PDA

View Full Version : Christian Thread : A chance to give your testimony


mississippichiefan
01-31-2007, 09:12 PM
This is a chance for Christians on here to give your testimony , tell what Jesus means to you, say where you go to church or just thank the Lord . This is a positive thread , don't knock others just uplift the Lord . I

Ted Theodore Logan
01-31-2007, 09:13 PM
I got saved in '95,I learned about the end of the world and cried out to GOD and he answered!

Halfcan
01-31-2007, 09:16 PM
F#ckin God Freaks are coming out of the woodwork!!

mississippichiefan
01-31-2007, 09:20 PM
My name is Phil , I have been on this board for years . I don't post alot but come here everyday for Chiefs news . I was inactive posting for a while and had to renew it and could not remember my password or name . I was Chieffanphil for a long time . I have been here ever since the Star bulletin board shut down.
I am a member of a Southern Baptist church and have been a Christian since 1974 when I accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my saviour. I have not regretted that one time . The Lord has been so good to us . My prayer is that all may come to know the Lord Jesus Christ as their own personal saviour.

Mr. Laz
01-31-2007, 09:26 PM
My name is Phil , I have been on this board for years . I don't post alot but come here everyday for Chiefs news . I was inactive posting for a while and had to renew it and could not remember my password or name . I was Chieffanphil for a long time . I have been here ever since the Star bulletin board shut down.
I am a member of a Southern Baptist church and have been a Christian since 1974 when I accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my saviour. I have not regretted that one time . The Lord has been so good to us . My prayer is that all may come to know the Lord Jesus Christ as their own personal saviour.

good for you...


but the problem is we just had a guy around here spamming the place with religious threads.

your thread is ill-timed

|Zach|
01-31-2007, 09:29 PM
(Via ZachIsHere.com)

Mego and I were hanging out with a few beers and a pizza last night watching the football game when we got inspired to go to church. We used to go a lot back in the day. After a little surfing on the internet we came up with one we thought would be worth trying out...ehhh...not so much.

She comes from a Lutheran backround where I am someone that leans to the Methodist way of doing things. I don't mind Lutheran services even though I have some very big disagreements with parts of their policies. The first church that came up that looked interesting was a Lutheran one that shall remain nameless. I got up early and went to her place...she got done getting ready and we set out...

First and foremost, the people were very nice. We met a lot of warm, out going people that made us feel very welcome. It went downhill after that. They couldn't stop talking about money...and they were doing this whole thing recording the whole service on video. I really get turned off by the dog and pony show you see at church sometimes. They had a wide array of interesting events where they proceeded to ask the congregation to pray for "x amount of people being there" which seemed odd to me. They were trying to raise money so they could buy ipod to get young people to come to some event. Thats just not the way to go about things in my opinion. There were a lot of small funny moments but it was the kind of stuff filed under "you had to be there".

Later on we went to breakfast a kid yelled "I LOVE THIS HUGE PIECE OF BACON" in the kind of voice generally reserved for someone his age opening a Christmas gift. Very funny.

We are going to a Methodist church next time around...

RNR
01-31-2007, 09:32 PM
good for you...


but the problem is we just had a guy around here spamming the place with religious threads.

your thread is ill-timed
He knows he was on the warnning thread defending the idiot you are talking about. That said if the idiot would have went about like this guy has there would not have been any hard feelings.

mississippichiefan
01-31-2007, 09:32 PM
I hope noone is offended , just giving Christains who want to speak up a chance to praise the Lord or just let other Christians know who they are . As I said no one is to cut others down just be positive. I wish those who are not Christians would simply ignore this thread if they don't believe or don't care to hear . This thread in no way is meant to offend anyone . This is totally oppositive of what those have complained about on the other thread . God Bless all , we are all Chief fan here .

Halfcan
01-31-2007, 09:34 PM
SPAM!

BigRedChief
01-31-2007, 09:35 PM
This is a chance for Christians on here to give your testimony , tell what Jesus means to you, say where you go to church or just thank the Lord . This is a positive thread , don't knock others just uplift the Lord . I
I do appreciate it that you have found some inner peace. And that you would like to share that with us. But....
http://www.forumspile.com/Care-Arnold.jpg

wutamess
01-31-2007, 09:36 PM
Come on dude... Take the religion shit somewhere else.

Go spam/ spread/ enlighten the DC forum with your kindness. No matter how peaceful, nice you put your topic it's still a topic that no one is really interested in and it's trolling Phil.

Holla.

88TG88
01-31-2007, 09:37 PM
cant this guy find some churchy message boards to post this on ??

crazycoffey
01-31-2007, 09:37 PM
good for you...


but the problem is we just had a guy around here spamming the place with religious threads.

your thread is ill-timed


he's here all the time, so he knows that, I think he's a pot stirer. Get a rope!



