We're f*ked!

[ptlyon]

This morning as I was getting ready for work and watching GMA (Good Morning America) I came to this dark conclusion:

We're F*ked.

We are. We might as well admit it. We're f*ked.

That Nazi Diane Sawyer was gooing all over while talking to Hilary Clinton who as everyone knows has just announced she is running for president. I also saw that they were going to interview Ombama later this week.

We're f*ked. We have to be.

I mean, is this all the Dems could muster to offer up for president? Jesus Tapdancing Christ. I know the nation is no longer in favor of Bush with what he (we) has done about the Iraq issue. So they will vote the other side of the fence in the next election. But god man, our choices are Hillary or some muslium?

We're f*ked. Just wanted to let you all know it.

Thanks, and please continue with your day.

[Radar Chief]

:eek:

[banyon]

I am going to get really,really tired over this "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

[noa]

I don't think Hillary will be the Dem nominee. There is plenty of time for poll numbers to change.

[Sully]

I am going to get really,really tired over this "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

Judging by my family... if someone says it enough times, rednecks will believe anything.

[Iowanian]

I had a very similar thought last night as Charlie Gibson was going down on Hillary on ABC.
Of course she wouldn't say anything negative about Obama, she's going to want him as her VP canidate.

[Logical]

This morning as I was getting ready for work and watching GMA (Good Morning America) I came to this dark conclusion:

We're F*ked.

We are. We might as well admit it. We're f*ked.

That Nazi Diane Sawyer was gooing all over while talking to Hilary Clinton who as everyone knows has just announced she is running for president. I also saw that they were going to interview Ombama later this week.

We're f*ked. We have to be.

I mean, is this all the Dems could muster to offer up for president? Jesus Tapdancing Christ. I know the nation is no longer in favor of Bush with what he (we) has done about the Iraq issue. So they will vote the other side of the fence in the next election. But god man, our choices are Hillary or some muslium?

We're f*ked. Just wanted to let you all know it.

Thanks, and please continue with your day.

Obama is not a muslim, he is a Christian, you got to quit being misled by ill informed prejudice that people use to slander others.

[pikesome]

I am going to get really,really tired over this "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

I am too. If people don't like him, please attack him on things called "issues" or "stances" or "voting history". No candidate is perfect, there is always something to complain about but this Muslim crap is beyond old. I feel for him with a middle name like Hussein but unless you're willing to go after anyone named Adolf please quit using the keyboard.

[scott free]

Yeah, i'm already getting sick of the whole Obama "Hussein" thing too, its people grasping at straws to find something to hate about the guy.

Blindly despising the guy over his name is a JOKE & even if he was Muslim i'm certainly not prepared to hate him just because of it.

Despite my often rash takes on that religion, i fully realize that not all of them hate us.

[CrazyCoffey]

I was really hoping that Rudy Giuliani was left enough of a Republican to gain some popularity with the tree huggers, what happened to him anyway, did he pull a John Kerry and blow himself up?

[patteeu]

Judging by my family... if someone says it enough times, rednecks will believe anything.

Did you hear that Hillary is also a Muslim? ;)

[patteeu]

I was really hoping that Rudy Giuliani was left enough of a Republican to gain some popularity with the tree huggers, what happened to him anyway, did he pull a John Kerry and blow himself up?

They found out that he's a Muslim.

[NewPhin]

Wonder if a bunch of wealthy Texas Oil Tycoons are going to start up Imams for Truth.

[pikesome]

Did you hear that Hillary is also a Muslim? ;)

Just like she's Jewish. :rolleyes:

[pikesome]

Wonder if a bunch of wealthy Texas Oil Tycoons are going to start up Imams for Truth.

I don't know, maybe the oil companies would like a Muslim president, might make it easier/cheaper to get Middle East oil.

[Taco John]

I think Obama is a great presidential candidate. I think he's probably the best candidate since Bill Clinton in terms of strength of party offering. I think the Republicans are in a lot of trouble this year in terms of their candidates. They have a lot of the same ole, same ole that they've been recycling for years, and few fresh prospects to energize a base.

I think the Republicans are going to face a challenger from a third party this year to boot, but that's just speculation based on how splintered the party is right now. But the way I'm reading things, the Democrats are the AFC right now, and the Republicans are the NFC... And the AFC Championship game is the real Superbowl.

[KC Dan]

I think the Republicans are in a lot of trouble this year in terms of their candidates.
This is why I am peacing out of this political crap for awhile. It's not this year, it's two years away. And, to think that we used to get sick of the process when they only went full on for one year. :banghead:

[stevieray]

I am going to get really,really tired over this "Obama is a Muslim" crap.

too ****** bad, we've listened to the left call Bush hitler for five years...let's not pretend this doesn't happen every election...

this is the single most thing I despise about libs..they are just as guilty of the same things they are so "offended" by...but act like they are above it..

[jAZ]

...Ombama ... some muslium?
He's Christian.

