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Archie F. Swin
02-12-2007, 07:03 PM
ESPN reporting

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:04 PM
Ouch.

FAX

ChiefFripp
02-12-2007, 07:04 PM
Are you pulling our collective lariat?

the Talking Can
02-12-2007, 07:04 PM
no f'n way....AFTER they let both coordinators walk????


retards

Donger
02-12-2007, 07:04 PM
No sh*t?

the Talking Can
02-12-2007, 07:05 PM
just saw it on espn

recxjake
02-12-2007, 07:05 PM
wow.

recxjake
02-12-2007, 07:05 PM
This is great news for the Chiefs!

ChiefFripp
02-12-2007, 07:05 PM
Do the have Tanner's in San Diego?

the Talking Can
02-12-2007, 07:06 PM
man....some epic backstage drama in the Chargers franchise...I wonder if the coordinators left because of marty...

Archie F. Swin
02-12-2007, 07:06 PM
thats what 14 wins do for you!

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:06 PM
On Espn right now!!! Nice to see the Chargers wise up! Now if the Chiefs would follow suit?

Good Bye Marty, You were and always will be a chock artist...

F*ck off you worthless assclown...

JohninGpt
02-12-2007, 07:06 PM
What a loser, he's been fired more times than I have.
Actually, that's pretty brutal after a 14-2 season.

DaneMcCloud
02-12-2007, 07:07 PM
man....some epic backstage drama in the Chargers franchise...I wonder if the coordinators left because of marty...

Phillips & Cameron left because they were hired as head coaches, not because of Marty.

JBucc
02-12-2007, 07:07 PM
They should hire Herm! We'll take a fourth for him.

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:07 PM
I just turned on ESPN and they had a picture of Marty, but the sound was turned down and I didn't know what they were saying.

That's my report.

FAX

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:07 PM
thats what 14 wins do for you!


Um no that is not it, That is what a 5-13 Career playoff record gets you..

You dont Choke that many opportunites away before people look at you for the fraud you are...

Nzoner
02-12-2007, 07:07 PM
wow just wow

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:08 PM
They should hire Herm! We'll take a fourth for him.


Hell we will give them our 4th to take him!

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:09 PM
It really doesn't make much sense unless they actually believe in the Marty post-season curse.

FAX

JBucc
02-12-2007, 07:09 PM
Pretty dumb to do this after all the good coaches are already gone, including their coordinators.

bogie
02-12-2007, 07:09 PM
zowie!

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:10 PM
It really doesn't make much sense unless they actually believe in the Marty post-season curse.

FAX


You really have to ask that or think that FAX???

if it was for Montana, good ol marty would be a smashing playoff record of 3-12....

the record speaks for itself....

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:11 PM
Pretty dumb to do this after all the good coaches are already gone, including their coordinators.


Could be the reason.. realizing that all the brains behind the team were gone, might as well cut the only dead weight left.

ChiefFripp
02-12-2007, 07:11 PM
They just can't figure out why that team didn't go all the way and are looking for scapegoats. Unless they know somebody out there already in mind to replace him...Cowher?

Dr. Facebook Fever
02-12-2007, 07:11 PM
What a loser, he's been fired more times than I have.
Actually, that's pretty brutal after a 14-2 season.
Yea... I guess his post season reputation has finally caught up with him.

Coach
02-12-2007, 07:12 PM
Wow....

SnakeXJones
02-12-2007, 07:12 PM
Guess they got sick of the "Just one more year" shit

ChiefFripp
02-12-2007, 07:14 PM
I bet that sends a shiver down the spines of all the losing coaches out there.

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:14 PM
You really have to ask that or think that FAX???

if it was for Montana, good ol marty would be a smashing playoff record of 3-12....

the record speaks for itself....

I think I wrote that a little backwards, Mr. Reerun_KC.

What I meant to say was that, after such a stellar season, they had to believe Marty's post-season curse was so real that they had no choice but to send him packing.

FAX

C-Mac
02-12-2007, 07:14 PM
Yea... I guess his post season reputation has finally caught up with him.

Marty Mora?

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:14 PM
They just can't figure out why that team didn't go all the way and are looking for scapegoats. Unless they know somebody out there already in mind to replace him...Cowher?

Double ouch.

FAX

DJJasonp
02-12-2007, 07:15 PM
this the most idiotic move the chargers organization could possibly do....

And I'm happy as hell about it!

Welcome back to mediocrity San Diego!

ChiefsCountry
02-12-2007, 07:15 PM
Sweet San Diego is going to suck next year. Welcome back to Raiderland Chargers.

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:15 PM
I think I wrote that a little backwards, Mr. Reerun_KC.

What I meant to say was that, after such a stellar season, they had to believe Marty's post-season curse was so real that they had no choice but to send him packing.

FAX


Its cool, I didnt mean anything by it...

They should of sent him packing and kept Cam Cameron as HC. Would of been the best move, most likely?

cdcox
02-12-2007, 07:15 PM
The Chargers still have a ton of talent, but a young QB that still has some warts. Learning a new system isn't going to help him at this stage of his career. And the turmoil of this off season is going to mess with the psyche of the whole team. We should get a one year bounce out of this, maybe more if they make a bad hire. Too bad we still suck.

Nzoner
02-12-2007, 07:16 PM
Put BucknKaeding on suicide watch

Coach
02-12-2007, 07:16 PM
No, I doubt Cowher will want to go way out west. It'll probably be one of the other team's coordinators (Ron Rivera?)

What I can't imagine is if they're regretting of both Phillips and Cameron walking away.

Easy 6
02-12-2007, 07:17 PM
This is just da besses news EVAH.

RED ALERT: TEAM IN TURMOIL.

TRIPLE HIGH FIVE!!!

C-Mac
02-12-2007, 07:17 PM
Sweet San Diego is going to suck next year. Welcome back to Raiderland Chargers.

SanDiego is full of good young talent, they will have to try hard to be that bad.

Count Zarth
02-12-2007, 07:17 PM
This might actually be good for the Chargers.

siberian khatru
02-12-2007, 07:17 PM
WTF? Didn't they hash this all out a month ago?

Now they've changed their mind? Sheesh.

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:18 PM
SanDiego is full of good young talent, they will have to try hard to be that bad.


We have are closer to raiderland than the Chargers are..

We might need to look in the mirror, they are getting a new coach and we still have Carl and Herm...

They at least have hope...

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:18 PM
SanDiego is full of good young talent, they will have to try hard to be that bad.

Agreed, Mr. C-Mac.

Still, they've lost practically their entire coaching staff. That's a lot of change for any organization to absorb.

FAX

C-Mac
02-12-2007, 07:19 PM
Its now mentioned on the front page of ESPN, no details yet.
http://espn.go.com/

Dr. Facebook Fever
02-12-2007, 07:19 PM
This might actually be good for the Chargers.
If they hire someone like Cowher I agree.

Easy 6
02-12-2007, 07:19 PM
It'll probably be one of the other team's coordinators (Ron Rivera?)



I'm not sure what experience he has with a 3-4, but that still seems like the logical, D minded choice.

Woodrow Call
02-12-2007, 07:20 PM
Carroll maybe?

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:22 PM
Carroll maybe?


Why would he want to leave USC?

Man he has that place rolling and SoCal eating out of the palm of his hand... I wouldnt leave that gig for the NFL.... But who knows?

JBucc
02-12-2007, 07:23 PM
Carroll maybe?
Houston Nutt!!!!!1111

Woodrow Call
02-12-2007, 07:24 PM
Why would he want to leave USC?

Man he has that place rolling and SoCal eating out of the palm of his hand... I wouldnt leave that gig for the NFL.... But who knows?

SD would be a great place to take over if he wanted another shot. Great young talent, tons of cap space, and perfect SD weather.

I really can't see him leaving but you never know.

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:24 PM
I wonder where Schottengoner will go now?

Will this be his last coaching job? Maybe another try at the NFC?

FAX

SNR
02-12-2007, 07:25 PM
Gunther to take the reins? :hmmm:

God, that would make my day ROFL

milkman
02-12-2007, 07:25 PM
This move at this point in time is surprising.

