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Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 04:13 PM
Sorry Bob Dole missed your visit over the weekend.

Feel free to come pay a return visit when Bob Dole is home. Bob Dole has some .44 Magnum Black Talons you missed on your first trip, and Bob Dole would be more than happy to deliver them at an extreme velocity when you come back for a visit.

Assholes.

keg in kc
02-19-2007, 04:14 PM
Whowhat?

HMc
02-19-2007, 04:14 PM
someone from chiefsplanet robbed you?

Easy 6
02-19-2007, 04:15 PM
Sumbody been pilferin' Bob Doles belongins'...

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 04:16 PM
Someone broke in and burglarized Bob Dole's house while he was in Shreveport, LA for the Mardi Gras festivities.

Just wanted them to know they missed 2 firearms and a stash of ammo, and Bob Dole would be more than happy to show them up-close if they'd like to come back while Bob Dole is home.

Bugeater
02-19-2007, 04:16 PM
Leave the door unlocked for me next time, ****er.

keg in kc
02-19-2007, 04:17 PM
Oh shit, dude.

Buck
02-19-2007, 04:17 PM
Someone broke in and burglarized Bob Dole's house while he was in Shreveport, LA for the Mardi Gras festivities.

Just wanted them to know they missed 2 firearms and a stash of ammo, and Bob Dole would be more than happy to show them up-close if they'd like to come back while Bob Dole is home.

Did they get anything good?

Direckshun
02-19-2007, 04:17 PM
Sorry to hear that, Bob.

Bwana
02-19-2007, 04:17 PM
Wood Chipper

Bugeater
02-19-2007, 04:18 PM
Wood Chipper
Feet first.

cdcox
02-19-2007, 04:18 PM
Wood Chipper

Or feed 'em to the pigs.

Bwana
02-19-2007, 04:19 PM
Yes and yes........

HMc
02-19-2007, 04:19 PM
are you allowed to shoot someone who's robbing you? If he isn't armed?

Bill Parcells
02-19-2007, 04:20 PM
It's nice to know Bob Dole has an arsenal of Administrative weaponry here on the Planet,and at home as well.

Bugeater
02-19-2007, 04:20 PM
are you allowed to shoot someone who's robbing you? If he isn't armed?
If they're breaking into your home when you're in it, yes.

Fairplay
02-19-2007, 04:22 PM
Just wanted them to know they missed 2 firearms and a stash of ammo, and Bob Dole would be more than happy to show them up-close if they'd like to come back while Bob Dole is home.



Ok, i'll be there this weekend.

DeezNutz
02-19-2007, 04:22 PM
Someone broke in and burglarized Bob Dole's house while he was in Shreveport, LA for the Mardi Gras festivities.

Just wanted them to know they missed 2 firearms and a stash of ammo, and Bob Dole would be more than happy to show them up-close if they'd like to come back while Bob Dole is home.

Sorry this happened, bro. I can imagine how unsettling this would have been. If you haven't already, it might be wise to goof up your routine a bit. Sometimes get the mail, sometimes don't on any given day. Leave a light on in a room all night for no reason. DeezNutz have heard that most scum scope out a house before doing the deed, and it might be wise to look as unpredictable as possible.

Please excuse the unsolicited advice. I know that you're probably not in the mood, but I'm trying to be helpful...

Bwana
02-19-2007, 04:23 PM
are you allowed to shoot someone who's robbing you? If he isn't armed?

It depends on specific state laws. In Montana not only yes, but it is encouraged. :)

DeezNutz
02-19-2007, 04:25 PM
are you allowed to shoot someone who's robbing you? If he isn't armed?

I think there are situations where it's justifiable even when one's on your property. Now, don't take this statement out of context, but one could probably imagine a scenario.

SPchief
02-19-2007, 04:26 PM
Where were the guns? I swear I looked all over for those ****ers.

Iowanian
02-19-2007, 04:29 PM
The funny part is, I used some guys' riding mower and wagon I stole 3-4 years ago to haul the loot away this time.

It was awesome.

Simply Red
02-19-2007, 04:31 PM
Holy Shit!

pussies!

Sorry to hear that BD. Fuggers!!

Fairplay
02-19-2007, 04:31 PM
Trailer parks are easy pickins.

Baby Lee
02-19-2007, 04:34 PM
The funny part is, I used some guys' riding mower and wagon I stole 3-4 years ago to haul the loot away this time.