[banyon]

too ****** bad, we've listened to the left call Bush hitler for five years...let's not pretend this doesn't happen every election...

this is the single most thing I despise about libs..they are just as guilty of the same things they are so "offended" by...but act like they are above it..

The difference is that only the loony left calls Bush "teh Hitler". These are people on the right with Media credentials spreading around this Obama = Muslim crap. They have more civic responsibilities than loonblog.org.

[stevieray]

The difference is that only the loony left calls Bush "teh Hitler". These are people on the right with Media credentials spreading around this Obama = Muslim crap. They have more civic responsibilities than loonblog.org.

whatever, most of the BS said about Bush ends up on the cutting room floor, just as this will.

I think George and Barak are big boys, they can weather the storm.

[KCJohnny]

The last time a Senator won a presidential election was 1960 (JFK). The last time a Senator defeated a governor was 1920. Governors, not senators win elections. Bill Richardson is MUCH stronger than either Billary or Barak Hussein Obama.

[Chief Faithful]

Did you hear that Hillary is also a Muslim? ;)

She went to the same Madrassa as Osama Obama. That is how she knew he was a Muslim in Christian clothing.

[Chief Faithful]

Wonder if a bunch of wealthy Texas Oil Tycoons are going to start up Imams for Truth.

How about Boat People for Truth?

[Logical]

The last time a Senator won a presidential election was 1960 (JFK). The last time a Senator defeated a governor was 1920. Governors, not senators win elections. Bill Richardson is MUCH stronger than either Billary or Barak Hussein Obama.

I agree with your claims, but why are you resorting to the low tactic or name calling, you used to be above that sort of thing and would make your arguments short of childish name calling and veiled racist references.

[Chief Faithful]

The difference is that only the loony left calls Bush "teh Hitler". These are people on the right with Media credentials spreading around this Obama = Muslim crap. They have more civic responsibilities than loonblog.org.
:BS:

[banyon]

:BS:

Link it up.

[KCJohnny]

I agree with your claims, but why are you resorting to the low tactic or name calling, you used to be above that sort of thing and would make your arguments short of childish name calling and veiled racist references.

Nothing racist from me.

Barak Hussein Obama Bio (http://www.nndb.com/people/208/000055043/)

[jAZ]

I think George and Barak are big boys, they can weather the storm.
Actually, I think a RW whisper campaign that Obama = Muslim is exactly the thing that will seriously hurt him in the polls.

I also think that it's the kind of thing that when added to the "Hussein" crap we've seen creeping into even the DC Forum here at the Planet... as well as the latest Fox News "Maddrass" claims... could physically hurt Barak Obama.

He's the first Presidential Candidate that I genuinely fear for his life. Before the election and if he win's... long after it.

There are some nut jobs out there, just looking to be the terrorist hunter hero and this whisper campaign is really starting to lend credibility to the nut jobs when Fox News, NY Post and the Washington Times all start reporting stories about Obama and a Madrass.

[banyon]

Nothing racist from me.

Barak Hussein Obama Bio (http://www.nndb.com/people/208/000055043/)

That's a good index I haven't seen before.

Cheney has 2 DUI's? (http://www.nndb.com/people/598/000022532/)

He really is Bush's better I guess.

[jAZ]

I also think that it's the kind of thing that when added to the "Hussein" crap we've seen creeping into even the DC Forum here at the Planet...
Like I was saying...
Nothing racist from me.

Barak Hussein Obama Bio (http://www.nndb.com/people/208/000055043/)

[KCJohnny]

Get a grip, guys, Logical is blowing this out of proportion. My post was about GOVERNORS and SENATORS. For God's sake, how can anyone question my credentials about Muslims?

[banyon]

Get a grip, guys, Logical is blowing this out of proportion. My post was about GOVERNORS and SENATORS. For God's sake, how can anyone question my credentials about Muslims?

Dude, you're an Imam too?

[Taco John]

Bill Richardson is MUCH stronger than either Billary or Barak Hussein Obama.



Bill who?

[Jenson71]

I had no idea until today that Barack's godfather is Saddam.

[KCJohnny]

Bill who?

I'm a Republican, but its obvious that Gov. Richardson's credentials make Hillary Rodham and Barak Obama look like lightweights.

I'm just hoping the GOP nominates a Governor - because if Richardson does get the nomination, he will easily defeat a GOP legislator.

[Jenson71]

Bill who?

Governor of New Mexico.

[htismaqe]

Governors and Senators...God help us if Tom Vilsack is the next President...

[Taco John]

Governor of New Mexico.



I know. The point I was trying to make is that "nobody" knows who the guy is. Only us political junkies have much of a clue when you start throwing in obscure governors. And he is pretty obscure. Coming from NM, he'd have a hell of a time winning the nomination, let alone an election.

