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recxjake
02-14-2007, 02:25 PM
For sale: A smaller Chrysler

DaimlerChrysler to cut 13,000 jobs, close plants, eyes possible sale of troubled North American automaker.
By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
February 14 2007: 2:36 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Chrysler Group will be cutting about 13,000 workers over the next three years and the company's German parent, DaimlerChrysler, may be cutting Chrysler itself as it weighs a sale or spin-off the unit - a move that could cast the nine-year old merger that formed the global automaker as a failure.

A German publication, Manager Magazin, reported that DaimlerChrysler Chairman Dieter Zetsche had met with General Motors Chairman Rick Wagoner about a possible sale of Chrysler to the No. 1 U.S. automaker, which has itself been struggling, cutting jobs and closing plants.

Zetsche and other company executives would not comment specifically on that report, other than to say the company was looking at various options for its troubled American unit.

"Please understand we can not provide you with any more details at this point in time," Zetsche said at a news conference at Chrysler's Auburn Hills, Mich., headquarters.

But he seemed far more open to the idea of a sale of Chrysler than he had been in the past. When questioned whether the company's statement meant it is looking a sale of the unit, he responded "this means all options are on the table."

Shares of DaimlerChrysler (Charts) jumped nearly 8 percent in afternoon trading in New York, after closing up 4.6 percent in Frankfurt on the possible sale of Chrysler, the jobs cuts and generally positive 2006 results for the parent company despite mounting losses at Chrysler. (More on jobs cuts) (More on earnings)

The announcements seemed to confirm that the 1998 purchase by DaimlerChrysler has provided little lift to the Chrysler Group brands - Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep. Chrysler Group has seen its sales tumble nearly 19 percent since the merger was completed in 1999, to only 12.9 percent of U.S. sales - putting Chrysler in fourth place in the U.S. market last year. The North American automaker, prior to the latest announcements, had eliminated a third of its jobs, closed 16 plants and facilities and dropped one of its brands - Plymouth, since the merger.

But the merger and all the previous cost-cutting moves could not reverse the long slide in sales that dropped DaimlerChrysler from its traditional No. 3 spot in the U.S. market last year to No. 4 behind Toyota Motor (Charts).

General Motors, which is struggling with its own losses, plant closings and turnaround plans, had no comment on the report out of Germany. Dave Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, said he would be shocked to see GM and Chrysler get together, although he said they could expand some areas of cooperation, such as an alliance on hybrid vehicles.

"I think the chance of any chance of a GM tie would be absolutely minimal," Cole sale. "If you were GM, would you really want another company that is going through its own turnaround?"

And Cole said that the financially successful global automakers such as Toyota or Honda (Charts) are not likely to buy Chrysler, given the success they're already seeing in North America. But he wouldn't rule out other buyers.

"The challenge is who would be a buyer," said Cole of a possible sale of Chrysler. "Maybe a Chinese company that really wants entrance into U.S. market or Renault-Nissan (Charts) would see it fit with its strategy. But it's tough."

Carlos Ghosn, CEO of both Renault and Nissan, has expressed a desire to have a North American automaker join the alliance between his two companies. His talks with GM about doing so failed last summer, though.

Kevin Tynan, auto analyst at Argus Research, said he believes Chrysler will end up being sold due to pressure from DaimlerChrysler's shareholders, but he thinks a sale to a private equity group is more likely than combination with another automaker. He said the unit could go for as little as $14 billion to $20 billion.

"There's value to those brands," he said. "I think relative to Ford (Charts), there's less dead weight. Nine years later, it's probably the right thing to do. I think there's a feeling in Germany that it's time to cut bait."

Dave Lane
02-14-2007, 02:30 PM
Guess unless GMs health care issues are handled they are next...

Dave

StcChief
02-14-2007, 02:36 PM
Crysler = bait. ROFL

InChiefsHell
02-14-2007, 02:38 PM
Wow. I had no idea that Chrysler was in such trouble. I mean, it seem to me that of the American auto makers, they are turning out good vehicles...nothing like the 80's...weird...

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 02:39 PM
Sorry jake, but misery doesn't love company.

