 09:54 AM
I want to know if this is serious. This sounds like fanboy scare tactics to me.

I just about bought a new Samsung 50" plasma over the weekend.

I'm sick and tired of the maintenance on my Toshiba RPT. ISF calibration costs me over $300 each time (all RPT's have to be calibrated once a year, don't know about DLP), the convergence is always slightly off, and the geometry problems are annoying. I want a TV that doesn't always have to be tweaked, ie. non-MECHANICAL.

I need a 50", so right off the bat, LCD's are cost-prohibitive. And I play alot of video games, so response times are an issue for me.
All fanboy tactics aside, I would scour the warehouse clubs if I were in the market for a new set right now. There is a small price war going on right now in both DLP vs. LCD-PJ/SXRD, and plasma vs. LCD. It will get even better for the consumer in 2007. The product is infinitely better as is the pricing.

Stewie
01-22-2007, 10:03 AM
suprised the whole family.

our Big Projection screen bit the dust, and I brought the 27 inch to the living room and told the family that they woudl have to be satisfied with this for now becasue there jsut wasn't money in the budget for a new TV.

They handled it like troopers and I went to the tv store and got a 50 inch plasma



betting I don't get "aftershave" for valentines day :)
Dad got hosed
(from the verizon network commercial)

You'll love your plasma. I have a 42" that has an unbelievable picture.

As far as 720p vs. 1080i vs. 1080p - you're paying a premium for a small improvement unless your screen is over 50". I can put my nose on my 720p plasma screen when playing from a high-def source and can't see any flaws.

Oh, and another thing. You should invest in a good surge protector/line conditioner. You can get good ones for around $30.

htismaqe
01-22-2007, 10:07 AM
All fanboy tactics aside, I would scour the warehouse clubs if I were in the market for a new set right now. There is a small price war going on right now in both DLP vs. LCD-PJ/SXRD, and plasma vs. LCD. It will get even better for the consumer in 2007. The product is infinitely better as is the pricing.

Just got a Sam's Club membership. How convenient.

svuba
01-22-2007, 12:49 PM
:D

The TV you described above I have. I have no complaints.

I also agree, anything 40" and under LCD all the way. They will get bigger and cheaper just as Plasmas will be going the way of the Do-Do bird. Plasma is an outdated technology, for reasons already covered in this thread. They sure do look good for the first couple of years though.


I don't understand all the plasma hatred. just don't get it.
People spread misinformation about plasma because they have some love affair with LCD?

How about checking a few fact before posting nonsense? Is that too much to ask?



1. Plasma and LCD technology - what's the difference?
Plasma and LCD panels may look similar, but the flat screen and thin profile is where the similarities end. Plasma screens, as its name suggests, uses a matrix of tiny gas plasma cells charged by precise electrical voltages to create a picture. LCD screens (liquid crystal display) are in layman's terms sandwiches made up of liquid crystal pushed in the space between two glass plates. Images are created by varying the amount electrical charge applied to the crystals. Each technology has its strengths and weaknesses, as you'll read below.


2. Is there a difference in picture quality between plasma and LCD screens and normal CRT TVs?
It's not what's happening behind the screen that's important - it's how the screen performs as a television that matters the most. In that regard, both plasma and LCD sets produce excellent pictures, although many home entertainment specialists and gamers still say CRTs produce the best overall images (although plasmas and LCD sets are quickly catching up in terms of quality).


Those same home entertainment specialists will tell you that for basic home theatre-like usage, plasma screens have a slight edge over LCDs. This is because plasma screens can display blacks more accurately than LCDs can, which means better contrast and detail in dark-coloured television or movie scenes. The nature of LCD technology, where a backlight shines through the LCD layer, means it's hard for it to achieve true blacks because there's always some light leakage from between pixels. This is steadily improving with every new generation of LCD, however.

3. What advantages does plasma have over LCD?
Apart from better contrast due to its ability to show deeper blacks, plasma screens typically have better viewing angles than LCD. Viewing angles are how far you can sit on either side of a screen before the picture's quality is affected. You tend to see some brightness and colour shift when you're on too far of an angle with LCDs, while a plasma's picture remains fairly solid. This is steadily changing, however, with more and more LCDs entering the market with viewing angles equal to or greater than some plasmas. Plasmas can also produce a brighter colour, once again due to light leakage on an LCD affecting its colour saturation.