After losing their coordinators, maybe the Chargers felt that Marty was no longer the man to lead this team now that they have inexperience at the coordinators positions.

I know I wouldn't want coordinators to cut their teeth with Marty in charge.

DaFace
02-12-2007, 07:25 PM
I thought the extended him a few weeks back...or am I crazy? :shrug:

OnTheWarpath58
02-12-2007, 07:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552

Sources close to Marty Schottenheimer and the San Diego Chargers said the coach was fired by the team Monday, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported.

Schottenheimer and Chargers general manager A.J. Smith have been having disagreements over staffing after losing a number of assistants. Dean Spanos, the team president, told Schottenheimer on Monday that it wasn't going to work between him and Smith.

Three days after the Chargers melted down in a stunning 24-21 playoff loss to New England, Spanos decided that bringing Schottenheimer back for the final year of his contract gave San Diego its best chance to win.

Schottenheimer, though, declined the team's offer of a one-year extension for 2008 worth $4.5 million, with a $1 million buyout.

"Right now, I wasn't comfortable accepting it," Schottenheimer told the Associated Press shortly after the season. He would have earned more than $3 million in 2007.

With a regular-season record of 200-126-1 with Cleveland, Kansas City, Washington and San Diego, Schottenheimer is the most successful coach never to have reached the Super Bowl.

milkman
02-12-2007, 07:27 PM
I thought the extended him a few weeks back...or am I crazy? :shrug:

They offered him a one year extension, but he turned it down.

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:27 PM
I'm pretty sure both are correct, Mr. DaFace.

FAX

tk13
02-12-2007, 07:28 PM
Well there's a shocker. Hopefully they didn't want Cameron or Phillips as their top candidate, otherwise AJ Smith is an idiot.

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:28 PM
They offered him a one year extension, but he turned it down.

Ah. Just one, then.

FAX

the Talking Can
02-12-2007, 07:28 PM
Phillips & Cameron left because they were hired as head coaches, not because of Marty.

yeah, that's my point....they wanted be the coach, and were suprised when Marty was retained....so they leave, causing panik and mayhem in the organization which thought it could make it one more year with Shittenhimher....or not....lol

Bowser
02-12-2007, 07:29 PM
Why would he want to leave USC?

Man he has that place rolling and SoCal eating out of the palm of his hand... I wouldnt leave that gig for the NFL.... But who knows?

If the NCAA hammers USC for the whole Reggie Bush thing, he might consider it.

DaFace
02-12-2007, 07:29 PM
They offered him a one year extension, but he turned it down.

Gotcha.

You have to feel for the guy. Here's a trivia question for the Planet's historians (cough...Rain Man...cough): has a coach ever been fired after a 14-win (or better) season before?

siberian khatru
02-12-2007, 07:30 PM
Well there's a shocker. Hopefully they didn't want Cameron or Phillips as their top candidate, otherwise AJ Smith is an idiot.

I don't think AJ Smith's an idiot.

Bowser
02-12-2007, 07:31 PM
I don't think AJ Smith's an idiot.

Dammit, khatru. I just read your sig lines.

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:32 PM
If the NCAA hammers USC for the whole Reggie Bush thing, he might consider it.


True, I thought of that after I posted it...

the Talking Can
02-12-2007, 07:33 PM
Well there's a shocker. Hopefully they didn't want Cameron or Phillips as their top candidate, otherwise AJ Smith is an idiot.

I think they did want Cameron, but Spanos didn't have the cajones to fire marty right after the season....then everyone bolts and he's left with nothing but the shittiest coach on the staff...just spekulating

milkman
02-12-2007, 07:35 PM
I don't think AJ Smith's an idiot.

I think the idiots here are the Spanos', who didn't allow Smith to fire Marty when he wanted to.

Now they've fired him, and put Smith in a rather difficult position.

tk13
02-12-2007, 07:36 PM
Smith has done a great job as GM, but he doesn't seem like the easiest guy to get along with, either.

Buck
02-12-2007, 07:36 PM
Thats some serious dick suckage right there. And he is a chock artist.

cdcox
02-12-2007, 07:36 PM
Marty got fired because he wanted to hire Brian as OC and Kurt as DC.

siberian khatru
02-12-2007, 07:38 PM
Dammit, khatru. I just read your sig lines.

I know, I'm a masochist.

Reerun_KC
02-12-2007, 07:38 PM
Marty got fired because he wanted to hire Brian as OC and Kurt as DC.


Talk about have a coaching staff that would be about as productive as Herm running the Colts offense...

ChiefFripp
02-12-2007, 07:40 PM
Talk about have a coaching staff that would be about as productive as Herm running the Colts offense...
you just had to bring THAT up again! This is supposed to be a happy thread.

Bowser
02-12-2007, 07:40 PM
Seriously, how do you fire a coach that's 14-2 the year before, and has won the division two of the last three years? Yeah, yeah, I know about his playoff record, but he obvviously had the team believing in him.

Not a good move. Let him flounder with two new coordinators in 2007, then give him the axe.

Simply Red
02-12-2007, 07:41 PM
Unbelievable. I really thought this was a joke at first.

crazycoffey
02-12-2007, 07:42 PM
I didn't believe it when I first read this thread a few moments ago. I had to look it up before I could read through the thread.

the Talking Can
02-12-2007, 07:42 PM
geez

ESPN just announced that Reid is taking a leave of abscence from the Eagles....dropping like flies....

Bowser
02-12-2007, 07:43 PM
geez

ESPN just announced that Reid is taking a leave of abscence from the Eagles....dropping like flies....

Heard that on the radio earlier. That has something to do with his son(s) getting into some pretty serious trouble.

Coach
02-12-2007, 07:43 PM
geez

ESPN just announced that Reid is taking a leave of abscence from the Eagles....dropping like flies....

That's been reported early this afternoon I believe.

Simply Red
02-12-2007, 07:44 PM
Heard that on the radio earlier. That has something to do with his son(s) getting into some pretty serious trouble.

yeah, like guns and drugs and stuff...

the Talking Can
02-12-2007, 07:45 PM
ah...check

Kerberos
02-12-2007, 07:45 PM
What a dream job for some LUCK BASTARD coach that gets to take over a 14-2 Team

That doesn't happen everyday in the NFL.

Who has any opinions on who they hire to replace him?

.

Rooster
02-12-2007, 07:46 PM
Bill Cowher the next coach in SD?? :hmmm:

Frazod
02-12-2007, 07:46 PM
Shit. He was the only thing keeping the Chargers from winning the Super Bowl.

:cuss:

Mile High Mania
02-12-2007, 07:46 PM
Norv Turner anyone?

cdcox
02-12-2007, 07:48 PM
Bill Cowher the next coach in SD?? :hmmm:

Cowher wants to take some time off. That's why he left Pittsburgh in the first place.

DeezNutz
02-12-2007, 07:48 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552

Sources close to Marty Schottenheimer and the San Diego Chargers said the coach was fired by the team Monday, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported.

Schottenheimer and Chargers general manager A.J. Smith have been having disagreements over staffing after losing a number of assistants. Dean Spanos, the team president, told Schottenheimer on Monday that it wasn't going to work between him and Smith.


I would have loved, loved to have been a fly on the wall to see the fight that led to this firing. No other explanation for it.

kstater
02-12-2007, 07:49 PM
IMO even though a lot of us don't like Martyball, how in the hell can you fire someone that won 14 games.
This team has a hard enough time filling seats(they made a special rule in the playoffs not selling tickets outside of the county) as it is and then you fire someone that won 14 games.
Yeah the TEAM didn't win in the playoffs, but what's to say they won't win next year.

Nzoner
02-12-2007, 07:50 PM
God forbid they get Bill Parcells,I don't think he was really ready to leave just tired of the 3 ring circus they call TO

the Talking Can
02-12-2007, 07:50 PM
I bet Cameron is pissed...he could have been the coach with a little patience...

siberian khatru
02-12-2007, 07:51 PM
I would have loved, loved to have been a fly on the wall to see the fight that led to this firing.

