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Deberg_1990
02-05-2007, 04:30 PM
Taken out of his MMQB column...after he slurps all over Mannings nuts of course.....LOL



12. Kansas City (9-8). Derrick Thomas has a tough road to Canton, I believe. His presenter, Bob Gretz, does a terrific job stating Thomas' case, but my feeling is that more than a few people in the room think he was a one-dimensional player.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/02/05/super.bowl/2.html


4. I think there was a lot of good, and some bad, in Saturday's Hall of Fame elections in Miami Beach. First, there were 17 men up for election, and, as one of 40 selectors, I favored 14 for entry. The only ones I did not support were Ray Guy (not a singular punter in my opinion, despite his legend), Derrick Thomas (too one-dimensional for my tastes), and Andre Reed (a good player who benefited from a great offense with a great triggerman in Jim Kelly).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/02/05/super.bowl/5.html



This pisses me off. I honestly dont think an "East Coast" guy like King really saw enough of DT play to make a fair judgement on him.


Nice...

siberian khatru
02-05-2007, 04:52 PM
OK, then it was one dimension that he was the best at and which changed numerous games.

So many coaches talk about how important it is in the NFL to have a pass rush. DT could bring it.

I took off my homer glasses and stomped them to bits, and I still think DT is a HOFer.

TEX
02-05-2007, 04:53 PM
Has Peter King ever said anything good about the Chiefs? If DT were a Ram or a Donx, he'd get King's vote.

Besides, I don't mind if DT was one dimensional because when he played he was the BEST at that one dimension and every team had to account for him. So, he changed every game that he played in.

FAX
02-05-2007, 04:54 PM
Despicable bastard.

FAX

HMc
02-05-2007, 04:54 PM
Er, Dan Marino was one dimensionsal aswell, by that logic

|Zach|
02-05-2007, 04:58 PM
Has Peter King ever said anything good about the Chiefs? If DT were a Ram or a Donx, he'd get King's vote.

Besides, I don't mind if DT was one dimensional because when he played he was the BEST at that one dimension and every team had to account for him. So, he changed every game that he played in.
He has...a lot of times...

But people seem to have more fun believing the media hates us. :hmmm:

FAX
02-05-2007, 05:01 PM
Er, Dan Marino was one dimensionsal aswell, by that logic

Good point, Mr. HMc. Come to think of it, you could also include practically every other QB who ever played, as well as most RBs, wideouts, cornerbacks and coaches, for that matter.

How many dimensions must a player have to be considered hall worthy? This guy likes to hear himself talk.

FAX

acesn8s
02-05-2007, 05:01 PM
Hey King!!!

:cuss: you!

Deberg_1990
02-05-2007, 05:02 PM
He has...a lot of times...

But people seem to have more fun believing the media hates us. :hmmm:


I dont think King hates the Chiefs and that wasnt my intent. I just dont think King can make a fair call on him as i mentioned earlier.

Plus, the hall is unfairly biased towards offensive players.

Although, he does say in his column that Art Monk is getting jobbed...

|Zach|
02-05-2007, 05:03 PM
I dont think King hates the Chiefs and that wasnt my intent. I just dont think King can make a fair call on him as i mentioned earlier.

Plus, the hall is unfairly biased towards offensive players.

Although, he does say in his column that Art Monk is getting jobbed...

I don't agree with his take but...

Why can't he make a fair call?

Fruit Ninja
02-05-2007, 05:06 PM
Derrick Wont get in for a good long while i beleive. He's going to just get lost in there somewhere.

Deberg_1990
02-05-2007, 05:06 PM
Why can't he make a fair call?

Hes an East Coast guy. He talks about the Giants and Jets more than any other team because thats where he lives and thats what he primarily sees on TV every week.


I just dont think he saw DT play that much. I really dont.

|Zach|
02-05-2007, 05:08 PM
Hes an East Coast guy. He talks about the Giants and Jets more than any other team because thats where he lives and thats what he primarily sees on TV every week.


I just dont think he saw DT play that much. I really dont.
I may have a problem with that if he were the only one.

You can't be everything to everyone.

Deberg_1990
02-05-2007, 05:14 PM
I may have a problem with that if he were the only one.

You can't be everything to everyone.

I guess thats why the have the individual (local media)presenters like Gretz to help balance things out....


Oh well, I think DT will make it eventually....or he could turn out to be another Art Monk....

Braincase
02-05-2007, 05:21 PM
Will Shields will be deemed one-dimensional becasue he only played offense.

acesn8s
02-05-2007, 05:28 PM
Will Shields will be deemed one-dimensional becasue he only played offense.
Wow. I guess Tom Bardt would be the Chiefs best shot then. Or Dale Carter. :shake:

FAX
02-05-2007, 05:29 PM
It's an absurd premise, Mr. Braincase.