It doesn't matter how many of these you post, it's not gonna improve GM's outlook any.

HemiEd
02-14-2007, 02:44 PM
Wow, 14 to 20 billion would buy it? Chrysler had 12 billion in cash/reserves when Daimler took over. I am pretty sure that was in Germany before the ink dried on the "merger."

morphius
02-14-2007, 02:46 PM
Wow. I had no idea that Chrysler was in such trouble. I mean, it seem to me that of the American auto makers, they are turning out good vehicles...nothing like the 80's...weird...
I think that they have been putting out some of the more innovating looking vehicles. I mean heck, all the trucks now look better because of the Ram's styling. Of course pimping the Hemi, and then gas prices jumping to $3 didn't help them at all.

InChiefsHell
02-14-2007, 02:53 PM
I think that they have been putting out some of the more innovating looking vehicles. I mean heck, all the trucks now look better because of the Ram's styling. Of course pimping the Hemi, and then gas prices jumping to $3 didn't help them at all.

I guess that's gotta be it, but it just SEEMED like Chrysler was doing well. Dropping to number 4 is a shocker to me. I mean, they were always behind Ford and GM, but being edged out by Toyota is weird.

...maybe it's my location, but it seems that Toyota is an afterthought here in the Midwest. I guess from my vantage point, Chrysler is doing well. Must be the Coasts or something.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 02:56 PM
I guess that's gotta be it, but it just SEEMED like Chrysler was doing well. Dropping to number 4 is a shocker to me. I mean, they were always behind Ford and GM, but being edged out by Toyota is weird.

...maybe it's my location, but it seems that Toyota is an afterthought here in the Midwest. I guess from my vantage point, Chrysler is doing well. Must be the Coasts or something.

The Toyota dealership here in Des Moines is the largest car dealership, regardless of brand, in it's region, which I believe includes Nebraska and Minnesota.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:03 PM
It's to bad... I'd like GM to pick them up....
Combine Jeep and Hummer...
Create a Corvette division... Corvette, Viper, Camaro and Challenger... wow... American Muscle at its best
GM stopped making minivans... who makes the best minivans... Chrysler
Use the Dealer network to fill in weak GM areas
Take the good products and keep them going.
Take the extra production into GM plants to keep them at full productivity and close all other plants.
It will keep GM as the world's biggerst automaker

HemiEd
02-14-2007, 03:04 PM
I guess that's gotta be it, but it just SEEMED like Chrysler was doing well. Dropping to number 4 is a shocker to me. I mean, they were always behind Ford and GM, but being edged out by Toyota is weird.

...maybe it's my location, but it seems that Toyota is an afterthought here in the Midwest. I guess from my vantage point, Chrysler is doing well. Must be the Coasts or something.

Go to California and you won't see many American Cars period. You gotta have a Toyota, Honda or Nissan! If you are really a success you will have a Lexus, Infiniti or Beemer.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:05 PM
Sorry jake, but misery doesn't love company.

It doesn't matter how many of these you post, it's not gonna improve GM's outlook any.

GM is doing just fine.... They are back in black

morphius
02-14-2007, 03:06 PM
I guess that's gotta be it, but it just SEEMED like Chrysler was doing well. Dropping to number 4 is a shocker to me. I mean, they were always behind Ford and GM, but being edged out by Toyota is weird.

...maybe it's my location, but it seems that Toyota is an afterthought here in the Midwest. I guess from my vantage point, Chrysler is doing well. Must be the Coasts or something.
I'm guessing it was more your family. My family had a couple Dodge's back in the 70's, but since then everything has been Toyota or Mazda, until my Dad picked up the Hemi Ram, mostly because he always liked the Hemi's.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:12 PM
GM is doing just fine.... They are back in black

Chrysler will be fine too. After all they learn the "slash and burn" technique from GM.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:13 PM
Chrysler will be fine too. After all they learn the "slash and burn" technique from GM.

and Ford.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:16 PM
Toyota fears U.S. backlash over gains

It cites political, social risks

February 13, 2007

BY JOE GUY COLLIER and JUSTIN HYDE

FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITERS

Toyota Motor Corp. is bracing for possible political and consumer backlash caused by its rapid U.S. growth, according to an internal report obtained by the Free Press.