Same here. It must have been the Operation Rolling Thunder of F-bombs.

Rooster
02-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Cowher wants to take some time off. That's why he left Pittsburgh in the first place.

I know but stranger things have happened. Who else would you fired a coach for after 14 wins? Money talks...

cdcox
02-12-2007, 07:53 PM
God forbid they get Bill Parcells,I don't think he was really ready to leave just tired of the 3 ring circus they call TO

I could see Parcells coming back to an ideal situation such as that. If he does, just hand them the Lombardi. Not even Bellicheck could stop them.

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:55 PM
I know but stranger things have happened. Who else would you fired a coach for after 14 wins? Money talks...

True, Mr. Rooster. Plus, this is one heck of a job for someone. Young, talented team. Relatively easy division, plenty of money to spend on players. Great city.

This is the vacancy of all vacancies.

FAX

DeezNutz
02-12-2007, 07:55 PM
Same here. It must have been the Operation Rolling Thunder of F-bombs.

Yes. I'm thinking something along the lines of Chevy Chase's tirade in Christmas Vacation, but with much more proficient use of the F-Bomb.

My guess: Marty got tired of the bullsh*t, went nuts, knowing full well the ramifications of his actions. Technically a firing, but essentially a resignation.

cdcox
02-12-2007, 07:56 PM
I know but stranger things have happened. Who else would you fired a coach for after 14 wins? Money talks...

Cowher isn't the kind of guy that's motivated by money. He's got more than enough for the rest of his life. Ego, challenge, and prestige are what drives him. When he misses that enough, he'll be back to coach, maybe in a year or few. Right now he just wants to recharge his batteries and spend some time with his family.

DaneMcCloud
02-12-2007, 07:58 PM
I know but stranger things have happened. Who else would you fired a coach for after 14 wins? Money talks...

Cowher's got plenty of money and besides that, his youngest daughter is in high school in N.C. and his other daughters are in college. He wants to spend some quality time with them, so Cowher to S.D. doesn't make much sense.

The Spanos family has been notoriously cheap, so I don't think they'd spend the necessary to even lure Pete Carroll.

milkman
02-12-2007, 07:58 PM
I could see Parcells coming back to an ideal situation such as that. If he does, just hand them the Lombardi. Not even Bellicheck could stop them.

I don't know about that.

Parcells hasn't won anything without Bellichick, and his teams without Bellichick have been fairly mediocre.

Extra Point
02-12-2007, 07:58 PM
Al Saunders

Heir Coryell!

Fruit Ninja
02-12-2007, 07:59 PM
I dont see how this is good for the Chargers, regardless of his lack of post season success, he built that damn team. He may be a choker in the play offs, but he knows how to build teams. I bet they are worse next year.

FAX
02-12-2007, 07:59 PM
Al Saunders

Heir Coryell!

There's a thought.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
02-12-2007, 08:00 PM
There's a thought.

FAX

Do you really think they'd re-hire Saunders?

cdcox
02-12-2007, 08:01 PM
The Spanos family has been notoriously cheap...

milkman
02-12-2007, 08:01 PM
I dont see how this is good for the Chargers, regardless of his lack of post season success, he built that damn team. He may be a choker in the play offs, but he knows how to build teams. I bet they are worse next year.

He knows how to build a defense, but he's never shown an ability to build the kind of offense the Chargers have.

That team was built by John Butler and AJ Smith.

Marty just managed the product.

Extra Point
02-12-2007, 08:01 PM
Do you really think they'd re-hire Saunders?

Can Tomlinson throw the ball?

kstater
02-12-2007, 08:04 PM
I dont see how this is good for the Chargers, regardless of his lack of post season success, he built that damn team. He may be a choker in the play offs, but he knows how to build teams. I bet they are worse next year.

That's an understatement...even with Marty, it would be tough to even come close to matching 14 wins...back to my original post, how can you fire someone with 14 wins?? If Herm on 14 games, everyone on here would be all over him, even if he lost in the playoffs.

Rooster
02-12-2007, 08:04 PM
I don't know this is so friggin huge... Hell, with that team I could go 9-7. I'm just so confused as to if the plan was to fire Marty why not do it sooner and keep Cam.

Someone is out there lurking we aren't thinking of.

Spott
02-12-2007, 08:05 PM
Getting fired after basically going 14-2 with a rookie QB is pretty tough. Part of it is his fault, but I truly think that he is just jinxed.

Rooster
02-12-2007, 08:06 PM
Cowher's got plenty of money and besides that, his youngest daughter is in high school in N.C. and his other daughters are in college. He wants to spend some quality time with them, so Cowher to S.D. doesn't make much sense.

The Spanos family has been notoriously cheap, so I don't think they'd spend the necessary to even lure Pete Carroll.

You make great points. I know he is a family guy who loves his girls very much. I just can't imagine firing a guy who won 14 games. Very strange situation.

Skip Towne
02-12-2007, 08:06 PM
On Espn right now!!! Nice to see the Chargers wise up! Now if the Chiefs would follow suit?

Good Bye Marty, You were and always will be a chock artist...

F*ck off you worthless assclown...
This from a dude too stupid to spell choke. Well, he can't spell rerun either so what could we expect?

siberian khatru
02-12-2007, 08:08 PM
I don't know this is so friggin huge... Hell, with that team I could go 9-7. I'm just so confused as to if the plan was to fire Marty why not do it sooner and keep Cam.

Someone is out there lurking we aren't thinking of.

I don't think there was a plan. I'd bet on the speculation that Marty and Smith couldn't agree on the coordinators who would replace Wade and Cam. If those guys are still there, Marty survives. But Marty went to Smith and said he wanted his brother and his son and Jimmy Raye and Paul Hackett and God knows who else on his staff, and Smith said "**** this shit."

PastorMikH
02-12-2007, 08:09 PM
He was the only thing keeping the Chargers from winning the Super Bowl.

:cuss:


Heh, without him, maybe their regular season record won't be good enough.



I wonder if Jerry Jones will fire Phillips now to go after Marty?

milkman
02-12-2007, 08:09 PM
I don't know this is so friggin huge... Hell, with that team I could go 9-7. I'm just so confused as to if the plan was to fire Marty why not do it sooner and keep Cam.

Someone is out there lurking we aren't thinking of.

They never planned to fire Marty.

He and AJ Smith have never gotten along, and it probably came to a head when Marty was trying to replace his coordinators, and the Spanos' finally had to can him.

Rooster
02-12-2007, 08:10 PM
I don't think there was a plan. I'd bet on the speculation that Marty and Smith couldn't agree on the coordinators who would replace Wade and Cam. If those guys are still there, Marty survives. But Marty went to Smith and said he wanted his brother and his son and Jimmy Raye and Paul Hackett and God knows who else on his staff, and Smith said "**** this shit."

You might be right. As Chiefs fans we should all say a prayer tonight for Dennis Green. :)

mcan
02-12-2007, 08:11 PM
Too bad Dick Vermeil didn't stay one more year. I'd have liked for Marty to come back here and rekindle some of our past success. I think Marty has gotten to be a much better coach since his experience with San Diego. He's not quite as conservative, and he relegates authority to his coordinators better. Something that Vermeil was also very good about.

cdcox
02-12-2007, 08:20 PM
Too bad Dick Vermeil didn't stay one more year. I'd have liked for Marty to come back here and rekindle some of our past success. I think Marty has gotten to be a much better coach since his experience with San Diego. He's not quite as conservative, and he relegates authority to his coordinators better. Something that Vermeil was also very good about.

:shake:

Sure-Oz
02-12-2007, 08:22 PM
wow SD is imploding, pretty stupid after losing all their coordinators, jeez!

Coach
02-12-2007, 08:23 PM
The players have to be looking at this and wondering what the hells going on. Unless Marty was dating Lorenzo Neal's wife.

Tribal Warfare
02-12-2007, 08:29 PM
I wonder where Schottengoner will go now?





Dallas?

milkman
02-12-2007, 08:29 PM
Dallas?

ESPN.