Plasma pundits will also tell you that some LCD screens have a tendency to blur images, particularly during fast moving scenes in movies or in sports. While that was true for older generation LCD screens, newer models have improved significantly - so much so that the differences in performance between LCDs and plasmas in this regard is almost negligible (here's a tip -- if you're shopping for LCDs, check the refresh rate. The lower it is, the better the image quality in fast moving scenes).

Perhaps the biggest advantage plasmas have now over their LCD cousins is price, particularly in the large screen end of the market. Plasmas typically come in larger sizes than LCDs at a cheaper price. Plasmas being sold in Australia generally run between 42-inches and 63-inches wide, with the cheapest 42-inch selling for approximately AU$3,000 (although you can expect to find sets cheaper than AU$3,000 in real world prices). 60-inch and above plasmas can go for as much as $20,000. LCDs, on the other hand, top out around the mid 40-inch mark, and are more expensive than similar-sized plasmas. Sharp's high end 45-inch LC45G1XSYS LCD, for example, retails for AU$8,999, while Pioneer's top of the line 43-inch PDP-436HD plasma goes for AU$5,999.

4. What advantages does LCD have over plasma?
It's not all doom and gloom for LCD though, as it has the edge over plasma in several key areas. LCDs tend to have higher native resolution than plasmas of similar size, which means more pixels on a screen. If you're a true high-def junkie who's keen to see every pixel of a high-res 1080i/p image reproduced pixel-by-pixel (providing you have a source that high, of course), then LCDs are the way to go.


LCDs also tend to consume less power than plasma screens, with some estimates ranging that power saving at up to 30 per cent less than plasma. LCDs are also generally lighter than similar sized plasmas, making it easier to move around or wall mount.


LCD pundits also point to the fact that LCDs have a longer lifespan than plasma screens. This was true of earlier plasma models, which would lose half of their brightness after more than 20,000 hours of viewing. Later plasma generations have bumped that up to anything between 30,000 and 60,000 hours. LCDs, on the other hand, are guaranteed for 60,000 hours.

You might have also heard that plasmas suffer from screen burn in, an affliction not as commonly associated with LCDs. Screen burn in occurs when an image is left too long on a screen, resulting in a ghost of that image burned in permanently. Newer plasmas are less susceptible to this thanks to improved technology and other features such built-in screen savers, but we still hear anecdotal reports here of burn-in with new plasmas.


5. Which is better value for me right now: plasma or LCD?
If you're in the market for a big screen television -- and we're talking 42-inches and above -- then we'd suggest plasma as a safe bet. Plasmas give you more bang for your buck at the big end of town, and while LCDs can give you better resolution, the price difference is currently too wide. However, if money's not an issue and you want the sharpest image in town, then a large LCD is for you. At the smaller end of things (15" to 36" TVs), LCD is the only way to go if you want something slim and tasteful. And the best thing is that LCDs are getting cheaper all the time.


BTW 60,000 Hour life is 4 hours per day for 41 years, so please cut the crap about replacing a plasma in 3 years

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 12:55 PM
My fear about response times comes from personal experience with LCD monitors and games. It's a legitimate concern from my experience, although I don't have experience with newer LCD screens.

On ISF calibration:

1) I'm very tired of calibrating the set myself. I don't have the time or ambition to deal with it.

2) I have Avia, I use it. It is NOT the same as an ISF calibration, particularly when it comes to anything more than 9-point convergence and geometry adjustments.

What is LCoS? I'll probably wait for LCD if given my druthers...

New LCD monitors have a response time of 8ms which is far, far less than the old Computer Flat Panels. I've played the 360 on a 46" LCD and there is no stutter, lag or artifcacting whatsoever.

2) I told you to look up the service menu codes for your TV online so that you can access the service menu which will give you a 56 point convergence check. That, combined with Avia, will get you said calibration.


