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Ultra Peanut
02-14-2007, 08:17 PM
http://www.sportech.info/2007/02/14/tim-hardaway-hates-gay-people/

Also, it's apparently impossible for a gay person to be a good basketball player.

HolmeZz
02-14-2007, 08:18 PM
They're genetically predisposed to dribble like a girl.

Demonpenz
02-14-2007, 08:22 PM
uh oh did he find out what the utep two-step really means?

shaneo69
02-14-2007, 08:26 PM
Good. It's about time somebody decided that being PC is for wusses.

MIAdragon
02-14-2007, 08:31 PM
then why does he live in Miami, a place full of them?

Fish
02-14-2007, 08:31 PM
That's disappointing. He was my idol when I played HS BB. I wore #10 because of him...

Disappointing.....

crazycoffey
02-14-2007, 08:39 PM
He's still in the closet.

Bowser
02-14-2007, 08:41 PM
He's still in the closet.

Not after that article.

Phobia
02-14-2007, 08:45 PM
I think it's okay to hate gay people.

Personally, I am tolerant of everybody.... even gay-haters.

crazycoffey
02-14-2007, 08:47 PM
Not after that article.



well, I mean he's still in the closet and he's in denial about it, hence the article.

crazycoffey
02-14-2007, 08:49 PM
I think it's okay to hate gay people.

Personally, I am tolerant of everybody.... even gay-haters.



I heart everyone.



Happy valentines day.








BTW, it seems ironic that your name is phobia, but you are tolerant of everyone.:hmmm:

Thig Lyfe
02-14-2007, 08:52 PM
Uh oh.

RedNeckRaider
02-14-2007, 08:53 PM
I have heard other players say things less strong about gays. There has been players admit they are gay and say they did not dare admit it while playing. He is just dumb enough to say what I would guess most players feel.

Anyong Bluth
02-14-2007, 08:55 PM
Well, I don't have a thing against gay people, and the truth is he's entitled to his opinion. I at least commend him for being open about it.

Wonder if he'd feel the same way if some of the Euro players came out and said they don't want to play with black people? Listen to the clip and just insert black guy every time he says gay...

the Talking Can
02-14-2007, 08:56 PM
I hate short people.

Thig Lyfe
02-14-2007, 08:57 PM
OH... WOW.

I just listened to it.

He really did say "I hate gay people."





Wow.

big nasty kcnut
02-14-2007, 09:02 PM
He only said that cause he got dissed by don amechi.

milkman
02-14-2007, 09:07 PM
I hate short people.

Well, **** you too! :cuss:

Rausch
02-14-2007, 09:11 PM
Also, it's apparently impossible for a gay person to be a good basketball player.

I thought being gay was pretty much required to play basketball.

RJ
02-14-2007, 09:21 PM
You know, I glanced at the thread title and thought it read TimI]Conway[/I] hates gay people. I was wondering what basketball had to do with it and why he lived in Miami until I took another look. Anyhow, that was a more interesting thread.

Deberg_1990
02-14-2007, 09:27 PM
Well, I don't have a thing against gay people, and the truth is he's entitled to his opinion. I at least commend him for being open about it.

Wonder if he'd feel the same way if some of the Euro players came out and said they don't want to play with black people? Listen to the clip and just insert black guy every time he says gay...


Key difference: Nobody chooses to be black.

jidar
02-14-2007, 09:28 PM
Key difference: Nobody chooses to be black.


stop being ****ing retarded

jidar
02-14-2007, 09:28 PM
Sounds like Hardaway is some kind of faggot assed homophobe or something.

the Talking Can
02-14-2007, 09:30 PM
stop being ****ing retarded

lay off him, no one choses to be retarded....

jidar
02-14-2007, 09:32 PM
lay off him, no one choses to be retarded....


that's a good point.

noa
02-14-2007, 09:35 PM
Hey, its America. He's entitled to his express his opinion.
I just question the wisdom of tarnishing his public persona. As a celebrity, he is a commodity. He is a player coach for an ABA team and he owns a carwash business. Right or wrong, this statement could damage his career.

siberian khatru
02-14-2007, 09:40 PM
I thought being gay was pretty much required to play basketball.

The limp wrist helps on the follow-through.

KcMizzou
02-14-2007, 09:42 PM
OH... WOW.

I just listened to it.

He really did say "I hate gay people."





Wow.Did he add, "except the girls"?

RJ
02-14-2007, 09:44 PM
The limp wrist helps on the follow-through.


Ah-HA.....sounds like someone has played a little basketball himself!

NTTAWWT

Rausch
02-14-2007, 09:46 PM
Ah-HA.....sounds like someone has played a little basketball himself!

NTTAWWT

Most gay men could punk out a BBaller in under a minute...

CoMoChief
02-14-2007, 09:48 PM
Well, I don't have a thing against gay people, and the truth is he's entitled to his opinion. I at least commend him for being open about it.

Wonder if he'd feel the same way if some of the Euro players came out and said they don't want to play with black people? Listen to the clip and just insert black guy every time he says gay...


sexual orientation is a little different than race.

Thig Lyfe
02-14-2007, 09:49 PM
Key difference: Nobody chooses to be black.

I did.

Rausch
02-14-2007, 09:50 PM
sexual orientation is a little different than race.

Indeed.

Anne Heche can't change her color every 2 months...

Rausch
02-14-2007, 09:51 PM
I did.

Bull$3it.

If you did you'd put all those penis enlargement companies out of business...

CoMoChief
02-14-2007, 09:51 PM
I'm waiting for the dumbasses that claim that people don't choose to be gay - BULLSHIT.

Fish
02-14-2007, 09:52 PM
people don't choose to be gay

Thig Lyfe
02-14-2007, 09:55 PM
people don't choose to be gay

Yeah... I just don't see why people would voluntarily choose to deal with the Fred Phelpses of the world.

jidar
02-14-2007, 09:59 PM
I'm waiting for the dumbasses that claim that people don't choose to be gay - BULLSHIT.


You designed the genome. You should know.

Rausch
02-14-2007, 09:59 PM
people don't choose to be gay

It's a free country, you can choose to be whatever you want.

Doesn't mean every gay man picked his preference, but you're sure as $#it allowed to.

Fish
02-14-2007, 10:00 PM
Yeah... I just don't see why people would voluntarily choose to deal with the Fred Phelpses of the world.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/churchsign2.jpg

Ultra Peanut
02-14-2007, 10:00 PM
I'm waiting for the dumbasses that claim that people don't choose to be gay - BULLSHIT.WATCH OUT! The gays could convert you AT ANY MOMENT!

OH SHIT LOOK BEHIND YOU

Thig Lyfe
02-14-2007, 10:01 PM
WATCH OUT! The gays could convert you AT ANY MOMENT!

OH SHIT LOOK BEHIND YOU

Hey UP you seen Joe Rogan expose Ned Holness yet?

BWillie
02-14-2007, 10:02 PM
Key difference: Nobody chooses to be black.

I don't like Rump Rangers either, but do people really believe that people choose to be gay? If you gave me 10 billion dollars, I couldn't turn gay. I could try everyday to be gay, but there is no way I'd get a stiffy when some guy starts spreading his butt checks at me. Hey, you know the saying, if you think you might be gay then your gay. If you are able to ram guys in the ass with a hard on, how on earth would it be a choice? Think about it. You don't have to believe read everything you read in the bible.

Go watch gay porn all day, and try to see if you can turn yourself gay. It's not going to work dumbasses.

Ultra Peanut
02-14-2007, 10:04 PM
Hey UP you seen Joe Rogan expose Ned Holness yet?It was GLORIOUS.

RedNeckRaider
02-14-2007, 10:07 PM
I'm waiting for the dumbasses that claim that people don't choose to be gay - BULLSHIT.
What makes you think they do? I can't imagine why a guy would choose to be gay. Even though times have changed they still catch alot of shit that hetro guys don't have to deal with. I have no proof but think it must be something they are born with.

Rausch
02-14-2007, 10:10 PM
What makes you think they do? I can't imagine why a guy would choose to be gay.