Toyota executives have publicly downplayed the importance of predictions that the Japan-based company will pass General Motors Corp. this year as the world's largest automaker. But the Toyota report says the company could face criticism because its U.S. sales are increasing while Detroit's automakers are losing sales and shuttering plants.

"With recent market-share gains and sales continuing to increase, we are becoming the de facto leader of the industry -- that brings risks and responsibilities," according to a presentation by Seiichi (Sean) Sudo, president of Toyota Engineering & Manufacturing in North America. "Our competitors are jealous of our success."

Detroit's congressional allies of GM, Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group say it's not jealousy. They say Japanese automakers are exploiting an artificially weak yen to make their products more affordable.

U.S. Rep. Sander Levin, D-Royal Oak, said he is considering legislation aimed at pressuring Japan and other countries to stop manipulating their currencies to boost exports.

Japanese automakers "are importing the more expensive cars to the U.S., and getting the benefit of the yen imbalance," Levin said. Japan has "a clear-cut set of policies, and we don't have any."

In the briefing to other Toyota managers, Sudo cited political and social risks. The report, left unsecured on computers at the company's Georgetown, Ky., complex, said Toyota could come under fire for:

Selling vehicles to U.S. customers with high proportions of foreign-made parts. Less than half of all content of Toyota vehicles sold in the United States is made in the United States or Canada.

Not including enough minority-owned businesses in its supplier base. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, leader of the Rainbow PUSH activist group, has asked Toyota to improve diversity efforts.

Leaving a vacuum in U.S. communities as GM, Ford, Chrysler and their suppliers shed plants and workers.

"A Democratic Congress, particularly those members with districts hit by Big 3 and supplier plant closings, may call for further oversight of the industry and Japanese companies in particular," the presentation said.

Michigan Dems threaten to act

Toyota's concerns are not far off the mark. With a new Democratic majority in Congress, Michigan's Democratic lawmakers have pledged to press harder on trade and other issues where Detroit automakers say Japanese companies have an unfair advantage.

Last week, two Democratic House members from Michigan -- Levin and Rep. John Dingell of Dearborn -- sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, urging him to press Japan over the value of the yen during a meeting of world economic powers.

Dingell, Levin and two other congressmen said that a weak yen had helped Japanese automakers increase their exports to the United States by more than 30% in 2006. Detroit automakers and their congressional allies say the yen bestows up to a $4,000-per-vehicle benefit for Japanese automakers.

The Harbour-Felax Group, a Royal Oak automotive consulting firm, estimated the yen benefit at $1,054 per vehicle in a study it released last fall.

"It is a little-understood fact that Toyota's exports to the United States are almost as great as the number of vehicles produced in the United States by Toyota," the lawmakers wrote. "We are certain that the weak yen is also boosting Japanese exports in other economic sectors and is having a significant impact on many U.S. producers."

Toyota's public image and ability to operate with few barriers in the United States are significant because this is the world's biggest market and a source of huge and profitable growth for Toyota. Its U.S. sales rose 12.5% last year, and it is expected to have $13 billion in profit this fiscal year.

Toyota passed Ford and the Chrysler Group in global vehicle sales and could pass GM thanks, in large part, to its ability to beat Detroit on its home turf. The Camry has been the best-selling car in the United States in nine of the past 10 years. Toyota's U.S. market share has doubled since 1996.

Toyota as a scapegoat?

Toyota would not comment about Sudo's presentation except to say it was a 5-year planning document that looks at challenges the company faces. The Free Press reported last week the report also contained information about Toyota's plans to hold down increases in U.S. labor costs and its worries about maintaining quality.

"Toyota will continue to focus on further enhancing productivity, quality and safety, and this was the essence of the planning document," spokesman Daniel Sieger said.

Toyota officials have said the possibility that their company would pass GM as the world's largest automaker is irrelevant to them and to consumers. Sudo's presentation, though, shows that Toyota sees a possible downside, especially in light of U.S. automakers' financial difficulties.