[banyon]

I know. The point I was trying to make is that "nobody" knows who the guy is. Only us political junkies have much of a clue when you start throwing in obscure governors. And he is pretty obscure. Coming from NM, he'd have a hell of a time winning the nomination, let alone an election.

Time ranks him as the 5th most likely nominee right now.

link (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=156935)

[kcfanintitanhell]

I know. The point I was trying to make is that "nobody" knows who the guy is. Only us political junkies have much of a clue when you start throwing in obscure governors. And he is pretty obscure. Coming from NM, he'd have a hell of a time winning the nomination, let alone an election.

Actually, I had no idea who Jimmy Carter was in the 70's.

[KCJohnny]

Time ranks him as the 5th most likely nominee right now.

link (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=156935)
So? He's a Guv'nuh. Governors beat Senators in presidential elections. Oh, believe me, I want either Ms. Rodham or Obama to run! One has negatives in the 40s, the other has.... well, he's handsome.

Both Clinton and Carter were nominated with WAY less experience than Bill Richardson:
2-term Governor of a border state Former Ambassador to the UN Cabinet Member CongressmanAnd oh by the way, he's Hispanic. They say that can only help in '08.

[Logical]

Get a grip, guys, Logical is blowing this out of proportion. My post was about GOVERNORS and SENATORS. For God's sake, how can anyone question my credentials about Muslims?

You have credentials about Muslims? I was pointing out your use of Billary when Hillary would be the mature thing to do and your inclusion of Obama middle name which was completely unneccessary and has become the veiled racist tactic of those wishing to discredit him.

[banyon]

So? He's a Guv'nuh. Governors beat Senators in presidential elections. Oh, believe me, I want either Ms. Rodham or Obama to run! One has negatives in the 40s, the other has.... well, he's handsome.

Both Clinton and Carter were nominated with WAY less experience than Bill Richardson:
2-term Governor of a border state Former Ambassador to the UN Cabinet Member CongressmanAnd oh by the way, he's Hispanic. They say that can only help in '08.

I'm agreeing with you. 5th place is pretty good right now for his name recognition.

[KCJohnny]

You have credentials about Muslims?

Uh, YEAH. I spent a year living with them, and protecting them.

[Adept Havelock]

For God's sake, how can anyone question my credentials about Muslims?

:rolleyes:

Yep, and every grunt in the march across Europe in WW2 had an in depth knowledge of German Culture and History, stretching all the way back to when Hermann whipped Quintilius Varus.

I don't question your credentials about the Iraqi muslims you dealt with. That said, IMO it's quite a stretch to assume because of that you have gained a grand, sweeping knowledge on the subject in general.

[pikesome]

your inclusion of Obama middle name which was completely unneccessary and has become the veiled racist tactic of those wishing to discredit him.

Do they teach mind reading at your high school? When my siblings or I got in trouble my parents used to use our middle names, are they racist? I always thought my mother didn't like the English, little did I know that her use of my middle name was an attempt to discredit me.


:rolleyes:

[Logical]

Uh, YEAH. I spent a year living with them, and protecting them.ROFL

I am sure you must be joking. I lived in a neighborhood that had Mafia members, so I know what it is to be in the Mafia and I completely understand the Mafia culture. Come on John be real.

[stevieray]

You have credentials about Muslims? I was pointing out your use of Billary when Hillary would be the mature thing to do and your inclusion of Obama middle name which was completely unneccessary and has become the veiled racist tactic of those wishing to discredit him.

It won't be unneccessary or racist if he's ever sworn in.

[kcfanintitanhell]

You have credentials about Muslims? I was pointing out your use of Billary when Hillary would be the mature thing to do and your inclusion of Obama middle name which was completely unneccessary and has become the veiled racist tactic of those wishing to discredit him.

Yea, and don't forget the stylistic redneck creativity of the poster on the last page referring to him as "Osama" Obama.
Know why we are truly F*cked? If this is indicative of a spirited exchange of ideas to move this country in a positive direction, then we are truly f*cked.

[Logical]

Do they teach mind reading at your high school? When my siblings or I got in trouble my parents used to use our middle names, are they racist? I always thought my mother didn't like the English, little did I know that her use of my middle name was an attempt to discredit me.


:rolleyes:

That is a sad analogy, please play again.

[Logical]

It won't be unneccessary or racist if he's ever sworn in.

As usual I seem to hear a swooshing sound as your cryptic comment passes overhead. Care to explain what you mean.

[stevieray]

As usual I seem to hear a swooshing sound as your cryptic comment passes overhead. Care to explain what you mean.

maybe he'll just use barry... :hmmm:

[Logical]

maybe he'll just use barry... :hmmm:
Stevie, at the risk of generalizing, I think this may prove that artists think differently.:p

Seriously, I still don't follow.
'

[noa]

Stevie, at this risk of generalizing, I think this may prove that artists think differently.:p

Seriously, I still don't follow.
'


I think he's saying that if Obama wins, he will be sworn in under his full name for everyone to hear, but in that context it won't be controversial.