I can't imagine what would make a person follow the Raiders.

BWillie
02-14-2007, 10:10 PM
What makes you think they do? I can't imagine why a guy would choose to be gay. Even though times have changed they still catch alot of shit that hetro guys don't have to deal with. I have no proof but think it must be something they are born with.

Everybody says they know a person who turned gay. Everybody will say Oh yea he turned gay. No he was gay when you were little kids. You were playing football, he was jumpin rope, he just don't have anybody to be gay with back then.

stevieray
02-14-2007, 10:11 PM
What makes you think they do? I can't imagine why a guy would choose to be gay. Even though times have changed they still catch alot of shit that hetro guys don't have to deal with. I have no proof but think it must be something they are born with.

A need to be loved by their dad? ;)

RedNeckRaider
02-14-2007, 10:12 PM
I can't imagine what would make a person follow the Raiders.
A redneck QB named Kenny Stabler

Rausch
02-14-2007, 10:12 PM
A need to be loved by their dad? ;)

I'll have to disagree there.

My dad was a d!ck and it never made me want to suck one...

Rausch
02-14-2007, 10:13 PM
A redneck QB named Kenny Stabler

So gay pride then?...

stevieray
02-14-2007, 10:15 PM
I'll have to disagree there.

My dad was a d!ck and it never made me want to suck one...

hence the smiley...

RedNeckRaider
02-14-2007, 10:15 PM
So gay pride then?...
ROFL I have been called many things in my life but this is a first!

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 10:15 PM
I must admit that I'm not fond of gay homosexuals.

Rausch
02-14-2007, 10:18 PM
ROFL I have been called many things in my life but this is a first!

Nothing better than being a "gal's" first.

*wink wink, nudge nudge.*

Easy 6
02-14-2007, 10:19 PM
I hate short people.

Short peepa got no reezun...


(Which is quite sad actually, i'm only 5'9")

boogblaster
02-14-2007, 10:25 PM
The problem with most gays is this..they think they're neat passive understanding talented misunderstood above-normallity pluses to society that are too special to be classed as normal...F*CK THAT YOU STUPID CROSSED-CIRCUITED GEEKS....

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 10:27 PM
What makes you think they do? I can't imagine why a guy would choose to be gay. Even though times have changed they still catch alot of shit that hetro guys don't have to deal with. I have no proof but think it must be something they are born with.

Wonder if its in the milk?
How can one explain how the homosexual population is up 2000 percent since 1950 yet the earths population increase is no where near that. Why are the huge homosexual population increases mostly in industrialized countries?
.

FringeNC
02-14-2007, 10:28 PM
I can't imagine why a guy would choose to be gay.

It would be nice to be able to stop off at the rest stop and get a BJ whenever you felt like it. Think if women had the sex drive and lack of restraint that men did, and that's what it would be like to be gay.

Easy 6
02-14-2007, 10:31 PM
Wonder if its in the milk?
How can one explain how the homosexual population is up 2000 percent since 1950 yet the earths population increase is no where near that. Why are the huge homosexual population increases mostly in industrialized countries?
.

As for the first question, i would guess that there were just as many gays in 1950 as there are now, its just that nobody knew about it because it wasnt acceptable to come out back then.

RedNeckRaider
02-14-2007, 10:32 PM
Wonder if its in the milk?
How can one explain how the homosexual population is up 2000 percent since 1950 yet the earths population increase is no where near that. Why are the huge homosexual population increases mostly in industrialized countries?
.
I'm no expert, I think some of it is it is a heck of a lot safer to admit to being gay nowdays. Maybe a bunch of them stayed quiet about it back then. I sure as heck can not understand why someone would choose that way of life.

Rausch
02-14-2007, 10:33 PM
I hate short people.

Which is why I'll kill you slowly from the knees up...

Ultra Peanut
02-14-2007, 10:34 PM
Wonder if its in the milk?
How can one explain how the homosexual population is up 2000 percent since 1950 yet the earths population increase is no where near that. Why are the huge homosexual population increases mostly in industrialized countries?
.Yeah. Homosexuality is just a myth created in the past century.

http://imgred.com/http://www.mrdowling.com/images/701alexander.jpg

Damn gullible penguins.

http://imgred.com/http://gaypatriot.net/wp-content/uploads/penguins.jpg

Also, black people being attracted to white people is completely unnatural. Did you see black people marrying white people in the 1800s? HELL NO!

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 10:40 PM
As for the first question, i would guess that there were just as many gays in 1950 as there are now, its just that nobody knew about it because it wasnt acceptable to come out back then.

I'll accept that as a guess.
Strippers, there are many more of them now then there was in 1950. Maybe there were just as many strippers in 1950 but because they werent acceptable, no one knew about them.

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 10:44 PM
Yeah. Homosexuality is just a myth created in the past century.

Also, black people being attracted to white people is completely unnatural. Did you see black people marrying white people in the 1800s? HELL NO!

No thats some well thought out comparable reasoning and application.... :rolleyes:

Ultra Peanut
02-14-2007, 10:47 PM
No thats some well thought out comparible reasoning and application.... :rolleyes:Well, I certainly cannot muster the mental capacity it would take to compare a sexual orientation to an occupation.

stevieray
02-14-2007, 10:50 PM
Well, I certainly cannot muster the mental capacity it would take to compare a sexual orientation to an occupation.

honest question, do you really care that this BB player hates homosexuals?

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 10:50 PM
Well, I certainly cannot muster the mental capacity it would take to compare a sexual orientation to an occupation.

Well I guess today stripping, as well as prostitution is now viewed as an occupation. So I'm guessing you would say that pedophiles are born that way too?

Rausch
02-14-2007, 10:53 PM
Y
Damn gullible penguins.

http://imgred.com/http://gaypatriot.net/wp-content/uploads/penguins.jpg

Also, black people being attracted to white people is completely unnatural. Did you see black people marrying white people in the 1800s? HELL NO!

Would it be wrong of me to admit I'd pay to watch penguins mate?

I could be wrong, but to me, it's like midgets that swim real good...

Ultra Peanut
02-14-2007, 10:54 PM
honest question, do you really care that this BB player hates homosexuals?I think it's pathetic that someone would openly admit to hating an entire group of people simply because they're different, yes.

So I'm guessing you would say that pedophiles are born that way too?Loving someone who's the same sex = being sexually attracted to children. Awesome.

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 10:58 PM
I think it's pathetic that someone would openly admit to hating an entire group of people simply because they're different, yes.

I think he dislikes homosexuality and he has a right to.

Loving someone who's the same sex = being sexually attracted to children. Awesome.

Whether you chose to address it or not, its still all sexual preferences.

HolmeZz
02-14-2007, 10:59 PM
I don't know if it's genetic, but I know nobody chooses to be gay.

I give you Exhibit A: Ted Haggard. Why would he, a man who's built his life on vilifying homosexuals, risk any of that by going ass-spelunking with a male prostitute?

picasso
02-14-2007, 10:59 PM
Would it be wrong of me to admit I'd pay to watch penguins mate?

I could be wrong, but to me, it's like midgets that swim real good...

ROFL

Damn near made me piss my pants!!

Thig Lyfe
02-14-2007, 11:02 PM
I think he dislikes homosexuality and he has a right to.


Just because he has the right to voice his opinion doesn't mean it's not pathetic.

Rausch
02-14-2007, 11:02 PM
I think it's pathetic that someone would openly admit to hating an entire group of people simply because they're different, yes.

What if it's because they suck?

Like the french?...

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 11:03 PM
Just because he has the right to voice his opinion doesn't mean it's not pathetic.

I dont like the Denver Broncos.

stevieray
02-14-2007, 11:04 PM
I think it's pathetic that someone would openly admit to hating an entire group of people simply because they're different, yes.



is it pathetic to be honest about how he feels?

isn't your decision for a sex change based on your feelings??


is this guy hating gays going to stop you in your quest to be a woman?

could it be possible that you are just looking for reinforcement for your decision?