Good god, was Stenerud one-dimensional? Or does he get extra points for kickoffs?

FAX

Braincase
02-05-2007, 05:36 PM
It's an absurd premise, Mr. Braincase.

Good god, was Stenerud one-dimensional? Or does he get extra points for kickoffs?

FAX

I almost said "because he was never on the field during kicking plays" or "becasue he only played guard".

OnTheWarpath58
02-05-2007, 05:55 PM
I dont think King hates the Chiefs and that wasnt my intent. I just dont think King can make a fair call on him as i mentioned earlier.

Plus, the hall is unfairly biased towards offensive players.

Although, he does say in his column that Art Monk is getting jobbed...

Example #854 why Peter King is a fuggin idiot.

Peter King has been one of the most outspoken AGAINST Art Monk until this year.

Now he's changing his tune, and Monk's getting jobbed?

Make up your mind, Peter. Monk is either a HOF'er or he's not.

Douchenozzle.

acesn8s
02-05-2007, 06:00 PM
Example #854 why Peter King is a fuggin idiot.

Peter King has been one of the most outspoken AGAINST Art Monk until this year.

Now he's changing his tune, and Monk's getting jobbed?

Make up your mind, Peter. Monk is either a HOF'er or he's not.

Douchenozzle.
Monk is getting King jobbed.

BigRock
02-05-2007, 06:15 PM
Derrick Thomas was too one-dimensional, but watch King line up to slurp Deion Sanders' knob when it's time to vote him in.

Uncle_Ted
02-05-2007, 06:41 PM
I don't have the stats to back it up, but IIRC, DT improved a lot against the run in the latter half of his career.

Gonzo hasn't a good blocker the first half of this career, and dropped a lot of passes his first year or two. But he's pretty much a lock for first-ballot HOF.

I totally agree on the Deion Sanders comment.

Messier
02-05-2007, 06:54 PM
12. Kansas City (9-8). Derrick Thomas has a tough road to Canton, I believe. His presenter, Bob Gretz, does a terrific job stating Thomas' case, but my feeling is that more than a few people in the room think he was a one-dimensional player.

Wait, he means HE thinks Thomas was one-dimensional right?

I get a little angry thinking about Peter King wandering around the room putting a bug in everyone's ear saying things like, "Yeah, Thomas was good but a little one-dimensional, don't you think?"

Tuckdaddy
02-05-2007, 07:55 PM
DT had well over 100 sacks in 10 years. He will make it. His one INT will hurt but he was used alot as a 3rd down pass rusher so of course int's were not his calling card.

Many times he was a game changer.

munkey
02-05-2007, 08:10 PM
King is a walking, talking, flying piece of bat crap.

How anyone can listen or watch and believe the son of Eddie Munster spew his vomit is beyond me. Costas and HBO should be ashamed of themselves.

HolmeZz
02-05-2007, 08:13 PM
I don't want to hear anything about Merriman if DT's going to get labeled(and subsequently penalized) as a one-dimensional player.

ChiTown
02-05-2007, 08:15 PM
Focking stooopid.

Line up DT in his prime next to any defender in today's game. Now, who would you rather have over DT?

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Exactly, now get his ass into the HOF. He was the best at his position over a decade. This BS about being one-dimensional is complete crap.

OnTheWarpath58
02-05-2007, 08:15 PM
This one dimensional crap is retarded.

Harry Carson made it last year with EIGHT career sacks.

Does that make him a one-dimensional run stuffer?

Fact is, DT has two things going against him:

1) He never won a ring.

2) He's not alive to bitch and moan like some of these guys do. He's gonna continue to get passed over until there's a class without some of these borderline old timers like Hickerson and Sanders......

stevieray
02-05-2007, 08:46 PM
I'm starting to feel that every year that goes by, his chances get slimmer and slimmer.

HMc
02-05-2007, 09:06 PM
if your wanna flog your wang over athletes who've got multiple dimensions then i don't think american football is what you should be watching. is there another pro sport which requires greater specialisation? go watch decathlon race or somthing

JBucc
02-05-2007, 09:18 PM
Does anyone have a list of who becomes eligible over the next several years?

stevieray
02-05-2007, 09:20 PM
ok..let's say it's true...he's only allowed one dimension.

Name another player that had a faster first step that produced over 100 sacks and seven in one game.

Name another player confident enough to call the safety..and then deliver.

I think the shannon sharpe incident and the wreckless driving that ended his career and ultimately his life are mitigating factors, but who knows.

Halfcan
02-05-2007, 09:24 PM
Peter puffer King is a f#ckhead. How did he ever get a job writing that shit. I have always disliked him, but now hate him.

