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Wile_E_Coyote
02-19-2007, 09:30 AM
<A name=376163>http://www.kffl.com/images/hot_sign.jpgChargers | Turner hired as new head coach
Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:12:02 -0800Jay Glazer (http://www.kffl.com/link/14), of FOXSports.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/189), reports the San Diego Chargers (http://www.kffl.com/team/31/nfl) have hired Norv Turner (http://www.kffl.com/player/8298/nfl) as their new head coach. Terms of the deal were undisclosed. Turner had been serving as the offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.kffl.com/team/32/nfl).

Updated: Feb. 19, 2007, 11:34 AM ET
Sources: Chargers will hire Turner as next head coach


By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

San Francisco 49ers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sfo) offensive coordinator Norv Turner has agreed in principle to become the San Diego Chargers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sdg)' next coach, sources told ESPN.com.


In addition to the Turner hiring, longtime league assistant coach Ted Cottrell will meet early this week with San Diego officials which should result in the Chargers hiring Cottrell as the club's new defensive coordinator.

Cottrell, who worked in the NFL office in 2006, has extensive experience with the 3-4 defense that San Diego used last season.

Turner is one of six candidates to have interviewed for the position. The other known head coach candidates -- Gary Gibbs (New Orleans), Mike Zimmer (Atlanta), Mike Singletary (San Francisco), Ron Rivera (Chicago) and Rex Ryan (Baltimore) -- are all coaches whose expertise is on the defensive side. All but Singletary are current coordinators.

Turner has twice previously been a head coach in the league. Cottrell has interviewed in the past for head coach positions, and came very close to landing the top job in San Francisco four years ago, but the meeting with Chargers officials is strictly an interview for the team's defensive coordinator spot, several sources said.

San Diego officials prefer to retain a 3-4 defense, the scheme for which the personnel is best suited, and hiring Cottrell would permit that. Cottrell was actually recommended to Schottenheimer by Smith when then-Chargers defensive coordinator Wade Phillips was hired by the Dallas Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=dal) as their new head coach.

Marty Schottenheimer instead leaned toward hiring his younger brother, Kurt Schottenheimer, as the replacement for Phillips. In addition to Marty Schottenheimer, the Chargers, who posted an NFL-best 14-2 record in 2006 but were ousted in the divisional round of the playoffs, have lost five assistant coaches since the end of the season. That includes both coordinators.

Cottrell, 59, possesses 22 seasons of NFL experience as an assistant coach, including three stints as a defensive coordinator. He most recently worked as coordinator for the Minnesota Vikings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=min) (2004-2005). Cottrell lost his job when the Vikings fired coach Mike Tice after the 2005 season.
Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

Saulbadguy
02-19-2007, 09:35 AM
ROFL

Cochise
02-19-2007, 09:36 AM
This is too good to be true LMAO

Woodrow Call
02-19-2007, 09:37 AM
:toast:

Mr. Plow
02-19-2007, 09:37 AM
He's good. Really, really, really good....

scott free
02-19-2007, 09:41 AM
:clap: :clap: :clap:

:thumb: :thumb:

:LOL:

Phobia
02-19-2007, 09:41 AM
Awesome!

Simply Red
02-19-2007, 09:42 AM
BuckinKaeding will be proud I'm certain.

Sully
02-19-2007, 09:42 AM
Jeez... between the Raiders and now Norv Turner... we will NEVER get the number 1 pick.....


Dammit Carl!!!!!

dirk digler
02-19-2007, 09:42 AM
LMAO

pikesome
02-19-2007, 09:43 AM
They replaced Marty with this? I wonder if the Chargers didn't fire the wrong person. Sorry Charger fans (all two of you).

dirk digler
02-19-2007, 09:43 AM
They replaced Marty with this? I wonder if the Chargers didn't fire the wrong person. Sorry Charger fans (all two of you).

Yep. Spanos ****ed up big time

Inspector
02-19-2007, 09:44 AM
This is an upgrade over Marty???

I need to learn a lot more about football, I guess....

Wile_E_Coyote
02-19-2007, 09:45 AM
"In addition to the Turner hiring, longtime league assistant coach Ted Cottrell will meet early this week with San Diego officials which should result in the Chargers hiring Cottrell as the club's new defensive coordinator." -Pastabelly

recxjake
02-19-2007, 09:45 AM
wow, bad

Frazod
02-19-2007, 09:46 AM
Now all they need to do is hire Robinson as DC. ROFL

Rooster
02-19-2007, 09:47 AM
Wow..... How very raider like... ROFL

Demonpenz
02-19-2007, 09:49 AM
Good for the chiefs we are reloaded and just waiting like a cobra with all our talent to take fullest full advantage

Wile_E_Coyote
02-19-2007, 09:56 AM
Reminds me of a shot at the NFL Combine. The ESPN camera shows Turner in the stands giving a smug look while looking down at Dick Vermeil. As they announce the trade the Raiders just made for Randy Moss.

petegz28
02-19-2007, 10:00 AM
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Mr. Laz
02-19-2007, 10:01 AM
ouch .......


hasn't he already proven twice that his level is offensive coord and no higher?