It was awesome.
And I rode my peach colored bicycle over to help him.

Bwana
02-19-2007, 04:35 PM
Likely those church bastits trying to settle the score. One up them with a few bird bombs Bob.

Incoming......... :evil:

BOOM!!

unothadeal
02-19-2007, 04:36 PM
Did they get anything good?

Not really. Just a stereo and a case of beer...I mean...Yeah, did they get anything good?

Count Zarth
02-19-2007, 04:38 PM
You would murder someone over material possessions...nice.

Simply Red
02-19-2007, 04:39 PM
You would murder someone over material possessions...nice.
:spock:

HMc
02-19-2007, 04:40 PM
this thread needs more "i did it!" gags

Bwana
02-19-2007, 04:43 PM
You would murder someone over material possessions...nice.

Yeah.............and?

Sorry pal, if you are breaking into my house with me in it, you're dead.

DeezNutz
02-19-2007, 04:45 PM
You would murder someone over material possessions...nice.

Is this a joke? Someone breaks in and represents a threat to my family = some new carpet and drywall at my house.

Brock
02-19-2007, 04:45 PM
You would murder someone over material possessions...nice.

Spoken like a true ****ing moron who has never worked a day in his miserable life.

Count Zarth
02-19-2007, 04:45 PM
I said it was nice. Jeez. What do you want a trophy?

bogie
02-19-2007, 05:18 PM
Sorry to hear this Bob Dole. I would be sooo pissed off. You know it wasn't me because without opposable thumbs, I can't really pick stuff up.

Logical
02-19-2007, 05:27 PM
are you allowed to shoot someone who's robbing you? If he isn't armed?
Yes and yes........
Depends on the state. You are probably correct for Wyoming, Montana, Texas, and maybe even Arkansas. Not true for Mo, Kan, Calif etc.

dirk digler
02-19-2007, 05:32 PM
Yeah.............and?

Sorry pal, if you are breaking into my house with me in it, you're dead.

LMAO

Exactly.

Sorry to hear about this Bob Dole. It has been a rough start of the year for some Planteers.

Iowanian
02-19-2007, 05:32 PM
You would murder someone over material possessions...nice.

I suppose you'd get a dolly cart and ask your mother/roomate to help them load your PC, video games, star wars collectibles and porn, along with your mother's TV and valuables......


I beat the piss out of a kid in 7th grade for stealing $20 out of my wallet. Why? Because I worked my effing ass off for 10 hours for that money. It wasn't the last one issued over theft.

As an adult, if someone entered my home I'd ruin their shit and turn their chest into a spaghetti strainer in about 3 seconds.

Call it "over possessions", "for ruining my sense of security", "Invading of home space" if you want. I'll call it defending my home and family and send the cleanup invoice along with a bill for spent amunition to the futher mucker's estate.

Somewhere around that time, I'm sure the Catholic in me will awaken and I'll start seeing what I can do about avoiding that Hell thing.

88TG88
02-19-2007, 05:34 PM
are you allowed to shoot someone who's robbing you? If he isn't armed?
God Bless America

dirk digler
02-19-2007, 05:35 PM
Not true for Mo, Kan, Calif etc.

Seriously? Hell if it is at night and I can't see shit I am not taking my chances on him NOT having a weapon. The mother****er is DOA and they want to prosecute me let them go for it

Iowanian
02-19-2007, 05:37 PM
If they get caught, Bob Dole should be able to impale their asses on a rusty fence post and roast them over open coals on his front lawn to detour any further similar activity.

88TG88
02-19-2007, 05:38 PM
Depends on the state. You are probably correct for Wyoming, Montana, Texas, and maybe even Arkansas. Not true for Mo, Kan, Calif etc.
The law in CA is (might have changed but IIRC) if you are in immediate danger you can use deadly force.

Jenson71
02-19-2007, 05:40 PM
That really sucks Bob Dole. I wish you peace and comfort, and a retrieval of the items.

stevieray
02-19-2007, 05:40 PM
that's messed up, man... :shake:

Iowanian
02-19-2007, 05:43 PM
God Bless America

Aussies nail the assailants to a fire ant mound with a stingray barb through the scrote.

In the US, we sometimes make Bulldick canes or Coondick toothpicks(true on both counts)...In Austrailia, the home owner has an Aboriginee named Mondo make a boomerang from their hip bones and a DIDJERIDU from the phallus.