SLAG
02-12-2007, 08:30 PM
i heard they fired him because he wanted to hire Jimmy Rae and Paul Hackett

Spott
02-12-2007, 08:32 PM
As much as I would like to see Marty torture Dallas fans, it would never happen. He would never coach for a jackass owner like Jerry Jones, nor would he put up with TO.

Deberg_1990
02-12-2007, 08:33 PM
Scheffler just reported on NFL Network that Marty wanted to bring in his brother Kurt.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


At least Spanos had the balls to say **** that!

ChiefsCountry
02-12-2007, 08:34 PM
As much as I would like to see Marty torture Dallas fans, it would never happen. He would never coach for a jackass owner like Jerry Jones, nor would he put up with TO.

Hmm he did work for Snyder in Washington and some of the turds he signed for us plus with Merriman, he has worked with head cases before.

Deberg_1990
02-12-2007, 08:34 PM
Dick Vermeil to the Bolts?????? Id bet he would win it all if he went there...

FringeNC
02-12-2007, 08:36 PM
I don't think there was a plan. I'd bet on the speculation that Marty and Smith couldn't agree on the coordinators who would replace Wade and Cam. If those guys are still there, Marty survives. But Marty went to Smith and said he wanted his brother and his son and Jimmy Raye and Paul Hackett and God knows who else on his staff, and Smith said "**** this shit."

That is exactly my guess, too. If so, what in the hell is wrong with Marty? Why would he want to change ANYTHING on offense or defense. Indicates that perhaps Marty has learned nothing.

Marty with those two coordinators was a heck of a combination. He was the motivator and they were the brains.

Smed1065
02-12-2007, 08:44 PM
It really doesn't make much sense unless they actually believe in the Marty post-season curse.

FAX

Surprise of the off season, after their coaches left.

I see this as they did not want Marty this year but with 14-2 record had to keep him. They wanted the assistants and Marty was the best way to keep them there, they thought.

Wow.

PS. I think Marty ball was over last year or even before that.

Smed1065
02-12-2007, 08:50 PM
Cowher wants to take some time off. That's why he left Pittsburgh in the first place.

Not with our luck, I would be so pissed but they have the players and cap room to make someone double think their decisions, even Cowher.

Cochise
02-12-2007, 08:57 PM
Sounds like the canned him to get a fresh start, rather than remodel the coaching staff.

Smed1065
02-12-2007, 08:59 PM
I wonder if they want to get rid of their Left Tackle as well. It would not hurt to ask.......

Maybe they will just cut him?

Fruit Ninja
02-12-2007, 09:02 PM
He knows how to build a defense, but he's never shown an ability to build the kind of offense the Chargers have.

That team was built by John Butler and AJ Smith.

Marty just managed the product.
SO wherever Marty goes he just gets lucky on teams that are built when he's around? I cannot believe that for 1 minute. I know most people on here hate him. I don't really hate him, he did nothing for me to hate him.

milkman
02-12-2007, 09:06 PM
SO wherever Marty goes he just gets lucky on teams that are built when he's around? I cannot believe that for 1 minute. I know most people on here hate him. I don't really hate him, he did nothing for me to hate him.

I didn't say that.

I give Marty credit for building the Chiefs D when he was in KC.
Carl gives his coach a lot of voice in the draft.


But that team in SD was assembled by bold moves by both Butler and Smith.

Easy 6
02-12-2007, 09:26 PM
God forbid they get Bill Parcells,I don't think he was really ready to leave just tired of the 3 ring circus they call TO

HOLY CRAP!!!

That just took the steam out of a perfectly enjoyable thread, God forbid indeed.

Groves
02-12-2007, 09:32 PM
I heard the term "disfunctional" used in some espn reporting of the situation.

I may be some sort of regional expert on disfunction, and let me tell ya, Marty coulda won the whole shebang and still got canned.

Disfunction makes every thing else a lesser evil.

Guru
02-12-2007, 09:43 PM
That is what you get when you try to bring in family.

Rausch
02-12-2007, 09:47 PM
Disfunction makes every thing else a lesser evil.

And winning makes guys like TO, Moss, and Irvin team players.

Losing changes your zip code...

Bowser
02-12-2007, 09:53 PM
Somebody go check on Proctor.

boogblaster
02-12-2007, 10:25 PM
Im ashamed..I prayed Marty and Herm would get the axe..well, half of it happened...

BigRock
02-12-2007, 10:27 PM
Dick Vermeil to the Bolts?????? Id bet he would win it all if he went there...
Maybe he'll trade us their first pick for Trent. :hmmm:

Knob
02-12-2007, 11:30 PM
Wait a sec.....Didn't half of the planet say Marty was a good coach during the year. Me and a couple of other posters were lynched for saying Marty stunk. Fast forward to the present and now the whole planet says Marty stinks......




OH THE PLANET YOU GOTTA LOVE THIS SPIN! :rolleyes:

SPchief
02-12-2007, 11:32 PM
Wait a sec.....Didn't half of the planet say Marty was a good coach during the year. Me and a couple of other posters were lynched for saying Marty stunk. Fast forward to the present and now the whole planet says Marty stinks......




OH THE PLANET YOU GOTTA LOVE THIS SPIN! :rolleyes:


Who are you?

Knob
02-12-2007, 11:36 PM
Who are you?


IM BATMAN ROFL

FAX
02-12-2007, 11:43 PM
Hard to believe. You're not Batman.

Prove it. What's in your utility belt?

FAX

Smed1065
02-12-2007, 11:46 PM
I heard the term "disfunctional" used in some espn reporting of the situation.

I may be some sort of regional expert on disfunction, and let me tell ya, Marty coulda won the whole shebang and still got canned.

Disfunction makes every thing else a lesser evil.

That was actually the "official " press release from SD.

The first step is admitting it.
ROFL

MadMax
02-13-2007, 12:02 AM
I dont see how this is good for the Chargers, regardless of his lack of post season success, he built that damn team. He may be a choker in the play offs, but he knows how to build teams. I bet they are worse next year.

I bet they are too...And regardless of what ppl here say. I wouldn't mind him coaching this team again :) Of course without Peterhead ruining err running the show... but hey, 37 years of futility makes me a glutton for punishment...:)

FAX
02-13-2007, 01:02 AM
I wonder if LT can coach?

FAX

SPchief
02-13-2007, 01:06 AM
I wonder if LT can coach?

FAX


LT is god, he can do anything.




BTW Mr. Fax, If you are going to be up this late. I would respectfully ask you to please only post in the 12:30 thread. It's not my cup of tea, but forum ettiquite and all.

Saggysack
02-13-2007, 02:26 AM
Um no that is not it, That is what a 5-13 Career playoff record gets you..

You dont Choke that many opportunites away before people look at you for the fraud you are...

Hmm...

Would you have considered Dean Smith a fraud prior to 1982? It took him 29yrs before he won a championship.

Guru
02-13-2007, 02:38 AM
Hmm...

Would you have considered Dean Smith a fraud prior to 1982? It took him 29yrs before he won a championship.

His teams almost always went deep in the tourney though. I don't think that classifies as the same thing as Marty's one and done.

Saggysack
02-13-2007, 03:06 AM
His teams almost always went deep in the tourney though. I don't think that classifies as the same thing as Marty's one and done.

That's not the point. The point is about championships, or atleast getting there. Using the logic that most people seem to have, Barry Switzer is a better coach than Marty since Barry has been to and won a SB. Let's use another sport, how about NASCAR. Mark Martin is considered one of the greatest drivers to ever get behind the wheel of a stock car, yet he hasn't and will never win a championship. Does that make him a fraud? No it doesn't. It makes him unlucky.

In sports, any sport, it's better to be lucky than good.

Buck
02-13-2007, 03:08 AM
Put BucknKaeding on suicide watch

I think I'll be okay.