L.A. Chieffan
02-19-2007, 10:03 AM
It's good to see Seal is still getting work.

nychief
02-19-2007, 10:03 AM
wow. how uninspired can you get? Was Jim Mora Sr. not available? What about Sam Wyche?

jlscorpio
02-19-2007, 10:06 AM
But, but, but...he's got the quintuplets in SD...print 'em!

petegz28
02-19-2007, 10:07 AM
Herman Edwards don't look so bad all the sudden.

ChiTown
02-19-2007, 10:08 AM
Ha, Ha!

Very funny. Seriously, who's their new Coach?........

Pitt Gorilla
02-19-2007, 10:08 AM
They replaced Marty with this? I wonder if the Chargers didn't fire the wrong person. Sorry Charger fans (all two of you).Crazy. Marty might not be a great postseason coach, but he guided that team pretty well during the regular season. To replace him with this retread is insane.

pikesome
02-19-2007, 10:10 AM
Herman Edwards don't look so bad all the sudden.

Truer words haven't graced this board in a while.

Woodrow Call
02-19-2007, 10:11 AM
Nice start to the offseason SD. They downgraded at HC, OC, and DC. Good times.

Pitt Gorilla
02-19-2007, 10:13 AM
Chargers | Ray hired as offensive coordinator
Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:12:02 -0800Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the San Diego Chargers have hired Jimmy Ray as their offensive coordinator. A stunned Ray noted, "I didn't realize that I had applied."

BigRock
02-19-2007, 10:14 AM
AJ SMITH IS A GENIUSH!

chagrin
02-19-2007, 10:17 AM
How does this guy continue to get gigs? This is hilarious, hard to fug up LT though - they've got a very solid team

Woodrow Call
02-19-2007, 10:18 AM
AJ SMITH IS A GENIUSH!

He got his yes man that's for sure. I think they will find out how good a coach Marty really was not to mention Phillips and Cameron.

Reerun_KC
02-19-2007, 10:21 AM
Wow, now 2 of the biggest morons and losers are coaching in the AFC West.... Herm and Turner...

Denver is the only stable organization out there....

nychief
02-19-2007, 10:21 AM
AJ Smith misses drafting in the top half of the draft.


Ted Cottrell?

We might have a Dave Campo sighting in SD.

bogie
02-19-2007, 10:21 AM
How does this guy continue to get gigs? This is hilarious, hard to fug up LT though - they've got a very solid team

This is what I'm thinking. I fear they've got at least one good year left before they go into the sh*tter.

nychief
02-19-2007, 10:22 AM
They should have hired Al Saunders.

el borracho
02-19-2007, 10:24 AM
2007 Chargers = 9-7

Cochise
02-19-2007, 10:24 AM
We're going to win the division this year.

Frankie
02-19-2007, 10:24 AM
....................................

Marty Schottenheimer instead leaned toward hiring his younger brother, Kurt Schottenheimer, as the replacement for Phillips............

..........................

All of you celebrating must have missed the above Pasquarelli report from the text. That's good enough grounds for firing Marty.

Woodrow Call
02-19-2007, 10:25 AM
Come on Frankie, spit it out. :)

boogblaster
02-19-2007, 10:26 AM
Hello mom, Ive got a new job ..yea they gave me the top team in the NFL to **** up..ain't that great...

Frankie
02-19-2007, 10:26 AM
Come on Frankie, spit it out. :)
Done.

JBucc
02-19-2007, 10:27 AM
This is so ****ing awesome. The would have been better off letting LT call the offensive plays and Steroidman call the D.

Brock
02-19-2007, 10:27 AM
All of you celebrating must have missed the above Pasquarelli report from the text. That's good enough grounds for firing Marty.

So hiring Norv Turner is the next logical step?

Mile High Mania
02-19-2007, 10:27 AM
Norv is very good with RBs... LT should really live up to his potential in 2007, finally becoming a top RB.

el borracho
02-19-2007, 10:28 AM
We're going to win the division this year.
Would be nice but, who is our QB and where is our line? Based on what we know now I would say the Broncos win the division, Chargers in 2nd, Chiefs 3rd and Raidurrs last.

pikesome
02-19-2007, 10:28 AM
All of you celebrating must have missed the above Pasquarelli report from the text. That's good enough grounds for firing Marty.

I'll agree but hiring Turner is like turning down a shit sandwich and ordering the manure pie.

Basileus777
02-19-2007, 10:31 AM
You have got to love the Chargers commitment to recycling.

Some guys are just made to be coordinators and assistant coaches. They just can't make it at the top level. Nothing wrong with that.