JK - actually I think he's trying to take advantage of the timing to get a positive spin on this topic, I am on board with this idea myself. My story is pretty long, but I did write something already on this topic in my notables noted thread.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=157170&page=2

Halfcan
01-31-2007, 09:49 PM
20 copycat religion threads in 5...4...3...2..1...

Ultra Peanut
01-31-2007, 09:51 PM
I was saved from sin when I was going on thirteen. But not really saved. It happened like this. There was a big revival at my Auntie Reed's church. Every night for weeks there had been much preaching, singing, praying, and shouting, and some very hardened sinners had been brought to Christ, and the membership of the church had grown by leaps and bounds. Then just before the revival ended, they held a special meeting for children, "to bring the young lambs to the fold." My aunt spoke of it for days ahead. That night I was escorted to the front row and placed on the mourners' bench with all the other young sinners, who had not yet been brought to Jesus.

My aunt told me that when you were saved you saw a light, and something happened to you inside! And Jesus came into your life! And God was with you from then on! She said you could see and hear and feel Jesus in your soul. I believed her. I had heard a great many old people say the same thing and it seemed to me they ought to know. So I sat there calmly in the hot, crowded church, waiting for Jesus to come to me.

The preacher preached a wonderful rhythmical sermon, all moans and shouts and lonely cries and dire pictures of hell, and then he sang a song about the ninety and nine safe in the fold, but one little lamb was left out in the cold. Then he said: "Won't you come? Won't you come to Jesus? Young lambs, won't you come?" And he held out his arms to all us young sinners there on the mourners' bench. And the little girls cried. And some of them jumped up and went to Jesus right away. But most of us just sat there.

A great many old people came and knelt around us and prayed, old women with jet-black faces and braided hair, old men with work-gnarled hands. And the church sang a song about the lower lights are burning, some poor sinners to be saved. And the whole building rocked with prayer and song.

Still I kept waiting to see Jesus.

Finally all the young people had gone to the altar and were saved, but one boy and me. He was a rounder's son named Westley. Westley and I were surrounded by sisters and deacons praying. It was very hot in the church, and getting late now. Finally Westley said to me in a whisper: "God damn! I'm tired o' sitting here. Let's get up and be saved." So he got up and was saved.

Then I was left all alone on the mourners' bench. My aunt came and knelt at my knees and cried, while prayers and song swirled all around me in the little church. The whole congregation prayed for me alone, in a mighty wail of moans and voices. And I kept waiting serenely for Jesus, waiting, waiting - but he didn't come. I wanted to see him, but nothing happened to me. Nothing! I wanted something to happen to me, but nothing happened.

I heard the songs and the minister saying: "Why don't you come? My dear child, why don't you come to Jesus? Jesus is waiting for you. He wants you. Why don't you come? Sister Reed, what is this child's name?"

"Langston," my aunt sobbed.

"Langston, why don't you come? Why don't you come and be saved? Oh, Lamb of God! Why don't you come?"

Now it was really getting late. I began to be ashamed of myself, holding everything up so long. I began to wonder what God thought about Westley, who certainly hadn't seen Jesus either, but who was now sitting proudly on the platform, swinging his knickerbockered legs and grinning down at me, surrounded by deacons and old women on their knees praying. God had not struck Westley dead for taking his name in vain or for lying in the temple. So I decided that maybe to save further trouble, I'd better lie, too, and say that Jesus had come, and get up and be saved.

So I got up, and I screamed, "I LOVE THIS HUGE PIECE OF BACON!"

Suddenly the whole room broke into a sea of shouting, as they saw me rise. Waves of rejoicing swept the place. Women leaped in the air. My aunt threw her arms around me. The minister took me by the hand and led me to the platform.

When things quieted down, in a hushed silence, punctuated by a few ecstatic "Amens," all the new young lambs were blessed in the name of God. Then joyous singing filled the room.

That night, for the first time in my life but one for I was a big boy twelve years old - I cried. I cried, in bed alone, and couldn't stop. I buried my head under the quilts, but my aunt heard me. She woke up and told my uncle I was crying because the Holy Ghost had come into my life, and because I had seen Jesus. But I was really crying because I couldn't bear to tell her that I had lied, that I had deceived everybody in the church, that I hadn't seen Jesus, and that now I didn't believe there was a Jesus anymore, since he didn't come to help me.

Phobia
01-31-2007, 10:14 PM
Come on dude... Take the religion shit somewhere else.

Go spam/ spread/ enlighten the DC forum with your kindness. No matter how peaceful, nice you put your topic it's still a topic that no one is really interested in and it's trolling Phil.

Holla.

I'm interested.

Halfcan
01-31-2007, 10:22 PM
I'm interested.

ROFL

Phobia
01-31-2007, 10:28 PM
I grew up in a Christian home. The problem was that my folks belong to a religion that I consider oppressive, especially as a youngster being subjected to all their rules and regulations. I felt like I was robbed of a great deal of my childhood because of it, especially playing football. I'm a pretty decent athlete with great speed for big boy and still feel to this day I could have played at least college ball - but I digress.