Thig Lyfe
02-14-2007, 11:04 PM
What if it's because they suck?

Isn't that the case here?

Rausch
02-14-2007, 11:06 PM
Isn't that the case here?

If you can point me to someone who'd take 25 frenchmen over 5 gay and well trained Americans you've identified an idiot...

Reaper16
02-14-2007, 11:10 PM
Hate is certainly pathetic. Hate sucks; why endorse it? Obviously, he has a right to how he feels. But it's surely a damn pathetic feeling to have.

Thig Lyfe
02-14-2007, 11:16 PM
Hate is certainly pathetic. Hate sucks; why endorse it? Obviously, he has a right to how he feels. But it's surely a damn pathetic feeling to have.

Well said.

CoMoChief
02-14-2007, 11:18 PM
What makes you think they do? I can't imagine why a guy would choose to be gay. Even though times have changed they still catch alot of shit that hetro guys don't have to deal with. I have no proof but think it must be something they are born with.


There are arguments that some part of the brain doesnt develope in which the part of the brain makes you attracted to the opposite sex.

There is also the argument that it's a social issue.


I guess people will never know but I just dont see how someone can be born gay.

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 11:20 PM
Hate is certainly pathetic. Hate sucks; why endorse it? Obviously, he has a right to how he feels. But it's surely a damn pathetic feeling to have.

I hate thieves and murderers and actually feel pretty good about it.

stevieray
02-14-2007, 11:20 PM
Hate is certainly pathetic. Hate sucks; why endorse it? Obviously, he has a right to how he feels. But it's surely a damn pathetic feeling to have.

and you've never had the feeling or used the word?

RJ
02-14-2007, 11:23 PM
I hate thieves and murderers and actually feel pretty good about it.



Well by golly, there's something we can all agree on!! :)

Thig Lyfe
02-14-2007, 11:24 PM
and you've never had the feeling or used the word?

We all have. It's still pathetic. Hate is a part of life, but it's an inherently pathetic part.

sedated
02-14-2007, 11:25 PM
I hate all of you.


for no reason whatsoever

HolmeZz
02-14-2007, 11:26 PM
I hate all of you.


for no reason whatsoever

It's cause we're ghey, isn't it?

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 11:27 PM
There are arguments that some part of the brain doesnt develope in which the part of the brain makes you attracted to the opposite sex.

There is also the argument that it's a social issue.


I guess people will never know but I just dont see how someone can be born gay.

I do believe that certain hormonal imbalances can cause a tendancy as do some people have a greater tendancy toward alcoholism, but it still boils down to personal choice. There is no doubt that whats accepted as normal social behavior has a lot to do with it, why else would they put forth an effort to establish gay rights?

stevieray
02-14-2007, 11:27 PM
We all have. It's still pathetic. Hate is a part of life, but it's an inherently pathetic part.

how could you know that if it didn't exist, or make you appreciate love even more?

C-Mac
02-14-2007, 11:35 PM
We all have. It's still pathetic. Hate is a part of life, but it's an inherently pathetic part.

FWIW The origin of the word hate actually means "to love less" and the word loathe is much stronger and is much like the word hate is used today. Anyway, to hate or dislike certain things or acts are healthy and help define whats right and wrong. Whats missing in todays society is the good ole black and white, its all gray now and I would hate to be a kid growing up today with basically no direction or definition on what is right and wrong.

sedated
02-14-2007, 11:47 PM
how could you know that if it didn't exist, or make you appreciate love even more?


ah, here we get philosophical.

how does good exist without evil?

KILLER_CLOWN
02-15-2007, 12:02 AM
This thread is Ghey and i hate it, someone diagnose me am I homophobic?

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 02:10 AM
is it pathetic to be honest about how he feels?

isn't your decision for a sex change based on your feelings??


is this guy hating gays going to stop you in your quest to be a woman?

could it be possible that you are just looking for reinforcement for your decision?That's some of the most convoluted reasoning I've ever seen.

"You can't think someone's an idiot for hating others because... um... uh... you have feelings, too!"

What's even more pathetic than some harebrained ex-athlete literally claiming to hate millions of people is the rush by a select few to defend said hatred. Moral majority, eh?

And no, I don't need reinforcement for one of the few things I've always been certain of. Thanks for asking.

HMc
02-15-2007, 02:20 AM
i think the sole comment on that site said it best.


Jeremy ganapini (01:32:15) : / quote

Dumb ******


mmkay well it rymed with trigger

Otter
02-15-2007, 02:43 AM
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mcan
02-15-2007, 02:47 AM
Wow... So much to address.

The following is my opinion. I happen to think I'm right though, which is why I chose this opinion... It's the one that makes the most sense to me.


1. Are people "born" gay?
--I tend to think that sexual preference is a matter of nurture and not nature. There have been countless studies done to try and prove the correlation to genetics and sexual preference, and there isn't any good science to back up that claim. There are however, plently of biased as hell videos that show same sex rats humping each other when one is injected with testosterone and they are locked up together. The study is flawed, and the reasoning behind their conclusions (that people who have an inordinate amount of opposite sex hormone are prone to being homosexual, or attracting same sex parteners) is suspect at best. Whatever the "cause" of homosexuality is, I think it happens after we're born. It might be immediately after we're born, but I don't think it's genetic or hormonal. There are far too many other sexual prefrences (some we consider deviant and some we do not) to infer any kind of physiolgocial cause. Myself, I have plenty of oddball sexual prefrences that are contrary to the status quo. I love women. But I prefer women with small chests and relatively few curves. In fact, I am just as turned off by a chubby girl with large breasts as I am a man. ZERO sexual attraction. I don't think I was born that way. It's a prediliction bias, and I don't know where, how, or why I have that bias. And frankly, I don't care. I like what I like. Lucky for me, society accepts my bias.

2. What is hate? Is it OK to hate someone?
--Again, this is just my opinion, and really it might be a semantics argument. What I call hate, might not be the same thing you call it. Being annoyed by a person who is always bugging you or gets on your nerves, to me, is just being annoyed or bothered. At no point, would I call that emotion "hate." I tend to think that love and hate are not emotions at all, but actions. You LOVE somebody. You HATE somebody. But it's always something that you do. My personal philosophy is that LOVE is the best thing you can do, and hate is the worst. In my world view, it is possible to hate a person without feeling anything at all. Talking behind a friends back, is an act of "hate" even though you don't necessarily have any negative "feelings." Conversely, you can love people without getting giddy or having romantic feelings, or even any feelings of attachment at all. Giving a homeless guy some food, is an act of love. So no, I think truly "hating" someone is out of the question. The crux here is that most people use the words "hate" and "love" in a totally different context than I think the words should be used. Most people say "I hate McDonalds" when they mean to say "I don't like McDonalds' food." To "hate" McDonalds would be to act spitefully or to do them wrong, or to have an intent to do them wrong. The same way people misuse the word "love."

JohnnyV13
02-15-2007, 03:07 AM
uh....actually... a number of studies with twins raised apart show that if one twin is gay that between 35 to 50 percent correlation that the other twin is gay (depending on the study). Nevertheless, this is a far greater correlation than you'd get by random chance and suggests there is a strong genetic component. However, the 35% to 50% level also suggests there is a strong environmental component to the behavior. Meaning, that homosexuality probably can arise both by genetic determination and learned behavior

JohnnyV13
02-15-2007, 03:08 AM
Ultra Peanut...are you really a transsexual?

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 03:20 AM
Indeed I am.

King_Chief_Fan
02-15-2007, 06:44 AM
Wow... So much to address.

The following is my opinion. I happen to think I'm right though, which is why I chose this opinion... It's the one that makes the most sense to me.