HMc
02-05-2007, 09:25 PM
1.bein dead
2.playing in a small market
3.having little postseason success

maybe not in that order

milkman
02-05-2007, 09:25 PM
I'm starting to feel that every year that goes by, his chances get slimmer and slimmer.

I agree.

He belongs, but if he doesn't get there in the next couple of years, he may never make it.

FAX
02-05-2007, 09:26 PM
ok..let's say it's true...he's only allowed one dimension.

Name another player that had a faster first step that produced over 100 sacks and seven in one game.

Name another player confident enough to call the safety..and then deliver.

I think the shannon sharpe incident and the wreckless driving that ended his career and ultimately his life are mitigating factors, but who knows.

Honestly, I think it's small market syndrome at work again, Mr. stevieray.

He'll be pushed to the back of the line unless or until a class comes along in which he is a much more obvious choice by comparison. Either way, the claim that he was too "one-dimensional" is completely ridiculous. I cite the Stenerud example. Who can be more "one-dimensional" than a kicker?

FAX

Halfcan
02-05-2007, 09:27 PM
I guess turning around a franchise and taking them to the playoffs does not matter. F#ck the HOF-I will never go there if DT does not make it.

RedNeckRaider
02-05-2007, 09:28 PM
Does anyone have a list of who becomes eligible over the next several years?
Every player that has been retired for atleast 5 years.

Halfcan
02-05-2007, 09:28 PM
And it is D#ckwads like King that are keeping him out.

HMc
02-05-2007, 09:30 PM
man mike vick has more dimensions than peyton manning

manning has 1, vick has 1.2 (the 1 is for running)

Halfcan
02-05-2007, 09:32 PM
DT destroyed QB's, I just don't get why the dumbf#ck voters hate him. Any team would kill to have a player like that on their team.

HMc
02-05-2007, 09:32 PM
Every player that has been retired for atleast 5 years.

http://www.argiuarforHOF2008.com

Halfcan
02-05-2007, 09:34 PM
Why is Bob Presenting again-can we get someone with some freakin credibilty please?

BigRock
02-05-2007, 09:48 PM
2) He's not alive to bitch and moan like some of these guys do. He's gonna continue to get passed over until there's a class without some of these borderline old timers like Hickerson and Sanders......
I think this one might be okay, because regardless of what a bunch of stomach stapling frauds like Peter King may think, there's a list a mile long of guys who played against DT who have said he should be in the HOF. Several of them are in the HOF themselves. Come to think of it, has anybody who played against him ever said he shouldn't be in? I can't think of anyone.

That Fox Sports preview show with Tim Brown and Jason Seahorn and that crew are all morons, but they did a HOF vote thing where each guy could only pick 3 guys from this year's class to make it in. I think all 3 ex-players on the show picked DT as 1 of their 3. They played against him, they know what he was like.

A few more years of DT not making it and maybe some of these guys will start getting vocal, knowing he's not around to make his own case.

Halfcan
02-05-2007, 09:52 PM
I think posting any further article written by Peter puffer King- should be grounds for instant Neg rep. The guy is a Chief and DT hater and NEVER has anything good to say about either.

tk13
02-05-2007, 09:55 PM
I think this one might be okay, because regardless of what a bunch of stomach stapling frauds like Peter King may think, there's a list a mile long of guys who played against DT who have said he should be in the HOF. Several of them are in the HOF themselves. Come to think of it, has anybody who played against him ever said he shouldn't be in? I can't think of anyone.

That Fox Sports preview show with Tim Brown and Jason Seahorn and that crew are all morons, but they did a HOF vote thing where each guy could only pick 3 guys from this year's class to make it in. I think all 3 ex-players on the show picked DT as 1 of their 3. They played against him, they know what he was like.

A few more years of DT not making it and maybe some of these guys will start getting vocal, knowing he's not around to make his own case.
From 2005:

The Chiefs conducted an active letter-writing campaign on Thomas' behalf, including letters from several Hall of Famers and current coaches such as Bill Walsh, Marv Levy, Bill Cowher, Marty Schottenheimer, Mike Shanahan, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Jackie Slater, Marcus Allen and Warren Moon, said Peterson. Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt also sent letters to the voters.

That is the kind of screwy thing about it... I bet if you had a committee of top coaches and players doing it, he'd probably get in. That is a pretty impressive list of individuals, I'd value their opinions over anyone who is on the HOF committee.

FAX
02-05-2007, 09:55 PM
Why is Bob Presenting again-can we get someone with some freakin credibilty please?

I would love to see someone like Lanier present his case next time. Let a current HOFer who played a similar position do the honors and beat the crap out of anyone who disagrees.