LCoS is "Liquid Crystal on Silcon", it's a reflective technology that uses aluminized silicon rather than mirrors (a la DLP)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCoS

TinyEvel
01-22-2007, 12:59 PM
All you have to do is pull in a big salary, something like 200K+ and if your Plasma goes out, you go buy another one.
(mine's two years and still going strong)

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 01:01 PM
I don't understand all the plasma hatred. just don't get it.
People spread misinformation about plasma because they have some love affair with LCD?

How about checking a few fact before posting nonsense? Is that too much to ask?

BTW 60,000 Hour life is 4 hours per day for 41 years, so please cut the crap about replacing a plasma in 3 years

Response time is completely imperceptible now. At 8ms, you aren't going to be able to notice any artifacting or blurring in a fast moving image, particularly in a TV with a well-built scaler

The viewing angle argument is COMPLETE HORSESHIT. Nearly all LCDs have a viewing angle of 170+ degrees.

So to sum up, LCDs will last twice as long, will have better native resolution, don't suffer from artifacting anymore, but cost more, yet are available in smaller sizes, and won't have gas pixel burnouts and leakage over the lifetime of the set which will drastically reduce PQ.

Silock
01-22-2007, 02:50 PM
Let me clarify, I meant both formats- Plasma and LCD are able to achieve both 1080i and 1080p. That being said, not all models are able to achieve 1080p. In my experience, when I look at a 1080p side by side with a 1080i unit, I can't see the difference, even when the 1080p unit was being driven by Blu-ray. There may be a difference but to me it does not equal the additional cost.

Right, but what I'm saying is that they aren't displaying the signal as interlaced, even if they source itself IS interlaced. They always display progressive.

crazycoffey
01-22-2007, 03:18 PM
big screen = little D**K


J/K :o)

crazycoffey
01-22-2007, 03:29 PM
cool

htismaqe
01-22-2007, 04:10 PM
New LCD monitors have a response time of 8ms which is far, far less than the old Computer Flat Panels. I've played the 360 on a 46" LCD and there is no stutter, lag or artifcacting whatsoever.

2) I told you to look up the service menu codes for your TV online so that you can access the service menu which will give you a 56 point convergence check. That, combined with Avia, will get you said calibration.


LCoS is "Liquid Crystal on Silcon", it's a reflective technology that uses aluminized silicon rather than mirrors (a la DLP)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCoS

2) You do realize that the instruments required to do a "real" ISF calibration cost about 1000x what the Avia DVD costs, right? And that entering the service menu on my TV voids the warranty?

Fairplay
01-22-2007, 04:48 PM
Reading through these tv threads leaves me scratching my head sometimes.

One question. Would most of you recommend getting extended service contracts on them? Seems like a few people have had issues. Generally im not a believer in them but with a LCD/Plasma tv it sounds like it might be the thing to do.

htismaqe
01-22-2007, 04:51 PM
Reading through these tv threads leaves me scratching my head sometimes.

One question. Would most of you recommend getting extended service contracts on them? Seems like a few people have had issues. Generally im not a believer in them but with a LCD/Plasma tv it sounds like it might be the thing to do.

I can't speak to LCD/Plasma, but the extended warranty on my RPTV was the best investment I ever made. I can't imagine the horror if I didn't have one.

I've had both the red and green guns replaced, plus my extended warranty covered once-a-year calibrations (9-point and color only, no advanced services).

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 04:53 PM
2) You do realize that the instruments required to do a "real" ISF calibration cost about 1000x what the Avia DVD costs, right? And that entering the service menu on my TV voids the warranty?

If you are still under your goddamned warranty, then why are you being such a vag about having it calibrated? A 56 point calibration may not be as quite as precise as ISF, but you won't be able to tell the difference. It will be imperceptible. You are talking about a margin of error far more slight than the ability for the human eye to pick up, and the service monkey isn't going to know that you did it.

You need to admit that there are some things that you do not know ROFL.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 04:55 PM
Reading through these tv threads leaves me scratching my head sometimes.

One question. Would most of you recommend getting extended service contracts on them? Seems like a few people have had issues. Generally im not a believer in them but with a LCD/Plasma tv it sounds like it might be the thing to do.

Only if it is 20-25% or less of the total price of the TV.