Woodrow Call
02-19-2007, 10:31 AM
Norv is very good with RBs...

I'll agree with that. Lamont Jordan put up some decent numbers under Norv in 2005.

Brock
02-19-2007, 10:33 AM
Norv is very good with RBs... LT should really live up to his potential in 2007, finally becoming a top RB.

ROFL :shake:

tk13
02-19-2007, 10:37 AM
Did I fall asleep until today is April 1st? This is pretty hard to believe.

Chiefs_Fan
02-19-2007, 10:39 AM
He probably watched the Super Bowl, so he got the job!

siberian khatru
02-19-2007, 10:44 AM
Don't Norv and Cameron subscribe to the same offensive philosophy? I guess there's the continuity factor ... despite the fact that Norv has been a terrible HEAD coach.

But then, what kind of choices did SD have at this late stage?

ROYC75
02-19-2007, 10:45 AM
Far Out Man !
Far Out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cochise
02-19-2007, 10:45 AM
This is one of those times where I wish the Chargers had fans.

BigRock
02-19-2007, 10:52 AM
All of you celebrating must have missed the above Pasquarelli report from the text. That's good enough grounds for firing Marty.
A column in San Diego yesterday basically said that Marty asked for his brother to get the job as a way to get himself fired, because he knew they'd never go for it. And he wanted out without having to quit because then they'd still have to pay him.

Bowser
02-19-2007, 10:53 AM
Gotta get ready for work, but still wanted to share my official opinion -

Hahahaha!

Haha!

Ha!

Brock
02-19-2007, 10:54 AM
A column in San Diego yesterday basically said that Marty asked for his brother to get the job as a way to get himself fired, because he knew they'd never go for it. And he wanted out without having to quit because then they'd still have to pay him.

That's probably true. The chargers must be a pretty cheap organization.

Wile_E_Coyote
02-19-2007, 11:03 AM
Marty was replaced with a guy who was replaced with Art Shell.

88TG88
02-19-2007, 11:05 AM
YES !!! ROFL ROFL

FringeNC
02-19-2007, 11:23 AM
Norv Turner seems like the anti-Herm. He's a bright, knowledgeable football mind -- but he is completely unable to motivate/discipline his teams -- which seems to be Herm's one area of competence. I wouldn't want either one as my coach, but put Herm and Norv together and you might have a decent coach.

morphius
02-19-2007, 11:24 AM
OMG!!! I'm going to have to fight falling over an dying of laughter... Wow!

keg in kc
02-19-2007, 11:33 AM
I think it's going to turn out to be an upgrade and this'll be one of those threads some jackhole will bump a year from now.

Frankie
02-19-2007, 11:39 AM
So hiring Norv Turner is the next logical step?
I'm not a big Turner-as-HC fan. But I would take Turner and a good coaching staff over Marty and the stooges any day.

Deberg_1990
02-19-2007, 11:40 AM
I'm not a big Turner-as-HC fan. But I would take Turner and a good coaching staff over Marty and the stooges any day.

Your kidding right? Tell me what Norv Turner has ever done as a HC??

Frankie
02-19-2007, 11:45 AM
Your kidding right? Tell me what Norv Turner has ever done as a HC??
I just wanted to clearly emphasize my hatred of the 3 stooges. Maybe I overemphasized.

morphius
02-19-2007, 11:47 AM
Maybe this is all part of their plan to move to LA, first kill fan support...

Brock
02-19-2007, 11:47 AM
I'm not a big Turner-as-HC fan. But I would take Turner and a good coaching staff over Marty and the stooges any day.

Personally, I would have either fired Marty the day of the playoff loss, or offered him a real extension and not the slap in the face they tried to give him. As it stands, the Chargers literally could not have handled this worse.

ct
02-19-2007, 11:50 AM
How does this guy continue to get gigs? This is hilarious, hard to fug up LT though - they've got a very solid team

This is what I'm thinking. I fear they've got at least one good year left before they go into the sh*tter.


I agree w/ you guys here. This has all the makings of a 1-year, keep the ship afloat, band aid move to me. Bring in a vet coach, who while very unspectacular, is better suited to just let the players do what they do for a year, than a giving a hot named guy like Singletary or Rivera their 1st gig too late in the off-season to get anything implemented.

I fully expect Norv to get canned the day after their '07 season is over, then begin the rebuild under a 1st time HC.

Norv, you sir, are a grade A idiot!!

Mr. Plow
02-19-2007, 11:56 AM
Marty was replaced with a guy who was replaced with Art Shell.


Man, when you put it that way.....this bad for the Chargers. Very very very bad.

L.A. Chieffan
02-19-2007, 11:57 AM
Maybe this is all part of their plan to move to LA, first kill fan support...
Please God, no.

