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trndobrd
02-08-2007, 12:40 PM
The "gun laws" thread in D.C. quickly devolved into a "best gun" thread. I thought I would see what the rest of the Planet has planned for home and personal defense.

So, you hear some talking outside about 2 am followed by the sound of glass breaking somewhere in your home. What's your plan?

Poll forthcoming just as quick as I can get to my 'safe room' and fire up the generator....

Redrum_69
02-08-2007, 12:41 PM
ANTIFREEZE FLAVORED TOOTSIE ROLL POPS!!!

chief husker
02-08-2007, 12:53 PM
In order from smallest to largest effect. Medium sized fold up knife under the bed. Bowie knife in the drawer closest to the bed. 22 beretta next to that. Luger in the closet. Downstairs, another 22 revolver, three shotguns, one with shells next to it. I dream about the sound of breaking glass. With five acres, they will never be found. The creatures will dispose of their remains.

Brock
02-08-2007, 12:57 PM
Birdshot won't go through your neighbor's walls.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 12:59 PM
shotgun, biggest bang for your buck, don't even have to be a dead on aim (if you're groggy from waking suddenly), likely the rounds won't penetrate the exterior of the house and hit a neighbor or through more than one wall, so the kids/wife/in-laws/pets are that much safer. say #1 or 2 buckshot. 20 pellets, take part of the door off as they come in to the room, but not through other walls.

Frazod
02-08-2007, 01:01 PM
I'm going for the 9mm Glock (loaded with Glaser safety slugs). After the unfortunate incident with the refrigerator :bang: I learned that I'd be much better off using a weapon that doesn't have a hammer when I'm 9/10ths asleep and staggering through my house with the burglar alarm going off.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 01:02 PM
ANTIFREEZE FLAVORED TOOTSIE ROLL POPS!!!


cross thread humor.... yeah

Bwana
02-08-2007, 02:14 PM
12 gauge, you can miss. Any of my assault weapons would be a bit of an over kill for your average swing'n dick burglar Plus like someone else said, no need to jack the neighbor up with a piece of lead moving at 2200 FPS that went through the sheet rock.

On a side note, you guys that voted swords ever hear about bringing a knife to a gun fight? LOL

Iowanian
02-08-2007, 02:26 PM
Antifreeze tipped .40 cal
12 guage buckshot

both options.

If not, channel Bruce LeRoy.

TrebMaxx
02-08-2007, 02:28 PM
First the intruders would be freaking out with two Australian Shepards, one at 80 lbs and the other at 75 lbs going off on them. Then it would depend on my mood, but most likely it would be my SA 1911 .45 ACP. Next would be my S&W Model 39-2 9mm. The shotgun would be my last resort due to the fact that it is only a .410 over under. Damn, I need to get me a 12 gauge. I have to agree with CC about the shotgun.

Iowanian
02-08-2007, 02:34 PM
"Please kind sir, Allow me to load my possessions of your choice, so as for you not to trip and harm yourself in my unfamiliar surroundings and lead to a lawsuit for my ignorant carelessness of leaving out a Child's toy" "Shall I hold down the wife for you or make a snack for your trip to the pawn shop?"

88TG88
02-08-2007, 03:01 PM
id go with the shotty. 12 gauge works nice. if u can get ur hands on a pump action all the better

Bacon Cheeseburger
02-08-2007, 03:02 PM
ED-209

Redrum_69
02-08-2007, 03:08 PM
ED-209



robocop....

MOhillbilly
02-08-2007, 03:09 PM
i dont see why anyone would want a handgun for defense.everytine you pull the trigger you fire one round,a single projectile.

http://www.eastcoastfirearms.com/images/content/mossbergmarineR.jpg

everytime you fire a shotgun you have anywhere from 1-500 prejectile.

i hunt 3in mag 00 buck for personal defense.

Bwana
02-08-2007, 03:10 PM
i dont see why anyone would want a handgun for defense.everytine you pull the trigger you fire one round,a single projectile.

http://www.eastcoastfirearms.com/images/content/mossbergmarineR.jpg

everytime you fire a shotgun you have anywhere from 1-500 prejectile.

i hunt 3in mag 00 buck for personal defense.

That works, BTW: who in the hell is that in your sig Mo?

