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shaneo69
02-09-2007, 09:30 PM
GRETZ: Chiefs Questions Part 2
Feb 09, 2007, 1:13:12 AM by Bob Gretz

The Chiefs defense improved in 2006. But thereís still plenty of ground to make up to get that unit at the level that Herm Edwards expects. On the special teams, there are several questions that must be answered in this off-season, including one big one.

How can the Chiefs generate a pass rush from the middle of their defensive line?
This defense has two good pass rushers coming off the edge in Jared Allen and Tamba Hali. Linebacker Derrick Johnson also produced 4.5 sacks from the outside.

They had no pressure coming from the middle. Chiefs defensive tackles James Reed and Ron Edwards produced just 3.5 sacks on the season. The teamís defensive backs produced five sacks.

Outside pass rushers like Allen, Hali and Johnson should create sacks for the guys inside, and vice-a-versa. But that didnít happen with the Chiefs. They finished the season with 32 sacks. Correlation or not, in their seven losses the Chiefs had a total of six sacks.

A defensive tackle that can generate push in the middle of the pocked would have to rank at the top of the Chiefs wish list for 2007.

How can the Chiefs defense improve its production at linebacker?
At one outside spot, they have a good player in Johnson. The only thing that slowed him down was a sprained ankle that cost him playing time. Kawika Mitchell holds down the middle, but heís also soon to be an unrestricted free agent. Although he led the team in tackles last year with 118, the Chiefs will not overpay to keep Mitchell.

Even if they do work out a deal with Mitchell, thereís talk about moving him to the outside.

Right now, the Chiefs need a third linebacker to join those two, whether itís outside or in the middle (if Mitchell moves.) In two seasons, Kendrell Bell has shown heís not the answer and given his first significant playing time, Keyaron Fox did nothing to convince the Chiefs that heís the answer.

Whatís the future at cornerback?
If the Chiefs keep Ty Law on the roster, along with Pat Surtain, would give them one of the oldest cornerback duos in the league. Law will be 33 during the 2007 season and Surtain will be 31 years old. There are no reliable backups. Benny Sapp is a contributor, but more for his blitzing and ability to disrupt at the line of scrimmage than anything in coverage. Lenny Walls is in the mold of Eric Warfield: some physical gifts, but those are overshadowed by his inconsistency.

Whether they address it this year or next, the Chiefs must move some talented young cornerbacks into the pipeline.

Has Danteís Inferno flamed out?
There are questions on the special teams side involving kicker Lawrence Tynes and snapper Kendall Gammon. But the biggest question that must be answered by the Chiefs this year is the future of Dante Hall.

In the 2006 season, he was a non-factor in the offense, with just 29 touches and only 215 yards. Those are the lowest totals in the last five seasons.

On returners, Hall struggled all season. He hit a 60-yard punt return for a touchdown in the third game of the season against San Francisco. On 53 kickoff returns, he had just three over 40 yards and no touchdowns. His 22.8-yard average was his lowest on kickoff returns in the last five years.

Hall had problems dealing with the new coaching staff and approach to the kicking game. Under Dick Vermeil, Hall was one of the head coachís favored sons and the feeling was mutual. It was Vermeil that pumped life into Hallís career back in 2001 when he took over the team. Hall was pretty much allowed to handle the returns as he wished. That wasnít the case in Ď06, when he got extra scrutiny every time he ran away from the wedge, or made poor decisions on whether to return the football.

Right now, the Chiefs and Hall have to decide if they have a future together. Hall is not an ascending player. If he can adapt to how Herm Edwards and his staff are handling the special teams, thereís a chance he can still be effective. If not, it may be time to part ways.


The opinions offered in this column do not necessarily reflect those of Carl Peterson.

Extra Point
02-09-2007, 09:55 PM
Chicken Little write this?

"The opinions offered in this column do not necessarily reflect those of Carl Peterson."

"The opinions offered in this column were really so obvious that the column was not really worth reading."

SNR
02-09-2007, 10:04 PM
If you look at the wedge blocking the Bears' special teams unit does, it's no wonder why Hester is so damn successful. The problem isn't Hall, it's just piss-poor execution and blocking on special teams.

Thing is I don't trust Preiffer or any other coach on this current staff to fix that problem in one season. I'm all for dumping Hall in favor for a super fast guy who will just flat out take what's given to him and hit the gaps as hard as he can. We may not be able to make big plays anymore, but at least we can avoid dumb mistakes.

Halfcan
02-09-2007, 10:07 PM
NEWS FLASH!! not

Easy 6
02-09-2007, 10:12 PM
NEWS FLASH!! not

Yeah really, thanks for that insight that i can get here day & night Bob.

The off-season is just the flat out rock bottom.

Is it time to draft yet???