88TG88
01-22-2007, 04:56 PM
i recently bought a vizio 32 inch (i assume its LCD but im not sure). its the costco brand for those who don't know the name and the price was pretty good. i watched the two champioships games on it and it the picture looked nice. anything i should know about it like reported prblems or anything ?

htismaqe
01-22-2007, 05:11 PM
If you are still under your goddamned warranty, then why are you being such a vag about having it calibrated? A 56 point calibration may not be as quite as precise as ISF, but you won't be able to tell the difference. It will be imperceptible. You are talking about a margin of error far more slight than the ability for the human eye to pick up, and the service monkey isn't going to know that you did it.

You need to admit that there are some things that you do not know ROFL.

Because my warranty covers dust removal and 9-point convergence. It doesn't cover ANY OTHER CALIBRATIONS. And if a 56-point convergence and/or geometry adjustment isn't done by an ISF-CERTIFIED technician, it voids my warranty. I've used the warranty THREE TIMES for mechanical defects that needed parts replacement, so I can't afford not to have it. They know when the service menu has been utilized because of a timestamp. I have to have it serviced by my warranty provider and only my warranty provider.

In addition, I'm guessing you simply failed to read the part about me NOT WANTING TO DO THIS STUFF MYSELF.

For someone telling other people to practice humility, you might want to take your own advice. Or at least READ the posts that you're responding to...

John_Locke
01-22-2007, 05:14 PM
SOOOOOOO

does this mean you are hosting a SB party????

Sure am

TinyEvel
01-22-2007, 05:54 PM
This thred has gone on too long.

READ A FOCKING BOOK!

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 05:55 PM
Because my warranty covers dust removal and 9-point convergence. It doesn't cover ANY OTHER CALIBRATIONS. And if a 56-point convergence and/or geometry adjustment isn't done by an ISF-CERTIFIED technician, it voids my warranty. I've used the warranty THREE TIMES for mechanical defects that needed parts replacement, so I can't afford not to have it. They know when the service menu has been utilized because of a timestamp. I have to have it serviced by my warranty provider and only my warranty provider.

In addition, I'm guessing you simply failed to read the part about me NOT WANTING TO DO THIS STUFF MYSELF.

For someone telling other people to practice humility, you might want to take your own advice. Or at least READ the posts that you're responding to...

I fully read your post, what I'm still having a hard time understanding is why you would spend so much time bitching about your TV online, and yet claim that you are unwilling to do any calibration.

If you ever decide to get the lead out of your ass, this may help:

http://www.hdtvoice.com/voice/forumdisplay.php?f=13

htismaqe
01-22-2007, 07:35 PM
I fully read your post, what I'm still having a hard time understanding is why you would spend so much time bitching about your TV online, and yet claim that you are unwilling to do any calibration.

If you ever decide to get the lead out of your ass, this may help:

http://www.hdtvoice.com/voice/forumdisplay.php?f=13

I guess I don't see where it's hard to understand.

Doing a 56-point calibration myself would void my extended warranty. My extended warranty has prevented me having to buy a new TV on 3 separate occasions. Really not that hard to comprehend.

htismaqe
01-22-2007, 07:36 PM
By the way, I already KNOW how to do both 9 and 56-point convergence. I don't need your help, thanks.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 07:56 PM
By the way, I already KNOW how to do both 9 and 56-point convergence. I don't need your help, thanks.

I guess I don't see where it's hard to understand.

Doing a 56-point calibration myself would void my extended warranty. My extended warranty has prevented me having to buy a new TV on 3 separate occasions. Really not that hard to comprehend


And if you KNEW your ass from a hole in the ground, you wouldn't be so goddamned ignorant as to basic technological tenets of each screen and form factor...funny how you "gain" all these magical abilities 3/4 of the way through the thread after nearly buying an outmoded technology "the other day". And if you knew WHAT THE F*CK you were talking about, you'd know that a well calibrated use of Avia is so damned close to what an ISF calibration is that you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference...but after all, those tech's use a "30,000" dollar piece of equipment, right? Or was that just you talking about of your ass again?

You'd also know that most people who pay for ISF calibration are beneficiaries of the placebo effect, but I'm sure...positive that you can tell a difference.

You sound exactly like every jerkoff I've ever heard who espouses the benefit of shit like Monster Cables and Speaker Wire, when in a double blind test you couldn't even tell the difference between said speaker wire and a goddamned lamp cord.