SPchief
02-19-2007, 11:57 AM
Anybody heard from BNK yet? Last night he was pretty open to the idea of them hiring Norv. Wonder what he feels now that they've actually hired him?

greg63
02-19-2007, 11:58 AM
This news does not surprize me.



























That is all.

Reaper16
02-19-2007, 12:31 PM
Holy shit. This is amazing.

siberian khatru
02-19-2007, 12:41 PM
I think it's going to turn out to be an upgrade and this'll be one of those threads some jackhole will bump a year from now.

I had the same thought, given so much certainty on this thread. That's usually a bad sign.

Eric
02-19-2007, 12:52 PM
Should of hired Jimmy Raye , Marty.

ct
02-19-2007, 12:55 PM
Marty got exactly what he wanted. Out, and paid.

morphius
02-19-2007, 12:55 PM
I had the same thought, given so much certainty on this thread. That's usually a bad sign.
Well, as long as they win everything could be okay, but a couple questionable losses could cause the entire thing to crumble.

PastorMikH
02-19-2007, 12:59 PM
Heh heh.

Fire a coach that can't get to the Superbowl and replace him with a coach that can't get to the playoffs. I don't care who you are that's funny right there.

splatbass
02-19-2007, 03:43 PM
Marty was replaced with a guy who was replaced with Art Shell.

And a guy that was replaced by Marty......

chiefsfan1963
02-19-2007, 03:54 PM
It will be quite something if SD wins our division and KC falls short of making the playoffs in '07. Save this thread for laughs if this happens.

keg in kc
02-19-2007, 04:01 PM
I guess I did mention the word "jackhole" didn't I.

Bwana
02-19-2007, 04:05 PM
This is great news...............if your a Chiefs fan!! Thuper Chargers are going to tank fast.

Woodrow Call
02-19-2007, 04:15 PM
It will be quite something if SD wins our division and KC falls short of making the playoffs in '07. Save this thread for laughs if this happens.

Why? The aftershocks of this move won't be felt till a year or 2 down the line. Next year I expect the Chargers to have a good year and probably win the division on talent alone. The years after that will tell the tale.

the Talking Can
02-19-2007, 05:10 PM
ha ha

LiL stumppy
02-19-2007, 05:14 PM
It will be an embarasment if we arn't on top of our division next year.

Logical
02-19-2007, 05:23 PM
It will be an embarasment if we arn't on top of our division next year.Better start preparing for embarrassment then, we will be lucky to finish higher than 3rd in the division.

FringeNC
02-19-2007, 05:24 PM
It will be quite something if SD wins our division and KC falls short of making the playoffs in '07. Save this thread for laughs if this happens.

Huh? San Diego has a lot more talent than we do, and still has a better coach than we do. Their coach sucks nonetheless, though.

Buck
02-19-2007, 06:59 PM
Im not excited, and I definitely dont think he is better than Marty, but I do think that he was the best of all the candidates that were interviewed.

boltpower 21
02-19-2007, 07:29 PM
The Chargers went with the safest choice. Not an exciting decision at all.

He inherits a loaded roster but the most important thing is that they will be keeping both offensive and defensive systems intact.

I don't like the choice but I've doubted AJ on more than one occasion before and have had to eat crow.

milkman
02-19-2007, 08:27 PM
My initial reaction to Turner's hire was the same as many here.

I thought it was funny that the Chargers would hire a guy that had seemingly failed so miserably elsewhere.

But upon further reveiw, one has to ask, why did he fail?

In DC he not only worked for Dan Snyder, but unless I'm mistaken, Charlie Casserly as well.

There was also that other guy who spent time there as GM whose name escapes me.
Vic or Vinny????

The point is that he was saddled with a couple guys that were really pretty poor talent evaluators.

And Snyder has spent tons of money in free agency, and it has become pretty clear over the years that you can't build team chemistry and continuity, and a real contender through free agency.

The successful teams are still the teams that build a core group through the draft, and tweak the roster through free agency.

After his years in DC, his next chance came under Al freakin' Davis.
No one can succeed under Al.

The Spanos and AJ Smith handled the situation with Marty as badly as possible, but the fact is, AJ Smith is a hell of a talent evaluator.

Norv Turner also is the guy that taught Cam Cameron that offense.

The question becomes, can Turner keep these guys focused and on track, and can Cottrell keep that defense humming?

The fact is, Turner might be the best playcaller (you know he will be calling the plays) this offense could have, and he is one of the best QB developers in the NFL, which means that Rivers is very likely going to raise his game substantially.

Norv Turner might be a bust, but there is, IMO, a very good chance that this could be an outstanding hire for that team.

RNR
02-19-2007, 08:48 PM
My initial reaction to Turner's hire was the same as many here.

I thought it was funny that the Chargers would hire a guy that had seemingly failed so miserably elsewhere.

But upon further reveiw, one has to ask, why did he fail?