Halfcan
02-09-2007, 10:21 PM
lol and with Carl already making his annual-"we are not going to be agressive in FA speech" I dont see much to talk about-lol

Fish
02-10-2007, 01:18 AM
Jeff Webb!

crazycoffey
02-10-2007, 03:05 AM
I'd hate to say I agree with him, so it's a good thing I don't.

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 05:57 AM
lol and with Carl already making his annual-"we are not going to be agressive in FA speech" I dont see much to talk about-lol

There's actually an entire thread about it.

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 05:58 AM
I'd hate to say I agree with him, so it's a good thing I don't.

You don't agree that we need help at LB, two new DT's, and a young CB?

:hmmm:

crazycoffey
02-10-2007, 07:47 AM
You don't agree that we need help at LB, two new DT's, and a young CB?

:hmmm:



I meant more about Dante's flame. But actually LB wasn't our problem on D - our DT positions were, and our Offensive three and outs didn't help them.

Yes we need youth at CB we have a couple that Herm can probably do something with, or add to.

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 07:52 AM
I meant more about Dante's flame. But actually LB wasn't our problem on D - our DT positions were, and our Offensive three and outs didn't help them.

Yes we need youth at CB we have a couple that Herm can probably do something with, or add to.

You don't think Kendrell Bell is a problem on D?

crazycoffey
02-10-2007, 07:57 AM
You don't think Kendrell Bell is a problem on D?


He's not a "problem" he is adequate and not a glaring gaping hole on D, IMO
the problem with bell is we paid for his potential and he didn't live up to it.


remember the joke about potentially and reality? The young boy asks his father the difference and he tells his son to ask his mom if she'd sleep with Robert Redford for a Million dollars and his sister if she'd sleep with Brad Pitt for a million.

The boy came back with a yes from both women and the Dad says; "there's you answer, POTENTIALLY we're millionaires, but in REALITY we live with a couple whores."

Mr. Laz
02-10-2007, 10:01 AM
If you look at the wedge blocking the Bears' special teams unit does, it's no wonder why Hester is so damn successful. The problem isn't Hall, it's just piss-poor execution and blocking on special teams.
disagree ....... Hall is part of the problem


he doesn't put much pressure on the coverage team to hold the middle of the field. Opposing coverage unit know that they just have to maintain containment and not let Hall's dancing pull them out of their lanes.

Hall is afraid of the big hit and it has taken away part of the return game.

tk13
02-10-2007, 11:18 AM
I don't think our ST blocking is anywhere near as good as the Bears. Not even close. Every time we have a punt return, Dante is facing a 1-on-3 situation it seems like. He probably does dance too much on kick returns, but on punt returns our blocking is always terrible, it's almost like we aren't blocking anybody. Go watch some of the punt returns from this season, you'll see Dante have to take on two or three guys. I'd bet if you gave him Devin Hester's blocking you'd see some action.

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 01:22 PM
He's not a "problem" he is adequate and not a glaring gaping hole on D, IMO
the problem with bell is we paid for his potential and he didn't live up to it.


remember the joke about potentially and reality? The young boy asks his father the difference and he tells his son to ask his mom if she'd sleep with Robert Redford for a Million dollars and his sister if she'd sleep with Brad Pitt for a million.

The boy came back with a yes from both women and the Dad says; "there's you answer, POTENTIALLY we're millionaires, but in REALITY we live with a couple whores."

Wow. I think it's obvious to anyone with eyes that Bell not only sucks, but is only going to get worse as the Cover 2 asks him to cover people more and more.

BigChiefFan
02-10-2007, 01:25 PM
I love how the organization lays the ground work for what could and most likely will happen this off-season. Carl and his goons have become comical. New blood, please.

Sounds like Dante, Mitchell and possibly one of our starting CBs could easily be gone. Gretz always is the first to "suggest possibilities". Then Carl delivers the boom. Same old, same old. These clowns need some new material.

Easy 6
02-10-2007, 01:25 PM
I think Bell can still thump, he started to show that again towards the end of the year.

The problem is that's about all he can do, he's not nearly versatile enough for what were asking.

He needs to be inside in a 3-4, a team like the Pats would be a MUCH better fit for him.

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 01:26 PM
I love how the organization lays the ground work for what could and most likely will happen this off-season. Carl and his goons have become comical. New blood, please.

Sounds like Dante, Mitchell and possibly one of our starting CBs could easily be gone. Gretz always is the first to "suggest possibilities". Then Carl delivers the boom. Same old, same old. These clowns need some new material.

Several people here have been clamoring for getting rid of Dante and Mitchell, and several more have been suggesting we get a younger CB.

So, does this make the majority of Planeteers "clowns" as well?

BigChiefFan
02-10-2007, 01:29 PM
Several people here have been clamoring for getting rid of Dante and Mitchell, and several more have been suggesting we get a younger CB.

So, does this make the majority of Planeteers "clowns" as well?
Only you. :)

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 01:31 PM
Only you. :)

I've just grown really tired of the anti-Gretz crowd here.