"Toyota will be a 'scapegoat,' " one slide says.

"Society expects that we will make the same economic and social contribution as the companies we replace," the accompanying text says. "And we need to position ourselves to respond to corporate image attacks."

Toyota has been putting millions of dollars into efforts aimed at promoting its benefits to American society. In Washington, subway stops frequented by policy makers are plastered with ads extolling Toyota's U.S. employment figures.

Next weekend, Toyota will hit the track in Daytona Beach, Fla., for the start of the NASCAR Nextel Cup season, the first entry by a Japanese automaker in the nation's most popular racing series. In the past year, Toyota also has run TV ads and put up billboards touting its economic impact on the United States.

'Beat but don't drub'

Toyota executives are acutely aware of their position in the United States, said Matthew May, author of "The Elegant Solution: Toyota's Formula for Mastering Innovation."

Toyota has a culture that stresses both competition and humility, said May, who spent eight years as a senior adviser and instructor for the University of Toyota, the company's Torrance, Calif.-based corporate college developed to teach the Toyota Way principles.

Toyota has ambitious goals, he said.

"At the same time, you have to balance that with the mother ship who is saying, 'Beat them but don't drub them,' " May said. " 'You don't need to spike the ball in the end zone' is really the message."

Toyota has one major factor in its favor as it tries to prevent backlash. The U.S. sales growth also has fueled a rapidly growing manufacturing base that hits more states and congressional districts each year.

Toyota has 13 U.S. plants, from West Virginia to California. Its first was a joint venture with GM in 1984 in California. Now states are lining up for what is expected to be several more in the next 10 years.

Last month at the auto show in Detroit, Bob Lutz, GM's head of global product development, said: "It is my considered opinion that Toyota has more clout in Washington than GM."

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:21 PM
Enough already. You're getting back to posting any propaganda you can find to make GM look better.

Get over it already.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:23 PM
Enough already. You're getting back to posting any propaganda you can find to make GM look better.

Get over it already.

**** off, you can't be a hawk fan, hawk fan's aren't little faggets like you

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:24 PM
**** off, you can't be a hawk fan, hawk fan's aren't little faggets like you

ROFL

Nothing like taking your credibility and flushing it down a public toilet...

Dave Lane
02-14-2007, 03:25 PM
Is this a bannable offense or just one to revoke thread creation privileges?

Not sure

Dave

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:25 PM
Is this a bannable offense or just one to revoke thread creation privileges?

Not sure

Dave

I'm sure I can just wait for the complaints to pile up again.

morphius
02-14-2007, 03:26 PM
One, that post has NOTHING to do with this thread, if you are going to post this stuff at least stick with the thread.

Two, it is good to see that Toyota is building more plants in the US, it is good to see that someone is making up for all the of GM and Ford layoffs...

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:26 PM
One, that post has NOTHING to do with this thread, if you are going to post this stuff at least stick with the thread.

Two, it is good to see that Toyota is building more plants in the US, it is good to see that someone is making up for all the of GM and Ford layoffs...

Toyota is a Jap company. They SUCK! GM RULES!!!

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:27 PM
ROFL

Nothing like taking your credibility and flushing it down a public toilet...

lol, my credibility on a message board?? Wow, I'm hurt.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:27 PM
One, that post has NOTHING to do with this thread, if you are going to post this stuff at least stick with the thread.

Two, it is good to see that Toyota is building more plants in the US, it is good to see that someone is making up for all the of GM and Ford layoffs...

Are you ****ing stupid? Why is Chrysler for sale? Toyota.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:27 PM
lol, my credibility on a message board?? Wow, I'm hurt.

So you admit that you're just here to talk shit and you don't care if anybody takes your opinions seriously?

That outta do wonders for you over in the DC forum.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:29 PM
Are you ****ing stupid? Why is Chrysler for sale? Toyota.

ROFL

Toyota is killing the American auto-maker, even the ones owned by German companies!

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:29 PM
So you admit that you're just here to talk shit and you don't care if anybody takes your opinions seriously?