FAX

HMc
02-05-2007, 10:05 PM
From 2005:



That is the kind of screwy thing about it... I bet if you had a committee of top coaches and players doing it, he'd probably get in. That is a pretty impressive list of individuals, I'd value their opinions over anyone who is on the HOF committee.

hey. PMs

boogblaster
02-05-2007, 10:07 PM
DT was as they put it one-dimensional..but that was his package in the defence.. "blitz package bonanza"..and the only one before him was LT..and no-one since has even came close..

stevieray
02-05-2007, 10:08 PM
I would love to see someone like Lanier present his case next time. Let a current HOFer who played a similar position do the honors and beat the crap out of anyone who disagrees.

FAX

Lanier would be perfect..I really enjoy listening to him speak. Smart man.

Guru
02-05-2007, 10:56 PM
Lanier would be perfect..I really enjoy listening to him speak. Smart man.
So how was it Stevie?

Rain Man
02-06-2007, 12:49 AM
DT was taken with the 4th pick in the draft, and Chiefs fans think we got a steal. What does that say about the guy?

And the one-dimensional thing is ludicrous. He was one-dimensional because he was so good at pass rushing that only an insane person would have him do anything else. Could Eric Dickerson block? Who the hell cares. Could Dan Marino scramble? Who the hell cares.

Halfcan
02-06-2007, 12:52 AM
DT was taken with the 4th pick in the draft, and Chiefs fans think we got a steal. What does that say about the guy?

And the one-dimensional thing is ludicrous. He was one-dimensional because he was so good at pass rushing that only an insane person would have him do anything else. Could Eric Dickerson block? Who the hell cares. Could Dan Marino scramble? Who the hell cares.

Email that to Bob for next year when he blows it. That is a kickass response right there!

ChiefFan31
02-06-2007, 02:54 AM
Honestly, I think it's small market syndrome at work again, Mr. stevieray.

He'll be pushed to the back of the line unless or until a class comes along in which he is a much more obvious choice by comparison. Either way, the claim that he was too "one-dimensional" is completely ridiculous. I cite the Stenerud example. Who can be more "one-dimensional" than a kicker?

FAX

I concur with it mainly being a small market problem. If he was a NYG there would be plenty O slobbering taking place.

J Diddy
02-06-2007, 03:22 AM
I concur with it mainly being a small market problem. If he was a NYG there would be plenty O slobbering taking place.

yep see michael strahan

Bill Lundberg
02-06-2007, 06:58 AM
and Andre Reed (a good player who benefited from a great offense with a great triggerman in Jim Kelly).

Did he or did he not just describe Michael Irvin to a tee.

BigRedChief
02-06-2007, 07:03 AM
Adam Teicher was on the DA show and said he should be in but he understands that he's not a slam dunk.
People remember that in his biggest game of his life (AFC Championship game in Buffalo) that he was standing on the sidelines, a non-factor because he was getting pushed around in Bills running game. He thought that was a point that the one dimensional argument voters keep making. And that its a valid point.

StcChief
02-06-2007, 08:33 AM
Adam Teicher was on the DA show and said he should be in but he understands that he's not a slam dunk.
People remember that in his biggest game of his life (AFC Championship game in Buffalo) that he was standing on the sidelines, a non-factor because he was getting pushed around in Bills running game. He thought that was a point that the one dimensional argument voters keep making. And that its a valid point.True...

Look at the other games he did change. AFC Championship is just one game.

Better pull out statements by the media during the 90s about him.

petegz28
02-06-2007, 09:10 AM
So was LT one dimensional?

Chief Chief
02-06-2007, 09:18 AM
"The only ones I did not support were Ray Guy (not a singular punter in my opinion, despite his legend)...

Singular punter? WTF?!?!!

Ebolapox
02-06-2007, 09:36 AM
and Andre Reed (a good player who benefited from a great offense with a great triggerman in Jim Kelly).

Did he or did he not just describe Michael Irvin to a tee.

you missed two 'minor' points...

1) andre reed never got arrested for being a cokehead and never got caught on a coke binge with a trannie prostitute in a hotel room

2) andre reed didn't have two super bowls like cokehead irvin had

BigRedChief
02-06-2007, 09:45 AM
True...

Look at the other games he did change. AFC Championship is just one game.

Better pull out statements by the media during the 90s about him.

Wasn't my words or opinions but Teichers. DT is a slam dunk HOF'r in my opinion

shaneo69
02-07-2007, 08:31 PM
DT was taken with the 4th pick in the draft, and Chiefs fans think we got a steal. What does that say about the guy?


If we had the 1989 draft to do over again, and the Chiefs got to draft first, I'd still want them to take Derrick. I don't think Aikman, Barry Sanders or Deion could have turned this franchise around the way Derrick did.