1) The ONLY people even POSTING Gretz' useless crap are the ANTI-GRETZ PEOPLE. WTF?!?!?

2) People have continually, over the last few days, criticized Gretz for saying the SAME DAMN THINGS we've been saying for months. Again, it's a mind-boggling double-standard.

If he's really that much of a "clown", IGNORE HIM.

Mr. Laz
02-10-2007, 01:35 PM
I've just grown really tired of the anti-Gretz crowd here
c'mon, lets' be honest ... you're tired of just about everyone around here.

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 01:36 PM
c'mon, lets' be honest ... you're tired of just about everyone around here.

Actually, I'm not tired of you. :D

Easy 6
02-10-2007, 01:37 PM
2) People have continually, over the last few days, criticized Gretz for saying the SAME DAMN THINGS we've been saying for months. Again, it's a mind-boggling double-standard.



I guess that i just expect more out of a professional journalist than making the same points (often not as eloquently) as average joe's here at the board.

I expect a guy with his access & experience to be able to tell me something i didnt already know.

He could dig deeper if he tried IMO.

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 01:40 PM
I guess that i just expect more out of a professional journalist than making the same points (often not as eloquently) as average joe's here at the board.

I expect a guy with his access & experience to be able to tell me something i didnt already know.

He could dig deeper if he tried IMO.

Bob Gretz is NOT a journalist. He's writes what are essentially EDITORIALS and he's employed BY THE TEAM.

Why would you expect more out of him? He's doing his job and he's doing it quite well, considering how much people talk about him around here.

Mr. Laz
02-10-2007, 01:44 PM
Actually, I'm not tired of you. :D
just cause you enjoy the way i nag the hell outa ya.




i feel like a woman :p

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 01:46 PM
just cause you enjoy the way i nag the hell outa ya.




i feel like a woman :p

TMI!!! TMI!!!

nah-nah-nah-I can't hear you!

BigChiefFan
02-10-2007, 01:47 PM
I've just grown really tired of the anti-Gretz crowd here.

1) The ONLY people even POSTING Gretz' useless crap are the ANTI-GRETZ PEOPLE. WTF?!?!?

2) People have continually, over the last few days, criticized Gretz for saying the SAME DAMN THINGS we've been saying for months. Again, it's a mind-boggling double-standard.

If he's really that much of a "clown", IGNORE HIM.
I haven't really posted or lurked on the planet much in recent months, so I don't know what has transpired with the anti-Gretz crowd, but after reading Gretz countless drivel I can easily understand anyone who sees through that and says so.

Carl and company's act has wore thin. The proof is in the pudding in the SHOW-ME-STATE and Carl hasn't delivered with ample amount of time to get the job done. Carl needs to be shown the door. Besides the Lions and Cardinals, I can't think of a worst modern day playoff team than the Chiefs. At some point the man in charge needs to be held accountable. A decade without a playoff win and he's still gainfully employed? There's the sham.

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 01:50 PM
I haven't really posted or lurked on the planet much in recent months, so I don't know what has transpired with the anti-Gretz crowd, but after reading Gretz countless drivel I can easily understand anyone who sees through that and says so.

Carl and company's act has wore thin. The proof is in the pudding in the SHOW-ME-STATE and Carl hasn't delivered with ample amount of time to get the job done. Carl needs to be shown the door. Besides the Lions and Cardinals, I can't think of a worst modern day playoff team than the Chiefs. At some point the man in charge needs to be held accountable. A decade without a playoff win and he's still gainfully employed? There's the sham.

I have only one question:

WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY WOULD YOU BE READING "GRETZ' COUNTLESS DRIVEL" IF YOU:

1) ALREADY KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO SAY?

2) CAN'T FUGGIN STAND HIM?

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. The only people reading his shit are his detractors. The people that hate him so much are keeping him employed.

BigChiefFan
02-10-2007, 01:54 PM
I have only one question:

WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY WOULD YOU BE READING "GRETZ' COUNTLESS DRIVEL" IF YOU:

1) ALREADY KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO SAY?

2) CAN'T FUGGIN STAND HIM?

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. The only people reading his shit are his detractors. The people that hate him so much are keeping him employed.
I only read it on the planet. :)

What can I say? I'd rather read shitty football articles than than most of the other headline topics of the day. Besides that-It's fun to see how Gretz really takes everything he writes so seriously when he's such a ****ing windbag. It's pure comedy.

htismaqe
02-10-2007, 01:55 PM
I only read it on the planet. :)

What can I say? I'd rather read shitty football articles than than most of the other headline topics of the day. Besides that-It's fun to see how Gretz really takes everything he writes so seriously when he's such a ****ing windbag. It's pure comedy.

OK, I guess I can forgive that. At least you're not incrementing the hit counter at KCCrap.com.

Tribal Warfare
02-10-2007, 03:24 PM
You don't agree that we need help at LB, two new DT's, and a young CB?




don't forget the WR position too