That outta do wonders for you over in the DC forum.

People's political opinions should not change due to what chiefsplanet.com posters have to say.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:31 PM
ROFL

Toyota is killing the American auto-maker, even the ones owned by German companies!

Exactly... and did you read the article???? It explains it all.... but you have to flex your big scary mod muscles before you even read it.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:32 PM
People's political opinions should not change due to what chiefsplanet.com posters have to say.

Interesting.

If that's the case, then you keep posting this stuff here to be annoying. After all, people's opinions aren't gonna change, that's what you said.

You basically just told everybody here that you're a TROLL. Nice work.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:34 PM
Exactly... and did you read the article???? It explains it all.... but you have to flex your big scary mod muscles before you even read it.

ROFL

1) I read it.

2) The "mod" shot is becoming the calling card du jour for someone who has to find a backdoor out of an argument because they can't think of anything better to say.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:35 PM
Interesting.

If that's the case, then you keep posting this stuff here to be annoying. After all, people's opinions aren't gonna change, that's what you said.

You basically just told everybody here that you're a TROLL. Nice work.

I'm just stating my views on topics... I don't care if people agree with me or not.

There are pro GM people, pro Republican people all over this board that agree with me.

Cave Johnson
02-14-2007, 03:35 PM
It's to bad... I'd like GM to pick them up....
Combine Jeep and Hummer...
Create a Corvette division... Corvette, Viper, Camaro and Challenger... wow... American Muscle at its best
GM stopped making minivans... who makes the best minivans... Chrysler
Use the Dealer network to fill in weak GM areas
Take the good products and keep them going.
Take the extra production into GM plants to keep them at full productivity and close all other plants.
It will keep GM as the world's biggerst automaker

And from today at 11:57 a.m.

well ya got me on the to/too, but the genius really was a typo!

So you're telling me someone who can't master the to/too distinction is going to law school?

Oh, and biggerest?

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:37 PM
ROFL

1) I read it.

2) The "mod" shot is becoming the calling card du jour for someone who has to find a backdoor out of an argument because they can't think of anything better to say.

It says that Toyota has anywhere from 1,000 to 4,000 dollar advantage just because the Jap's are ****ing the U.S. over with their YEN. Do you think it's funny that 70,000 Americans are now out of work because of this. How do you expect companies to compete when there is such an imbalance? This is just the YEN.... then add the healthcare costs, legacy costs... this is ****ing terrible man, and you just think toyota is the best thing since sliced bread.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:37 PM
I'm just stating my views on topics... I don't care if people agree with me or not.

There are pro GM people, pro Republican people all over this board that agree with me.

You just said that you don't care if they agree with you and then you try to justify your posts with the idea that many people agree with you.

Make up your mind.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:38 PM
And from today at 11:57 a.m.



So you're telling me someone who can't master the to/too distinction is going to law school?

Oh, and biggerest?

I'm sorry I make mistakes typing.... I don't consider Chiefsplant an area where I need to practice my grammar..... and yes I am going to law school.

recxjake
02-14-2007, 03:41 PM
You just said that you don't care if they agree with you and then you try to justify your posts with the idea that many people agree with you.

Make up your mind.

I have to go to class, keep the millions of Americans getting ****ed by Toyota in your prayers tonight you... i dont even wanna say it.

Cave Johnson
02-14-2007, 03:42 PM
I'm sorry I make mistakes typing.... I don't consider Chiefsplant an area where I need to practice my grammer..... and yes I am going to law school.

Accredited?

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:43 PM
It says that Toyota has anywhere from 1,000 to 4,000 dollar advantage just because the Jap's are ****ing the U.S. over with their YEN. Do you think it's funny that 70,000 Americans are now out of work because of this. How do you expect companies to compete when there is such an imbalance? This is just the YEN.... then add the healthcare costs, legacy costs... this is ****ing terrible man, and you just think toyota is the best thing since sliced bread.

1) Toyota has NOTHING to do with Japanese currency or exchange rates. If the Japanese GOVERNMENT is screwing us over with the YEN, it's up to our government to fix it, not Toyota.

