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kczoo
02-13-2007, 04:45 PM
Check it out and tell what you think. PLEASE dont call and harrass my wife etc....I dont want to get all legal with weirdos.
www.kiblingerdesignerkitchens.com

Halfcan
02-13-2007, 04:55 PM
Wow nice job-I bet it was cool working with Trent.

noa
02-13-2007, 05:00 PM
Looks like some very nice stuff.

morphius
02-13-2007, 05:01 PM
Did you test it in firefox? Some things are showing up a bit off.

noa
02-13-2007, 05:01 PM
Did you test it in firefox? Some things are showing up a bit off.

Everything ran smoothly for me and I use firefox. :shrug:

morphius
02-13-2007, 05:07 PM
Everything ran smoothly for me and I use firefox. :shrug:
I think it was that the Green piece took a long time to load, and the space between it and the bottom of the page was separated by a lot of white space.

kczoo
02-13-2007, 05:15 PM
Thanks all...Not looking for business, just opinions, suggestions.

IA_Chiefs_fan
02-13-2007, 05:24 PM
nice site, beautiful work - the text on the home page is a little difficult for me to read

bogie
02-13-2007, 05:25 PM
Nice job. It looks like you do great work. JMO, I found this line a little confusing. "We believe here at KDK that the first person you speak to should be the only person you should speak to." I know what you're trying to say, the 1st person you speak with will work with you and give you personal attention throughout the project. I found the line confusing. Just my .02 worth. Otherwise it's very cool.

kczoo
02-13-2007, 05:38 PM
Im going to work out the verbage..so thanks for the input.

StcChief
02-13-2007, 05:41 PM
My firefox 2.0 worked funny
Page says javascript is off.
When it is NOT.

Simplex3
02-13-2007, 05:42 PM
For this critique I was running Firefox 2 on Windows XP, both fully patched.

1. The graphics are a bit bulky, and there's a lot of whitespace, but you don't have much text, so it's kind of an Ok trade-off.

2. The changing background color on the menu is annoying.

3. The orientation changes on the main section from having a white background with vertical brown bars, to no vertical bars but still two columns (sort of), to a brown bordered box with no photos, to a BLUE BACKGROUND PAGE (emphasis intended) is distracting.

4. There is a LOT of dead space at the bottom of some of those pages.

5. The gallery page takes freaking forever to load. The scrolling thing of Trent and that stand is absurd. A photo or two is much better. I realize that's a big deal to you, but to the rest of the world it's just a stand for a football. A 1.3Mb file is WAAAAAY to big to embed in a page. I can't stress this point strongly enough.

6. The next and previous buttons on your slide show viewer don't work.

bogie
02-13-2007, 05:52 PM
For this critique I was running Firefox 2 on Windows XP, both fully patched.

1. The graphics are a bit bulky, and there's a lot of whitespace, but you don't have much text, so it's kind of an Ok trade-off.

2. The changing background color on the menu is annoying.

3. The orientation changes on the main section from having a white background with vertical brown bars, to no vertical bars but still two columns (sort of), to a brown bordered box with no photos, to a BLUE BACKGROUND PAGE (emphasis intended) is distracting.

4. There is a LOT of dead space at the bottom of some of those pages.

5. The gallery page takes freaking forever to load. The scrolling thing of Trent and that stand is absurd. A photo or two is much better. I realize that's a big deal to you, but to the rest of the world it's just a stand for a football. A 1.3Mb file is WAAAAAY to big to embed in a page. I can't stress this point strongly enough.

6. The next and previous buttons on your slide show viewer don't work.

Well, yea, I guess there's that too...

Dr. Facebook Fever
02-13-2007, 05:52 PM
Firefox must really suck because it loaded right away and looked fine on my old fashioned internet explorer.

Nice work kczoo.

Simplex3
02-13-2007, 05:57 PM
Firefox must really suck because it loaded right away and looked fine on my old fashioned internet explorer.

Nice work kczoo.
And how long did it take to actually start playing the scrolling thingy with Trent?

Fish
02-13-2007, 06:05 PM
Tabs show up a little odd on the front page... and you might try centering the Welcome line, maybe bolding it.

I'd do something with the slideshow in the gallery... it's too slow to hold my attention, and flat out bogged the browser down for a sec.

Also.. I never thought I'd say this... but you could use some filler around the sides and bottom of the page. When expanded out on a widescreen monitor there's a ton of dead space. Nothing major, just a little something would clean up the blocky empty feel.

In the Services page... see if you can make the box scalable or smaller, as there is a lot of dead space there as well.

Looks pretty good so far.

crazycoffey
02-13-2007, 06:07 PM
cool site, I know another wood worker in your area. Tough job, but you look like you do good work.

good luck!