1. Are people "born" gay?
--I tend to think that sexual preference is a matter of nurture and not nature. There have been countless studies done to try and prove the correlation to genetics and sexual preference, and there isn't any good science to back up that claim. There are however, plently of biased as hell videos that show same sex rats humping each other when one is injected with testosterone and they are locked up together. The study is flawed, and the reasoning behind their conclusions (that people who have an inordinate amount of opposite sex hormone are prone to being homosexual, or attracting same sex parteners) is suspect at best. Whatever the "cause" of homosexuality is, I think it happens after we're born. It might be immediately after we're born, but I don't think it's genetic or hormonal. There are far too many other sexual prefrences (some we consider deviant and some we do not) to infer any kind of physiolgocial cause. Myself, I have plenty of oddball sexual prefrences that are contrary to the status quo. I love women. But I prefer women with small chests and relatively few curves. In fact, I am just as turned off by a chubby girl with large breasts as I am a man. ZERO sexual attraction. I don't think I was born that way. It's a prediliction bias, and I don't know where, how, or why I have that bias. And frankly, I don't care. I like what I like. Lucky for me, society accepts my bias.

2. What is hate? Is it OK to hate someone?
--Again, this is just my opinion, and really it might be a semantics argument. What I call hate, might not be the same thing you call it. Being annoyed by a person who is always bugging you or gets on your nerves, to me, is just being annoyed or bothered. At no point, would I call that emotion "hate." I tend to think that love and hate are not emotions at all, but actions. You LOVE somebody. You HATE somebody. But it's always something that you do. My personal philosophy is that LOVE is the best thing you can do, and hate is the worst. In my world view, it is possible to hate a person without feeling anything at all. Talking behind a friends back, is an act of "hate" even though you don't necessarily have any negative "feelings." Conversely, you can love people without getting giddy or having romantic feelings, or even any feelings of attachment at all. Giving a homeless guy some food, is an act of love. So no, I think truly "hating" someone is out of the question. The crux here is that most people use the words "hate" and "love" in a totally different context than I think the words should be used. Most people say "I hate McDonalds" when they mean to say "I don't like McDonalds' food." To "hate" McDonalds would be to act spitefully or to do them wrong, or to have an intent to do them wrong. The same way people misuse the word "love."

good post. I agree

BigRedChief
02-15-2007, 06:55 AM
Good. It's about time somebody decided that being PC is for wusses.
Dude, would you like to explain how you can "hate" a whole group of people because of the one thing they share in common? Also how is this any different from saying you "hate" all blacks? Jews? etc

BigRedChief
02-15-2007, 06:57 AM
This thread is Ghey and i hate it, someone diagnose me am I homophobic?
No, you just have SSAD.

stevieray
02-15-2007, 07:29 AM
That's some of the most convoluted reasoning I've ever seen.

"You can't think someone's an idiot for hating others because... um... uh... you have feelings, too!"

What's even more pathetic than some harebrained ex-athlete literally claiming to hate millions of people is the rush by a select few to defend said hatred. Moral majority, eh?

And no, I don't need reinforcement for one of the few things I've always been certain of. Thanks for asking.

I didn't say you couldn't think he's an idiot...just that he's being honest.

As you are..

both of you have the right to feel however you want...and be right or wrong.

StcChief
02-15-2007, 07:34 AM
Dude, would you like to explain how you can "hate" a whole group of people because of the one thing they share in common? Also how is this any different from saying you "hate" all blacks? Jews? etc

Huge difference. Skin color isn't the same as breaking one God's laws and believing it's ok to do so.

Glad to see Hardaway is being honest about his beliefs and not being all PC.

MOhillbilly
02-15-2007, 07:50 AM
i think alittle hate is good for everyone.

jidar
02-15-2007, 08:00 AM
Myself, I have plenty of oddball sexual prefrences that are contrary to the status quo. I love women. But I prefer women with small chests and relatively few curves. In fact, I am just as turned off by a chubby girl with large breasts as I am a man. ZERO sexual attraction. I don't think I was born that way. It's a prediliction bias, and I don't know where, how, or why I have that bias. And frankly, I don't care. I like what I like. Lucky for me, society accepts my bias



So what you're saying is, you like women who have bodies that are identical to a pre-pubescent boys.
I guess that explains your homophobia, you're in the ****ing closet and you hate yourself for it.

fag

siberian khatru
02-15-2007, 08:02 AM
So what you're saying is, you like women who have bodies that are identical to a pre-pubescent boys.
I guess that explains your homophobia, you're in the ****ing closet and you hate yourself for it.

Rump Ranger

ROFL

Frazod
02-15-2007, 08:04 AM
I didn't give a shit what Tim Hardaway thought yesterday. I don't give a shit what he thinks today. I couldn't pick him out of a police lineup, barely remembered he was a basketball player, and didn't remember who he played for. Of course, whether his opinion is wrong, hateful or stupid, he is entitled to it, though. At least he used to be.

But does one guy saying this really mean anything? I wonder how many gays hate straight people. If some gay announces that he hates Tim Hardaway, is he any less wrong?

And as usual, any excuse to hop up and down screaming HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED always seems to make UP's day. You and TJ should start a club.

jidar
02-15-2007, 08:21 AM
Listen you thick skulled mother****ers

Nobody is saying Tim Hardaway can't have an opinion, clearly he can. He came out and said he hates Gays and everyone reported it, he didn't go to jail for it.

There, that's his opinion.

Now the rest of society is free to have the opinion that he's an ignorant ****ing homophobe, because frankly that's the truth.

This is freedom of expression folks, it goes both ways.

BigRedChief
02-15-2007, 08:25 AM
Huge difference. Skin color isn't the same as breaking one God's laws and believing it's ok to do so.

Glad to see Hardaway is being honest about his beliefs and not being all PC.
If we go down that path what about all the other laws that the bible says is okay like slavery etc etc. So we pick and choose from the bible what we want to? Thats the reality.

I still say what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business or the governements.

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 09:11 AM
So what you're saying is, you like women who have bodies that are identical to a pre-pubescent boys.
I guess that explains your homophobia, you're in the ****ing closet and you hate yourself for it.

Rump Ranger
Dammit!!! Too slow. :cuss:

Mr. Laz
02-15-2007, 09:19 AM
Tim Hardaway: "I hate gay people".
and Bible Thumpers across America applaud ....

Mr. Laz
02-15-2007, 09:21 AM
Glad to see Hardaway is being honest about his beliefs and not being all PC.
You wouldn't be if he said something you disagreed with.

xoxoxo
~The Dixie Chicks~

ChiefFripp
02-15-2007, 09:39 AM
Being stupid and having people willing to interview you on a national stage isn't a good combination. Sports are the main reason dumbasses are allowed to become millionaires and icons.

Simply put, Timmy's opinion means the same to me as any other backwards imbecile's. It doesn't matter at all.

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 09:54 AM
LMAO Say what you will about his opinion at least he had the huevos to say what many in the league are thinking but don't say.

Mr. Laz
02-15-2007, 09:57 AM
i wonder how many times Hardaway watched to female NBA groupies much some rug?


amazing how some people don't mind Gay so much when it's 2 hot girls doing it.

maybe the bible says that if the girls are hot enough it doesn't count as sin. :shrug:

jidar
02-15-2007, 10:02 AM
i wonder how many times Hardaway watched to female NBA groupies much some rug?


amazing how some people don't mind Gay so much when it's 2 hot girls doing it.

maybe the bible says that if the girls are hot enough it doesn't count as sin. :shrug:


I asked Jesus and he told me that hot chicks definitely get an exemption.

Frazod
02-15-2007, 10:11 AM
I asked Jesus and he told me that hot chicks definitely get an exemption.

And thine hos shalt not muncheth the carpet unless thine hos be hotteth. :)

Mr. Laz
02-15-2007, 10:13 AM
And thine hos shalt not muncheth the carpet unless thine hos be hotteth. :)
ROFL

ChiTown
02-15-2007, 10:15 AM
LMAO Say what you will about his opinion at least he had the huevos to say what many in the league are thinking but don't say.

There's a fine line between having the huevos and being el stupido. Methinks he has substantially crossed the border.

Sully
02-15-2007, 10:22 AM
I wonder how many of the very people in here would be falling over themselves to defend this guy's right to have an opinion if we replaced "gay" with "Christian."

HolmeZz
02-15-2007, 10:23 AM
I wonder how many of the very people in here would be falling over themselves to defend this guy's right to have an opinion if we replaced "gay" with "Christian."