So, I rebelled in high school. I did a lot of drinking and a little pot. I joined the Marine Corps and never looked back.

When I married my current wife I told her that I expected we'd eventually find a church that wasn't so oppressive and enjoy the friendships and fellowship of a church family. She didn't seem very interested at the time, but several years later we visited my brother's church in Denver. She really enjoyed it and said that she felt like the people at that church had something that she didn't and that she wanted it.

So we started looking for a church here in KC. We attended a very large church for about 9 months but felt kinda lost in the shuffle - then were invited to a smaller church by some friends (from the big church who had switched churches). We really liked the new church and after listening and learning for several weeks were saved and baptised. This was spring of last year.

I still struggle a lot more than a lot of Christians but I'm trying. I've become a better person and our marriage has improved tenfold - for several reasons;
1. We give our problems to God. There's a whole lot less stress that way.
2. Our church focuses on marriage - many of our classes are surrounding marriage and we frequently do studies on Friday nights on marital improvement. You may have seen me recommend a "Love and Respect" book here in the past - that was one of the first things we did with our new church and we really learned a lot of stuff about our marriage and why men and women do the things we do.

The point I'd like to make is that you don't have to be a bible thumping extremist to enjoy the blessings of God and the benefits of a church family. My life has definitely changed in the past year or thereabouts but I'm the same guy. I don't drink as much as I used to and I rarely swear but I've really changed most of my priorites. God and my family have replaced all the things that used to top my list.

crazycoffey
01-31-2007, 10:36 PM
God and my family have replaced all the things that used to top my list.


Thanks for sharing, good story. My PM is at your service if you ever need it.

Bob Dole
01-31-2007, 10:47 PM
Bob Dole is enjoying a double cheeseburger (mayo, no pickles) from Whataburger right now.

Jenson71
01-31-2007, 10:54 PM
I'm Catholic. I'm very proud of my religion, yet I can recognize it's faults. I detest almost all signs of becoming modern and conforming to society. I wish mass was said in Latin at the very least at certain mass times, or certain weeks.

Douche Baggins
01-31-2007, 10:59 PM
Bob Dole is enjoying a double cheeseburger (mayo, no pickles) from Whataburger right now.

I had a cheesy gordita crunch yesterday. I've got the quesadillas in the fridge.

wutamess
01-31-2007, 10:59 PM
I rarely swear

ROFL
Oh! No he di'nt

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-31-2007, 10:59 PM
Jesus stole my Hot Wheels and f*cked my first love. He stinks, and I hate him.

Manila-Chief
01-31-2007, 11:00 PM
The point I'd like to make is that you don't have to be a bible thumping extremist to enjoy the blessings of God and the benefits of a church family. My life has definitely changed in the past year or thereabouts but I'm the same guy. I don't drink as much as I used to and I rarely swear but I've really changed most of my priorites. God and my family have replaced all the things that used to top my list.

Amen!!! I was encouraged by your post!!!

Saulbadguy
01-31-2007, 11:06 PM
Bacon?

recxjake
01-31-2007, 11:23 PM
GM THREADS >>>>> CHRISTIAN THREADS

Phobia
01-31-2007, 11:27 PM
ROFL
Oh! No he di'nt
Yeah, I dropped an f-bomb the last time we played football didn't I?

I'm not a perfect Christian - nowhere near it. I never will be. But I'm getting better. You'll never see me playing any holier than thou card because I'm not and I won't ever be that.

I screw something up every day.

BWillie
01-31-2007, 11:27 PM
I saved a bunch of hours and Sunday's of my life by stop believing in god. I mean days possibly weeks of my life now is put to better use like watching football on Sunday morning, or sleeping. Posts like this make me happy I'm not brainwashed anymore.

Simplex3
01-31-2007, 11:27 PM
GM THREADS >>>>> CHRISTIAN THREADS
S**t. We agree on something.

Douche Baggins
01-31-2007, 11:32 PM
I saved a bunch of hours and Sunday's of my life by stop believing in god. I mean days possibly weeks of my life now is put to better use like watching football on Sunday morning, or sleeping. Posts like this make me happy I'm not brainwashed anymore.

:clap:

Jenson71
01-31-2007, 11:35 PM
I saved a bunch of hours and Sunday's of my life by stop believing in god. I mean days possibly weeks of my life now is put to better use like watching football on Sunday morning, or sleeping. Posts like this make me happy I'm not brainwashed anymore.

Who's brainwashed? Me?

Simplex3
01-31-2007, 11:37 PM
Who's brainwashed?
Simple question:

Why are you a Christian, or more specifically, a Catholic?

Jenson71
01-31-2007, 11:39 PM
Simple question:

Why are you a Christian, or more specifically, a Catholic?