Simplex3
02-13-2007, 07:04 PM
Unfortunately it looks like you're using a whacked-out editor of some sort to build the page. The HTML it generates is horrid.

*IF* you'll use it I'll reformat the pages and give you some tips on how to edit the text, change the pics, etc.

Simplex3
02-13-2007, 07:27 PM
Here's a version of your home page that will work in all browsers without all the extra crud-ola.

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
<meta name="keywords" content="truncated">
<meta name="generator" content="Homestead SiteBuilder">
<title>Home</title>
</head>
<body>

<table border="0px" cellspacing="0px" cellpadding="0px" align="center" width="800px">
<tr>
<td colspan="2"><img src="Home_files/wood-trim.jpg"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" align="center"><img src="Home_files/cooltext44583462.jpg"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2"><img src="Home_files/wood-trim.jpg"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="150px" bgcolor="#d19672" align="center">
<br>
<h3><a href="index.html">Home</a></h3>
<h3>Gallery</h3>
<h3>Services</h3>
<h3>Contact Us</h3>
</td>
<td width="650px">
<table border="0px" cellspacing="0px" cellpadding="0px" width="650px">
<tr>
<td width="450px" valign="top" style="padding-left:15px;">

<br><p align="center"><h2>Welcome to KDK</h2></p>

<h3><p>From my family to yours, I personally welcome you to our website. My name is
Brian Kiblinger, owner and operator of Kiblinger Designer Kitchens,
Marshfield, Missouri.

<p>As a family owned and operated cabinet shop, we understand your designing needs as
we treat every customer as high-end clientele.

<p>Come in and browse our gallery at the past and present craftsmanship we have provided
to our clientele. Feel free to email me with any questions you might have in creating
a one of a kind designer kitchen from my family to yours.
</h3>
</td>
<td align="right" width="200px">
<br><br>
<img src="Home_files/CH_Artesia.jpg" border="1px"><br><br>
<img src="Home_files/CH_Parisian.jpg" border="1px"><br><br>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2"><img src="Home_files/wood-trim.jpg"></td>
</tr>
</table>

</body>
</html>

Here it is in Firefox:

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Dr. Facebook Fever
02-13-2007, 07:30 PM
And how long did it take to actually start playing the scrolling thingy with Trent?
Right away, honestly. I thought why is the picture moving away from me until I realized it was more than one picture.

:)

Simplex3
02-13-2007, 07:34 PM
Right away, honestly. I thought why is the picture moving away from me until I realized it was more than one picture.

:)
Then you must have a huge Internet c**k because that's a 1.3Mb file. Considering it seems to be bandwidth-throttled by his provider that means you're so cool that it started playing immediately for you when everyone else in the world had to wait.

Now, if you go and check again, yes it will start immediately. That's because now it's cached.

That still doesn't mean it isn't an absolutely terrible idea.

Dr. Facebook Fever
02-13-2007, 07:47 PM
Then you must have a huge Internet c**k because that's a 1.3Mb file. Considering it seems to be bandwidth-throttled by his provider that means you're so cool that it started playing immediately for you when everyone else in the world had to wait.

Now, if you go and check again, yes it will start immediately. That's because now it's cached.

That still doesn't mean it isn't an absolutely terrible idea.
Wasn't trying to offend you man. Just said it worked for me right away. I have broadband... maybe that's why? I'm not any kind of 'puter genius.

People keep telling me to get firefox so I did for a while but I didn't care for the way things looked so I went back.

Simplex3
02-13-2007, 08:12 PM
Wasn't trying to offend you man. Just said it worked for me right away. I have broadband... maybe that's why? I'm not any kind of 'puter genius.

People keep telling me to get firefox so I did for a while but I didn't care for the way things looked so I went back.
No offense taken.

We probably have different standards for what "immediately" is. It took about 3 or 4 seconds to start for me, but I have a 6.5Mb/s Internet connection.

On a 56k modem that one file will take ~3m14s to download. You should still design your pages with those stragglers in mind if you're selling a product.

stevieray
02-13-2007, 08:13 PM
do you have a faux artist on your crew?

El Jefe
02-13-2007, 08:51 PM
Hey nice site very professional looking. I would use your business if you were in Ohio Lol.

morphius
02-13-2007, 10:18 PM
Wasn't trying to offend you man. Just said it worked for me right away. I have broadband... maybe that's why? I'm not any kind of 'puter genius.

People keep telling me to get firefox so I did for a while but I didn't care for the way things looked so I went back.
wait till you try IE 7, hehe

Phobia
02-13-2007, 10:30 PM
You do really good work. There's some nice looking custom kitchens in your gallery.

Your website leaves something to be desired but at least you're on the web. I know you're excited about that. Congrats. You'll get there.