Bwana
02-19-2007, 05:49 PM
Depends on the state. You are probably correct for Wyoming, Montana, Texas, and maybe even Arkansas. Not true for Mo, Kan, Calif etc.Look again Jim. The "Yes and Yes" were not regarding my answer to the "can you shoot" question. :) It was in response to the wood chipper feet first and feeding pigs answers.

Skip Towne
02-19-2007, 05:49 PM
Spoken like a true ****ing moron who has never worked a day in his miserable life.
You beat me to it.

HMc
02-19-2007, 05:50 PM
armed home invasions are rare as rockin horse shit in these parts, champion. Cos were not armed.

ChiefsCountry
02-19-2007, 05:52 PM
I always wondered why alot of robbers never touch firearms when they break in. I know when the stupid focker who broke into my parents house didnt touch our guns at all. And considering the collection that me and dad own they are really dumb.

bogie
02-19-2007, 05:52 PM
Depends on the state. You are probably correct for Wyoming, Montana, Texas, and maybe even Arkansas. Not true for Mo, Kan, Calif etc.

Seriously? If soomeone breaks in to my house here in CA unarmed, I'm not allowed to shoot them?

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 05:52 PM
Did they get anything good?

Not nearly as much as they could have. It appears that something spooked them. A nice cordless drill, the Ibanez SZ520, the Orange amp and the Pignose were all sitting near the back door, but still present.

They got a couple of rings, a laptop, a 250g Maxtor external drive with Bob Dole's 8000+ song music collection, about $70 cash, a Civil War era shotgun, a 1975 Colt Govt model Mk IV Series 70, an antique pocket watch, Bob Dole's grandfather's Beatty Jet Lighter (complete with packaging and instructions), a partial 12-pack of condoms, a black sock, a pillowcase, and lord knows what else that Bob Dole still hasn't discovered.

bogie
02-19-2007, 05:54 PM
Seriously? Hell if it is at night and I can't see shit I am not taking my chances on him NOT having a weapon. The mother****er is DOA and they want to prosecute me let them go for it

I agree.

chiefs4me
02-19-2007, 05:55 PM
Or feed 'em to the pigs.






not pigs, HOGS , hogs will eat anything, even the bone..

ExtremeChief
02-19-2007, 05:55 PM
that sucks dude

Skip Towne
02-19-2007, 05:55 PM
They didn't take your TV's? When this happened to me a few years back they took everything of value.

Fairplay
02-19-2007, 05:56 PM
...........a partial 12-pack of condoms,



Yeah, i can't use the condoms. Its for a size small.

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 05:57 PM
Sorry this happened, bro. I can imagine how unsettling this would have been. If you haven't already, it might be wise to goof up your routine a bit. Sometimes get the mail, sometimes don't on any given day. Leave a light on in a room all night for no reason. DeezNutz have heard that most scum scope out a house before doing the deed, and it might be wise to look as unpredictable as possible.

Please excuse the unsolicited advice. I know that you're probably not in the mood, but I'm trying to be helpful...

Bob Dole left with the dogs and lives alone. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if Bob Dole is loading up the dogs, he's probably not going to the mall...

Hydrae
02-19-2007, 05:57 PM
I am so disappointed. I expected a full-out rant of epic proportions and I am afraid Bob Dole has failed me.


Seriously, sorry to hear of this Mr Dole. Keep an eye on the pawnshops in the area.

chiefs4me
02-19-2007, 05:58 PM
Not nearly as much as they could have. It appears that something spooked them. A nice cordless drill, the Ibanez SZ520, the Orange amp and the Pignose were all sitting near the back door, but still present.

They got a couple of rings, a laptop, a 250g Maxtor external drive with Bob Dole's 8000+ song music collection, about $70 cash, a Civil War era shotgun, a 1975 Colt Govt model Mk IV Series 70, an antique pocket watch, Bob Dole's grandfather's Beatty Jet Lighter (complete with packaging and instructions), a partial 12-pack of condoms, a black sock, a pillowcase, and lord knows what else that Bob Dole still hasn't discovered.






1 black sock...:hmmm:

bogie
02-19-2007, 05:59 PM
Not nearly as much as they could have. It appears that something spooked them. A nice cordless drill, the Ibanez SZ520, the Orange amp and the Pignose were all sitting near the back door, but still present.