Skip Towne
01-22-2007, 08:00 PM
And if you KNEW your ass from a hole in the ground, you wouldn't be so goddamned ignorant as to basic technological tenets of each screen and form factor...funny how you "gain" all these magical abilities 3/4 of the way through the thread after nearly buying an outmoded technology "the other day". And if you knew WHAT THE F*CK you were talking about, you'd know that a well calibrated use of Avia is so damned close to what an ISF calibration is that you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference...but after all, those tech's use a "30,000" dollar piece of equipment, right? Or was that just you talking about of your ass again?

You'd also know that most people who pay for ISF calibration are beneficiaries of the placebo effect, but I'm sure...positive that you can tell a difference.

You sound exactly like every jerkoff I've ever heard who espouses the benefit of shit like Monster Cables and Speaker Wire, when in a double blind test you couldn't even tell the difference between said speaker wire and a goddamned lamp cord.
Don't hold back. let it all out. Catharsis is good. PS. You forgot to call him a dumb motherf*cker.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 08:03 PM
Don't hold back. let it all out. Catharsis is good. PS. You forgot to call him a dumb motherf*cker.
ROFL

Skip Towne
01-22-2007, 08:23 PM
i recently bought a vizio 32 inch (i assume its LCD but im not sure). its the costco brand for those who don't know the name and the price was pretty good. i watched the two champioships games on it and it the picture looked nice. anything i should know about it like reported prblems or anything ?
Why you dumb motherf*cker you don't even know what kind of TV you have? Can you f*cking read? Don't you realize the convergance =the coefficient of the least significant bit? I've got a 7 year old that is smarter than you. (Sorry to be so harsh but I'm trying to stay in the spirit of this thread.)

88TG88
01-22-2007, 08:30 PM
(Sorry to be so harsh but I'm trying to stay in the spirit of this thread.)

ROFL
ya i kind of brought this on myself didnt I

Skip Towne
01-22-2007, 08:35 PM
ROFL
ya i kind of brought this on myself didnt I
No offense intended. i was just practicing in case Hummas ever starts f*cking with me.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 08:35 PM
No offense intended. i was just practicing in case Hummas ever starts f*cking with me.

Your name is on the protected rolls.

htismaqe
01-22-2007, 08:38 PM
And if you KNEW your ass from a hole in the ground, you wouldn't be so goddamned ignorant as to basic technological tenets of each screen and form factor...funny how you "gain" all these magical abilities 3/4 of the way through the thread after nearly buying an outmoded technology "the other day". And if you knew WHAT THE F*CK you were talking about, you'd know that a well calibrated use of Avia is so damned close to what an ISF calibration is that you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference...but after all, those tech's use a "30,000" dollar piece of equipment, right? Or was that just you talking about of your ass again?

You'd also know that most people who pay for ISF calibration are beneficiaries of the placebo effect, but I'm sure...positive that you can tell a difference.

You sound exactly like every jerkoff I've ever heard who espouses the benefit of shit like Monster Cables and Speaker Wire, when in a double blind test you couldn't even tell the difference between said speaker wire and a goddamned lamp cord.

ROFL

I didn't gain any magical abilities. I was asking about plasma vs. LCD because I don't know much about them, which has nothing at all to do with the fact that I've owned a RPT for almost 6 years and know quite a bit about it.

It's funny to see you continuously not address the fact that the ISF calibration is part of my warranty, a warranty which replaces faulty parts, of which I've had 3.

And I didn't say a word about monster cables or speaker wire. So you can stop looking down your nose at me. This false bravado tells me I already know more about this than you do.

Bill Parcells
01-22-2007, 08:42 PM
And if you KNEW your ass from a hole in the ground, you wouldn't be so goddamned ignorant as to basic technological tenets of each screen and form factor...funny how you "gain" all these magical abilities 3/4 of the way through the thread after nearly buying an outmoded technology "the other day". And if you knew WHAT THE F*CK you were talking about, you'd know that a well calibrated use of Avia is so damned close to what an ISF calibration is that you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference...but after all, those tech's use a "30,000" dollar piece of equipment, right? Or was that just you talking about of your ass again?

You'd also know that most people who pay for ISF calibration are beneficiaries of the placebo effect, but I'm sure...positive that you can tell a difference.