I was born into a Catholic family.

crazycoffey
01-31-2007, 11:41 PM
Simple question:

Why are you a Christian, or more specifically, a Catholic?

because after studing all the religions, I believe Jesus was really the messiah, and oh wait


I'm not a catholic, that's just dumb. They pray to the virgin mary = Idolaters!

Simplex3
01-31-2007, 11:41 PM
I was born into a Catholic family.
It's fair to say then that as a young child, someone else installed into you those beliefs?

Simplex3
01-31-2007, 11:42 PM
because after studing all the religions, I believe Jesus was really the messiah, and oh wait


I'm not a catholic, that's just dumb. They pray to the virgin mary = Idoloters!
Back off, I'm being serious here.

Jenson71
01-31-2007, 11:45 PM
It's fair to say then that as a young child, someone else installed into you those beliefs?

Yeah. Like I said, I was born into a Catholic family.

crazycoffey
01-31-2007, 11:46 PM
Back off, I'm being serious here.


man, I can't have any fun. Just trying to stir

greg63
01-31-2007, 11:47 PM
I've gone to church my entire life; I had parents who are Christians and that is how I was raised. However, it wasn't until I was about five years old that I can remember saying the "sinners prayer" in children's church; asking God to forgive me for my sins. There have been several times throughout my life that I struggled and kind of fallen by the wayside, but have always found God waiting to forgive me.

Well that is my story in a nut shell, and is not in any way meant to offend; it simply is what it is.

Jenson71
01-31-2007, 11:47 PM
man, I can't have any fun. Just trying to stir

Good luck. I'm not Believer. Not close.

crazycoffey
01-31-2007, 11:47 PM
Yeah. Like I said, I was born into a Catholic family.


FYI, he rubs the chubby bronze budha belly and for more than good luck.

Simplex3
01-31-2007, 11:49 PM
Yeah. Like I said, I was born into a Catholic family.
Now, I'm not passing a values judgment here, so maintain a constant breathing rate:

You were for all practical purposes brainwashed as a child, by your parents, into being a Catholic. It's true that it isn't dangerous like being brainwashed into a suicide cult, etc, but while the outcome may be different the method is the same.

As parents we all do it. It's what we're supposed to do, as a matter of fact. I spend a great deal of time feeding my preconceived notions to my children and expecting them to believe them as fact without having evaluated the surrounding elements. However, to deny it's happening would be disingenuous.

Jenson71
01-31-2007, 11:58 PM
Now, I'm not passing a values judgment here, so maintain a constant breathing rate:

You were for all practical purposes brainwashed as a child, by your parents, into being a Catholic. It's true that it isn't dangerous like being brainwashed into a suicide cult, etc, but while the outcome may be different the method is the same.

As parents we all do it. It's what we're supposed to do, as a matter of fact. I spend a great deal of time feeding my preconceived notions to my children and expecting them to believe them as fact without having evaluated the surrounding elements. However, to deny it's happening would be disingenuous.

I think you need to look up the word brainwash. Then interview my parents and ask them how they raised me, then come back and put two and two together and then don't forget to add that important step in a person's life that I would label "the development of a person to think for themselves" into the mix. Then you can attempt to tell me I, right now, am brainwashed.

Jenson71
02-01-2007, 12:02 AM
FYI, he rubs the chubby bronze budha belly and for more than good luck.

Who does? Believer?

crazycoffey
02-01-2007, 12:02 AM
Who does? Believer?


simplex

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:07 AM
I think you need to look up the word brainwash. Then interview my parents and ask them how they raised me, then come back and put two and two together and then don't forget to add that important step in a person's life that I would label "the development of a person to think for themselves" into the mix. Then you can attempt to tell me I, right now, am brainwashed.
I'm not saying you are, I'm saying EVERYONE is. We all operate based on notions fed to us by our parents, teachers, media, scientists, etc. etc. Sit down sometime and consider the number of decisions you've made in your life that you didn't take into account what your family would want you to do.

From Wikipedia: "Brainwashing, also known as thought reform or re-education, is the application of persuasive techniques to change the beliefs or behavior of one or more people usually for political or religious purposes. Whether any techniques at all exist that will actually work to change thought and behavior to the degree that the term "brainwashing" connotes is a controversial and at times hotly debated question."

Now, explain to me how I am NOT applying persuasive techniques to my children to get them to DECIDE not throw things in the house, color on the walls, or any of the other numerous things I tell them are "bad". Why are those things "bad"? Hell, even *I* don't know why. I teach them those things because my parents told me those things and because they are societally acceptable.

We're all brainwashed and it isn't about religion.

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:07 AM
Who does? Believer?
He's pointing to my Buddhist leanings.

BWillie
02-01-2007, 12:07 AM
I think you need to look up the word brainwash. Then interview my parents and ask them how they raised me, then come back and put two and two together and then don't forget to add that important step in a person's life that I would label "the development of a person to think for themselves" into the mix. Then you can attempt to tell me I, right now, am brainwashed.