Smed1065
02-13-2007, 03:15 AM
Thats what they said on the SD board, it will not affect the team because SD fans do not following football until the season is 10 weeks over.... ROFL

SPchief
02-13-2007, 03:16 AM
That's not the point. The point is about championships, or atleast getting there. Using the logic that most people seem to have, Barry Switzer is a better coach than Marty since Barry has been to and won a SB. Let's use another sport, how about NASCAR. Mark Martin is considered one of the greatest drivers to ever get behind the wheel of a stock car, yet he hasn't and will never win a championship. Does that make him a fraud? No it doesn't. It makes him unlucky.

In sports, any sport, it's better to be lucky than good.



Nascar isn't a popular sport here.

Saggysack
02-13-2007, 03:23 AM
Nascar isn't a popular sport here.

Really? WOW!...

Buck
02-13-2007, 03:24 AM
I just dont get why we offered him a 3 year contract extension at the after the Patriots loss, only to fire him 3 weeks later.

SPchief
02-13-2007, 03:26 AM
I just dont get why we offered him a 3 year contract extension at the after the Patriots loss, only to fire him 3 weeks later.


From what I understand, Marty turned down the three year extension, making him a lame duck. Since then, they lost both coordinators and here we are.

Smed1065
02-13-2007, 03:28 AM
I just dont get why we offered him a 3 year contract extension at the after the Patriots loss, only to fire him 3 weeks later.

It was a one year deal. IIRC

If he was smart, he would have took the extra million.

SAN DIEGO -- Marty Schottenheimer will return as coach of the San Diego Chargers next season, but turned down the team's offer to exercise a one-year club option for 2008 worth $4.5 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2734129

And I hate SD, now i understand your actions before about Merriam.

Its your team and still do not know?

Buck
02-13-2007, 03:28 AM
Its a shame he hasnt won the big one...look at this (sorry if the format is all messed up)

COACH (TEAMS) W L T PCT.
Don Shula (Baltimore, Miami) 347 173 6 .665
George Halas (Chicago) 324 151 31 .671
Tom Landry (Dallas) 270 178 6 .601
Curly Lambeau (Green Bay, Washington, Chicago) 229 134 22 .623
Chuck Noll (Pittsburgh) 209 156 1 .572
Marty Schottenheimer (Cleveland, K.C., Wash., San Diego) 205 139 1 .596
Dan Reeves (Denver, N.Y. Giants, Atlanta) 201 174 2 .536
Chuck Knox (L.A. Rams, Buffalo, Seattle) 193 158 1 .550
Bill Parcells (N.Y. Giants, New England, N.Y. Jets, Dallas) 183 137 1 .572

SPchief
02-13-2007, 03:30 AM
Its a shame he hasnt won the big one...look at this (sorry if the format is all messed up)

COACH (TEAMS) W L T PCT.
Don Shula (Baltimore, Miami) 347 173 6 .665
George Halas (Chicago) 324 151 31 .671
Tom Landry (Dallas) 270 178 6 .601
Curly Lambeau (Green Bay, Washington, Chicago) 229 134 22 .623
Chuck Noll (Pittsburgh) 209 156 1 .572
Marty Schottenheimer (Cleveland, K.C., Wash., San Diego) 205 139 1 .596
Dan Reeves (Denver, N.Y. Giants, Atlanta) 201 174 2 .536
Chuck Knox (L.A. Rams, Buffalo, Seattle) 193 158 1 .550
Bill Parcells (N.Y. Giants, New England, N.Y. Jets, Dallas) 183 137 1 .572



It would be a shame, if we didn't warn you about Marty.


But we did, so eh.

Buck
02-13-2007, 03:32 AM
It would be a shame, if we didn't warn you about Marty.


But we did, so eh.

Nobody warned me back in 02

SPchief
02-13-2007, 03:35 AM
Nobody warned me back in 02


Sorry you weren't around then, but I'm guessing you won't get any Marty sympathy around here.

Smed1065
02-13-2007, 04:05 AM
Joined: Nov 2006

Kerberos
02-13-2007, 04:55 AM
Wait a sec.....Didn't half of the planet say Marty was a good coach during the year. Me and a couple of other posters were lynched for saying Marty stunk. Fast forward to the present and now the whole planet says Marty stinks......




OH THE PLANET YOU GOTTA LOVE THIS SPIN! :rolleyes:

I don't think anyone on this board ever said Marty wasn't a good coach.

But anything past the regular season and YES HE STINKS.

The guy can coach teams to great heights during the regular season just to have a gargantuan letdown durning the post season.

As a fan you can have a fuggin great time during the season watching your Shotgunhider coached team win a lot. Only to be let down in the first round of the playoffs. :shake:

Don't make such crude accusation and involve the PLANET as a whole. Not everyone thinks that Marty Stinks as a coach. He just Stinks after January 1

.

HonestChieffan
02-13-2007, 06:53 AM
Im hearing John Goodmans name for SD Head Coaches Job.

RedPete
02-13-2007, 07:02 AM
Marty stinks in the playoffs? please. That's like saying Peyton Manning can't win the big one. 12 Teams make the playoffs -- 10 exit with a non-winning record. Shottenheimer's perceived post-season futility is simply a byproduct of getting there so often.

MOhillbilly
02-13-2007, 07:07 AM
Marty stinks in the playoffs? please. That's like saying Peyton Manning can't win the big one. 12 Teams make the playoffs-- 10 exit with a non-winning record. Shottenheimer's perceived post-season futility is simply a byproduct of getting there so often.

you are a gaymo fagtard.

Chiefs_Fan
02-13-2007, 07:09 AM
So will SD make a run at the Raiders for last place next year?

Chiefnj
02-13-2007, 07:09 AM
Great news for KC. The first step to making the Super Bowl is to win your division. Without Marty that gives KC a better opportunity. Say what you want about his postseason floundering, the SOB is perhaps the best regular season coach in the NFL. He's also great at building teams.

I bet there are a handful of GM's around the league that are sorry they signed people last year and this year. Marty could bring respectability to teams like AZ, Detroit and even KC.

RedPete
02-13-2007, 07:09 AM
you are a gaymo Rump Rangertard.


Anyway the Chargers are idiots...just like the Redskins before them...

Simply Red
02-13-2007, 07:16 AM
I love this thread!

Brock
02-13-2007, 07:16 AM
Marty stinks in the playoffs? please. That's like saying Peyton Manning can't win the big one. 12 Teams make the playoffs -- 10 exit with a non-winning record. Shottenheimer's perceived post-season futility is simply a byproduct of getting there so often.

5-13.

BigRedChief
02-13-2007, 07:17 AM
Im hearing John Goodmans name for SD Head Coaches Job.
Back from the dead to NFL head coach. Theres a TV movie of the week in the making

Brock
02-13-2007, 07:18 AM
I just dont get why we offered him a 3 year contract extension at the after the Patriots loss, only to fire him 3 weeks later.

I thought it was a one year extension.

Brock
02-13-2007, 07:22 AM
This move at this point in time is surprising.

After losing their coordinators, maybe the Chargers felt that Marty was no longer the man to lead this team now that they have inexperience at the coordinators positions.

I know I wouldn't want coordinators to cut their teeth with Marty in charge.

This was a malicious act. They waited until all the existing jobs were gone, then fired him.

Baby Lee
02-13-2007, 07:22 AM
I wonder if the coordinators left because of marty...
Yes, they were all set to turn down those Head Coaching positions, until they realized Marty might still be there with them in SD.

Direckshun
02-13-2007, 07:26 AM
In all likelihood most Chargers fans have only been a fan for a season so it's not exactly like they're going to be heartbroken over a coach whose name they can't pronounce.

siberian khatru
02-13-2007, 07:28 AM
Marty stinks in the playoffs? please. That's like saying Peyton Manning can't win the big one. 12 Teams make the playoffs -- 10 exit with a non-winning record. Shottenheimer's perceived post-season futility is simply a byproduct of getting there so often.

"Perceived"?

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 07:34 AM
That's an understatement...even with Marty, it would be tough to even come close to matching 14 wins...back to my original post, how can you fire someone with 14 wins?? If Herm on 14 games, everyone on here would be all over him, even if he lost in the playoffs.