MOhillbilly
02-08-2007, 03:11 PM
Birdshot won't go through your neighbor's walls.

but itll blow a hole you can put your foot through in a car door.

MOhillbilly
02-08-2007, 03:12 PM
That works, BTW: who in the hell is that in your sig Mo?

Jerry Lee after he was arrested for doing a drive by on Elvis house cause E wouldnt come out and say hello.....

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 03:13 PM
but itll blow a hole you can put your foot through in a car door.

I actually prefer #1 buck, get a few more pellets out, in case I was drinking the night before and accuracy is not as possible.

Bwana
02-08-2007, 03:15 PM
I actually prefer #1 buck, get a few more pellets out, in case I was drinking the night before and accuracy is not as possible.
WTF? Is that new math? Dead is dead.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 03:16 PM
WTF? Is that new math?

what do you mean?

MOhillbilly
02-08-2007, 03:17 PM
WTF? Is that new math? Dead is dead.

my brain just imploded abit.:drool:

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 03:21 PM
WTF? Is that new math? Dead is dead.

I'm just saying there are more pellets in the higher number load, thereby increasing the cone coverage and your chance at a mortal wound and decreasing the time with a bad guy coming at you (time might be crutial)

bird shots have lead, and the numbers there are usually even more pellets, but decreased pellet penetration on the target. A slug would do alot more damage, but it's just one big chunk of metal, if you miss, you're Fed. You said 00 buck. about 7 or 8 pellets. where as #1 or #2 has more, #2 has about 16 or 17, #1 10-12, depends alittle if you load it yourself, or what brand, but you should get the idea.

El Jefe
02-08-2007, 03:28 PM
Mac-10 baby. Probably my goverment edition COLT 45, or my S&W 9mm. Then my throwing knives I keep in my room. "Louis Vitton belt where Im keeping all my heat strapped" funny song.

MOhillbilly
02-08-2007, 03:29 PM
bird shots have lead, and the numbers there are usually even more pellets, but decreased pellet penetration on the target. A slug would do alot more damage, but it's just one big chunk of metal, if you miss, you're Fed. You said 00 buck. about 7 or 8 pellets. where as #1 or #2 has more, #2 has about 16 or 17, #1 10-12, depends alittle if you load it yourself, or what brand, but you should get the idea.
birdshot up close will blow a man in half, a slug will not.


EDIT 3in 00 buck i believe is 14-15 9mm rounds.

Bwana
02-08-2007, 03:29 PM
I'm just saying there are more pellets in the higher number load, thereby increasing the cone coverage and your chance at a mortal wound and decreasing the time with a bad guy coming at you (time might be crutial)

bird shots have lead, and the numbers there are usually even more pellets, but decreased pellet penetration on the target. A slug would do alot more damage, but it's just one big chunk of metal, if you miss, you're Fed. You said 00 buck. about 7 or 8 pellets. where as #1 or #2 has more, #2 has about 16 or 17, #1 10-12, depends alittle if you load it yourself, or what brand, but you should get the idea.Oh for Christ sake, think about this for a second, how far do you figure you are going to be from "Mr. Perpetrator" (in your house) when you Winchester the slippery Larry? Either way the pattern is going to be small, unless you live with Hef over at the Playboy mansion. Likely between 6 and 15 feet, we are not talking about a Quigley Down Under shot here. Do some research on the pattern of both shots at that distance and tell me what you find.

El Jefe
02-08-2007, 03:31 PM
"We are not talking a Quigley down under shot here". Hahahahahaha that was pretty funny, good movie.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 03:50 PM
Oh for Christ sake, think about this for a second, how far do you figure you are going to be from "Mr. Perpetrator" (in your house) when you Winchester the slippery Larry? Either way the pattern is going to be small, unless you live with Hef over at the Playboy mansion. Likely between 6 and 15 feet, we are not talking about a Quigley Down Under shot here. Do some research on the pattern of both shots at that distance and tell me what you find.


I have done plenty of research on my own, I do not need to justify my opinions to you, do what you want, I'll do what I want.

In fact you should probably do some research, cause I'm not so sure you even know what you're talking about.

same with mohillbilly, 00 buck is nothing like 15 9mm rounds, that is plain uninformed.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 03:53 PM
000 is 9mm and there are about 6 pellets an ounce, how many ounces of 9mm lead do you think you can get in 12 gauge load? 15? ozark math > nothing I guess.