They got a couple of rings, a laptop, a 250g Maxtor external drive with Bob Dole's 8000+ song music collection, about $70 cash, a Civil War era shotgun, a 1975 Colt Govt model Mk IV Series 70, an antique pocket watch, Bob Dole's grandfather's Beatty Jet Lighter (complete with packaging and instructions), a partial 12-pack of condoms, a black sock, a pillowcase, and lord knows what else that Bob Dole still hasn't discovered.

That is messed up. Little pieces of shit. Is this a pattern in your neighborhood, or were you just a random unlucky MoFo? Could it be someone you know that knew you were going out of town?

stevieray
02-19-2007, 06:00 PM
Not nearly as much as they could have. It appears that something spooked them. A nice cordless drill, the Ibanez SZ520, the Orange amp and the Pignose were all sitting near the back door, but still present.

They got a couple of rings, a laptop, a 250g Maxtor external drive with Bob Dole's 8000+ song music collection, about $70 cash, a Civil War era shotgun, a 1975 Colt Govt model Mk IV Series 70, an antique pocket watch, Bob Dole's grandfather's Beatty Jet Lighter (complete with packaging and instructions), a partial 12-pack of condoms, a black sock, a pillowcase, and lord knows what else that Bob Dole still hasn't discovered.

:shake:

Bwana
02-19-2007, 06:00 PM
not pigs, HOGS , hogs will eat anything, even the bone..

Bone eating hogs? Good God, that sounds like one of Endelts dates back in the day. :shake:

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 06:00 PM
They didn't take your TV's? When this happened to me a few years back they took everything of value.

Nope. All TVs and electronics other than the laptop and HD are still accounted for.

They were either on foot and/or spooked. What's missing could have been carried out in one load, and other stuff of value was moved toward the back door where they came and went, but still sitting there.

old_geezer
02-19-2007, 06:00 PM
Depends on the state. You are probably correct for Wyoming, Montana, Texas, and maybe even Arkansas. Not true for Mo, Kan, Calif etc.


In Missouri you have the right to shoot (and kill if your aim is good) anyone who breaks into your home as long as you can convince the jury that you had a legitimate fear for your life or the life of some-one else with you. I just took the concealed carry course last year in Missouri and things are looking bleaker for the perps. Just be sure the holes you leave in the creep are in his chest and not in his back. It's hard to claim self-defense when the sombitch is running away from you.

Edit: They don't have to be armed either. If they make a move towards you and you fear for your life - "bang".

Bugeater
02-19-2007, 06:02 PM
Seriously? If soomeone breaks in to my house here in CA unarmed, I'm not allowed to shoot them?
The whole "unarmed" thing is BS. How the hell are you supposed to know if they're armed or not? Are you going to ask them? Shoot first, ask questions later.

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 06:04 PM
That is messed up. Little pieces of shit. Is this a pattern in your neighborhood, or were you just a random unlucky MoFo? Could it be someone you know that knew you were going out of town?

Not a pattern as far as Bob Dole knows.

5 people knew Bob Dole was going to be gone. 3 here (one of whom has a key) that Bob Dole trusts without question, and the 2 people Bob Dole was visiting in Shreveport.

Like Bob Dole said... Living alone, it's kind of hard to cover the fact that you're out of town overnight. If the car ain't in the drive, Bob Dole ain't home.

Buck
02-19-2007, 06:06 PM
Not nearly as much as they could have. It appears that something spooked them. A nice cordless drill, the Ibanez SZ520, the Orange amp and the Pignose were all sitting near the back door, but still present.

They got a couple of rings, a laptop, a 250g Maxtor external drive with Bob Dole's 8000+ song music collection, about $70 cash, a Civil War era shotgun, a 1975 Colt Govt model Mk IV Series 70, an antique pocket watch, Bob Dole's grandfather's Beatty Jet Lighter (complete with packaging and instructions), a partial 12-pack of condoms, a black sock, a pillowcase, and lord knows what else that Bob Dole still hasn't discovered.

That sucks...Dust for fingerprints and run them through the CSI database.

Bwana
02-19-2007, 06:07 PM
In Missouri you have the right to shoot (and kill if your aim is good) anyone who breaks into your home as long as you can convince the jury that you had a legitimate fear for your life or the life of some-one else with you. I just took the concealed carry course last year in Missouri and things are looking bleaker for the perps. Just be sure the holes you leave in the creep are in his chest and not in his back. It's hard to claim self-defense when the sombitch is running away from you.
Exactly and just to be safe, touch off a round in the ceiling after you double tap his ass so you can tell the cops (and jury if it comes down to it) that you warned the perp to stop before you had Winchester him. That way it looks like you went the EXTRA mile before blowing his useless guts all over the carpet. :)

bogie
02-19-2007, 06:09 PM
The whole "unarmed" thing is BS. How the hell are you supposed to know if they're armed or not? Are you going to ask them? Shoot first, ask questions later.