And you can actually choose your religious affiliation. :o

Bowser
02-15-2007, 10:24 AM
I wonder how many of the very people in here would be falling over themselves to defend this guy's right to have an opinion if we replaced "gay" with "Christian."

How about gay Christians?

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 10:24 AM
And as usual, any excuse to hop up and down screaming HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED always seems to make UP's day.

Unfortunately, I think that's what all of this boils down to. And I've always like Psi.

Sully
02-15-2007, 10:26 AM
How about gay Christians?

*gasp!*

That's unpossible. God hates gays.

Bowser
02-15-2007, 10:27 AM
Unfortunately, I think that's what all of this boils down to. And I've always like Psi.

Nah, I disagree. This was a flame worthy topic that would have been posted eventually if Ultra Psi didn't do it.

Frazod
02-15-2007, 10:28 AM
Unfortunately, I think that's what all of this boils down to. And I've always like Psi.

The term I used with TJ was "professionally aggrieved."

ChiTown
02-15-2007, 10:28 AM
*gasp!*

That's unpossible. God hates gays.

Quite the conundrum.....

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 10:31 AM
Nah, I disagree. This was a flame worthy topic that would have been posted eventually if Ultra Psi didn't do it.

It wouldn't have been posted the same way, IMO. Of course, you haven't seen some of the stuff that's been posted by UP in the threads of a person who is no longer here.

Beating a dead horse is putting it mildly.

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 10:33 AM
There's a fine line between having the huevos and being el stupido. Methinks he has substantially crossed the border.

Right or Wrong he is just saying what most players are thinking but won't say. Frankly it's refreshing to see someone speak their mind for once irregardless of how wrong many may think his opinion is. At least the opinion he is giving is honest and he is not walking down that paved PC path that some in society have all layed out for him.

I think in society we have made discrimination a really bad thing. In this case discriminating between working with people you think will give you your best chance of winning and those that you will be uncomfotable working with is a very real issue. Let's get away from the gay theme for a moment. When creating any team you want to be as cohesive as possible united people who are similar. Birds of a feather flock together. Having been in management my entire life if I were to pick the best teams I ever put together they were one's that could easily hang together after work and gel not one's that were uncomfortable with each other and had issues. My 2 cents.

Bowser
02-15-2007, 10:33 AM
It wouldn't have been posted the same way, IMO. Of course, you haven't seen some of the stuff that's been posted by UP in the threads of a person who is no longer here.

Beating a dead horse is putting it mildly.

I'll concede that. The less I know about that incident, the better, methinks.

Mr. Laz
02-15-2007, 10:34 AM
I wonder how many of the very people in here would be falling over themselves to defend this guy's right to have an opinion if we replaced "gay" with "Christian."
bashing gays = rebel anti-PC cool

bashing christians = insensitive jerk






people who applaud this anti PC stuff generally start crying like little bitches when you insult something they care about.

JBucc
02-15-2007, 10:36 AM
Is Tim Hardaway the same guy as Penny Hardaway or is that someone else?

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 10:37 AM
Is Tim Hardaway the same guy as Penny Hardaway or is that someone else?

Nope. Tim and Anfernee Hardaway are two different people.

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 10:38 AM
I wonder how many of the very people in here would be falling over themselves to defend this guy's right to have an opinion if we replaced "gay" with "Christian."

Hey they had the first church of satan here in SF and I completely defend their right to have it. MOF I think the city gave the guy way too much grief. Many Muslims hate Christians and I have yet to see one person post that we should ban the Muslim religion here. I don't think your post has any basis to it.

Sully
02-15-2007, 10:39 AM
Penny HArdaway was the actor from the film classic, "Blue Chips."

Tim Hardaway was great in some old Nintendo NBA game I had in the early 90s. (may have been a Sega Genesis game).

Bowser
02-15-2007, 10:39 AM
Is Tim Hardaway the same guy as Penny Hardaway or is that someone else?

Timmah never had Chris Rock as the voice of "Little Timmah".

Sully
02-15-2007, 10:40 AM
Hey they had the first church of satan here in SF and I completely defend their right to have it. MOF I think the city gave the guy way too much grief. Many Muslims hate Christians and I have yet to see one person post that we should ban the Muslim religion here. I don't think your post has any basis to it.


Then you haven't been reading some of the religious threads on this site lately.

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 10:41 AM
Then you haven't been reading some of the religious threads on this site lately.

Let's not have this discussion again.

go bowe
02-15-2007, 10:42 AM
I must admit that I'm not fond of gay homosexuals.awww...

stickin' with the sad homosexuals, are ya?

Sully
02-15-2007, 10:44 AM
Let's not have this discussion again.

I'd prefer not to. I was just making a point.

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 11:01 AM
Then you haven't been reading some of the religious threads on this site lately.

Apparently I missed something.

Cave Johnson
02-15-2007, 11:51 AM
Looks like we're at this stage....

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 11:57 AM
I still don't think it applies. We have a large group of muslims that believe everyone in the world should be killed who does not believe the way they do and are willing to carry that out. That just simply isn't the case with the gays yet they get more people outraged at others who come out and just say they don't like them or hate them as is the case here. I think that metaphore was very inaccurate.

DJ_is_the_realdeal
02-15-2007, 12:06 PM
If he wanted a career in TV it was shot to hell in that interview. WOW

Groves
02-15-2007, 12:29 PM
I still say what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business or the governements.


Except, I assume, for making plans for molesting your daughter, planning terrorists acts, plotting to murder your wife, etc.

Invasion of privacy is one thing we all dislike, but saying that two people can determine privately what is right and wrong or legal and illegal is quite another.

Obviously, my opinion.

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 12:33 PM
Except, I assume, for making plans for molesting your daughter, planning terrorists acts, plotting to murder your wife, etc.

Invasion of privacy is one thing we all dislike, but saying that two people can determine privately what is right and wrong or legal and illegal is quite another.

Obviously, my opinion.
You assume wrong.
Making plans isn't a crime, not until you take affirmative steps to carry out a criminal act.

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 12:34 PM
You assume wrong.
Making plans isn't a crime, not until you take affirmative steps to carry out a criminal act.

Conspiracy?

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 12:37 PM
Conspiracy?
Google: 'criminal' 'conspiracy' 'elements.'

Might add "overt act"

ChiTown
02-15-2007, 12:41 PM
151 (and counting) posts over some idiot that didn't have enough self-control to keep his opinion of gays to himself. We are a bunch of sensitive sandy giners, aren't we?

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 12:42 PM
Google: 'criminal' 'conspiracy' 'elements.'

Might add "overt act"

I'm just asking honestly, I don't have any idea how it's viewed.

What constitutes an overt act? Wouldn't getting together in secret and discussing plans to commit a crime constitue an "overt act"?

Groves
02-15-2007, 12:43 PM
You assume wrong.
Making plans isn't a crime, not until you take affirmative steps to carry out a criminal act.

Pardon my saying, but I think *you* assume wrong.

I didn't say it was a crime or a criminal act, I was refuting his statement that it wasn't "his business, or the business of a government."

I think the real proof is in the pudding anyway. Finding out two people have been plotting or planning against your family in the real world would quickly be (appropriately) thought of as "our business" by virtually everyone here. And wrong to boot.

Not grounds for arrest, as you've pointed out, but sure as heck wrong.

Maybe I'm off...this is the planet after all. We don't respond typically. That's cool.

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 12:53 PM
Pardon my saying, but I think *you* assume wrong.

I didn't say it was a crime or a criminal act, I was refuting his statement that it wasn't "his business, or the business of a government."

I think the real proof is in the pudding anyway. Finding out two people have been plotting or planning against your family in the real world would quickly be (appropriately) thought of as "our business" by virtually everyone here. And wrong to boot.

Not grounds for arrest, as you've pointed out, but sure as heck wrong.