You fire Marty for the simple reason of his history. 5-13 in the playoffs is a complete joke. You cant have the teams Marty has had over the last decade and just piss away the home field and playoffs like he has..

Take away Montana's run in KC and Marty is a smashing 3-12.....

If you want to win games and put fans in the seats. You Hire Marty.

If you want to win superbowls and championships. You fire Marty.

IF you want niether? You hire Herm. ROFL

F*ck Marty.. Happy trails playoff choker!

siberian khatru
02-13-2007, 07:36 AM
5-13 in the playoffs is a complete joke.

I suppose one could perceive it that way.

RNR
02-13-2007, 07:36 AM
This was a malicious act. They waited until all the existing jobs were gone, then fired him.
There has been bad blood there for awhile, when he rejected the one year add on well it was easy to see this was going to end badly. This reeks of payback.

Chiefs_Fan
02-13-2007, 07:38 AM
This was a malicious act. They waited until all the existing jobs were gone, then fired him.

Yes, Lets wait till all of the best coaches already have jobs and then lets fire ours. Sounds like something the Raiders would do.

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 07:41 AM
I suppose one could perceive it that way.
Given the Home Fields Advantage he has had, the strong teams he has fielded...

Like people said, this was the BEST team Marty has ever, ever had, if he couldn’t get it done with this team. It is pretty much hopeless for him...

Christ the Chargers were top 10 in both O and D? If not top 5 and he still managed to screw that up...

Sorry, Marty is a great coach as long as there isn’t a playoff system.

Baby Lee
02-13-2007, 07:42 AM
Take away Montana's run in KC and Marty is a smashing 3-12.....
WTF is the obsession with taking Montana out of the equation?
Did I miss the part where when they hired Montana, they fired all the O coaches and coordinators and Montana ran everything?
Montana was the most talented and poised QB we had, therefore he ran the offense better than the rest and we had more success.
So, if you take Manning out of the equations, Dungy's never won a SB.
If you take Elway out of the equation, the Broncos haven't been the SB since the 70s.

What's the point. Oh, yeah, overstating the case for your obsession is the point.

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 07:43 AM
This from a dude too stupid to spell choke. Well, he can't spell rerun either so what could we expect?


Thanks for noticing asshat....

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 07:47 AM
WTF is the obsession with taking Montana out of the equation?
Did I miss the part where when they hired Montana, they fired all the O coaches and coordinators and Montana ran everything?
Montana was the most talented and poised QB we had, therefore he ran the offense better than the rest and we had more success.
So, if you take Manning out of the equations, Dungy's never won a SB.
If you take Elway out of the equation, the Broncos haven't been the SB since the 70s.

What's the point. Oh, yeah, overstating the case for your obsession is the point.


BTW, Dungy won the Superbowl.

Elway couldnt win one without Davis, Marty couldnt win one with Montana...

Cry all you want, but your boy Marty will never win the superbowl. He missed his best chance last season.

Chiefnj
02-13-2007, 07:49 AM
BTW, Dungy won the Superbowl.

Elway couldnt win one without Davis, Marty couldnt win one with Montana...

Cry all you want, but your boy Marty will never win the superbowl. He missed his best chance last season.

His best chance was with Philip Rivers at QB in his first year starting?

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 07:53 AM
His best chance was with Philip Rivers at QB in his first year starting?


Didnt his Rookie QB go to the Pro bowl?

With his NFL record setting MVP Running Back and one of the leagues best Defenses? Doesnt that equal success with Martyball?

Baby Lee
02-13-2007, 07:53 AM
Cry all you want, but your boy Marty will never win the superbowl. He missed his best chance last season.
Cry all you want, but the Chiefs under Marty were better they've ever been, and better than they'll be for a while.
I'm not saying you can't make fun of a Trans Am, but you shouldn't do so from the driver's seat of a Yugo.

Cochise
02-13-2007, 07:56 AM
This thread is polluting the world with stupid.

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 08:00 AM
Cry all you want, but the Chiefs under Marty were better they've ever been, and better than they'll be for a while.
I'm not saying you can't make fun of a Trans Am, but you shouldn't do so from the driver's seat of a Yugo.


Nice!

I agree, Marty is and was the sole reason that KC is back to where it is today... Also I think Marty is a first ballot hall of fame coach as well...

What I am getting at Mr. Lee is, If you want to win games and put fans in the seats, you hire Marty, 9 times out of 10 you will get a solid quality product on the field, that plays hard and disciplined.

But if your goal is to win championships and super bowls, Well Marty might not be your man. His history shows that he can't just get it done. Is it all Marty? No, but his teams have everything go against him that is possible. Stupid penalties, freak turnovers or phantom holding calls...

Marty is the best regular season, organization building coach in the current game, but the man is just cursed when the chips are on the table. And for you Mr. Lee, Marty is so cursed, even the great one Joe Montana couldn’t lift it…

Chiefnj
02-13-2007, 08:01 AM
All I know is right now while the Chiefs are in rebuild mode, I'd rather have Marty than Herm.

Pushead2
02-13-2007, 08:11 AM
All I know is right now while the Chiefs are in rebuild mode, I'd rather have Marty than Herm.

I agree , but then ditch marty when playoff time comes. He's like a mechanic that can really fix and build cars better then others but has a problem driving them when the hardest twists and turns come.....

Simply Red
02-13-2007, 08:13 AM
:spock:

Skip Towne
02-13-2007, 08:21 AM
Reerun is polluting the world with stupid.
Fixed it.

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 08:22 AM
Fixed it.


ROFL

Must be for siding with you in all the Jayhawk game threads...

Cochise
02-13-2007, 08:25 AM
Fixed it.

Sorry. I'm not such a gud speller.

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 08:28 AM
Sorry. I'm not such a gud speller.


Me either after a couple of glasses of Jim and Coke.... I got all excited in what I was wanting to write and just typed it all out there.. Never once thought of spell checking it...


Skip is just being a tool bag today, nothing new...

Bill Parcells
02-13-2007, 08:33 AM
This was a malicious act. They waited until all the existing jobs were gone, then fired him.
NO, it wasn't a malicious act..how was Marty going to hire a coaching staff when he was a lame duck coach with 1 year remaining?he turned down a one year extension which basically cost him his job.


Edit:I now think you were being very sarcastic.

Brock
02-13-2007, 08:50 AM
NO, it wasn't a malicious act..how was Marty going to hire a coaching staff when he was a lame duck coach with 1 year remaining?he turned down a one year extension which basically cost him his job.


Edit:I now think you were being very sarcastic.

You really think there aren't assistant coaches who would kill for a chance to be a coordinator for a year? Get serious.

gblowfish
02-13-2007, 08:55 AM
I could see Pete Carroll from USC being the next coach, before the USC program goes toxic from NCAA violations. I don't think they'd give Al Saunders a second chance as Head Coach...but damn...he'd be seriously dangerous with their offense. Yikes. Don't think Cowher or Parcells or any other "retired" coaches will bite. I'll be surprised if they do. Maybe a Pats assistant, since they can't seem to get past New England.

On Marty: Here's a thought: He takes San Diego's $3 mill payoff, screws around for a year. Then the Chiefs move King Carl to "CEO", let him deal with Stadium Improvements, cheeziness of the nachos, etc. and Clark names Marty GM and puts him in charge of football chit, draft etc. Herm stays as HC.

Too far fetched? I think Clark is going to chop down on Carl in the next year, and hopefully move him out of GM role. Marty might be great at that, and he wouldn't be able to screw up the playoffs. Whaddya think?

Mr. Laz
02-13-2007, 09:02 AM
been said in this thread before .......... but how stupid for the chargers.


if you're gonna make a move then do it early when you still have options.

When they could of just promoted Cam Cameron.

:shake:

they should of sucked it up for 1 more year and then gone after Cowher next year.

no planning, no discipline,no strategy


how "retarted"

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 09:04 AM
On Marty: Here's a thought: He takes San Diego's $3 mill payoff, screws around for a year. Then the Chiefs move King Carl to "CEO", let him deal with Stadium Improvements, cheeziness of the nachos, etc. and Clark names Marty GM and puts him in charge of football chit, draft etc. Herm stays as HC.