If they're in my house, I'm going to assume they're armed. They're going to be very dead if I can get to my guns. I keep a 308 clip loaded beside my rifle, but it's locked up in a gun cabinet. What are the chances I can get to it in time. Honestly, I'd be afraid the bullet would pass through and hurt a neighbor. Jeesh, this stuff makes me want to keep my shotgun loaded and available.

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 06:12 PM
That sucks...Dust for fingerprints and run them through the CSI database.

Everything that was dustable has been dusted.

Bob Dole is still cleaning the shit up.

bogie
02-19-2007, 06:13 PM
That sucks...Dust for fingerprints and run them through the CSI database.

It's seems quite possible the dumbasses left their fingerprints on the stuff they stacked by the door. It's also possible their figerprints are in a database somewhere.

bogie
02-19-2007, 06:14 PM
How long were you out of town?

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 06:16 PM
It's seems quite possible the dumbasses left their fingerprints on the stuff they stacked by the door. It's also possible their figerprints are in a database somewhere.

The only item by the door that was dustable was the guitar. Everything else had a rough texture.

They got some good prints off the neck and body, but they may be Bob Dole's and one of his buddy's. They also got some prints off a bank envelope that the dipshits tore open and left on the floor. (It was just mortgage refinance paperwork.)

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 06:16 PM
How long were you out of town?

Left about 1:30pm Saturday and got back at 7am today.

bogie
02-19-2007, 06:22 PM
Left about 1:30pm Saturday and got back at 7am today.

Man that's creepy. The assholes were probably watching you pack. How would they know you were going to be gone long enough? Do your dogs normally announce visitors? Have you recently had strangers knock on your door prior to you leaving for NO?

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 06:24 PM
Man that's creepy. The assholes were probably watching you pack. How would they know you were going to be gone long enough? Do your dogs normally announce visitors? Have you recently had strangers knock on your door prior to you leaving for NO?

No visitors.

The dogs definitely announce visitors, but if anyone happened to be watching, it was pretty obvious Bob Dole was going overnight when he loaded the dogs in the car.

Bob Dole
02-19-2007, 06:25 PM
Oh well... Bob Dole is tired of discovering additional missing items. It's off to the Monday Blues Jam and lots of alcohol.

Thanks for letting Bob Dole vent.

bogie
02-19-2007, 06:27 PM
Oh well... Bob Dole is tired of discovering additional missing items. It's off to the Monday Blues Jam and lots of alcohol.

Thanks for letting Bob Dole vent.

Leave a light on.

el borracho
02-19-2007, 06:46 PM
Oh well... Bob Dole is tired of discovering additional missing items. It's off to the Monday Blues Jam and lots of alcohol.

Thanks for letting Bob Dole vent.
Do me a favor and leave the guitar by the door.

Phobia
02-19-2007, 06:58 PM
Sorry to hear it, man. I know how you feel.

FAX
02-19-2007, 06:59 PM
Very saddened by this news, Mr. Bob Dole.

At least you're okay, though.

FAX

unothadeal
02-19-2007, 07:23 PM
Are you sure you're in the right house?

RedNeckRaider
02-19-2007, 09:00 PM
Everything that was dustable has been dusted.

Bob Dole is still cleaning the shit up.
That crap is a pain in the ass to clean up. Our jobsite got hit 4 frigging times in one week! they dusted the job trailer and it was a bitch to clean up. Anyway sorry to hear it and I hope they catch the bastards.

Nzoner
02-19-2007, 09:12 PM
Sorry to hear dude.

ROYC75
02-19-2007, 09:28 PM
Did they get anything good?


Only the Viagra ...........

Demonpenz
02-20-2007, 12:07 AM
pieces of shit. Don't want to work for anything. They will get theirs one way or another and hopefully you get your stuff back.

Redcoats58
02-20-2007, 12:15 AM
You would murder someone over material possessions...nice.
You bet, and with a smile on my face.

FDS
02-20-2007, 01:03 AM
I need to hit the pawn shops in Texarkana area.