You sound exactly like every jerkoff I've ever heard who espouses the benefit of shit like Monster Cables and Speaker Wire, when in a double blind test you couldn't even tell the difference between said speaker wire and a goddamned lamp cord.
For Christs sake Hamas ROFL ..you bring a verbal 2X4 to the table when you get annoyed! ROFL

Eric
01-22-2007, 08:54 PM
http://www.videosift.com/video/Laser-TV-Demo

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/0,239035250,339271573,00.htm#laser_tv

http://www.cnet.com.au/i/r/2006/tv/laser_tv_460.jpg

Dallas Chief
01-22-2007, 09:58 PM
i recently bought a vizio 32 inch (i assume its LCD but im not sure). its the costco brand for those who don't know the name and the price was pretty good. i watched the two champioships games on it and it the picture looked nice. anything i should know about it like reported prblems or anything ?
Vizio is a brand that Costco, Sam's Club, and Circuit city all carry. They look pretty good for a while. One of the buyers I deal with said that they have about a 30% return rate on them becasue the picture quality is so poor when people get them home- Standard cable or SAT being the culprit. They look good in the clubs because they usually have at least a 720p feed. If yours is working well and it looks good then congrats you got an awesome deal...

Dallas Chief
01-22-2007, 10:02 PM
And if you KNEW your ass from a hole in the ground, you wouldn't be so goddamned ignorant as to basic technological tenets of each screen and form factor...funny how you "gain" all these magical abilities 3/4 of the way through the thread after nearly buying an outmoded technology "the other day". And if you knew WHAT THE F*CK you were talking about, you'd know that a well calibrated use of Avia is so damned close to what an ISF calibration is that you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference...but after all, those tech's use a "30,000" dollar piece of equipment, right? Or was that just you talking about of your ass again?

You'd also know that most people who pay for ISF calibration are beneficiaries of the placebo effect, but I'm sure...positive that you can tell a difference.

You sound exactly like every jerkoff I've ever heard who espouses the benefit of shit like Monster Cables and Speaker Wire, when in a double blind test you couldn't even tell the difference between said speaker wire and a goddamned lamp cord.

Oh the torture.. The jaded electronics salesman... and we thought you were all but extinct. Monster and Sony must have really screwed up your SPIFF program right before Christmas!

It's all about marketing mister...

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 10:59 PM
Oh the torture.. The jaded electronics salesman... and we thought you were all but extinct. Monster and Sony must have really screwed up your SPIFF program right before Christmas!

It's all about marketing mister...

It is all about marketing, and that's why 99% of the people out there are f*cking morons when it comes to choosing the right components. They think that a commercial has their best interest in mind. It's kind of like basting yourself in chum and dropping yourself in the ocean and then acting surprised when you get your ass eaten off.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 11:11 PM
ROFL

I didn't gain any magical abilities. I was asking about plasma vs. LCD because I don't know much about them, which has nothing at all to do with the fact that I've owned a RPT for almost 6 years and know quite a bit about it.

It's funny to see you continuously not address the fact that the ISF calibration is part of my warranty, a warranty which replaces faulty parts, of which I've had 3.

And I didn't say a word about monster cables or speaker wire. So you can stop looking down your nose at me. This false bravado tells me I already know more about this than you do.

So you've owned an RPT for six years, and you know nothing of other formats despite owning a DVD that is generally only known about in videophile circles, and having specialized calibration that costs 300 bucks a pop and is done very few places around the country...and yet you know nothing....:spock:

I'm going to take you on a journey called reading comprehension lane

Our first stop will be analogy: Over here we have Monster Cable, the biggest piece of shit ever marketed to the electronics consumer, beside it we have ISF calibration, something that htismaqe doesn't want to pay for even though he *KNOWS* how well it works, even though at best you are paying $300 for an infintessimal improvement in picture quality that the human eye isn't going to perceive.

On down the road we have dumbf*ckery lane, where our same hero still presides. He claims that he can't do 56 point convergence because it voids his warranty, and then later runs his mouth about knowing how to do both 9 and 56 point convergence, even though the use of 56 point convergence would directly negate the warranty that he has spent so many posts, and time, protecting.