[scott free]

The guys a Dem, therefore he MUST villified. If his name was Malcolm Wallace he'd still have to endure some sort of smear, regular 'ol politics.

He wont make it to Prez this time anyway, he still needs some seasoning in the crucible IMO.

[pikesome]

That is a sad analogy, please play again.

Not really but I'll break it down in small, small bites:

KCJohnny said:
The last time a Senator won a presidential election was 1960 (JFK). The last time a Senator defeated a governor was 1920. Governors, not senators win elections. Bill Richardson is MUCH stronger than either Billary or Barak Hussein Obama.


and then you repied:
I agree with your claims, but why are you resorting to the low tactic or name calling, you used to be above that sort of thing and would make your arguments short of childish name calling and veiled racist references.

So, essentially, what you are claiming is that by using his middle name, he's a racist. Unless I missed a memo calling someone by the name their parents gave them isn't grounds for such a slander. If you, or anyone here including KCJohnny, assign a negative meaning to his middle name maybe some sensitivity training would be in order. Slinging shit isn't something only politicians do it seems.

[Logical]

Not really but I'll break it down in small, small bites:

KCJohnny said:

and then you repied:


So, essentially, what you are claiming is that by using his middle name, he's a racist. Unless I missed a memo calling someone by the name their parents gave them isn't grounds for such a slander. If you, or anyone here including KCJohnny, assign a negative meaning to his middle name maybe some sensitivity training would be in order. Slinging shit isn't something only politicians do it seems.

So are you actually telling me you would not know who he meant had he simply said Hillary and Barack Obama? That by putting in the changes he had no negative intent?

Come on, that is completely unrealistic and you are trying to justify something that cannot and should not be justified.

[pikesome]

So are you actually telling me you would not know who he meant had he simply said Hillary and Barack Obama? That by putting in the changes he had no negative intent?

Come on, that is completely unrealistic and you are trying to justify something that cannot and should not be justified.

I'm saying that calling him a racist because he used Barack's middle name doesn't make a him a racist. It also casts a very negative light on you for making such a claim. Calling someone a racist isn't like accusing them of smelling or that their mother wears combat boots, it's something serious (or should be). Much like my position in the Fascist thread, people over-use the word just to cast someone in a negative light not because it really applies. Maybe KCJohnny really is, I don't know him personally, its hard to say but the jump from what he typed to putting him in the same category with David Duke is not only illogical, it's malicious. We're going to get a bunch of people using Barack's name against him between now and the time this is over, save the label-making for those who really deserve it.

I'd also question your point that it "should not be justified". What about every journalist who might use Barack's full name? Racists? Are they justified using it? I'm sure his mother used it once or twice. Racist? Is she justified? What about the inevitable articles about how his middle name might be a problem, are they racist? It's going to be mentioned many times and I'll agree it shouldn't be an issue. There's nothing to "justify" here because that's Barack's name. Just because you take issue with it being used doesn't make it wrong. Send him an email and see what he thinks, I would think Barack is the only one who's opinion matters on this.

[patteeu]

That's a good index I haven't seen before.

Cheney has 2 DUI's? (http://www.nndb.com/people/598/000022532/)

He really is Bush's better I guess.

His DUI's came before they were socially condemned to the extent that they are today. That's not to say that it's OK, just that it was a different time. Almost as far back as Hussein Obama's madrassa days. :p

[Adept Havelock]

His DUI's came before they were socially condemned to the extent that they are today. That's not to say that it's OK, just that it was a different time. Almost as far back as Hussein Obama's madrassa days. :p


The difference being Cheney actually had 2 DUI's. :p

[mlyonsd]

The difference being Cheney actually had 2 DUI's. :p
Does having two DUI's and shooting a guy in the face count as a trifecta?

Explain that to the grandkids.

[Logical]

I think he's saying that if Obama wins, he will be sworn in under his full name for everyone to hear, but in that context it won't be controversial.

Is that true, I guess I never paid attention to the full name being used. So when Clinton was swore in he said I William Jefferson Clinton....

Interesting and thanks.

[Logical]

I'm saying that calling him a racist because he used Barack's middle name doesn't make a him a racist. It also casts a very negative light on you for making such a claim. Calling someone a racist isn't like accusing them of smelling or that their mother wears combat boots, it's something serious (or should be). Much like my position in the Fascist thread, people over-use the word just to cast someone in a negative light not because it really applies. Maybe KCJohnny really is, I don't know him personally, its hard to say but the jump from what he typed to putting him in the same category with David Duke is not only illogical, it's malicious. We're going to get a bunch of people using Barack's name against him between now and the time this is over, save the label-making for those who really deserve it.