88TG88
02-08-2007, 04:00 PM
if u have no regard for human life
http://www.defensereview.com/stories/milkor/IMGP0432.JPG
might wanna invest in a silencer

WARPARTY70
02-08-2007, 04:07 PM
Say hello to my little friend

Bwana
02-08-2007, 04:07 PM
I have done plenty of research on my own, I do not need to justify my opinions to you, do what you want, I'll do what I want.

In fact you should probably do some research, cause I'm not so sure you even know what you're talking about.


ROFL

I haven't posted much over the past two months, who the hell is this slack jaw moron?

I would be surprised if you have even fired a "real" gun, and by real, Power Ranger guns don't count Rambo. Go borrow one from your local crack dealer, obtain boths rounds in my above mentioned post, stand six feet away and let her rip. Tell me what you find research master. :shake:

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 04:07 PM
if u have no regard for human life
http://www.defensereview.com/stories/milkor/IMGP0432.JPG
might wanna invest in a silencer


shoots rubber and wood batons, cartridges of gas (cs) or smoke for signals, I don't think this is the 40mm so all the old 40mm grenade comments can stop before they start.

it's mostly for non-lethal shots, and stratigic gas deployment, think SWAT entry, or urban - close quarter battles. Nut acting like he has something, but you think he doesn't you hit him with the rubber baton or beanbag shot and knock him on his ass so others can swarm him and take him unharmed. Or crowd control, bounce a few wood batons on the ground shin level, the crowd won't be able to stand for it....ha

But I like how you are thinking.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 04:08 PM
ROFL

I haven't posted much over the past two months, who the hell is this slack jaw moron?

I would be surprised if you have even fired a "real" gun, and by real, Power Ranger guns don't count Rambo. Go borrow one from your local crack dealer, obtain boths rounds in my above mentioned post, stand six feet away and let her rip. Tell me what you find research master. :shake:


whatever makes you feel good.

88TG88
02-08-2007, 04:16 PM
it's mostly for non-lethal shots
au contraire
http://www.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_MGL-3.jpg

pr_capone
02-08-2007, 04:16 PM
9mm Side Arm.... unless my dog doesnt kill him first.

KChiefer
02-08-2007, 04:39 PM
Since, I don't have anything in my bedroom, I'll reach for...duh...the phone.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 04:39 PM
au contraire
http://www.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_MGL-3.jpg


what a pic of your dildo's, ha

green and yellow are gas, white probably the WP, marking and burning smoke, I'm not reckonizing most of them, some look like dummy rounds (training)

but you are suggesting that a few of them are HEDP rounds? I'm not aware those are in the 37mm capacity, but my experience with the 37mm is civilian law enforcement, while my experience with the 40mm is military.

trndobrd
02-08-2007, 04:52 PM
000 is 9mm and there are about 6 pellets an ounce, how many ounces of 9mm lead do you think you can get in 12 gauge load? 15? ozark math > nothing I guess.


There are 12 pellets in my 3" mag shells loaded with 00 buck. I would guess 9 pellets of 000 would be a normal load.

Size Nominal diameter Pellets/oz
000 .36" (9.1 mm) 6
00 .33" (8.4 mm) 8
0 .32" (8.1 mm) 9
1 .30" (7.6 mm) 10
2 .27" (6.9 mm) 15
3 .25" (6.4 mm) 18
4 .24" (6 mm) 21

trndobrd
02-08-2007, 05:01 PM
what a pic of your dildo's, ha

green and yellow are gas, white probably the WP, marking and burning smoke, I'm not reckonizing most of them, some look like dummy rounds (training)

but you are suggesting that a few of them are HEDP rounds? I'm not aware those are in the 37mm capacity, but my experience with the 37mm is civilian law enforcement, while my experience with the 40mm is military.


The original pic is an M32 multiple grenade laucher (MGL). It is 40mm. The rounds pictured include the gold HEDP with twice the kill radius of the old M203 rounds. It has the usual assortment of flares, a mini-cam on a parachute that can be fired over enemy positions, and a special thermobaric round.

http://www.defensereview.com/article749.html

HMc
02-08-2007, 05:02 PM
you're all so concerned about bullets going through walls ? wtf do you build houses with? plaster? Over here we use double brick

trndobrd
02-08-2007, 05:05 PM
you're all so concerned about bullets going through walls ? wtf do you build houses with? plaster? Over here we use double brick


No way a boomerang is going to go through brick.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 05:06 PM
There are 12 pellets in my 3" mag shells loaded with 00 buck. I would guess 9 pellets of 000 would be a normal load.