In DC he not only worked for Dan Snyder, but unless I'm mistaken, Charlie Casserly as well.

There was also that other guy who spent time there as GM whose name escapes me.
Vic or Vinny????

The point is that he was saddled with a couple guys that were really pretty poor talent evaluators.

And Snyder has spent tons of money in free agency, and it has become pretty clear over the years that you can't build team chemistry and continuity, and a real contender through free agency.

The successful teams are still the teams that build a core group through the draft, and tweak the roster through free agency.

After his years in DC, his next chance came under Al freakin' Davis.
No one can succeed under Al.

The Spanos and AJ Smith handled the situation with Marty as badly as possible, but the fact is, AJ Smith is a hell of a talent evaluator.

Norv Turner also is the guy that taught Cam Cameron that offense.

The question becomes, can Turner keep these guys focused and on track, and can Cottrell keep that defense humming?

The fact is, Turner might be the best playcaller (you know he will be calling the plays) this offense could have, and he is one of the best QB developers in the NFL, which means that Rivers is very likely going to raise his game substantially.

Norv Turner might be a bust, but there is, IMO, a very good chance that this could be an outstanding hire for that team.

Solid post, my guess is many will be holding a knife and fork looking at plate full of crow next year. I think he has a bad rap. Talk about a dream job less John Madden and George Seford (sp) 49ers, I dont think a new coach has ever been handed a team with this much talent.

Extra Point
02-19-2007, 10:26 PM
Solid post, my guess is many will be holding a knife and fork looking at plate full of crow next year. I think he has a bad rap. Talk about a dream job less John Madden and George Seford (sp) 49ers, I dont think a new coach has ever been handed a team with this much talent.
Agreed. And with the savvy that Turner has on O, who he puts in as OC would make for a seamless transition. Or a rat's nest.

Chiefs Pantalones
02-20-2007, 04:56 PM
I may be not in the norm, but I don't think this is a bad move at all. They have a lot of talent, almost too much to mess things up.

Fairplay
02-20-2007, 05:01 PM
For me the jury is still out on Norv Turner decision.

Some of it will also depend on who he has for coaches under him.

Not sure if there has been any announced yet.

Chiefs Pantalones
02-20-2007, 05:07 PM
For me the jury is still out on Norv Turner decision.

Some of it will also depend on who he has for coaches under him.

Not sure if there has been any announced yet.

I'm of the belief that coaching doesn't matter as much anymore. It's the talent.

milkman
02-20-2007, 06:21 PM
I'm of the belief that coaching doesn't matter as much anymore. It's the talent.

I disagree.

Caoches, in spite of the money these players make today, still have to
motivate players, and also find a way to get all the individual egos to mesh together and perform as a team.

This is the area that might be Turner's Achilles Heel as the Chargers HC.

siberian khatru
02-20-2007, 06:24 PM
For me the jury is still out on Norv Turner decision.

Some of it will also depend on who he has for coaches under him.

Not sure if there has been any announced yet.

Cottrell as DC, Rivera as LB coach.

Deberg_1990
02-20-2007, 07:58 PM
I may be not in the norm, but I don't think this is a bad move at all. They have a lot of talent, almost too much to mess things up.

IM fairly certain this is what the Bolts management was thinking as well. Turner installed that offense in 2001 so basically he will just fine tune everything.


This is almost a Barry Switzer like hire: The players will win in spite of the coach......time will tell...

Electric Chair
02-20-2007, 09:03 PM
Bill Belicheck was 41-55 as a head coach before Tom Brady.

Now he is a legend. Not to compare Turner and BB, but how many Pats Fans were excited about BB's hiring in '00? Not many (if any).

As a Charger Fan, at first I hated the hire. But after we stole Rivera and the continuity of bringing in the guy that installed the offense that the team currently runs sunk in, I will say that I have done a complete 180.

Marty is out, which to me is nothing but addition by subtraction.

AJ Smith is the best GM in football. Period. I see this relationship alot like the Pioli/BB one in New England. Anyone waiting for the Chargers demise is going to be waiting for awhile. 18 starters are signed through 2009. 9 though 2011. AJ Smith has built the Chargers as not only a team that can win now, but a team that can win for years.

11 Pro Bowlers and 4 Pro Bowl Alternates this year. Norv Turner has never been put in a situation to win before. This Chargers Team is young, hungry, and wildly talented. Regardless of who the coach is, they will be a team to be reckoned with. With Marty gone, I actually like their chances in January for the first time since the mid 90's.

And I haven't mentioned the five day one picks we will have once AJ trades Michael Turner.

Peace.

Chief Faithful
02-21-2007, 02:23 PM
I'm of the belief that coaching doesn't matter as much anymore. It's the talent.

Maybe so, but it is the coach that determines who plays. A bad coach can ruin a great team in just a couple years. If you need an example just think Barry Switzer and the Dallas Cowboys.