I'd also question your point that it "should not be justified". What about every journalist who might use Barack's full name? Racists? Are they justified using it? I'm sure his mother used it once or twice. Racist? Is she justified? What about the inevitable articles about how his middle name might be a problem, are they racist? It's going to be mentioned many times and I'll agree it shouldn't be an issue. There's nothing to "justify" here because that's Barack's name. Just because you take issue with it being used doesn't make it wrong. Send him an email and see what he thinks, I would think Barack is the only one who's opinion matters on this.

Read my post again I did not call John a racist. I said he used a veiled racist reference as a tactic was not like him. You can write a 1000 words more but the fact is that you don't need to use his middle name to identify him, and you couple it with the Billary instead of Hillary and it is pretty transparent he was trying to cast him in a negative light as he was with Hillary.

[jAZ]

Are people on this thread really trying to make the case that the use of "Hussein" is NOT being used in an effort to disparrage Barak Obama by creating a mental linkage between he and Saddam Hussein?

[patteeu]

Are people on this thread really trying to make the case that the use of "Hussein" is NOT being used in an effort to disparrage Barak Obama by creating a mental linkage between he and Saddam Hussein?

No, other than the fact that some of us are using it just for fun. Why do you ask?

[stevieray]

Read my post again I did not call John a racist. I said he used a veiled racist reference as a tactic was not like him. You can write a 1000 words more but the fact is that you don't need to use his middle name to identify him, and you couple it with the Billary instead of Hillary and it is pretty transparent he was trying to cast him in a negative light as he was with Hillary.

casting someone in a negative light is something most here have engaged in...including yourself...interesting how it doesn't bother you that people take Bush's middle name and use it against him.

[Iowanian]

He's the first Presidential Candidate that I genuinely fear for his life. Before the election and if he win's... long after it.
.

Thats kind of ironic, since you've all but called for the assassination of Bush for going on 6 years.

[stevieray]

Thats kind of ironic, since you've all but called for the assassination of Bush for going on 6 years.

no kidding.

[Iowanian]

Are posters and politicos who've spent a half decade calling George W Bush "Dubya", or George Herbert Walker Bush really going to get on a high horse over the use of a middle name and have the nerve to call it racist?

I guess William Jefferson Clinton, whose name was used in full over the course of the past decade and a half will be suprised there aren't men burning crosses in his Humble yard, of a simple home of a share cropper's son.

[jAZ]

Thats kind of ironic, since you've all but called for the assassination of Bush for going on 6 years.
Really? Please provide links to these assasination posts please.

[jAZ]

no kidding.
Wow... I'd like you to back that up as well.

[Iowanian]

You can't seriously deny it.

I'd guess you have the most hate directed at one person, in this case a sitting president, on most of the internet.

Can you say with a straight face that you haven't thought "this country would be so much better off if........"

truthfully now.

Oh...and for reading comprehension "ALL BUT" implies you've implied it without saying it directly. Your hate for the guy is well documented.

A simple search of DC with perameters of "jaz" using the word "Bush" reveals 453 threads, not including the archives.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?searchid=146699

Knock yourself out champ....I don't have the kind of time to spend on one person.

[jAZ]

You can't seriously deny it.

I'd guess you have the most hate directed at one person, in this case a sitting president, on most of the internet.

Can you say with a straight face that you haven't thought "this country would be so much better off if........"

truthfully now.
... if Bush were impeached?

Seriously.... you back up that statement.

You won't because you can't. Not only have I never said such things, but I don't even believe it.

There may be grounds to impeach the guy. Or even put him in jail. But You are the only one here talking about killing the guy.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Stevie too.

You've sunk to the lowest level possible in the discussion like this. You are making up completely baseless lies. Absolute and total lies.

Hell, I don't even support the death penalty.

The best thing you can do is act like a man and apologize for lying about this.

What a pathetically embarassing display.

:shake:

[jAZ]

Oh...and for reading comprehension "ALL BUT" implies you've implied it without saying it directly. Your hate for the guy is well documented.

A simple search of DC with perameters of "jaz" using the word "Bush" reveals 453 threads, not including the archives.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?searchid=146699

Knock yourself out champ....I don't have the kind of time to spend on one person.
Just admit you are completely lying... have no way to back up your claiims... and that you are "all but" a tool for trying to claim that you "don't have the kind of time" needed to back up your claims.

[Iowanian]

There it is....that Indignant victim I've been missing.

You're a fan of embarrassing displays? You would LOVE the temper tantrum you've been throwing online for the past 6 years through the monitor of a non-moonbat.

[jAZ]

There it is....that Indignant victim I've been missing.

You're a fan of embarrassing displays? You would LOVE the temper tantrum you've been throwing online for the past 6 years through the monitor of a non-moonbat.
Seems like you have at least 45 minutes to not back up the crap that you spew.

[Rausch]

No one of true character is willing to run anymore.

It's why Powell didn't run. That man could have easily been the first black president.

He was just too classy to run.

What's that say?...

[Logical]

casting someone in a negative light is something most here have engaged in...including yourself...interesting how it doesn't bother you that people take Bush's middle name and use it against him.