If you changed what you learned about the bible and religion as a kid and changed them to fairy tales growing up would you really know the difference? A man lived inside of a whale, noah built an arc and got every species of animal to screw on his boat, woman was made from a rib, jack went up the bean stalk, little red riding hoods house was blown down from the big bad wolf. You wouldn't know the difference.

Ha, I'll give you the woman was made from a rib part. I like that part of Christianity. I always tell chicks they were made to serve me, and were created from my rib. That always pisses them off.

Jenson71
02-01-2007, 12:14 AM
I'm not saying you are, I'm saying EVERYONE is. We all operate based on notions fed to us by our parents, teachers, media, scientists, etc. etc. Sit down sometime and consider the number of decisions you've made in your life that you didn't take into account what your family would want you to do.

From Wikipedia: "Brainwashing, also known as thought reform or re-education, is the application of persuasive techniques to change the beliefs or behavior of one or more people usually for political or religious purposes. Whether any techniques at all exist that will actually work to change thought and behavior to the degree that the term "brainwashing" connotes is a controversial and at times hotly debated question."

Now, explain to me how I am NOT applying persuasive techniques to my children to get them to DECIDE not throw things in the house, color on the walls, or any of the other numerous things I tell them are "bad". Why are those things "bad"? Hell, even *I* don't know why. I teach them those things because my parents told me those things and because they are societally acceptable.

We're all brainwashed and it isn't about religion.

It's not like when I was born I went around saying "There is no God." And then my parents had to force me to stop saying that, took me to church all day until I said "There is God".

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:17 AM
It's not like when I was born I went around saying "There is no God." And then my parents had to force me to stop saying that, took me to church all day until I said "There is God".
If you were left to be raised by a pack of wolves would you be a Christian? How about if you were adopted by a Jewish family? Muslim? If you answer truthfully it's probably "no", you wouldn't be.

Your original nature was to not have beliefs and judgment, but rather to view the world as it was without filters and preconceived notions. As parents we build those up in you and it certainly isn't by the child's request or choice.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-01-2007, 12:19 AM
We're all brainwashed and it isn't about religion.

:clap:

One of the better things said on this board in quite a while. Cultural discourses shape the way we think and experience the world. The key is to have critical thinking ability, to question what you are told and question why it is told to you. Sadly, the overwhelming majority of people will only apply this skill to the alien things in their lives, never questioning the comfortable, the insulated.

luv
02-01-2007, 12:19 AM
If you were left to be raised by a pack of wolves would you be a Christian? How about if you were adopted by a Jewish family? Muslim? If you answer truthfully it's probably "no", you wouldn't be.

Your original nature was to not have beliefs and judgment, but rather to view the world as it was without filters and preconceived notions. As parents we build those up in you and it certainly isn't by the child's request or choice.
Neither of my parents went to church or made me go to church. I still became a Christian.

RJ
02-01-2007, 12:19 AM
Now, explain to me how I am NOT applying persuasive techniques to my children to get them to DECIDE not throw things in the house, color on the walls, or any of the other numerous things I tell them are "bad". Why are those things "bad"? Hell, even *I* don't know why. I teach them those things because my parents told me those things and because they are societally acceptable.

We're all brainwashed and it isn't about religion.



You don't know why it is wrong to throw things in the house or color on walls?

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:21 AM
Neither of my parents went to church or made me go to church. I still became a Christian.
No rule is hard and fast. Even death has been cheated by Al Davis.

I wasn't introduced to Buddhism until my early 30's, but it certainly makes more sense to me than Christianity ever did.

Jenson71
02-01-2007, 12:21 AM
If you were left to be raised by a pack of wolves would you be a Christian? How about if you were adopted by a Jewish family? Muslim? If you answer truthfully it's probably "no", you wouldn't be.

Your original nature was to not have beliefs and judgment, but rather to view the world as it was without filters and preconceived notions. As parents we build those up in you and it certainly isn't by the child's request or choice.

All true. Doesn't mean I was brainwashed.

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:21 AM
You don't know why it is wrong to throw things in the house or color on walls?
Explain it to me.

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:23 AM
All true. Doesn't mean I was brainwashed.
In the English language that word has a negative connotation and people don't want to think negative things about themselves. Let's just say you had some persuasive techniques applied when you were younger.

:)

luv
02-01-2007, 12:25 AM
No rule is hard and fast. Even death has been cheated by Al Davis.

I wasn't introduced to Buddhism until my early 30's, but it certainly makes more sense to me than Christianity ever did.
So, only those who are raised in a Christian atmosphere, but choose another religion, aren't brainwashed?

Jenson71
02-01-2007, 12:25 AM
In the English language that word has a negative connotation and people don't want to think negative things about themselves. Let's just say you had some persuasive techniques applied when you were younger.

:)Okay.
It seems that now we can agree that no, I was not brainwashed into Catholism as a kid.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-01-2007, 12:26 AM
Neither of my parents went to church or made me go to church. I still became a Christian.