Maybe I'm off...this is the planet after all. We don't respond typically. That's cool.
Even if you're rock solid sure that 2 people are making plans against you in their bedroom, it's still not the government's business, so long as it's just making plans.
It may the the government's business to offer you protection, and monitor their activities in public spaces, and arrest them if they begin enacting their plans. They might even convince a judge it's their business to inspect their bedroom's contents to make sure there is nothing that would allow them to carry out their plans undetected.

Cave Johnson
02-15-2007, 01:01 PM
I'm just asking honestly, I don't have any idea how it's viewed.

What constitutes an overt act? Wouldn't getting together in secret and discussing plans to commit a crime constitute an "overt act"?

Not in Kansas, at least.

5. Conversations among co-conspirators in forming and planning the conspiracy are not overt acts in furtherance of a conspiracy.

http://www.kscourts.org/kscases/ctapp/1999/19990212/79023.htm

Using the psycho astronaut example, let's say that she plotted with a friend about kidnapping the romantic rival. Something like buying rubber tubing would be considered an overt act.

Cave Johnson
02-15-2007, 01:08 PM
Even if you're rock solid sure that 2 people are making plans against you in their bedroom, it's still not the government's business, so long as it's just making plans.

BL, what's your reasoning behind this? My understanding is that Shabani allowed the overt act element to be discretionary, meaining that plotting alone is enough.

Groves
02-15-2007, 01:21 PM
Even if you're rock solid sure that 2 people are making plans against you in their bedroom, it's still not the government's business, so long as it's just making plans.

I think you make great points.

I guess I was pointing out the ridiculousness of thinking that just because two people are in the privacy of their room, that morality ceases to exist. My examples illustrated that it's both peoples AND governments business, depending.

The family examples were to show how we don't really buy the "consenting adults" line when it comes to the planning of harm to our families. It surely is our business.

The terrorist acts example was an example of how it IS the governments business when people are plotting to assassinate the prez or planning to bomb a stadium, etc.

I agree, it's not something that you can arrest them for. Nobody can watch "Cape Fear" or "Pacific Heights" (both fictional movies, I realize), and say that the bad guys aren't bad even before they've acted upon their plans.

We're talking about the difference between legal and right.

You are correct, nobody can arrest you for it.

FringeNC
02-15-2007, 01:24 PM
Hardaway's comments make you wonder about the whole "gays in the military" thing. Moral posturing aside, if indeed there are a lot of guys in the military that share Hardaway's views on gays, would it be wise to allow homosexuals?

The fact that gays cannot come out of the closet in pro sports seems to indicate to me that we are a long way from being able to allow them to be overtly gay in the military.

By the way, my view is that the job of the military is to kill hostiles, not be an institution of social engineering.

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 01:25 PM
Hardaway's comments make you wonder about the whole "gays in the military" thing. Moral posturing aside, if indeed there are a lot of guys in the military that share Hardaway's views on gays, would it be wise to allow homosexuals?

The fact that gays cannot come out of the closet in pro sports seems to indicate to me that we are a long way from being able to allow them to be overtly gay in the military.

By the way, my view is that the job of the military is to kill hostiles, not be an institution of social engineering.

I have to believe that social engineering is an evitable by-product of attempting to get thousands of people to function in 100% unison.

FringeNC
02-15-2007, 01:28 PM
I have to believe that social engineering is an evitable by-product of attempting to get thousands of people to function in 100% unison.

Cultivating esprit de corps and social engineering aren't the same thing, are they?

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 01:28 PM
BL, what's your reasoning behind this? My understanding is that Shabani allowed the overt act element to be discretionary, meaining that plotting alone is enough.
It's been quite a while since I even glanced at the crimlaw side, I'm probably mixing up statutory conspiracy and CL conspiracy.
I'll defer to your recollection.

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 01:48 PM
Cultivating esprit de corps and social engineering aren't the same thing, are they?

Maybe. I was just thinking out loud.

Anytime you're trying to get that many people to function identically, I think you're inevitably going to have to "engineer" their thinking to some extent.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 01:59 PM
And as usual, any excuse to hop up and down screaming HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED always seems to make UP's day. You and TJ should start a club.

Unfortunately, I think that's what all of this boils down to. And I've always like Psi.What the ****ing shit?

Provide some examples, assclowns.

I saw this story on another site, laughed, and posted it here. The very same process occurred with this thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=157750), this thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=157624), this thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=158192), and this thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=156687). Tim Hardaway flaunting his stupidity to an audience is amusing, not upsetting. Engaging in a discussion with morons who seek to defend him because they also harbor irrational fears/hatred of people that are different from them is hardly whining about being repressed.

GOLLY GEE, SOMEONE IS IN A HEATED DEBATE! WHAT AN ATTENTION WHORE!

It wouldn't have been posted the same way, IMO. Of course, you haven't seen some of the stuff that's been posted by UP in the threads of a person who is no longer here.

Beating a dead horse is putting it mildly.What does this even refer to?

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 02:08 PM
Psi is taking a whole lot of shit for, like, no reason at all. I don't get it.

Frazod
02-15-2007, 02:23 PM
Provide some examples, assclowns.

You're kidding, right?

Just search for your posts, and start reading anywhere.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 02:29 PM
You're kidding, right?

Just search for your posts, and start reading anywhere.Great example. Thanks.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3779033#post3779033
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3774162#post3774162
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3771726#post3771726
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3767160#post3767160
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3765255#post3765255
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3764422#post3764422

I need to stop being such an attention whore! :sulk:

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 02:30 PM
Unfortunately, I think that's what all of this boils down to. And I've always like Psi.

Parker & frazod, the voices of reason on this thread??? Wow. What's the world coming to? :shake:







:)

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 02:30 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=153520

Give me a break, UP. One of the thing you posted in that thread was a 2 full weeks after that person was banned.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 02:33 PM
Oh noes, I posted a funny music video in a thread about another type of music videos! Posehn mentions Jesus in there, I promise.

It's not a grudge, you whiny bint. I stumbled upon it, thought it was funny, and looked for a place to post it.

Besides, I didn't even know Believer was banned. Wait... TWO WEEKS? More like four days (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3770785#post3770785), at the very most.

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 02:36 PM
Parker & frazod, the voices of reason on this thread??? Wow. What's the world coming to? :shake:

:)

I'm not a voice of anything.

I was merely stating an observation that I think UP, a poster that I actually admire for several reasons, appears to have completely lost it after the whole Believer incident, lashing out at anyone and everyone who might be Christian or otherwise have a problem with gay people.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 02:37 PM
Oh yes, I've lost it! LOOK OUT, I'VE SNAPPED! I'MMA COMIN' FOR YOU, JESUS! I'M GONNA EAAAAAAAT YOUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 02:37 PM
Oh noes, I posted a funny music video in a thread about another type of music videos! Posehn mentions Jesus in there, I promise.

It's not a grudge, you whiny bint. I stumbled upon it, thought it was funny, and looked for a place to post it.

Besides, I didn't even know Believer was banned. Wait... TWO WEEKS? More like four days (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3770785#post3770785), at the very most.

I deleted one from yesterday. Believer was banned on the 1st of February, IIRC.

And I'm sure that you just stumbled upon the idea of posting that in a thread on Christian contemporary music. Yeah, that's the ticket.

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 02:38 PM
Oh yes, I've lost it! LOOK OUT, I'VE SNAPPED! I'MMA COMIN' FOR YOU, JESUS! I'M GONNA EAAAAAAAT YOUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!

That's precisely what I'm talking about. I guess you're going for the "100% batty" persona now...

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 02:43 PM
That's precisely what I'm talking about. I guess you're going for the "100% batty" persona now...Were you picked up by Sun Ming Ming and dropped on your head recently?

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 02:44 PM
Were you picked up by Sun Ming Ming and dropped on your head recently?

Apparently.

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 02:47 PM
That's precisely what I'm talking about. I guess you're going for the "100% batty" persona now...

Maybe they are serving rodent-excrement in the Mai-Thais at Metro Memphis??? :shrug:

Encephallitis can make you a real bitch....er, eh, I've heard. :hmmm:

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 02:50 PM
I deleted one from yesterday. Believer was banned on the 1st of February, IIRC.