Not denying I have cast someone in a negative light. But how do you cast Bush in a negative light by using the name Walker?

[Logical]

There it is....that Indignant victim I've been missing.

You're a fan of embarrassing displays? You would LOVE the temper tantrum you've been throwing online for the past 6 years through the monitor of a non-moonbat.Look I will be the first to admit that between penchief and jAZ no other persons have spent more effort (including even DEnise) on vilifying Bush but I have never heard anyone suggest we would be better off if he was dead, at least on this BB. Are you sure you read that?

[KCJohnny]

I'm saying that calling him a racist because he used Barack's middle name doesn't make a him a racist. It also casts a very negative light on you for making such a claim. Calling someone a racist isn't like accusing them of smelling or that their mother wears combat boots, it's something serious (or should be). Much like my position in the Fascist thread, people over-use the word just to cast someone in a negative light not because it really applies. Maybe KCJohnny really is, I don't know him personally, its hard to say but the jump from what he typed to putting him in the same category with David Duke is not only illogical, it's malicious. We're going to get a bunch of people using Barack's name against him between now and the time this is over, save the label-making for those who really deserve it.

:toast:

Jim doesn't accept anyone's credentials other than his own, so I will not attempt to explain why I am not a racist. It only opens me up to more tasteless ridicule by self-annointed Chiefs Planet 'experts'.

[Logical]

:toast:

Jim doesn't accept anyone's credentials other than his own, so I will not attempt to explain why I am not a racist. It only opens me up to more tasteless ridicule by self-annointed Chiefs Planet 'experts'.

Jesus John I never said you were a racist, I said you used a veiled racist tactic that was not like you.

[CrazyCoffey]

I work with a doctor in st. louis, she falls all over herself about Claire here in mo now, and Obama in IL, I'll say that several occasions I've wanted to choke her because of this gross infatuation.

However, being exposed more to Obama, I done some research for her, and I will say, if we have to have a democrat for the next go around, he's a better choice than Kerry or Hillary, Hands down.

he seems to have some strong chartacter traits, similar to Powell, who I would have supported, I hold him in high regard.

Who are the Republicans putting up anyway?

[noa]

Who are the Republicans putting up anyway?

My money is on McCain or Huckabee. I don't see the nod going to Rudy, Romney, Brownback. Maybe Gingrich, but he still hasn't declared.

[CrazyCoffey]

My money is on McCain or Huckabee. I don't see the nod going to Rudy, Romney, Brownback. Maybe Gingrich, but he still hasn't declared.


I can live with McCain.

[Radar Chief]

Who are the Republicans putting up anyway?

A caricature of their feminine inner self? :shrug:

[Mr. Kotter]

My money is on McCain or Huckabee. I don't see the nod going to Rudy, Romney, Brownback. Maybe Gingrich, but he still hasn't declared.

Don't count out Romney yet...

[Baby Lee]

Top of the ticket - Guiliani
Undercard - Gingrich or Huckabee, depending if Guiliani's image needs to be hardened or softened.

It's there if Guiliani wants it.

[mlyonsd]

Top of the ticket - Guiliani
Undercard - Gingrich or Huckabee, depending if Guiliani's image needs to be hardened or softened.

It's there if Guiliani wants it.

I agree. The a@@ whooping the republicans took in '06 will soften their views of Rudy if they decide they want a chance at the WH.

Gotta give McCain credit for sticking to his morals but him saddling the more troops horse will damage him if it doesn't work.

Romney....bleh, another flip flopper.

[Baby Lee]

Romney....bleh, another flip flopper.
And I greatly preferred his previous model.

[vailpass]

Do you really think a black guy with a Muslim name who has accomplished exactly zero in his political career to date is going to be POTUS anytime within the next 50 years?
Lay down your bets, I'll take all that action there is to be had.

[banyon]

His DUI's came before they were socially condemned to the extent that they are today. That's not to say that it's OK, just that it was a different time. Almost as far back as Hussein Obama's madrassa days. :p

Then again, what do you have to do to get a DUI in the middle of nowhere Wyoming in the early 1960's? It's not like you could even hit anyone if you wanted to.

[KCJohnny]

Don't count out Romney yet...

Gov'nuhs have a MUCH better chance of getting elected than Senators. Which is why I see Bill Richardson, Democrat 2 term governor of New Mexico as a much more serious candidate than either Ms. Rodham or Obama.

[Taco John]

Gov'nuhs have a MUCH better chance of getting elected than Senators. Which is why I see Bill Richardson, Democrat 2 term governor of New Mexico as a much more serious candidate than either Ms. Rodham or Obama.



Yes, but you don't seem to understand the dynamics of what it is that you talk about. For instance, the fact that you think a governor from New Mexico has a shot over a media darling from New York is pretty revealing of what you understand about the political dynamic.