You were also raised in a society that believes itself to be Christian, and creates a number of outlets that are relatively inescapable as a result. If you have DirecTV, there's a whole subsection of Christianity channels...yet oddly not the same for Islam, Judaism, or others.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-01-2007, 12:28 AM
Okay.
It seems that now we can agree that no, I was not brainwashed into Catholism as a kid.

It's damaging for you to admit that you weren't a conscious decision maker in the production of your values and beliefs. But that does not mean it didn't happen.

luv
02-01-2007, 12:29 AM
You were also raised in a society that believes itself to be Christian, and creates a number of outlets that are relatively inescapable as a result. If you have DirecTV, there's a whole subsection of Christianity channels...yet oddly not the same for Islam, Judaism, or others.
I'm 30. Cable barely existed when I was a kid. :)

I get your point though.

crazycoffey
02-01-2007, 12:30 AM
So, only those who are raised in a Christian atmosphere, but choose another religion, aren't brainwashed?



my mom still gives me a cookie everytime I say "jesus saves"

that ain't brainwashing, I don't care what your china man says.




:)

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:31 AM
So, only those who are raised in a Christian atmosphere, but choose another religion, aren't brainwashed?
Oh, we are. Every one of us is about most things. People will break down those deep-seeded ideas on some things and go the way that makes most sense to them, but only on some things. Some people do that more than others.

Speaking specifically about religion, just being the same religion as your parents doesn't mean you didn't at some point break the "brainwashing" down, search for the truth yourself, and arrive at the same general conclusion. HOWEVER, with the people I've spoken with through the years (I'm baptized and confirmed United Methodist) very, very few did.

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:33 AM
Okay.
It seems that now we can agree that no, I was not brainwashed into Catholism as a kid.
Can you demonstrate a difference between a word and it's definition? IMO being brainwashed is exactly what we all are on many, many subjects and in many, many facets of our lives. You seem to be bothered by either the choice of word or the connotation that brings, so chose a different word if that makes you comfortable.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-01-2007, 12:34 AM
I'm 30. Cable barely existed when I was a kid. :)

I get your point though.

When you were 4, Ronald Reagan got elected. His values were often and consistently cloaked in religious imagery. Even if you didn't have cable, I'm sure you were at least aware of the glut of televangelists in the 1980's, Swaggert, Baaker (sp?) or even Billy Graham (although not a complete scheister like the others) and they were all over Over the Air TV.

RJ
02-01-2007, 12:34 AM
I think the poster who started this thread did so with the best intentions. I hope he gets it back and that folks who want to respond in kind can do so without reading a bunch of insults.

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:36 AM
I think the poster who started this thread did so with the best intentions. I hope he gets it back and that folks who want to respond in kind can do so without reading a bunch of insults.
Who's insulted who?

luv
02-01-2007, 12:37 AM
When you were 4, Ronald Reagan got elected. His values were often and consistently cloaked in religious imagery. Even if you didn't have cable, I'm sure you were at least aware of the glut of televangelists in the 1980's, Swaggert, Baaker (sp?) or even Billy Graham (although not a complete scheister like the others) and they were all over Over the Air TV.
Relax. Keep reading my last post. I said I got the point. :)

Jenson71
02-01-2007, 12:39 AM
Can you demonstrate a difference between a word and it's definition? IMO being brainwashed is exactly what we all are on many, many subjects and in many, many facets of our lives. You seem to be bothered by either the choice of word or the connotation that brings, so chose a different word if that makes you comfortable.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

It's not about comfort, Simplex. You're not making me uncomfortable at all. I enjoy discussion about religion and history. I'm a history major. My life will be spent in questioning, in searching through mankind's existence and my own.

Do you think chiefsplanet is the first time I've ever had my faith questioned? Do you think I haven't spent much of my nineteen years of life in a shadow of doubt? Do you think I live in a shell? I assure you, that is not the case.

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 12:46 AM
It's not about comfort, Simplex. You're not making me uncomfortable at all. I enjoy discussion about religion and history. I'm a history major. My life will be spent in questioning, in searching through mankind's existence and my own.

Do you think chiefsplanet is the first time I've ever had my faith questioned? Do you think I haven't spent much of my nineteen years of life in a shadow of doubt? Do you think I live in a shell? I assure you, that is not the case.
When you were questioning your faith did you become introspective, imagining your life without God, or did you study other religions and try and determine for yourself if any of them were correct or not?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-01-2007, 12:53 AM
Relax. Keep reading my last post. I said I got the point. :)

I wasn't tensed at all, that's just the nature of my diction. I was elucidating the point for you. Most people don't know how much Xtian imagery they are inundated with.

Douche Baggins
02-01-2007, 12:54 AM
Catholicism: The #1 religion of mafia gangsters everywhere.