2) 70,000 Americans are out of work because US auto-makers, and US corporations in general, don't run business strategically. Focus is on short-term return to shareholders, resulting in inefficient processes and poorly-conceived business plans.

3) The legacy costs are 100% the result of the advent of labor unions in this country and have NOTHING AT ALL to do with Toyota.

4) You've obviously NEVER read one word of any response I've ever made in any one of your threads. I own a Toyota AND A CHRYSLER. My Toyota is a dependable, inexpensive, and environmentally sound investment. But I refuse to be categorized as being somehow less American just because I own a Japanese car.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 03:44 PM
I have to go to class, keep the millions of Americans getting ****ed by Toyota in your prayers tonight you... i dont even wanna say it.

Exactly the type of elitist bullshit I'm talking about.

morphius
02-14-2007, 03:55 PM
Are you ****ing stupid? Why is Chrysler for sale? Toyota.
Because they have sucked for a long time, hell, they were already bought by Daimler, that was even before Toyota took the lead. I'm mean hell, they tried to pass off the Dodge Daytona as a sports car.

But I guess I need to blame Toyota for the big three ineptness...

Logical
02-14-2007, 04:01 PM
**** off, you can't be a hawk fan, hawk fan's aren't little faggets like you

Honestly this twerp is more annoying on the subject of GM than Believer was doing his evangelism. That is saying quite a bit.

Halfcan
02-14-2007, 04:03 PM
That really sucks for the workers-I hope they land on their feet.

morphius
02-14-2007, 04:05 PM
1) Toyota has NOTHING to do with Japanese currency or exchange rates. If the Japanese GOVERNMENT is screwing us over with the YEN, it's up to our government to fix it, not Toyota.

2) 70,000 Americans are out of work because US auto-makers, and US corporations in general, don't run business strategically. Focus is on short-term return to shareholders, resulting in inefficient processes and poorly-conceived business plans.

3) The legacy costs are 100% the result of the advent of labor unions in this country and have NOTHING AT ALL to do with Toyota.

4) You've obviously NEVER read one word of any response I've ever made in any one of your threads. I own a Toyota AND A CHRYSLER. My Toyota is a dependable, inexpensive, and environmentally sound investment. But I refuse to be categorized as being somehow less American just because I own a Japanese car.
Stopping showing up with your facts, GM ROCKS!!!

Dave Lane
02-14-2007, 04:13 PM
Exactly... and did you read the article???? It explains it all.... but you have to flex your big scary mod muscles before you even read it.

Boy I'd guess thats 2. Maybe if you can get to three insults to the mods including the cursing they'd give you a six month ban....

Dave

Dave Lane
02-14-2007, 04:18 PM
Honestly this twerp is more annoying on the subject of GM than Believer was doing his evangelism. That is saying quite a bit.


Thats funny I almost thought maybe Believer is another account for Rejected but then I thought wait at least Believer can spell and string a 3rd grade sentence together so they can't be the same guy. Actually I did think Rejected could be W.

Dave

HemiEd
02-14-2007, 04:23 PM
3) The legacy costs are 100% the result of the advent of labor unions in this country and have NOTHING AT ALL to do with Toyota..

The labor unions, that helped elevate lunch box Bob to the financial ability to own a car, are now to Toyota's advantage. Toyota does not have the liability but enjoy the asset.

Frazod
02-14-2007, 04:27 PM
Honestly this twerp is more annoying on the subject of GM than Believer was doing his evangelism. That is saying quite a bit.

I'm starting to wonder if he isn't on Ford's payroll.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 04:30 PM
The labor unions, that helped elevate lunch box Bob to the financial ability to own a car, are now to Toyota's advantage. Toyota does not have the liability but enjoy the asset.

I don't disagree.

But those circumstances are in NO WAY Toyota's fault. Toyota didn't even EXIST when this problem began to sprout.

They're taking advantage of the system to the best of their ability. If it's so anti-competitive, why isn't our government doing anything about it? After all, this is the best administration ever according to rexcjake.