Size Nominal diameter Pellets/oz
000 .36" (9.1 mm) 6
00 .33" (8.4 mm) 8
0 .32" (8.1 mm) 9
1 .30" (7.6 mm) 10
2 .27" (6.9 mm) 15
3 .25" (6.4 mm) 18
4 .24" (6 mm) 21


here we go, someone finally looked it up. so about 1.5 ounces of load for a magnium, so this would be about the max, BTW, some states have laws on ammunition, and such, should always be wise to find out that you are in the legal limits for home protection. Unless you load your own and cheat the system some.

so, 9 pellets of 9mm, 12 pellets of 8.4mm, and 22 pellets of 6.9mm pellets. You know I may have to go back to the range and test the magnums, with number three and four buck, for my money I want to do some destruction without worry that the rounds can penetrate more than one or two walls. I have kids in the house too to worry about. That was my original suggestion agianst the 00 and 000 buck, plus to throw a few more pieces of lead (or steel in many buck loads, but lets not get this thread bumped to the DC forum if we start to debate this too much).

88TG88
02-08-2007, 05:08 PM
The original pic is an M32 multiple grenade laucher (MGL). It is 40mm. The rounds pictured include the gold HEDP with twice the kill radius of the old M203 rounds. It has the usual assortment of flares, a mini-cam on a parachute that can be fired over enemy positions, and a special thermobaric round.


ya what he said

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 05:09 PM
you all searched quite a while to confirm your stories, I went off of memory and wasn't too far off. I'm proud of myself, [/self-pat on back]

Sam Hall
02-08-2007, 05:11 PM
No AK47 option?

HMc
02-08-2007, 05:15 PM
http://www.pcmanias.com/upload/ut2-flak-cannon_mini.jpg

trndobrd
02-08-2007, 05:16 PM
you all searched quite a while to confirm your stories, I went off of memory and wasn't too far off. I'm proud of myself, [/self-pat on back]


Memory should have told you that the gold topped rounds are HEDP and only comes in 40mm, not civilian 37mm.

trndobrd
02-08-2007, 05:19 PM
No AK47 option?


Automatic rifle.....same category as SKS, etc. I didn't feel like making a category for each and every make and chambering. Just more interested in general philosophy.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 05:22 PM
this is starting to take on a who would you rather f - jessica alba or simpson? - look to it.

so do you prefer blonde or brunette? gotta run

88TG88
02-08-2007, 05:27 PM
Just more interested in general philosophy.
in my neighborhood if ur being brglarized at night they are not coming in empty handed. i dont think any of the other golf club type options would scare them so i voted for shotgun. in california (IIRC) there is a law that u can use deadly force if you life is in danger so i would shoot to kill

PastorMikH
02-08-2007, 05:35 PM
If I were in the case where I actually had to defend my family against an intruder and a gun were necesary, I would probably pull out one of the 357 magnums from the safe beside the bed. Of course there are numerous selections, but the 357s actually have ammo in the safe with the guns. As for the choice of 357s, the S&W loads easier but I can point and shoot the Ruger without actually taking time to aim (And hit a can at 15-20 yards more often than not).

Bwana
02-08-2007, 05:37 PM
Memory should have told you that the gold topped rounds are HEDP and only comes in 40mm, not civilian 37mm.

How dare you question the weapons master!! Little Rambo want to be won't be pleased. :holdman:

Jets2k5
02-08-2007, 05:40 PM
A 12 gauge shotgun provides maximum stopping power. But, you still need to aim. The below pic shows how different loads pattern - the distance was 12 feet.

Remington Managed Recoil Buckshot, 8- 00 pellets.
Hornady 00 Buckshot LM.
Estate S.W.A.T., 9 pellets of 00 Buckshot.
Remington Premier, 3" Magnum, 15 nickeled-plated pellets. (My personal home load)

http://www.theboxotruth.com/images/20-4.jpg

Bwana
02-08-2007, 05:41 PM
A 12 gauge shotgun provides maximum stopping power. But, you still need to aim. The below pic shows how different loads pattern - the distance was 12 feet.