Chief Faithful
02-21-2007, 02:27 PM
The Spanos and AJ Smith handled the situation with Marty as badly as possible, but the fact is, AJ Smith is a hell of a talent evaluator.



Is he a great talent evaluator without Marty? Marty has built talented teams repeatedly, but has Smith done it without Marty?

whoman69
02-21-2007, 06:56 PM
How the hell does Norv Turner keep getting a shot at HC when he has been a DISMAL failure everywhere he's been. I am certainly glad the Bolts took the safe choice. If they took the logical or gutsy choice we might have to worry about them winning the Super Bowl. Would you rather have Marty who can't win in the playoffs of Turner who can't even make the playoffs.

milkman
02-21-2007, 07:06 PM
Is he a great talent evaluator without Marty? Marty has built talented teams repeatedly, but has Smith done it without Marty?

Marty has built talented defenses repeatedly, but he has never drafted anyone of note on offense.

AJ Smith (and John Butler) assembled that team.

One of the reasons that Marty and Smith couldn't get along is because they butted heads in the draft, and in free agency.

Smith essentially ignored Marty's input and acquired the players he felt would improve that team.

milkman
02-21-2007, 07:08 PM
How the hell does Norv Turner keep getting a shot at HC when he has been a DISMAL failure everywhere he's been. I am certainly glad the Bolts took the safe choice. If they took the logical or gutsy choice we might have to worry about them winning the Super Bowl. Would you rather have Marty who can't win in the playoffs of Turner who can't even make the playoffs.

The question is, is there anyone that can succeed working for Dan Snyder and Al freakin' Davis?

whoman69
02-21-2007, 07:21 PM
To paraphrase Lombardi, guys who can draw plays on a chalkboard are a dime a dozen. Norv Turner has not shown an ability to motivate a team to play better than its talent level or even to its talent level. Two years removed from Joe Gibbs, the Redskins were actually worse than the one season under Richie Pettitbone. One playoff appearance in 7 years in Washington. Two years with the Raiders and only one divisional win. Turner is a guy who is still milking the fact he was the offensive coordinator for two Super Bowl champion teams in Dallas 15 years ago.

milkman
02-21-2007, 07:24 PM
To paraphrase Lombardi, guys who can draw plays on a chalkboard are a dime a dozen. Norv Turner has not shown an ability to motivate a team to play better than its talent level or even to its talent level. Two years removed from Joe Gibbs, the Redskins were actually worse than the one season under Richie Pettitbone. One playoff appearance in 7 years in Washington. Two years with the Raiders and only one divisional win. Turner is a guy who is still milking the fact he was the offensive coordinator for two Super Bowl champion teams in Dallas 15 years ago.

I understand the motivation factor could be an issue, but the fact remains, he has worked in some difficult situations.

That is why he is being given another opportunity.

milkman
02-21-2007, 07:27 PM
Oh, and as to playing to, or above, their talent level, as I said earlier, it has become pretty clear that throwing buku bucks at free agents to build a team is not the recipe for success.

Deberg_1990
02-21-2007, 07:29 PM
The question is, is there anyone that can succeed working for Dan Snyder and Al freakin' Davis?


Jon Gruden and Callahan worked alright under Davis not too long ago...

whoman69
02-21-2007, 07:30 PM
The question is, is there anyone that can succeed working for Dan Snyder and Al freakin' Davis?
Turner was the coach three seasons in Washington before Snyder got there and actually had his only successes under him. Turner took the disaster left by one season of Richie Pettitbone and actually made it worse for a time. In today's market he would have been fired before Snyder took over. In Oakland the Raiders were only one season removed from being in the Super Bowl and he actually made them worse than Bill Callahan.

milkman
02-21-2007, 07:36 PM
Jon Gruden and Callahan worked alright under Davis not too long ago...

Gruden did alright because he wasn't a puppet, and Callahan did a Switzer like job with Gruden's team.

milkman
02-21-2007, 07:37 PM
Turner was the coach three seasons in Washington before Snyder got there and actually had his only successes under him. Turner took the disaster left by one season of Richie Pettitbone and actually made it worse for a time. In today's market he would have been fired before Snyder took over. In Oakland the Raiders were only one season removed from being in the Super Bowl and he actually made them worse than Bill Callahan.

So he took two teams on the decline and didn't improve them.

DaWolf
02-21-2007, 08:22 PM
Norv is an excellent offensive mind. He is also spineless. I wonder if this move happened because AJ Smith knows he will be able to walk all over Norv and Norv is OK with that just as he was with Snyder and Davis and the idea of Jerry Jones walking all over him...

Deberg_1990
02-21-2007, 08:37 PM
I couldnt be happier that the Bolts hired this turd...

milkman
02-21-2007, 08:49 PM
I couldnt be happier that the Bolts hired this turd...