You have a debilitating disease that everyone who has been on this board for any amount of time is well aware of. It's sort of an inside joke. Everyone on this board knows that you decide something first, and then argue it to the blandest semantics next, whether what you are talking about makes rational sense or not. It's not just a political phenomenon, as it's manifested itself profoundly in your football discussions.

Bill Richardson, while a fine gentleman, has no shot at the presidency, and probably never will.

[listopencil]

I am too. If people don't like him, please attack him on things called "issues" or "stances" or "voting history". No candidate is perfect, there is always something to complain about but this Muslim crap is beyond old. I feel for him with a middle name like Hussein but unless you're willing to go after anyone named Adolf please quit using the keyboard.



His middle name is Hussein? Holy crap! We have to kill him!

[KCJohnny]

Yes, but you don't seem to understand the dynamics of what it is that you talk about. For instance, the fact that you think a governor from New Mexico has a shot over a media darling from New York is pretty revealing of what you understand about the political dynamic.

You have a debilitating disease that everyone who has been on this board for any amount of time is well aware of. It's sort of an inside joke. Everyone on this board knows that you decide something first, and then argue it to the blandest semantics next, whether what you are talking about makes rational sense or not. It's not just a political phenomenon, as it's manifested itself profoundly in your football discussions.

Bill Richardson, while a fine gentleman, has no shot at the presidency, and probably never will.Right.
Ever heard of Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton?

I may have an obstinate debating techique when discussing inconsequential topics (NFL football) but you have 30,379 posts here.
:hmmm:

[Mr. Kotter]

Do you really think a black guy with a Muslim name who has accomplished exactly zero in his political career to date is going to be POTUS anytime within the next 50 years?
Lay down your bets, I'll take all that action there is to be had.
Obama has charisma, he can (at this point) still claim "outsider" status, he seems pretty centrist, and the media loves him. He's also saying the right things--things people want to hear. He also seems like a genuinely nice guy who happens to be very bright.

However, electability, based in part on the issues you mentioned, is a question mark. If for no other reason than the persistent subtle and/or latent racism of about 20-30% of Americans....:shake:

That probabably qualifies him to be......Vice President.

So, yeah, you are probably right. Deep down though, I hope I'm wrong.

[Taco John]

So, yeah, you are probably right. Deep down though, I hope I'm wrong.



How so?

[Mr. Kotter]

How so?I think in the end, vailpass is probably right: Obama won't win. At least in 2008.

I think some of Obama's negatives won't show up in "polling"....because it's based on racism, and people are rightly ashamed to admit that publicly--even in a poll. I hope I'm wrong because that would be dissappointing to me.

I like what I've seen so far but I need to see more. His primary "performances" and specific proposals will need to be evaluated.

[pikesome]

I think in the end, vailpass is probably right: Obama won't win. At least in 2008.

I think some of Obama's negatives won't show up in "polling"....because it's based on racism, and people are rightly ashamed to admit that publicly--even in a poll. I hope I'm wrong because that would be dissappointing to me.

I like what I've seen so far but I need to see more. His primary "performances" and specific proposals will need to be evaluated.

I'm not sure how much of his not winning will be race and how much would be the fact that he's green as hell. Charisma can carry someone far especially if they want to run against Clinton but he has very little concrete record to fall back on. His lack of experience I think will hurt more than anything, Clinton's already reminding people about her previous stint as president. The good parts, kinda, anyway.

[go bowe]

I'm not sure how much of his not winning will be race and how much would be the fact that he's green as hell. Charisma can carry someone far especially if they want to run against Clinton but he has very little concrete record to fall back on. His lack of experience I think will hurt more than anything, Clinton's already reminding people about her previous stint as president. The good parts, kinda, anyway.jfk suffered from a lack of experience too...

[pikesome]

jfk suffered from a lack of experience too...

But look who he ran against, a stuffed dog with its hair falling out could have won against Nixon at the time. I'm not saying he's screwed by his lack of experience, I just don't think the other choices are bad enough that people will take a chance. I very well could be wrong, there's a long time till election day.

[stevieray]

jfk suffered from a lack of experience too...

talk about daddy "buying" a political career...

I've got bad news for libs..you can't and won't replace him...I honestly think this is why the party struggles...that and putting looks and charisma at the top of the priority list...just more watered down kennedy.

[Taco John]

But look who he ran against, a stuffed dog with its hair falling out could have won against Nixon at the time. I'm not saying he's screwed by his lack of experience, I just don't think the other choices are bad enough that people will take a chance. I very well could be wrong, there's a long time till election day.


In fairness, a stuffed dog could probably win against any republican at this time...

[acesn8s]

I was really hoping that Rudy Giuliani was left enough of a Republican to gain some popularity with the tree huggers, what happened to him anyway, did he pull a John Kerry and blow himself up?
I hear he's catholic and attended Notre Dame.