Remington Managed Recoil Buckshot, 8- 00 pellets.
Hornady 00 Buckshot LM.
Estate S.W.A.T., 9 pellets of 00 Buckshot.
Remington Premier, 3" Magnum, 15 nickeled-plated pellets. (My personal home load)

Ding fricken ding!!

Even Crazycoffee AKA Little Rambo, should be able to figure it out now. ROFL

Fish
02-08-2007, 05:42 PM
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5967/m16a2cfmt3.jpg

The mine is approximately 4 inches in diameter, 7-5/8 inches in height with the fuse installed, and weighs 7-7/8 pounds. Pressure of between 8 and 20 pounds acting on one or more of the three prongs of the fuse, or pull of between 3 and 10 pounds on a tripwire attached to the release, will activate the mine.

:hmmm:

Bwana
02-08-2007, 06:06 PM
HMc, Dude, a smaller picture is our friend.

Frazod
02-08-2007, 06:07 PM
HMc, Dude, a smaller picture is our friend.

I love my new widescreen monitor. Big pictures don't f#ck with me anymore.

crazycoffey
02-08-2007, 06:29 PM
Memory should have told you that the gold topped rounds are HEDP and only comes in 40mm, not civilian 37mm.


why did my comments piss you off so much, man, everyone needs to chill abit, I was only sharing my opinions, not trying to make you all feel worthless in some way.


Bwana too, sh*t man, I was only talking a now I'm somehow lil rambo????


OK, time to evacuate this thread, postion being over run. Gooks in the wire!

Bwana
02-08-2007, 06:29 PM
I love my new widescreen monitor. Big pictures don't f#ck with me anymore.

Widescreen? Damn Tim, you are the man.

Cochise
02-08-2007, 06:35 PM
ROFL

Bwana and Mo don't know anything about guns...

You can tell he's new.

DaFace
02-08-2007, 06:36 PM
I killed a man with a trident.

Bwana
02-08-2007, 06:38 PM
I killed a man with a trident.

Just to watch him die?

Cntrygal
02-08-2007, 06:44 PM
If you wound them, they could sue you/press charges and YOU could go to jail.

I'm for a bit of gene pool cleansing....

trndobrd
02-08-2007, 07:01 PM
Just to watch him die?


You're thinking of that time you went to Reno.

trndobrd
02-08-2007, 07:14 PM
If I were in the case where I actually had to defend my family against an intruder and a gun were necesary, I would probably pull out one of the 357 magnums from the safe beside the bed. Of course there are numerous selections, but the 357s actually have ammo in the safe with the guns. As for the choice of 357s, the S&W loads easier but I can point and shoot the Ruger without actually taking time to aim (And hit a can at 15-20 yards more often than not).


That's what my wife has under her side of the bed. Not to imply that a .357 is 'girly", rather, that it is easy to shoot, reliable, and is one of the most effective cartridges going.

PinkFloyd
02-08-2007, 07:15 PM
None does better than my 170 pound St. Bernard...

He knows what the words yes and no mean...

If that fails --- which I'm sure it wouldn't --- I have 7 handguns and 12 rifles all within a seconds reach in the home...

Yes; even in the bathroom...


All well hidden and most all locked up...

HMc
02-08-2007, 07:29 PM
The land of the free and the home of the paranoid

scott free
02-08-2007, 07:40 PM
I just installed a Bas Rutten, so i'm covered.

Halfcan
02-08-2007, 07:49 PM
I don't own any guns.

PastorMikH
02-08-2007, 10:58 PM
That's what my wife has under her side of the bed. Not to imply that a .357 is 'girly", rather, that it is easy to shoot, reliable, and is one of the most effective cartridges going.



Some of my handloads might be a bit much for a lady. (Some of my handloads can be a bit much for a guy - it sure is funny though to load up a bunch of light 38 specials with one mag in the cylinder and let someone shoot away though).:)

ChiefFan31
02-08-2007, 11:19 PM
Where is the option for some good ol fashioned liberal appeasement? that option would surely work :)

I dunno, I have a bat behind my front door. Don't own a gun yet. I always wanted to wait until I got my own place. That finally happened, but haven't got around to it.