And I'm sure that you just stumbled upon the idea of posting that in a thread on Christian contemporary music. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Do bannings take ten days to go into effect?

Also, how is posting a harmless, funny video voicing dissent against the given thread topic any different than when people rag on Rush in a Halfcan thread to piss him off?

Deleting the "offending posts" because they differ from the spirit of the thread? That's some strict moderating there, and I don't think the same standard is applied to every circumstance. I smell bias.

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 02:50 PM
That's precisely what I'm talking about. I guess you're going for the "100% batty" persona now...
Are you kidding?

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 02:52 PM
Do bannings take ten days to go into effect?

Also, how is posting a harmless, funny video voicing dissent against the given thread topic any different than when people rag on Rush in a Halfcan thread to piss him off?

Deleting the "offending posts" because they differ from the spirit of the thread? That's some strict moderating there, and I don't think the same standard is applied to every circumstance. I smell bias.

If there was a bias, why was Believer banned?

People ragging on Rush didn't produce 2 full days of people fighting with each other.

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 02:52 PM
Are you kidding?Dude....Valentine's Day was yesterday, man. Psi ain't falling for it. She's no luv; you are no Moooo. :)

FAX
02-15-2007, 02:52 PM
If one smells bias, does that mean that a homosexual has forgotten to wipe?

FAX

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 02:54 PM
If one smells bias, does that mean that a homosexual has forgotten to wipe?

FAX

If he didn't wipe, does that mean.....in the forest....did they really even shit? :hmmm:

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 02:55 PM
If one smells bias, does that mean that a homosexual has forgotten to wipe?

FAX
Hardaway hates people that don't wipe. And people that don't wash their hands.

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 02:56 PM
Hardaway hates people that don't wipe. And people that don't wash their hands.
I'll bet he really hates gay black Muslims then....

oh, wait, Tim's black....ain't he? :hmmm:




;)

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 02:57 PM
I'll bet he really hates gay black Muslims then....
Imagine if Moises Alou was gay. Tim Hardaway might have killed him by now.

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 02:59 PM
Imagine if Moises Alou was gay. Tim Hardaway might have killed him by now.
Moises? :spock:

:hmmm:

Damn, you wouldn't think God would put a gay black Muslim in charge of repopulating the entire world after the flood.....

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 03:01 PM
Moises? :spock:

:hmmm:

Damn, you wouldn't think God would put a gay black Muslim in charge of repopulating the entire world after the flood.....

ROFL

I don't know if that was inadvertent or not, but it was pretty damn funny...

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 03:01 PM
Moises? :spock:

:hmmm:

Damn, you wouldn't think God would put a gay black Muslim in charge of repopulating the entire world after the flood.....
http://www.slate.com/id/2100652/

He was too busy being knee-deep in manna to worry about toilets.

FAX
02-15-2007, 03:04 PM
Apparently, black, homosexual Muslims need to watch their bi-asses.

FAX

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 03:06 PM
ROFL

I don't know if that was inadvertent or not, but it was pretty damn funny...:spock:

Inadvertant? Damn. You people must really think I'm even dumber than I am.... :shake:



:crybaby:





:deevee:
Apparently, black, homosexual Muslims need to watch their bi-asses.

FAX
Two Donkeys!? :cuss:

I didn't think no Damn Bronco fans are allowed on the Ark.....







:p

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 03:09 PM
:spock:

Inadvertant? Damn. You people must really think I'm even dumber than I am.... :shake:

You make it so easy. I'm sorry.

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 03:11 PM
You make it so easy. I'm sorry.

No shit. I can't even spell inadvertent. :deevee:

jidar
02-15-2007, 03:25 PM
lol
fags

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 03:26 PM
lol
fags

Let's throw a little kerosene on the fire!

stevieray
02-15-2007, 03:27 PM
I'm not a voice of anything.

I was merely stating an observation that I think UP, a poster that I actually admire for several reasons, appears to have completely lost it after the whole Believer incident, lashing out at anyone and everyone who might be Christian or otherwise have a problem with gay people.


I found it odd that a 'has been ex-athlete's" opinion carried so much weight.

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 03:29 PM
I found it odd that a 'has been ex-athlete's" opinion carried so much weight.

It's because what he said was so over-the-top inflammatory. Honestly, I can't figure out why the guy wouldn't keep something like that to himself. He's free to believe what he wants, but there's no good that comes from openly saying something like that.

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 03:31 PM
It's because what he said was so over-the-top inflammatory. Honestly, I can't figure out why the guy wouldn't keep something like that to himself. He's free to believe what he wants, but there's no good that comes from openly saying something like that.

Not to quibble, but I suspect gay guys won't flirt with him anymore when he's clubbin'.

;)

stevieray
02-15-2007, 03:34 PM
It's because what he said was so over-the-top inflammatory. Honestly, I can't figure out why the guy wouldn't keep something like that to himself. He's free to believe what he wants, but there's no good that comes from openly saying something like that.

perception is reality. What may be over the top for some, isn't for others. what if he said he hated white people?

I just think we're becoming a society that has a hard time dealing with anything that rubs them the wrong way..no pun intended.

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2007, 03:36 PM
perception is reality. What may be over the top for some, isn't for others. what if he said he hated white people?

I just think we're becoming a society that has a hard time dealing with anything that rubs them the wrong way..no pun intended.

WTF, do you mean by THAT, Stevie??? :spock:

:cuss:

htismaqe
02-15-2007, 03:38 PM
perception is reality. What may be over the top for some, isn't for others. what if he said he hated white people?

I just think we're becoming a society that has a hard time dealing with anything that rubs them the wrong way..no pun intended.

Everything is offensive to somebody.

stevieray
02-15-2007, 03:40 PM
Everything is offensive to somebody.

true, especially when you're responsible for others feelings..;)

bogie
02-15-2007, 04:07 PM
true, especially when you're responsible for others feelings..;)

That winking smily thing is kinda offensive. Please refrain from using it.
:p

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 04:12 PM
That winking smily thing is kinda offensive. Please refrain from using it.
:p
That wink is Stevie ultra-sly way of communicating 'I really dig your poop-chute.'

stevieray
02-15-2007, 04:16 PM
That wink is Stevie ultra-sly way of communicating 'I really dig your poop-chute.'

that's right bogie, and I suggest you take that smiley and put it on like a coat and own it...

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 04:18 PM
that's right bogie, and I suggest you take that smiley and put it on like a coat and own it...
Is this Ross Perot?

If so, I suggest you take aunt Daisy's bloomers and wrap the radiator on the ol' Model T, and hope it gets you to the cotillion in time for cookies and punch.

stevieray
02-15-2007, 04:22 PM
Is this Ross Perot?

If so, I suggest you take aunt Daisy's bloomers and wrap the radiator on the ol' Model T, and hope it gets you to the cotillion in time for cookies and punch.

I know what a cotillion is, but you lost me with the rest.

bogie
02-15-2007, 04:24 PM
that's right bogie, and I suggest you take that smiley and put it on like a coat and own it...

I think I will own it. I'll wear it to games and call myself 1st down smiley. :) :)

stevieray
02-15-2007, 04:25 PM
I think I will own it. I'll wear it to games and call myself 1st down smiley. :) :)

first down winky?

L.A. Chieffan
02-15-2007, 04:25 PM
In the closet, with Cruise and R. Kelly.


and Elway. :D

bogie
02-15-2007, 04:26 PM
first down winky?


:clap: :clap:

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 04:28 PM
I know what a cotillion is, but you lost me with the rest.
My bad, the image of someone saying 'put that smiley on like a coat' just put in mind of Perot's nonsensical metaphors.
Maybe I was off, maybe it was more in line with Dan Rather's 'the bullfrog's balls are in quicksand and uncle Larry's stirring the sawmill gravy' pronouncements on election night.

BTW - I'm being thoroughly lighthearted in this exchange. Just wanted to say, so I don't offend you again.

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 04:29 PM
:clap: :clap:
Oh noes!! He's already given you the clap!!