Moreover, he claims to be too busy to do said calibrations even if he wanted to, yet consistently runs his mouth on her about not doing them, when in the meantime he could have done it twice.

And riddle me this: How does one get a 6 year warranty on an RPT set when the industry standard is no more than 5? We know you haven't had your entire set replaced, because you've already mentioned all the repairs done to said set...and that generally most warranties replace after three repair attempts.

You are completely and utterly full of shit. You don't know your elbow from your asshole, and the "support" that you have given for your argument basically consists of you trying to google up whatever info you could muster in order to save your fragile ego


Oh and here's the topper:

From your last post:

It's funny to see you continuously not address the fact that the ISF calibration is part of my warranty,


And what is this at post 75?:


Because my warranty covers dust removal and 9-point convergence. It doesn't cover ANY OTHER CALIBRATIONS.

Well we know that there are 9 point, 56, and ISF calibrations and that 9 point is definitely not ISF, you say as much, and then later say that you can have ISF done, but then claim not to want to spend the money out of pocket for it?

Are you going to keep lying to cover your dumb ass? If so, I suggest you switch from a shovel to a backhoe. The ground gets harder the deeper you dig your hole.

HMc
01-22-2007, 11:15 PM
the saddest thing here homos is that you care about it so much

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-22-2007, 11:19 PM
the saddest thing here homos is that you care about it so much

Honestly, it's that i care about *this* particular topic, it's the douchebag who keeps changing his story to suit his argument. I'm tired of him running his mouth about his knowledge on everything from the draft (see Draft Planet) to technology to this kind of stuff, and then claiming to be a humble guy...

I'll tell you this much: I'm an arrogant prick, but I own up to it, and I can back up my knowledge. That's why I don't have any respect for that piece of trash, he thinks that just because he's a mod that his opinions are somehow valid without him providing any proof for them. He's basically Hootie with 25* more posts.

Joe Seahawk
01-22-2007, 11:29 PM
Honestly, it's that i care about *this* particular topic, it's the douchebag who keeps changing his story to suit his argument. I'm tired of him running his mouth about his knowledge on everything from the draft (see Draft Planet) to technology to this kind of stuff, and then claiming to be a humble guy...

I'll tell you this much: I'm an arrogant prick, but I own up to it, and I can back up my knowledge. That's why I don't have any respect for that piece of trash, he thinks that just because he's a mod that his opinions are somehow valid without him providing any proof for them. He's basically Hootie with 25* more posts.


Yeah! Well I love my Sony sxrd so **** off!! :p

htismaqe
01-23-2007, 06:41 AM
So you've owned an RPT for six years, and you know nothing of other formats despite owning a DVD that is generally only known about in videophile circles, and having specialized calibration that costs 300 bucks a pop and is done very few places around the country...and yet you know nothing....:spock:

I don't know anything about plasmas, which were new when I bought my RPTV. And I don't know anything about LCD's, which weren't out yet. I bought my Avia DVD based on a recommendation from someone HERE. Keep talking, it's fun to watch you act like a child.

On down the road we have dumbf*ckery lane, where our same hero still presides. He claims that he can't do 56 point convergence because it voids his warranty, and then later runs his mouth about knowing how to do both 9 and 56 point convergence, even though the use of 56 point convergence would directly negate the warranty that he has spent so many posts, and time, protecting.

I know how to do them because I read the same websites you do. And that's all you are. You know how to use Google and that makes you an expert.

Moreover, he claims to be too busy to do said calibrations even if he wanted to, yet consistently runs his mouth on her about not doing them, when in the meantime he could have done it twice.

I said I didn't want to do them. Inventing things to fit your story is pretty funny.

And riddle me this: How does one get a 6 year warranty on an RPT set when the industry standard is no more than 5? We know you haven't had your entire set replaced, because you've already mentioned all the repairs done to said set...and that generally most warranties replace after three repair attempts.

One gets a 1-year manufacturers warranty and a 5-year extended warranty. 1+5=6 Said warranty replaces AFTER 3, meaning they replace when you need the FOURTH component breaks.

You are completely and utterly full of shit. You don't know your elbow from your asshole, and the "support" that you have given for your argument basically consists of you trying to google up whatever info you could muster in order to save your fragile ego

ROFL ROFL ROFL

I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT PLASMA VS. LCD. This is too funny.