I think there's a chance that you could be right.

But I also believe there's a chance that this could work out for the Chargers.

Deberg_1990
02-21-2007, 09:03 PM
But I also believe there's a chance that this could work out for the Chargers.

Oh, he will probably get them to the playoffs........i seriously doubt they will win it all with him though. IM not even sure Turner has ever won a playoff game?? Honestly they are not any closer than they were with Marty. The Bolts took the best available retread...take that for what its worth..

Frankie
02-22-2007, 08:43 AM
The question is, is there anyone that can succeed working for Dan Snyder and Al freakin' Davis?
Yup. I just have that aching feeling that wer may have another "Rat" in our division.

Ebolapox
02-22-2007, 08:53 AM
Bill Belicheck was 41-55 as a head coach before Tom Brady.

Now he is a legend. Not to compare Turner and BB, but how many Pats Fans were excited about BB's hiring in '00? Not many (if any).

As a Charger Fan, at first I hated the hire. But after we stole Rivera and the continuity of bringing in the guy that installed the offense that the team currently runs sunk in, I will say that I have done a complete 180.

Marty is out, which to me is nothing but addition by subtraction.

AJ Smith is the best GM in football. Period. I see this relationship alot like the Pioli/BB one in New England. Anyone waiting for the Chargers demise is going to be waiting for awhile. 18 starters are signed through 2009. 9 though 2011. AJ Smith has built the Chargers as not only a team that can win now, but a team that can win for years.

11 Pro Bowlers and 4 Pro Bowl Alternates this year. Norv Turner has never been put in a situation to win before. This Chargers Team is young, hungry, and wildly talented. Regardless of who the coach is, they will be a team to be reckoned with. With Marty gone, I actually like their chances in January for the first time since the mid 90's.

And I haven't mentioned the five day one picks we will have once AJ trades Michael Turner.

Peace.

that feels an aweful lot like hopeful rationalizing... for the chiefs' sake, I hope you're wrong... history says that you're wrong--but who knows at this point of the game

Chief Faithful
02-22-2007, 01:53 PM
Marty has built talented defenses repeatedly, but he has never drafted anyone of note on offense.

AJ Smith (and John Butler) assembled that team.

One of the reasons that Marty and Smith couldn't get along is because they butted heads in the draft, and in free agency.

Smith essentially ignored Marty's input and acquired the players he felt would improve that team.

You are right in saying Marty's strength is defense, but he has never drafted anyone he is a coach not a GM. What Marty does as well as anyone is recognize the good football player from the bad and gets them ready to play.

You say he has never drafted anyone of note on offense. If you mean to say he has never developed good offensive talent then you must have your eyes closed. He completely rebuilt the entire Chargers offensive line. In KC there have been a number of good offensive players most notibly Shields and Gonzo. Antonio Gates and Drew Brees are prime examples of players that went from nothing to All Star under Marty.

It is no accident that Marty develops top talent teams everywhere he goes. It may be Smith that found many of those talented players, but it was Schottenhiemer who developed them. Maybe it is also no accident that Norv Turner has failed everywhere he went, but you appear to me to be one who is betting against history in this case.

milkman
02-22-2007, 06:33 PM
You are right in saying Marty's strength is defense, but he has never drafted anyone he is a coach not a GM. What Marty does as well as anyone is recognize the good football player from the bad and gets them ready to play.

It's true that Marty hasn't been/is not the GM.
However, as has been noted over and over again, Carl almost always drafts the players that his coach is asking for, so Marty gets some of the credit/blame for the successes/failures of those drafts.

Those drafts included some pretty shitty offensive skill position players.
And he sure as hell didn't recognize and get ready to play one Joe Horn.

You say he has never drafted anyone of note on offense. If you mean to say he has never developed good offensive talent then you must have your eyes closed. He completely rebuilt the entire Chargers offensive line. In KC there have been a number of good offensive players most notibly Shields and Gonzo. Antonio Gates and Drew Brees are prime examples of players that went from nothing to All Star under Marty.

Again, that team was assembled by John Butler and AJ Smith.
As for Brees, Marty, like the rest of the Charger organization, was ready to give up on Brees after the '03 season, but Brees worked hard in that offseason, and spent a lot of time with his OC looking at film and working on mechanics.
Marty gets no credit for that, and neither does AJ Smith.
Brees is a testament to hard work and desire.

I'll give you Gates.

It is no accident that Marty develops top talent teams everywhere he goes. It may be Smith that found many of those talented players, but it was Schottenhiemer who developed them. Maybe it is also no accident that Norv Turner has failed everywhere he went, but you appear to me to be one who is betting against history in this case.

Marty is only adequate, at best, at developing offensive skill position players, with the exception of TE apparently.
What Marty does better than most coaches is get his players to play hard for him, and that is an admirable quality.