PBJ FirstDownSamie PBJ

SPchief
02-20-2007, 01:07 AM
pieces of shit. Don't want to work for anything. They will get theirs one way or another and hopefully you get your stuff back.



Got robbed in Springtown about 5 years ago. Have yet to see anything from it. Well, I didn't get robbed, just was in the process of moving. Had a two week difference in leases, so moved all of my stuff into a buddies house. We left for the lake on Memorial day weekend. Came back and everything was gone. His stuff was covered by insurance, mine not so much.

Bugeater
02-20-2007, 01:08 AM
Got robbed in Springtown about 5 years ago. Have yet to see anything from it. Well, I didn't get robbed, just was in the process of moving. Had a two week difference in leases, so moved all of my stuff into a buddies house. We left for the lake on Memorial day weekend. Came back and everything was gone. His stuff was covered by insurance, mine not so much.
:hmmm: Sounds like an inside job.

boogblaster
02-20-2007, 07:27 AM
Set conabear traps next time ..they break ankles...

trndobrd
02-20-2007, 08:12 AM
Not sure where Logical is getting his info, but there is no requirement that an intruder be armed, only that s/he present an immediate danger to the people in the house. In any state the presence of someone breaking into your home is considered to pose an immediate danger.

Many states, including KS and have passed "Castle Doctrine" laws. However, even "duty to retreat" states like Mass & NY allow deadly force in a dwelling.

Brock
02-20-2007, 08:15 AM
Seriously? If soomeone breaks in to my house here in CA unarmed, I'm not allowed to shoot them?

Listen to Logical at your own risk.

jspchief
02-20-2007, 08:27 AM
Anyone have a link to the story about the rich guys in Texas that give a reward to anyone that shoots and kills a burgalur in their home?

kc rush
02-20-2007, 09:04 AM
That sucks. It happened to us about 9 years ago and we never recovered anything. We lived near state line at the time and the cops said that robberies happened quite a bit more there since it was more difficult to carry on an investigation in a different state.

Bob Dole
02-20-2007, 09:13 AM
Set conabear traps next time ..they break ankles...

That will actually get you arrested in most states. You're not allowed to protect your material possessions with force--only your person.

Pushead2
02-20-2007, 09:16 AM
Amazing the rules implied for trying to protect your own house , apartment or even property for that matter.

jspchief
02-20-2007, 09:21 AM
That will actually get you arrested in most states. You're not allowed to protect your material possessions with force--only your person.I've always despised these types of laws.

I should be allowed to booby trap my shit. If you want to steal my TV, just keep in mind that a steel spike might be launched into your skull.

I used to put razor blades on my truck speakers back in the day so that anyone that tried to do a quick grab was likely to get cut up like a bitchy hooker at a serial killer's convention. There's something wrong with our world when that can get me put in jail.

Brock
02-20-2007, 09:23 AM
Tex. Pen. Code 9.01(3). Specifically, one may use such force "against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:"


(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:


(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and


(3) he reasonably believes that:


(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.


Tex. Pen. Code 9.42.

Finally, one may also resort to such measures against another in the defense of a third-party's property. Texas law provides that:


A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:


(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or

(2) the actor reasonably believes that:


(A) the third person has requested his protection of the land or property;

(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third person's land or property; or

(C) the third person whose land or property he uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent, or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.

Brock
02-20-2007, 09:24 AM
That probably doesn't cover booby-trapping your shit.

Pushead2
02-20-2007, 09:24 AM
I've always despised these types of laws.

I should be allowed to booby trap my shit. If you want to steal my TV, just keep in mind that a steel spike might be launched into your skull.

I used to put razor blades on my truck speakers back in the day so that anyone that tried to do a quick grab was likely to get cut up like a bitchy hooker at a serial killer's convention. There's something wrong with our world when that can get me put in jail.

ROFL .... nice

Rain Man
02-20-2007, 09:34 AM
Here's what we've got going on in Colorado right now. If this passes, I'm going to buy DaFace a really big letter opener and sic him on anyone who breaks in.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/editorials/article/0,2777,DRMN_23964_5352382,00.html


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After a couple of weeks of stalling by opponents, the state House on Wednesday voted 34-30 to expand Colorado's "make my day" law so that a strengthened right to self-defense would apply not only to homes but also businesses.
It's a useful extension of a statute that's been on the books since 1985. We hope Senate Democrats will ignore appeals from most (but fortunately, not all) of their colleagues in the House and pass this clear improvement in the law.