Well we know that there are 9 point, 56, and ISF calibrations and that 9 point is definitely not ISF, you say as much, and then later say that you can have ISF done, but then claim not to want to spend the money out of pocket for it?

Are you going to keep lying to cover your dumb ass? If so, I suggest you switch from a shovel to a backhoe. The ground gets harder the deeper you dig your hole.

ISF calibration is REQUIRED in order to avoid voiding my warranty. It is not covered by said warranty. I bought my warranty from a local boutique and apparently I'm a dumbass for having done so.

All of that is irrelevant when you consider my original question had nothing to do with the RPTV I'm wanting to eventually replace.

But watching you act like a spoiled child has been quite entertaining.

htismaqe
01-23-2007, 06:43 AM
Honestly, it's that i care about *this* particular topic, it's the douchebag who keeps changing his story to suit his argument. I'm tired of him running his mouth about his knowledge on everything from the draft (see Draft Planet) to technology to this kind of stuff, and then claiming to be a humble guy...

I'll tell you this much: I'm an arrogant prick, but I own up to it, and I can back up my knowledge. That's why I don't have any respect for that piece of trash, he thinks that just because he's a mod that his opinions are somehow valid without him providing any proof for them. He's basically Hootie with 25* more posts.

You've got a thing for me. How quaint.

Inferiority complexes should be kept to yourself, dude.

htismaqe
01-23-2007, 06:45 AM
the saddest thing here homos is that you care about it so much

I got attacked for asking a question, and that's why I'm engaged in this discussion.

I don't much care about it though...

Brock
01-23-2007, 08:28 AM
angry bitches.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-23-2007, 04:05 PM
I don't know anything about plasmas, which were new when I bought my RPTV. And I don't know anything about LCD's, which weren't out yet. I bought my Avia DVD based on a recommendation from someone HERE. Keep talking, it's fun to watch you act like a child.



I know how to do them because I read the same websites you do. And that's all you are. You know how to use Google and that makes you an expert.



I said I didn't want to do them. Inventing things to fit your story is pretty funny.



One gets a 1-year manufacturers warranty and a 5-year extended warranty. 1+5=6 Said warranty replaces AFTER 3, meaning they replace when you need the FOURTH component breaks.



ROFL ROFL ROFL

I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT PLASMA VS. LCD. This is too funny.




ISF calibration is REQUIRED in order to avoid voiding my warranty. It is not covered by said warranty. I bought my warranty from a local boutique and apparently I'm a dumbass for having done so.

All of that is irrelevant when you consider my original question had nothing to do with the RPTV I'm wanting to eventually replace.

But watching you act like a spoiled child has been quite entertaining.

First of all:

Plasmas had been on the market for almost 3 years when you bought your RPT...you're wrong again.


Manufacturer's and extended warranties DON'T overlap, but since you claim to have bought it from a boutique, I'll actually let you get away with this lie as well, claiming that the salesman ignored every standard in electronic marketing to give you a good deal

But, let's move on...

So then, how can one do 9 point calibration and dust removal every year and still have a warranty...that's not ISF calibration...therefore, you wouldn't even have the warranty that you speak of...

Moreover, why would one want an extended warranty that offers them 9 point cleaning service that by a definition of it having been done would void the very warranty that it is included in? You're a f*cking retard, and I'm fully confident in making that statement.

I'm the spoiled child? You're the one talking out of your ass because you are too much of a coward to admit that you were wrong

It's not that I have a "thing" for you, although that would fit the god oomplex you seem to have around here where you think that your football opinions are inscrutable, and that anyone who challenges said opinions is either mentally unstable or retarded.

You're wrong here just like you are wrong about most of your football opinions.

I'm sorry, but someone claiming to know about the intricacies of ISF calibration and not the slightest thing about LCD and Plasma, despite claiming to read various forums that I do, would be like a cardiologist not knowing what the little sacs that hold air inside your lungs are called (yes, they are slightly different, but the sheer amount of material that you would pick up through osmosis would preclude you from not knowing this)...once again, you are completely and utterly full of shit....drink some Mag Citrate and call me in the morning