Jenson71
02-01-2007, 12:57 AM
When you were questioning your faith did you become introspective, imagining your life without God, or did you study other religions and try and determine for yourself if any of them were correct or not?

When in the past I've questioned my faith, I would say there is a strong combination of those two points, Simplex.

Jenson71
02-01-2007, 12:58 AM
Catholicism: The #1 religion of mafia gangsters everywhere.

They tend to be Catholic in Italy and Sicily.

Taco John
02-01-2007, 01:26 AM
Thanks for sharing, good story. My PM is at your service if you ever need it.



How in the world did you get a Prime Minister to do your bidding!? This sucks! I want a Prime Minister in my pocket!

Douche Baggins
02-01-2007, 01:30 AM
How in the world did you get a Prime Minister to do your bidding!? This sucks! I want a Prime Minister in my pocket!

Post 80 times a day and there are benefits...

King_Chief_Fan
02-01-2007, 06:50 AM
You were also raised in a society that believes itself to be Christian, and creates a number of outlets that are relatively inescapable as a result. If you have DirecTV, there's a whole subsection of Christianity channels...yet oddly not the same for Islam, Judaism, or others.

Not sure of what your point is here but those religions are welcome to buy what ever air time they want to spread their beliefs. If their membership thinks it is a worthy enough cause, they will help finance it.

crazycoffey
02-01-2007, 07:08 AM
How in the world did you get a Prime Minister to do your bidding!? This sucks! I want a Prime Minister in my pocket!



I've had it since day one, you don't have a prime minister? All you have to do is send him, there's a button for that and everything.

geronimo
02-01-2007, 07:12 AM
I accepted Jesus as my saviour when I was about 16 years old, having attended 8th St. Baptist Church in KCK. No some 25 years later, I still love the Lord. I have had some periods of rebellion and I have repented. God has brought me a long way and there is no limit to what God can do. Let us TRUST HIM ALWAYS! Good to see a positive, non-porn, decent thread on this board.

wutamess
02-01-2007, 07:18 AM
Yeah, I dropped an f-bomb the last time we played football didn't I?

I'm not a perfect Christian - nowhere near it. I never will be. But I'm getting better. You'll never see me playing any holier than thou card because I'm not and I won't ever be that.

I screw something up every day.

Nope... It's the F-Bombs everytime you make an out in softball (Not the church league)...
Or maybe it's the P-bombs you drop on the football field.

I'm not judging you & really don't give a shit. I curse myself out everytime too.

BigRedChief
02-01-2007, 07:21 AM
Organized Religion has caused the death of so many human beings that we can't even count that high.
It's because too many religions feel that they are the only path to enlightment.
Your personal beliefs in God/Jesus/the afterlife are your own and should remain personal. You don't need an Iman/Pastor/Bishop/Rabbi to tell you what you need to know. Listen to your heart. All religions boil down to one common principle.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

crazycoffey
02-01-2007, 07:44 AM
Organized Religion has caused the death of so many human beings that we can't even count that high.
It's because too many religions feel that they are the only path to enlightment.
Your personal beliefs in God/Jesus/the afterlife are your own and should remain personal. You don't need an Iman/Pastor/Bishop/Rabbi to tell you what you need to know. Listen to your heart. All religions boil down to one common principle.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you



except the extreme muslim and extreme hindu, they are ordered by religion to not accept anyone of a different religion. that's why the muslims that are fighting call this a holy war.

the hindu religion evolved passed this similar to the Catholics and the crusades.

Your are right, we as mankind have always persecuted anything different from what we believe, and this is direct abomination to human curtsey if nothing else.

It's also tough to rely soley on your individual heart, humans aren't meant to be emotionally independent, I need similar thinking people in my life to help justify my beliefs, our hearts aren't storage units that you can place something in and it will stay there on it's own, it's like fuel in a car, you have to keep adding to it to make it run.

Lzen
02-01-2007, 07:44 AM
Yeah, I dropped an f-bomb the last time we played football didn't I?

I'm not a perfect Christian - nowhere near it. I never will be. But I'm getting better. You'll never see me playing any holier than thou card because I'm not and I won't ever be that.

I screw something up every day.



Hey, don't feel bad. Just because you're Christian doesn't mean you're infallible. Everyone sins every day. I know I do plenty. I'm a Christian and I know I could do a lot better than I do sometimes. My story is similar to yours (growing up in a oppressive religion and rebellious teen years). I don't believe in profanity being sinful, though. Although I should try to watch my mouth more than I do simply out of respect for others that don't believe the way I do.
Like you, I try to avoid acting holier than though because I know I have a lot of areas that need work. I do like to have a few beers once in awhile. Like I said, I know I'm not perfect. But I do try to be a good Christian for the most part. I feel we should all keep this verse in mind.