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:36 PM
perception is reality. What may be over the top for some, isn't for others. what if he said he hated white people?

I just think we're becoming a society that has a hard time dealing with anything that rubs them the wrong way..no pun intended.WAH WAH WAHHHH, someone gets called out for being an idiot! Buncha PC wimps. :deevee:

Your entire ****ing point seems to be that he has a right to that opinion, so no one should mention how stupid he is for expressing it.

stevieray
02-15-2007, 04:39 PM
WAH WAH WAHHHH, someone gets called out for being an idiot! Buncha PC wimps. :deevee:

WAHHHHHH someone needs said idiot to get stroked on a football board.

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 04:40 PM
WAH WAH WAHHHH, someone gets called out for being an idiot! Buncha PC wimps. :deevee:

Your entire ****ing point seems to be that he has a right to that opinion, so no one should mention how stupid he is for expressing it.

People can hate whoever they want, it's their choice . IT doesn't make them an idiot any more than it makes you an idiot for hating somebody. Anything beyond that is just an opinion.

stevieray
02-15-2007, 04:42 PM
Your entire ****ing point seems to be that he has a right to that opinion, so no one should mention how stupid he is for expressing it.

your entire point seems to be that a "has been ex athlete's" opinion makes your soon to be cooter hurt.

I don't deny your conviction, just your thin skin...I think you'll deal with worse than a quote from a BB player.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:42 PM
WAHHHHHH someone needs said idiot to get stroked on a football board.You've found me out! My entire reason for posting a link to a great athlete destroying his reputation was to have my ego stroked!

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 04:45 PM
your entire point seems to be that a "has been ex athlete's" opinion makes your soon to be cooter hurt.

I don't deny your conviction, just your thin skin...I think you'll deal with worse than a quote from a BB player.
You know this would have been posted by someone else if Psi hadn't. I was going to post it until I saw that this thread already existed.

It's an interesting quote from a great athlete that provides an point of discussion. This has nothing to do with hurt feelings.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:46 PM
People can hate whoever they want, it's their choice . IT doesn't make them an idiot any more than it makes you an idiot for hating somebody. Anything beyond that is just an opinion.David Duke's not an idiot at all! He has every right to hate them uppity negroes!

your entire point seems to be that a "has been ex athlete's" opinion makes your soon to be cooter hurt.

I don't deny your conviction, just your thin skin...I think you'll deal with worse than a quote from a BB player.I posted a thread to something that was in the process of becoming a big story because I found it hilarious. Wow, that really makes my skin thin!

Who's the one bringing my personal life into this? OH SNAP, I'm such an attention whore! (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3782016&postcount=77)

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 04:46 PM
UP,

Does the going deep avatar have a secondary meeting?

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:47 PM
UP,

Does the going deep avatar have a secondary meeting?I'm sure it's related to my ridiculous cries for attention, somehow.

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 04:48 PM
UP,

Does the going deep avatar have a secondary meeting?
http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.html

stevieray
02-15-2007, 04:49 PM
I posted a thread to something that was in the process of becoming a big story because I found it hilarious.

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from pathetic to hilarious...bullshit.

bogie
02-15-2007, 04:49 PM
Oh noes!! He's already given you the clap!!

That's funny in a light hearted way.

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 04:50 PM
http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.html


NICE!!!!

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:50 PM
from pathetic to hilarious...bullshit.Someone being a pathetic douchebag and destroying their future broadcasting career is pretty ****ing funny.

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 04:51 PM
I'm sure it's related to my ridiculous cries for attention, somehow.

Well if it's not the case then drop it already.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:51 PM
http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.htmlDon't even get me started on what a ridiculous attention whoring stunt this thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3588930#post3588930) was.

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 04:53 PM
Someone being a pathetic douchebag and destroying their future broadcasting career is pretty ****ing funny.
He's plural?

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 04:53 PM
Someone being a pathetic douchebag and destroying their future broadcasting career is pretty ****ing funny.
Quoted for truth.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:53 PM
Well if it's not the case then drop it already."You're such an attention whore!"
"What?"
"SEE!"
"When have I ever sought attention?"
"OH MY GOD YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW!"

stevieray
02-15-2007, 04:54 PM
Someone being a pathetic douchebag and destroying their future broadcasting career is pretty ****ing funny.

nice spin.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:55 PM
He's plural?This sounds like a job for the Grammar Hammer!

stevieray
02-15-2007, 04:55 PM
Quoted for truth.

you're gay?

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 04:55 PM
He's plural?

There is that "other" part of himself he is in denial about. That's why the guys a homophobe. Call it the Sybil effect.

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 04:55 PM
You know this would have been posted by someone else if Psi hadn't. I was going to post it until I saw that this thread already existed.

It's an interesting quote from a great athlete that provides an point of discussion. This has nothing to do with hurt feelings.
My first thought when I heard the story was 'the CP better be snarking on this as we speak.'

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:55 PM
nice spin.Speaking of spin, tell me again who brought my personal life into this. I must have missed your answer the first time.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 04:56 PM
My first thought when I heard the story was 'the CP better be snarking on this as we speak.'You're gay?

Baby Lee
02-15-2007, 04:57 PM
You're gay?
I do NOT listen to Coldplay.

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 04:57 PM
you're gay?
If I was gay, I might not find the whole thing funny.

bogie
02-15-2007, 04:58 PM
I think we all agree Hardaway is an idiot, don't we?

stevieray
02-15-2007, 04:59 PM
Speaking of spin, tell me again who brought my personal life into this. I must have missed your answer the first time.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt and used your situation as an example.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 05:03 PM
I gave you the benefit of the doubt and used your situation as an example.An example of what?

You seem awfully concerned with my "insecurity" and "thin skin" and "need for reassurance" every time I discuss anything that can be even remotely tied back into my life. Why are you so obsessed, and why are your arguments so weak that you have to stretch to make it about me?

jidar
02-15-2007, 05:04 PM
Don't even get me started on what a ridiculous attention whoring stunt this thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3588930#post3588930) was.


WTF? I'm offended by that.
Kevin Spacey is not gay. Seriously, I don't give a **** what anybody says, until Kaiser Soze says himself that he's gay, he's not.

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 05:05 PM
I think we all agree Hardaway is an idiot, don't we?
And that's really the whole point.

Calcountry
02-15-2007, 05:06 PM
A redneck QB named Kenny StablerMaybe he should be their coach? :hmmm:

BIG_DADDY
02-15-2007, 05:06 PM
I think we all agree Hardaway is an idiot, don't we?

Apparently I don't know him as well as you think everyone else here does.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2007, 05:09 PM
And that's really the whole point.Deadspin says it best:

Tim Hardaway Wants Only Straight Men To See His Penis (http://www.deadspin.com/sports/nba/tim-hardaway-wants-only-straight-men-to-see-his-penis-236910.php)

So, by now, everyone has heard former NBA point guard Tim Hardaway's comments on the Dan LeBatard show yesterday, but just in case you're up for some caveman rhetoric -- he'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa -- here's the full audio of the interview.

"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States.''

When you listen to the whole interview, what's most amusing is just how flippant Hardaway is about it; he's just matter-of-fact about the whole thing. "Hey, I hate gay people ... who doesn't, right? Who's with me?" Considering the statements -- which are so over the top that it's almost hard to be offended by them; it's like getting angry at a dog for not being able to juggle -- it's pretty clear that Hardaway's future as a television commentator is over, and that David Stern is going to have him killed.

But our favorite part of this story is Hardaway's "apology."

"There are more important things to worry about than my comments. We should be more concerned about President (George) Bush and all the people dying in Iraq."

Well, jeez, Tim, when you put it that way ... you're absolutely right!

Reaper16
02-15-2007, 05:09 PM
Apparently I don't know him as well as you think everyone else here does.
He's definitely an idiot. He may be an idiot only insofar as making a grossly irresponsible, career-damaging comment to the media -- but that'd still make him an idiot.

stevieray
02-15-2007, 05:14 PM
An example of what?

...of how people make choices based on feelings.