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C-Mac
02-14-2007, 06:39 AM
Marty loses super opportunity
JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

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Marty Schottenheimer isn’t likely to shed any tears over the unfairness of his dismissal as head coach of the San Diego Chargers.

Marty knows, better than most, that professional football is rarely fair.

So he’ll take his 200 victories and his 14-2 2006 regular-season record, and look for his next coaching opportunity without making much of a stink about Chargers general manager A.J. Smith dictating coaching decisions.

Nope. What will bring Marty to tears for the foreseeable future is the realization that he left another coach a Super Bowl-ready team. At age 63, Marty, in all likelihood, sabotaged his last and best chance to win a Super Bowl by attempting to hire his brother, Kurt, as defensive coordinator of the Chargers.

According to published reports in San Diego, Marty’s insistence on interviewing his brother to replace Wade Phillips pushed team president Dean Spanos to grant Smith’s wish of canning Marty.

Given Marty’s 2007 lame-duck status, it sort of made sense for Marty to want to fill his five-coaches-raided staff with people he could trust, people willing to walk the plank with Marty after the 2007 season. Going into the final year of his contract, who could Marty trust more than his brother, a man who owes his entire coaching career to Marty?

And given Marty’s hostile relationship with Smith, who beyond Kurt would be willing to join Marty in San Diego’s dysfunction?

This is going to haunt Marty Schottenheimer more than The Drive, The Fumble, Lin Elliott and Rich Gannon.

Marty coached very good teams in Cleveland and Kansas City, teams that could’ve won Super Bowls with the right breaks. In San Diego, Marty coached the league’s best team, a squad that should’ve won the Super Bowl.

Now someone else will get to direct LaDainian Tomlinson and Shawne Merriman, the league’s most dominating offensive and defensive players. Now someone else will finish what Marty started.

The Chargers are sitting in the same spot as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers five years ago after dismissing Tony Dungy. The Bucs had a veteran, ascending team ready to win a championship. They couldn’t afford to hire an unproven head coach. They needed a coach who could win now. They gave up a fortune to get Jon Gruden. He immediately took Tampa to the Super Bowl.

Who is that coach for the Chargers?

It’s complicated now because of the late date of Marty’s firing. Will the new coach have time to assemble a high-quality staff? The Chargers lost their offensive and defensive coordinators (Cam Cameron and Wade Phillips) earlier in the offseason.

The Chargers should think outside the box. I’d try to lure Dick Vermeil out of retirement for one year and pair him with Mike Singletary or Ron Rivera or Jim Caldwell or some other ascending assistant coach.

It would be a mistake to turn this team over to an inexperienced head coach. Has a rookie head coach ever won the Super Bowl? The goal in San Diego is to win Super Bowl XLII. A rookie or a well-traveled retread (Norv Turner) is unlikely to get the Chargers where they need to go in the AFC, which is home to the Colts, Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, Bengals and Jaguars, teams with enough talent to win it all.

The Colts, Patriots and Ravens are all led by previous Super Bowl winners.

What is next for Marty?

He won’t experience the same fate as Dungy, who quickly landed a dream gig with Peyton Manning, the league’s best quarterback, and Bill Polian, the league’s best general manager.

Dungy’s ego allows him to work for a control-freak GM. Dungy is content coaching and letting Polian handle personnel. Marty doesn’t work that way. Marty wants ultimate authority. He and Carl Peterson tangled over personnel.

Marty will land another coaching job. But he’ll never coach another team as talented as the one he leaves behind in San Diego. Monday’s events all but ensure that Marty Schottenheimer will never win a Super Bowl.

Direckshun
02-14-2007, 11:40 AM
The guy's a great coach. Turned three joke franchises into perennial winners.

No doubt in my mind he'll go to some other loser franchise and turn them into something real.

I'm a big fan of Marty. I wish him the best.

Chiefnj
02-14-2007, 11:50 AM
If the Chargers go down the tubes the next three years, are they still a greatly talented team or would Marty have gotten a bunch of underachievers to overachieve?

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 11:52 AM
If the Chargers go down the tubes the next three years, are they still a greatly talented team or would Marty have gotten a bunch of underachievers to overachieve?