Too far fetched? I think Clark is going to chop down on Carl in the next year, and hopefully move him out of GM role. Marty might be great at that, and he wouldn't be able to screw up the playoffs. Whaddya think?


Way to kick the Chiefs fans while they are down and still reeling from the hire of theSavior Herm...

That would potentially be the worst thing to ever happen to the Chiefs organization.

Bill Parcells
02-13-2007, 09:05 AM
You really think there aren't assistant coaches who would kill for a chance to be a coordinator for a year? Get serious.
Why would they want to be part of a lame duck coaching staff?

If you bring in a new Head Coach after 1 year they are more than likely goners.

Mr. Laz
02-13-2007, 09:07 AM
On Marty: Here's a thought: He takes San Diego's $3 mill payoff, screws around for a year. Then the Chiefs move King Carl to "CEO", let him deal with Stadium Improvements, cheeziness of the nachos, etc. and Clark names Marty GM and puts him in charge of football chit, draft etc. Herm stays as HC.

Too far fetched? I think Clark is going to chop down on Carl in the next year, and hopefully move him out of GM role. Marty might be great at that, and he wouldn't be able to screw up the playoffs. Whaddya think?
fine with me ........


at this point, i would do just about anything to get Peterson out of the GM seat.

Skip Towne
02-13-2007, 09:08 AM
Skip is just being a tool bag today, nothing new...
Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.

htismaqe
02-13-2007, 09:10 AM
Why would they want to be part of a lame duck coaching staff?

If you bring in a new Head Coach after 1 year they are more than likely goners.

Because there's always the chance they coordinate well enough to get themselves onto the "new head coach" list.

BIG_DADDY
02-13-2007, 09:10 AM
Good, look what Marty built over there. Sooner he is gone the better for us. I do feel for the guy though.

Bill Parcells
02-13-2007, 09:13 AM
Because there's always the chance they coordinate well enough to get themselves onto the "new head coach" list.
1 year is not a lot of time to make a judgment on any coach..and your dealing with a super bowl contender here..not an expansion team.

Brock
02-13-2007, 09:19 AM
1 year is not a lot of time to make a judgment on any coach..and your dealing with a super bowl contender here..not an expansion team.

Eric Mangini was a coordinator for how long?

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 09:21 AM
Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.

It will be okay Skip... I know you really liked Marty and all, but sometimes you just have to let him go...

Maybe Carl can bring him back as the assistant Head Coach and the Special Coordinator of offensive design and red zone efficiency.

Bill Parcells
02-13-2007, 09:22 AM
Eric Mangini was a coordinator for how long?
1 year..and NOBODY wanted him except the Jets..that was a very rare situation..he had ties with Tannenbaum(the incoming GM) before that.

htismaqe
02-13-2007, 09:25 AM
1 year is not a lot of time to make a judgment on any coach..and your dealing with a super bowl contender here..not an expansion team.

Coordinators get promoted all the time. How long was YOUR head coach a coordinator?

Bill Parcells
02-13-2007, 09:30 AM
Coordinators get promoted all the time. How long was YOUR head coach a coordinator?
1 year..and how many teams were interested? one?

Lzen
02-13-2007, 09:31 AM
Marty stinks in the playoffs? please. That's like saying Peyton Manning can't win the big one. 12 Teams make the playoffs -- 10 exit with a non-winning record. Shottenheimer's perceived post-season futility is simply a byproduct of getting there so often.

Uhhhh.....nope.

Getting to the playoffs is only half the battle. Good coaches should have around a .500 playoffs record. Marty's playoffs record is way below that. He is one of the greatest regular season coaches of all time. He is also one of the worst playoffs coaches of all time.

htismaqe
02-13-2007, 09:39 AM
1 year..and how many teams were interested? one?

Do a good job and SOMEBODY will call. Being that it's the same team, that sometimes just increases the probability.

It's pretty simple, the road to head coach goes through a coordinator position. They wouldn't have had ANY trouble finding candidates...

Bill Parcells
02-13-2007, 09:44 AM
Do a good job and SOMEBODY will call. Being that it's the same team, that sometimes just increases the probability.

It's pretty simple, the road to head coach goes through a coordinator position. They wouldn't have had ANY trouble finding candidates...
That's fair..but from the GM's point of view..if they bring in a new head coach after one year(that's not one of those coordinators)he will want to hire his own coaching staff..no?

Brock
02-13-2007, 09:50 AM
That's fair..but from the GM's point of view..if they bring in a new head coach after one year(that's not one of those coordinators)he will want to hire his own coaching staff..no?

That is a stupid reason to fire a head coach of Schottenheimer's caliber without an apparent replacement plan. I'll reserve judgement until I see who they hire.

Drunk
02-13-2007, 10:09 AM
That is a stupid reason to fire a head coach of Schottenheimer's caliber without an apparent replacement plan. I'll reserve judgement until I see who they hire.
The Spanos' are too conservative not to have a backup plan.

Brock
02-13-2007, 10:17 AM
The Spanos' are too conservative not to have a backup plan.

That's not how it appears. They don't appear to have a plan at all.

Chiefnj
02-13-2007, 10:19 AM
The Spanos' are too conservative not to have a backup plan.

They didn't expect to lose half of their coordinators.

DeepPurple
02-13-2007, 10:36 AM
On 'Cold Pizza' they said they didn't make the move earlier because it wasn't until the team had four coaching vacancies to fill that the problem became as big as it did. The riff between Marty and A.J. Smith was becoming unworkable because Smith didn't like any of Marty's choices for the coaching positions. The main disagreement was Marty wanted his brother for defensive coordinator and wasn't willing to budge, so the owner had to make a decision of who to back and the GM won and Marty had to go.

seclark
02-13-2007, 10:38 AM
The main disagreement was Marty wanted his brother for defensive coordinator and wasn't willing to budge, so the owner had to make a decision of who to back and the GM won and Marty had to go.

that was the first thing that came to my mind, then i thought, "nah".
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Pushead2
02-13-2007, 10:41 AM
Good for Marty

noa
02-13-2007, 10:46 AM
Jesus Marty, was trying to get your brother a new job really worth getting fired over?

Drunk
02-13-2007, 10:58 AM
They didn't expect to lose half of their coordinators.
Only half?

Chief Faithful
02-13-2007, 11:19 AM
“Marty Schottenheimer can’t catch the ball for us,” Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates said during the playoffs. “Marty Schottenheimer can’t make tackles for us. He puts us in situations to make plays; he puts us in situations to win ballgames.”


Gates has inadvertently summarized Schottenheimer's entire coaching career.

Iowanian
02-13-2007, 11:21 AM
Just as well for Marty.....He probably didn't want to move to LA with the team anyway.

Chief Faithful
02-13-2007, 11:26 AM
Sweet San Diego is going to suck next year. Welcome back to Raiderland Chargers.

Yeah, but who do share that with? The Chargers wagon emptied weeks ago.

Back in the closet go the Charger fans. Maybe they will come back out next decade.

splatbass
02-13-2007, 11:39 AM
You fire Marty for the simple reason of his history. 5-13 in the playoffs is a complete joke. You cant have the teams Marty has had over the last decade and just piss away the home field and playoffs like he has..

Take away Montana's run in KC and Marty is a smashing 3-12.....

If you want to win games and put fans in the seats. You Hire Marty.

If you want to win superbowls and championships. You fire Marty.

IF you want niether? You hire Herm. ROFL

F*ck Marty.. Happy trails playoff choker!

To be fair (you do want to be fair, right?), most of those losses weren't due to poor coaching. They were due to things he couldn't control, like Lin Elliot choking. How many did he lose because of kicking?

htismaqe
02-13-2007, 12:01 PM
To be fair (you do want to be fair, right?), most of those losses weren't due to poor coaching. They were due to things he couldn't control, like Lin Elliot choking. How many did he lose because of kicking?

Why were even IN the postion to lose on a Lin Elliot field goal?

COACHING.

You can look at the missed FG or you can evaluate why they were kicking in the first place.