Romans 3:23

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

C-Mac
02-01-2007, 07:45 AM
Organized Religion has caused the death of so many human beings that we can't even count that high.
It's because too many religions feel that they are the only path to enlightment.
Your personal beliefs in God/Jesus/the afterlife are your own and should remain personal. You don't need an Iman/Pastor/Bishop/Rabbi to tell you what you need to know. Listen to your heart. All religions boil down to one common principle.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

I agree, and many organized religions should be held acountable. Religious beliefs are personal, but there is no way your heart alone could educate you on what God expects of you or who Jesus was and why he was here.

Simplex3
02-01-2007, 07:53 AM
Religious beliefs are personal, but there is no way your heart alone could educate you on what God expects of you or who Jesus was and why he was here.
I've always felt that was what the Bible was for. The fact that many if not most Christians have never sat down and read the Bible seems odd to me. It's the foundation of their faith, yet they allow that to be spoon fed to them and interpreted by others.

C-Mac
02-01-2007, 07:56 AM
Hey, don't feel bad. Just because you're Christian doesn't mean you're infallible. Everyone sins every day. I know I do plenty. I'm a Christian and I know I could do a lot better than I do sometimes. My story is similar to yours (growing up in a oppressive religion and rebellious teen years). I don't believe in profanity being sinful, though. Although I should try to watch my mouth more than I do simply out of respect for others that don't believe the way I do.
Like you, I try to avoid acting holier than though because I know I have a lot of areas that need work. I do like to have a few beers once in awhile. Like I said, I know I'm not perfect. But I do try to be a good Christian for the most part. I feel we should all keep this verse in mind.

Romans 3:23

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Just a couple quotes from 2 different bibles in Colossians 3:8-9
concerning profanity. Just thought you would find as interesting as I did.

"But now really put them all away from you, wrath, anger, badness, abusive speech, and obscene talk out of your mouth. Do not be lying to one another. Strip off the old personality with its practices"

"But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds"

C-Mac
02-01-2007, 08:07 AM
I've always felt that was what the Bible was for. The fact that many if not most Christians have never sat down and read the Bible seems odd to me. It's the foundation of their faith, yet they allow that to be spoon fed to them and interpreted by others.

Well I doubt many could read the bible and understand it without some kind of aid. I do agree that probably most so called Christians rarely read the bible. Growing up as a Catholic we never did, it just looked cool setting there on the table.

"Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” He said: “Really, how could I ever do so, unless someone guided me?" -Acts 8:30-31

"...do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world." -1 John 4:1

Lzen
02-01-2007, 08:10 AM
Just a couple quotes from 2 different bibles in Colossians 3:8-9
concerning profanity. Just thought you would find as interesting as I did.

"But now really put them all away from you, wrath, anger, badness, abusive speech, and obscene talk out of your mouth. Do not be lying to one another. Strip off the old personality with its practices"

"But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds"

I have had these discussions with my mom and aunt and also my wife/FIL. To me, it seems that it doesn't matter what words you say. Cuss words are made up words that someone, at some point, said these are bad words. It could have been the word yabbadabbado. I think it's more about your state of mind rather that the actual words. In which case, I am guilty of that, too. But I do let certain words slip a lot of times if I make a mistake or I might use s*** as a noun. ;) I don't think the latter would be what those verses are referring to. Just my personal view, of course.

C-Mac
02-01-2007, 08:20 AM
I have had these discussions with my mom and aunt and also my wife/FIL. To me, it seems that it doesn't matter what words you say. Cuss words are made up words that someone, at some point, said these are bad words. It could have been the word yabbadabbado. I think it's more about your state of mind rather that the actual words. In which case, I am guilty of that, too. But I do let certain words slip a lot of times if I make a mistake or I might use s*** as a noun. ;) I don't think the latter would be what those verses are referring to. Just my personal view, of course.

You make some valid discussion but I would have say its what ever the culture you live in views as obscene talk. I remember learning from a guy from England that "bloody" or even worse "bleeding" are about the most extreme cuss words in most parts of Europe. If the word or phrase would offend someone or its something you would refrainin using in certan situations, then its probalby the principle the bible is trying to communicate.

boogblaster
02-01-2007, 08:25 AM
As said earlier in a post..many lives have been taken in the name of some religion..that is taking a belief way too far..when in reality all that is needed is a simple by-line to follow..kindness,fellowship,charity,simplicity,sharing and love of all mankind....

C-Mac
02-01-2007, 08:44 AM
As said earlier in a post..many lives have been taken in the name of some religion..that is taking a belief way too far..when in reality all that is needed is a simple by-line to follow..kindness,fellowship,charity,simplicity,sharing and love of all mankind....
Problem is you can even keep fellow so called Christians from killing each other.

Chiefnj
02-01-2007, 09:03 AM
I stopped believing when Herm was named head coach.

htismaqe
02-01-2007, 09:11 AM
I sincerely hope this thread was created to prove a point.

If it was, it HAS.

This place is full of children.

mississippichiefan, I sincerely apologize, but I'm closing your thread. It was innocuous, but ill-timed.