They're obviously a talented team, but another variable has been introduced into the mix - MORALE.

The players apparently LOVED Marty. The team may go down the tubes due to lackluster effort, which invalidates the entire argument.

StcChief
02-14-2007, 11:56 AM
Marty choked away his best shot at SB......

somebody in the NFL had to be Marty, who else would their be to kick.

BIG_DADDY
02-14-2007, 11:59 AM
Marty choked away his best shot at SB......

somebody in the NFL had to be Marty, who else would their be to kick.

NO. Marty wasn't the problem in that game it was player execution. SD has had top draft picks forever, only Marty put it together for them. Cutting Marty now is total BS for him but it is totally in our best interest.

ck_IN
02-14-2007, 12:14 PM
BD is exactly right. It wasn't Marty's fault that the players gave the game away. I mean seriously, head butting a Pat right after a big defensive play that would've forced a 3rd or 4th and long? That's a special kind of dumb.

Marty will land somewhere but he may not have enough time to build another SD or 90's Chiefs.

Sure-Oz
02-14-2007, 12:26 PM
Marty i dont think is to be blamed on this one, its bs they fired him NOW of all things but hey, ill take it! He is a good coach and will be somewhere.

Chiefnj
02-14-2007, 12:30 PM
According to Whitlock Marty committed career suicide by wanting to hire his own coordinators? Didn't Marty hire all the other coordinators and positions coaches that left?

ck_IN
02-14-2007, 12:36 PM
That's just it. Spanos was on the news saying the 'Maty's job is safe' line came when they thought they'd keep all the assistants. What GM/Owner worth their NFL salt assumes a team with an AFC best record would keep its assistants? That's just a strawman that Spanos/Smith is tossing out there for some reason.

Good luck Marty. Find an NFC team please.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 12:37 PM
According to Whitlock Marty committed career suicide by wanting to hire his own coordinators? Didn't Marty hire all the other coordinators and positions coaches that left?

CK hit the nail on the head. They're scrambling for excuses because they got caught with their pants down.

keg in kc
02-14-2007, 12:42 PM
Martyocre never had or never will have a chance at a Superbowl. Call it coaching, call it karma, call it whatever you will, the fact, as proven time after time after time, is that he can't win in the playoffs. End of story.

Brock
02-14-2007, 12:43 PM
Martyocre never had or never will have a chance at a Superbowl. Call it coaching, call it karma, call it whatever you will, the fact, as proven time after time after time, is that he can't win in the playoffs. End of story.

I can't believe the excuses chiefs fans are still making for this guy. Also notably funny is the "wull, he's bedder'n Herm" even though when it matters, HE ISN'T.

keg in kc
02-14-2007, 12:50 PM
I can't believe the excuses chiefs fans are still making for this guy. Also notably funny is the "wull, he's bedder'n Herm" even though when it matters, HE ISN'T.What I like best is when you see folks bitching about Carl, the Hunts, the whole franchise, how they're so focused on filling the seats rather than winning, and point at the fact that we haven't won a playoff game in over a decade as proof. And then these very same people will turn around and talk about how great Marty is.

Good fun!

BIG_DADDY
02-14-2007, 12:58 PM
What I like best is when you see folks bitching about Carl, the Hunts, the whole franchise, how they're so focused on filling the seats rather than winning, and point at the fact that we haven't won a playoff game in over a decade as proof. And then these very same people will turn around and talk about how great Marty is.

Good fun!

Right. All you had to do was look at SD's last game to see how many chances that team had to win and how time after time players failed to execute or do something stupid. You can go ahead and still be angry at him fro what he did here but Marty was not the reason they failed to move forward in the playoffs To assume he would have blown it later is a big assumption. You know what assuming does right?

BIG DADDY

Glad to see Marty leaving the AFC West.

Brock
02-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Right. All you had to do was look at SD's last game to see how many chances that team had to win and how time after time players failed to execute or do something stupid.

Yeah, it's always something, isn't it? That 5-13 playoff record and not one playoff win in 13 years, is just an amazing freaking coincidence.