Everybody remembers Nate Kaeding and the 50-yard miss in the playoffs three years ago. Only those of us that care remember that the Chargers had 1st-and-10 at the Jet 40 and RAN THE BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES in order to setup their ROOKIE kicker for a 49-yard attempt IN THE RAIN.

Reerun_KC
02-13-2007, 12:06 PM
Why were even IN the postion to lose on a Lin Elliot field goal?

COACHING.

You can look at the missed FG or you can evaluate why they were kicking in the first place.

Everybody remembers Nate Kaeding and the 50-yard miss in the playoffs three years ago. Only those of us that care remember that the Chargers had 1st-and-10 at the Jet 40 and RAN THE BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES in order to setup their ROOKIE kicker for a 49-yard attempt IN THE RAIN.


Pretty much sums up Marty in just a few short sentences...

RedPete
02-13-2007, 01:27 PM
[QUOTE=Lzen]Uhhhh.....nope.

Getting to the playoffs is only half the battle. Good coaches should have around a .500 playoffs record.
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uhhh sorry, let's do the math again: 12 teams make the playoffs -- only TWO end up with a winning record. The other ten come away 0-1 or 1-1. (Yeah even the ones with home field advantage)

So No, like it or not, a good coach who leads his team to the playoffs every year, WILL compile an ugly record.... about 9 times out of 10... unless they're fortunate enough to reach the Super Bowl.

siberian khatru
02-13-2007, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=Lzen]Uhhhh.....nope.

Getting to the playoffs is only half the battle. Good coaches should have around a .500 playoffs record.
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uhhh sorry, let's do the math again: 12 teams make the playoffs -- only TWO end up with a winning record. The other ten come away 0-1 or 1-1. (Yeah even the ones with home field advantage)

So No, like it or not, a good coach who leads his team to the playoffs every year, WILL compile an ugly record.... about 9 times out of 10... unless they're fortunate enough to reach the Super Bowl.

Really? They'll usually lose their first game like Marty has nine times?

Chuck Knox is widely viewed as the precursor to Marty. Yet, he had a career playoff record of 7-11 -- he only went one-and-out five times in 11 tries (compared to Marty's 9 in 13).

FringeNC
02-13-2007, 01:39 PM
Why were even IN the postion to lose on a Lin Elliot field goal?

COACHING.

You can look at the missed FG or you can evaluate why they were kicking in the first place.

Everybody remembers Nate Kaeding and the 50-yard miss in the playoffs three years ago. Only those of us that care remember that the Chargers had 1st-and-10 at the Jet 40 and RAN THE BALL THREE STRAIGHT TIMES in order to setup their ROOKIE kicker for a 49-yard attempt IN THE RAIN.

Yeah. I think this year was different. Do you think it was Marty's fault this last time? I actually felt bad for Marty this time because I don't think he choked. I think this time was just bad luck.

And one more point -- Marty never had great teams here. And part of that is Marty's fault for going with simple schemes. It's Marty's whole coaching philosophy, not just game-time decisions that have hurt him.

Rain Man
02-13-2007, 01:39 PM
Without reading the whole thread, does anyone else wonder if A.J. Smith specifically kept Marty employed until all of the other coaching jobs were filled?

The Chargers are sooooo stupid. Sure, Marty has the curse in the playoffs, but the Chargers were a perennial 5-11 team before he showed up, and they'll be back there again. If Marty has a playoff curse, the Chargers have a regular season curse.

Brock
02-13-2007, 01:45 PM
Without reading the whole thread, does anyone else wonder if A.J. Smith specifically kept Marty employed until all of the other coaching jobs were filled?

They screwed him deliberately, IMO.

FringeNC
02-13-2007, 01:46 PM
Without reading the whole thread, does anyone else wonder if A.J. Smith specifically kept Marty employed until all of the other coaching jobs were filled?

The Chargers are sooooo stupid. Sure, Marty has the curse in the playoffs, but the Chargers were a perennial 5-11 team before he showed up, and they'll be back there again. If Marty has a playoff curse, the Chargers have a regular season curse.

I think you're overestimated the damage of losing Marty. The damage was done when Cameron and Phillips left. Marty with those guys equaled a great coaching staff. Marty without those guys -- see Washington under Marty.

htismaqe
02-13-2007, 01:53 PM
Yeah. I think this year was different. Do you think it was Marty's fault this last time? I actually felt bad for Marty this time because I don't think he choked. I think this time was just bad luck.

And one more point -- Marty never had great teams here. And part of that is Marty's fault for going with simple schemes. It's Marty's whole coaching philosophy, not just game-time decisions that have hurt him.

Was this year different? The clock management at the end of the New England game was horrible...

Chiefnj
02-13-2007, 01:56 PM
I think you're overestimated the damage of losing Marty. The damage was done when Cameron and Phillips left. Marty with those guys equaled a great coaching staff. Marty without those guys -- see Washington under Marty.

He had one season in Washington. You couldn't tell anything from that.

Brock
02-13-2007, 01:59 PM
I think you're overestimated the damage of losing Marty. The damage was done when Cameron and Phillips left. Marty with those guys equaled a great coaching staff. Marty without those guys -- see Washington under Marty.

No way - Marty has been at least somewhat successful everywhere he's ever been. There is no reason to think he wouldn't have had Washington better off than it was when he got there.

FringeNC
02-13-2007, 02:00 PM
He had one season in Washington. You couldn't tell anything from that.

His choice of coordinators doomed him.

Brock
02-13-2007, 02:02 PM
His choice of coordinators doomed him.

Either that, or Daniel Snyder being a 'tard.

Rain Man
02-13-2007, 02:10 PM
Say what you will about his postseason Hindenburgs, but Marty can build a strong team, regardless of his staff. I'm glad he's not in San Diego any more.

Hopefully they'll hire Pete "Can't win in the NFL" Carroll.

DeepPurple
02-13-2007, 02:13 PM
Without reading the whole thread, does anyone else wonder if A.J. Smith specifically kept Marty employed until all of the other coaching jobs were filled?
As I posted a few spots earlier, the riff between Marty and Smith didn't become intolerable until they had to start finding replacements for the coaches that had left. Mainly, it was the decision by Marty to bring in his brother Kurt for the defensive coordinator spot that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

However, after reading the Chargers board, many are starting to think that Marty intentionally did that to put Spanos on the spot. Marty wasn't given a contract extension like he wanted and Marty and AJ Smith haven't been on speaking terms for quite sometime. It might of just been a case of Marty knowing that by bringing his brother into the picture he would force the owner to choose between himself and Smith, which is what happened.

Rain Man
02-13-2007, 02:15 PM
Marty actually proposed bringing Kurt on as defensive coordinator? Wow. Now I wish that Marty had been able to win and stay on.

Simply Red
02-13-2007, 02:26 PM
Yep apparently that triggered the release was his expression of interest toward Kurt.

keg in kc
02-13-2007, 02:56 PM
LMAO, I miss all the good stuff.

Martyocre is gone, the Chargers may be a legitimate playoff threat next year.

dirk digler
02-13-2007, 03:02 PM
As I posted a few spots earlier, the riff between Marty and Smith didn't become intolerable until they had to start finding replacements for the coaches that had left. Mainly, it was the decision by Marty to bring in his brother Kurt for the defensive coordinator spot that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

However, after reading the Chargers board, many are starting to think that Marty intentionally did that to put Spanos on the spot. Marty wasn't given a contract extension like he wanted and Marty and AJ Smith haven't been on speaking terms for quite sometime. It might of just been a case of Marty knowing that by bringing his brother into the picture he would force the owner to choose between himself and Smith, which is what happened.

Sounds plausible to me.

I feel sorry for Marty he is a great coach but he just can't seem to win playoff games.

Baby Lee
02-13-2007, 04:18 PM
Yep apparently that triggered the release was his expression of interest toward Kurt.
Can we get some cites on this?
Sportscenter this morning expressly stated "disagreement about the elevation of certain coaches on staff to vacated coordinator positions."
Not saying it isn't true, but it's not consistent with ESPN reporting this AM.