As for Turner, I am not betting that he will succeed.
I am only suggesting that the chance exists that he can in this situation.

Deberg_1990
02-22-2007, 06:57 PM
IM no Marty lover...but hes worlds better than Norv Loser. Dude probably got a raw deal in Oakland but he had 8 or 9 years in Washington and was never anything but awful to mediocre.

Its s shame AJ Smith couldnt get over his juvenille hatred of Marty.

It will come back to bite him in the butt no doubt.

I would seriously bet good money that Norv Turner will never win a SB as a head coach. write it down.

scott free
02-22-2007, 06:59 PM
IM no Marty lover...but hes worlds better than Norv Loser.

Its s shame AJ Smith couldnt get over his juvenille hatred of Marty.

It will come back to bite him in the butt no doubt.

I would seriously bet good money that Norv Turner will never win a SB as a head coach. write it down.

All true, Norv couldnt sniff Martys jock as far as being a head coach.

CHIEF4EVER
02-22-2007, 07:01 PM
Norv Turner is another example of a Good Coordinator who is a shitty Head Coach.

DaWolf
02-22-2007, 09:32 PM
When Raider fans (2-14) are laughing at the fact that the Chargers hired Norv Turner, I'd say that's as good an indication that he hasn't been a good head coach as his career record is.

One brought up a good point. With some of the turds on that team, and combining it with the Norv Turner who allows the players and front office to walk all over him, that team is gonna fall apart at the first sign of trouble...

Frankie
02-23-2007, 08:38 AM
IM no Marty lover....
Likely story! Didn't Marty leave KC under scandalous circumstances? :hmmm:
:p

Frankie
02-23-2007, 08:40 AM
All true, Norv couldnt sniff Martys jock as far as being a head coach.
Not true. Word around the street is he has sniffed Marty's jock a couple of times.

scott free
02-23-2007, 08:50 AM
Not true. Word around the street is he has sniffed Marty's jock a couple of times.

Well, that certainly explains what happened to his face...

Chiefs Pantalones
02-23-2007, 08:57 AM
I'll believe it when I see it. The Chargers are too talented.

Chiefs fans are hoping that they'll fall flat on their faces, I am too, but I think they'll win the AFC West next year.

Rooster
02-23-2007, 01:16 PM
Is this Norv Turner or Al Gore?? :hmmm:

Chief Faithful
02-23-2007, 02:06 PM
It's true that Marty hasn't been/is not the GM.
However, as has been noted over and over again, Carl almost always drafts the players that his coach is asking for, so Marty gets some of the credit/blame for the successes/failures of those drafts.

Those drafts included some pretty shitty offensive skill position players.
And he sure as hell didn't recognize and get ready to play one Joe Horn.

Again, that team was assembled by John Butler and AJ Smith.
As for Brees, Marty, like the rest of the Charger organization, was ready to give up on Brees after the '03 season, but Brees worked hard in that offseason, and spent a lot of time with his OC looking at film and working on mechanics.
Marty gets no credit for that, and neither does AJ Smith.
Brees is a testament to hard work and desire.

I'll give you Gates.

Marty is only adequate, at best, at developing offensive skill position players, with the exception of TE apparently.
What Marty does better than most coaches is get his players to play hard for him, and that is an admirable quality.



I think we agree more than we disagree, but I still believe Marty is one of the best coaches in the NFL at turning around a floundering organization and building talented teams.

For example, the only position on offense that Marty has not repeatedly developed is WR and still there are some exceptions such as Webster Slaughter and Joe Horn. In KC they did not develop a young QB, but he still gets credit for getting the most out of players like Bono, Gannon, and Deberg. During his time on other teams we saw the rise of Brees, Phillips and Kosar.

As for the offensive line how can you not give credit to Schottenhiemer? Every place he has coached he rebuilt the OL and left it better than when he arrived. He developed three of my all time favorites in Dave Szott, John Alt and Will Shields.

Almost everyone on this board knows what you get with Marty; a talented team that fails in the playoffs. We also know what you get with Turner, which is less than what he receives.

Smith developed the Charger's team you see with Marty not without him. The organization was in disarray before Schottenhiemer arrived and I believe Turner will pull a Switzer and have that organization sucking wind in two years.

Buck
02-23-2007, 02:10 PM
I have a wait and see mentality because Norv has never had a team like he has now in San Diego.

El Jefe
02-23-2007, 02:16 PM
Who cares who the coach is when you have LT, Gates, Merriman and Rivers, with those guys you have a shot anyway.

Redrum_69
02-23-2007, 02:23 PM
Who cares who the coach is when you have LT, Gates, Merriman and Rivers, with those guys you have a shot anyway.


I'm sure that Jesus is watching everything you post and shaking his head..sinner...

Buck
02-23-2007, 02:26 PM
I'm sure that Jesus is watching everything you post and shaking his head..sinner...

Ok...Believer.