CoMoChief
02-14-2007, 01:08 PM
Great Oline

Promising QB who will only get better

Best RB/FB combo in NFL

Best TE in NFL

WR's could be better but as KC has shown, you have a Gates or Gonzalez with a great running game you don't need a true #1WR.

Great 3-4 Dline including the best (or top 3) DT in the NFL.

Best overall defensive player in NFL.

Good surrounding LB core.

Secondary could use some work.

If the Chargers focus on WR's and the secondary this offseason they could go a long ways. If I were them I would try and get Nate Clements. Perhaps trade up to get Dwayne Jarrett depending on what he does at the combine. SD has some room the trade up this season. SD has most of the starters locked up for another few seasons. AJ Smith was retarded for keeping Marty as long as he did this off season. Cam Cameron would have been the perfect candidate for the job. SD had a very good offense and you don't fix what's not broken (cough cough Herm, cough).

Baby Lee
02-14-2007, 01:08 PM
What I like best is when you see folks bitching about Carl, the Hunts, the whole franchise, how they're so focused on filling the seats rather than winning, and point at the fact that we haven't won a playoff game in over a decade as proof. And then these very same people will turn around and talk about how great Marty is.

Good fun!
This is like being married to Roseanne Barr, and bitching about some period when she was relatively fit and attractive. Ooh, she wasn't Carmen Electra. Well, the rest of the time you've been married to a fat slob.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 01:20 PM
This is like being married to Roseanne Barr, and bitching about some period when she was relatively fit and attractive. Ooh, she wasn't Carmen Electra. Well, the rest of the time you've been married to a fat slob.

Some of us would have never married Rosanne Barr in the first place, even if we had known that she'd be hot for a short period. :D

Baby Lee
02-14-2007, 01:27 PM
Some of us would have never married Rosanne Barr in the first place, even if we had known that she'd be hot for a short period. :D
You do realize that in my analogy; Married to Roseanne = Being a Chiefs fan?

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 01:28 PM
You do realize that in my analogy; Married to Roseanne = Being a Chiefs fan?

Yes, I misworded my response.

Some of us WISH we would have never married Rosanne Barr...

Chiefs Pantalones
02-14-2007, 01:28 PM
What I like best is when you see folks bitching about Carl, the Hunts, the whole franchise, how they're so focused on filling the seats rather than winning, and point at the fact that we haven't won a playoff game in over a decade as proof. And then these very same people will turn around and talk about how great Marty is.

Good fun!

What I like best is these same people you're describing are the same people that have season tickets. If you don't like what the team is doing or what direction they're heading (constant mediocrity in the Chiefs case) the best way to let the organization know is to drop your season tickets if you have them. Why pay for a loser? I'm a fan, but that doesn't make me less of one because I don't have season tickets. Although, according to Carl, it does.

Brock
02-14-2007, 01:28 PM
You do realize that in my analogy; Married to Roseanne = Being a Chiefs fan?

At least the bitch stopped making promises she couldn't keep. Some guys are just masochists I guess.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 01:30 PM
You do realize that in my analogy; Married to Roseanne = Being a Chiefs fan?

By the way, I assume in your analogy the "period when she was relatively fit and attractive" was the years when Marty was coach.

I would remind you that even when she was fit and attractive, she was still Rosanne Barr - loud and annoying, as always.

Baby Lee
02-14-2007, 01:44 PM
By the way, I assume in your analogy the "period when she was relatively fit and attractive" was the years when Marty was coach.

I would remind you that even when she was fit and attractive, she was still Rosanne Barr - loud and annoying, as always.
I guess it's just a matter of perspective, if a Patriots Fan [One Mr. Brad Pitt-Jolie] said Marty was subpar, I'd have to shrug and concede. But when a Chiefs fan says it, my response is 'well that's as good as you/us guys have ever had it.'

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 01:47 PM
I guess it's just a matter of perspective, if a Patriots Fan [One Mr. Brad Pitt-Jolie] said Marty was subpar, I'd have to shrug and concede. But when a Chiefs fan says it, my response is 'well that's as good as you/us guys have ever had it.'