Silock
02-14-2007, 04:36 PM
I have to go to class, keep the millions of Americans getting ****ed by Toyota in your prayers tonight you... i dont even wanna say it.

People have been getting screwed over by GM with it's shitty, inferior products for years... no complaints then?

HemiEd
02-14-2007, 04:37 PM
I don't disagree.

But those circumstances are in NO WAY Toyota's fault. Toyota didn't even EXIST when this problem began to sprout.

They're taking advantage of the system to the best of their ability. If it's so anti-competitive, why isn't our government doing anything about it? After all, this is the best administration ever according to rexcjake.


You are right, Toyota is only doing what we taught them during reconstruction after WWII.
This administration is too busy selling this country out to fix it IMO. We tried import quotas, they just made more brands. It scared them though, so they built factories over here. Now they are "American Made."
I honestly think the horse is out of the barn.
I just wish accurate quality information was enforced by the Government. There is a lot of funny shit that goes on at dealer/factory interface when it comes to warranty claims.

RJ
02-14-2007, 04:41 PM
People's political opinions should not change due to what chiefsplanet.com posters have to say.



That is a very telling statement.

chefsos
02-14-2007, 04:46 PM
The one plant that they are closing is here in Delaware. Durangos are assembled there. I guess it's a couple thousand jobs that'll be lost so that will be pretty tough indeed.

This state is well-known for giving some big ass tax breaks to corporations(well, it's gotta be known for something), so Chrysler must be hurting because I'm sure Delaware offered 'em the moon to keep this plant open.

Pitt Gorilla
02-14-2007, 04:50 PM
I recently purchased a Chrysler Town & Country. It's been a great car/van so far.

htismaqe
02-14-2007, 04:52 PM
I recently purchased a Chrysler Town & Country. It's been a great car/van so far.

That's what I have. And I've had alot of problems with it. Luckily Chrysler's warranty service is superb and our dealership is good about it.

HemiEd
02-14-2007, 04:58 PM
The one plant that they are closing is here in Delaware. Durangos are assembled there. I guess it's a couple thousand jobs that'll be lost so that will be pretty tough indeed.

This state is well-known for giving some big ass tax breaks to corporations(well, it's gotta be known for something), so Chrysler must be hurting because I'm sure Delaware offered 'em the moon to keep this plant open.

I don't know if it is still current, but that used to mean another 10,000 support jobs from vendors.
Is Sikorsky still there in Dover?

recxjake
02-14-2007, 05:08 PM
I recently purchased a Chrysler Town & Country. It's been a great car/van so far.

They make the best vans hands down.

Pitt Gorilla
02-14-2007, 05:09 PM
That's what I have. And I've had alot of problems with it. Luckily Chrysler's warranty service is superb and our dealership is good about it.Ugh, like what? (We're still in that "loving our car" stage of the honeymoon).

morphius
02-14-2007, 05:17 PM
That is a very telling statement.
I have heard meme say the exact same thing...

Take that for what it is worth.

DaneMcCloud
02-14-2007, 05:57 PM
Go to California and you won't see many American Cars period. You gotta have a Toyota, Honda or Nissan! If you are really a success you will have a Lexus, Infiniti or Beemer.

Or a Mercedes :p

Seriously though, the main reason why there's so many Toyota and Honda cars in California because they're reliable and get excellent gas mileage. Most people can't afford to drive a car that gets 9 miles to the gallon when gas is $2.89 per gallon. Especially when a 4 mile commute takes 45 minutes.

chefsos
02-14-2007, 06:01 PM
I don't know if it is still current, but that used to mean another 10,000 support jobs from vendors.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit. Local news stories describe how Newark, the town where the plant's located, more or less grew up around it.
Is Sikorsky still there in Dover?
The helicopter manufacturer? To be honest, I don't even know that they were ever here, but I'm not too bright.

boogblaster
02-14-2007, 06:03 PM
Biggest problem is sales are down.. prices are to high for normal joe to buy new every few years.. If you don't have a market, so can't sell em ...so no need to build em....

stevieray
02-14-2007, 06:10 PM
I wonder why Police Departments drive American cars.