Rudy!Rudy!Rudy! :clap:

Protestants stand and protest! :cuss:

[acesn8s]

So? He's a Guv'nuh. Governors beat Senators in presidential elections. Oh, believe me, I want either Ms. Rodham or Obama to run! One has negatives in the 40s, the other has.... well, he's handsome.

Both Clinton and Carter were nominated with WAY less experience than Bill Richardson:
2-term Governor of a border state Former Ambassador to the UN Cabinet Member CongressmanAnd oh by the way, he's Hispanic. They say that can only help in '08.
At least he will get the illegal alien vote.

[CHIEF4EVER]

I don't care that Obama went to a Muslim school when he was SIX YEARS OLD. I care that he is in favor of things like Universal Health Care. I care that he is a Socialist. I don't give a rip what he did when he was 6.

[Baby Lee]

I don't care that Obama went to a Muslim school when he was SIX YEARS OLD. I care that he is in favor of things like Universal Health Care. I care that he is a Socialist. I don't give a rip what he did when he was 6.
Hush, libs need to hang their failures on neanderthal caricatures of their opponents to keep the attention off their undesireable policies.

[CHIEF4EVER]

Hush, libs need to hang their failures on neanderthal caricatures of their opponents to keep the attention off their undesireable policies.

Sorry. Quieting now. :doh!:

[pikesome]

In fairness, a stuffed dog could probably win against any republican at this time...

Hillary can't.

[Mr. Kotter]

Hillary can't.

In fairness, a stuffed dog has many superior qualities compared to Hillary. :)

[Logical]

I don't care that Obama went to a Muslim school when he was SIX YEARS OLD. I care that he is in favor of things like Universal Health Care. I care that he is a Socialist. I don't give a rip what he did when he was 6.

Good for you, that is what should help a person determine their support or opposition, not a persons middle name, religious preference, or the school they attended.

[Logical]

In fairness, a stuffed dog has many superior qualities compared to Hillary. :)Hard to argue that.

[|Zach|]

I don't think we are f****ed in the least.

I took a walk today in a beautiful area a few miles from my house. Went to work to earn some money. Had a few drinks with friends in the evening. Great country.

I imagine when I go out another walk tomorrow it will still be a great country.

[Logical]

I don't think we are f****ed in the least.

I took a walk today in a beautiful area a few miles from my house. Went to work to earn some money. Had a few drinks with friends in the evening. Great country.

I imagine when I go out another walk tomorrow it will still be a great country.Nice post

[Mr. Kotter]

I don't think we are f****ed in the least.

I took a walk today in a beautiful area a few miles from my house. Went to work to earn some money. Had a few drinks with friends in the evening. Great country.

I imagine when I go out another walk tomorrow it will still be a great country.I love it. ROFL

When you grow-up, you are gonna be a conservative. PBJ PBJ PBJ

Amidst the idealism, pussy, and philosophical intellectualism of college, I was nearly drawn in by the allure and seduction of liberalism/socialism too.

But, "The Force is strong in you...."

The Dark Side will take you, not. :)

Mark it down. ;)

[Logical]

I love it. ROFL

When you grow-up, you are gonna be a conservative. PBJ PBJ PBJ

Amidst the idealism, pussy, and philosophical intellectualism of college, I was nearly drawn in by the allure and seduction of liberalism/socialism too.

But, "The Force is strong in you...."

The Dark Side will take you, not. :)

Mark it down. ;)

I am wondering what in Zach's post caused you to write this post? I think he expressed a good point that no matter what is coming this is still a good country to live in and that we just need to appreciate it as we live each day.

[|Zach|]

I love it. ROFL

When you grow-up, you are gonna be a conservative. PBJ PBJ PBJ

Amidst the idealism, pussy, and philosophical intellectualism of college, I was nearly drawn in by the allure and seduction of liberalism/socialism too.

But, "The Force is strong in you...."

The Dark Side will take you, not. :)

Mark it down. ;)
So then...we are ****ed?

[Mr. Kotter]

So then...we are ****ed?

Pretty much.... ROFL

[|Zach|]

Pretty much.... ROFL
I would feel bad for you if I thought you believed it for a second.

:thumb:

[Mr. Kotter]

I am wondering what in Zach's post caused you to write this post? I think he expressed a good point that no matter what is coming this is still a good country to live in and that we just need to appreciate it as we live each day.
It's elementary, really....my dear Watson. ;)

It's not based on his single post, but the body of his "work"...specifically, his reluctant yet unmistakable penchant for youthful idealism....which belies the inner maturity, pragmatism, and realism which Zach, in more candid moments, has been known to demonstrate.

It's an inner-battle in which The Force will, I am confident, ultimately prevail. (FTR, you appear to be playing the role of Darth Vader in this drama....heh. We eagerly await your "return.")

Long live The Force. :)

[Mr. Kotter]

I would feel bad for you if I thought you believed it for a second.

:thumb:
I'm glad you've "figured me out" then....heh. Happy trails, Zach.

Perhaps Jim will too, someday soon. :)