If one lived in a vacuum, or was a defeatist, that would be perfectly valid. But it doesn't matter if that's as good as we've ever had it. We've already seen better, with other teams.

keg in kc
02-14-2007, 01:55 PM
I guess it's just a matter of perspective, if a Patriots Fan [One Mr. Brad Pitt-Jolie] said Marty was subpar, I'd have to shrug and concede. But when a Chiefs fan says it, my response is 'well that's as good as you/us guys have ever had it.'That's sort of like when you really want a steak, but all you have is a can of spam. So you settle for the spam. It might even taste okay if you're hungry enough, but at the end of the day it's still just spam.

And someone, somewhere, is eating your steak. And laughing.




I don't really know what all that means, but it sounded interesting.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 02:01 PM
That week you slept in a cardboard box was FAR superior to the rest of your life sleeping in a doorway and getting stepped on.

You should be thankful for that box, and shame on you for wishing that you had an apartment.

Baby Lee
02-14-2007, 02:06 PM
That week you slept in a cardboard box was FAR superior to the rest of your life sleeping in a doorway and getting stepped on.

You should be thankful for that box, and shame on you for wishing that you had an apartment.
I think you're extending the metaphor too far. More like, you should be ashamed of the home you bought and paid for and raised your family in, because it's possible to own a Central Park West Penthouse Condo [others have done it], so I'm glad I left my home and family to walk the earth homeless like Caine in Kung Fu.

Brock
02-14-2007, 02:07 PM
That week you slept in a cardboard box was FAR superior to the rest of your life sleeping in a doorway and getting stepped on.

You should be thankful for that box, and shame on you for wishing that you had an apartment.

My wife stopped giving me fiery cases of gonorhea, now she just refuses to have sex with me. You don't know what you got until it's gone.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 02:08 PM
I think you're extending the metaphor too far. More like, you should be ashamed of the home you bought and paid for and raised your family in, because it's possible to own a Central Park West Penthouse Condo [others have done it], so I'm glad I left my home and family to walk the earth homeless like Caine in Kung Fu.

We didn't build that house. Cleveland did. They sold it to us in "as is" condition. It looked great to the appraiser at the time, but they had no idea that the plumbing was shot and the wiring needed replaced.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 02:10 PM
Furthermore, I guess since we, as of yet, have not been able to afford that condo, we should just give up on it and live comfortably in our house we built, even though we know it's only adequate?

Baby Lee
02-14-2007, 02:13 PM
Furthermore, I guess since we, as of yet, have not been able to afford that condo, we should just give up on it and live comfortably in our house we built, even though we know it's only adequate?
Do you live on CPW? If not, why not? What is wrong with your character?
Only the very best in the world for htis, right?
Haven't you been embarassed enough by your mediocre surroundings, your mediocre wife, and mediocre kids, and mediocre friends?

STEP UP!!!

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 02:20 PM
Do you live on CPW? If not, why not? What is wrong with your character?
Only the very best in the world for htis, right?
Haven't you been embarassed enough by your mediocre surroundings, your mediocre wife, and mediocre kids, and mediocre friends?

STEP UP!!!

ROFL

You've gone over the edge.

keg in kc
02-14-2007, 02:35 PM
My wife stopped giving me fiery cases of gonorhea, now she just refuses to have sex with me. You don't know what you got until it's gone.Perfect.

Bonus points for comparing martyocre to an STD.

shaneo69
02-14-2007, 04:38 PM
That week you slept in a cardboard box was FAR superior to the rest of your life sleeping in a doorway and getting stepped on.

You should be thankful for that box, and shame on you for wishing that you had an apartment.

This has been Carl/Gretz' spiel ever since the '90's ended.

ChiefsLV
02-14-2007, 06:48 PM
Right. All you had to do was look at SD's last game to see how many chances that team had to win and how time after time players failed to execute or do something stupid. You can go ahead and still be angry at him fro what he did here but Marty was not the reason they failed to move forward in the playoffs To assume he would have blown it later is a big assumption. You know what assuming does right?

BIG DADDY

Glad to see Marty leaving the AFC West.

It's never Marty is it? His players just magically manage to **** up in every playoff game. It's the same story every time. I'm surprised people are still shocked when it happens and they still defend Marty after it happens over and over and over again.