Last year's version of this extension of Colorado's "make-my-day" law, introduced by Rep. Cory Gardner, R-Yuma, went nowhere, which is fine by our account. It had some worrisome flaws, allowing lawful occupants of a home or vehicle to use lethal force on an intruder even if there was no evidence that he threatened to harm someone.

So Gardner came back this year with House Bill 1011, which in its current form would simply add the term "or place of business" to the law that gives Colorado residents "a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes."

It would allow the occupant of a residence or business (but not a vehicle) to use lethal force without fear of prosecution or civil liability under limited conditions: The intruder must have entered the property unlawfully; he has either committed or is expected to commit a crime other than trespass; and the legal occupant has reason to believe that the invader means to inflict physical harm on someone there.

These conditions now prevent prosecutions against homeowners under make-my-day; HB 1011 would apply them to business operators, too.

Opponents act as if the bill would declare open season on innocent Coloradans. Rep. Gwyn Green, D-Golden, said Wednesday, "This legislation encourages a culture of violence. . . . We don't just blow people away."

But HB 1011 would not allow a dishwasher to shoot a drunk who innocently stumbled into a restaurant kitchen and passed out. To avoid prosecution, there must be a reasonable belief that the intruder planned to commit a crime or intended to harm the diners or staff.

Which brings us to the case of Christakes Christou, who owns the Funky Buddha tavern in downtown Denver. Early in the morning of Jan. 3, 2006, Christou lay in wait inside the bar after it closed, hoping to catch whoever it was who Christou said had burgled the establishment several times before.

Surveillance tapes showed a transient indeed broke into the bar that morning. Christou shot the man, who subsequently recovered and was charged with second-degree burglary.

But the bar owner was initially charged with attempted murder. He later entered a plea agreement that placed him on two years probation and required 50 hours of community service.

Christou's defenders say he should have never been prosecuted at all. We haven't seen the tape, but certainly business owners should not have to stand aside when someone breaks into their establishment and signal for the fellow to help himself. Nor is it wrong for someone who's endured repeated break-ins to act as a sentinel on his own property.

The Senate should extend the make-my-day principle, and send HB 1011 to Gov. Bill Ritter's desk.

38yrsfan
02-20-2007, 10:48 AM
Sorry Bob Dole missed your visit over the weekend.

Feel free to come pay a return visit when Bob Dole is home. Bob Dole has some .44 Magnum Black Talons you missed on your first trip, and Bob Dole would be more than happy to deliver them at an extreme velocity when you come back for a visit.

Assholes.

Sorry for you .... supposedly it will happen to about everyone sometime in life.

Mine was a pisser to but the car not the house (not nearly invasive but still a "gun-gripper mad"); coming back from a week of camping near Padre on the beach we got in late and had to search for a hotel room in San Antonio - we were taking the kids to Seaworld the next day. The hotel rule was always get a room early, ground floor, park right outside to hear anything unusual. Ended up getting what was left; a room in the back.

They broke a large side window to get in (popped it with a pry, not much noise that way), stole a 9mm handgun, a mini-14 decked out for my preferences, camping gear and had the time and the balls to finish of my beer and take the last of the ham. I usually haul all the weapons inside but it was late, I was tired, etc, lame excuse I know , etc. .... I did have my personal security metal with me (a Browning 9mm). Three other cars got it as well. In hindsight I remember two guys sitting in their van for a long time, everytime I went down to the car they were still there, backed into a far spot watching everything.

Had to get the window replaced in the Seaworld parking lot while the kids and wife were in the park. Pissed the wife and I considerably but didn't seem to affect the kids to much. Insurance company was great about it sending someone out to Seaaworld to fix it for us.

Self-installed noise alarms and recording surveillance systems are worth the small cost, I've install a few of them.

check out: http://www.supercircuits.com/index.asp

my 2 cents, but hey it is my birthday today, no work and goofing off is the start, then .........

Bob Dole
02-20-2007, 11:12 AM
Tex. Pen. Code 9.01(3). Specifically, one may use such force "against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:"


(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:


(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and


(3) he reasonably believes that:


(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.


Tex. Pen. Code 9.42.

Finally, one may also resort to such measures against another in the defense of a third-party's property. Texas law provides that:


A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:


(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or

(2) the actor reasonably believes that:


(A) the third person has requested his protection of the land or property;

(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third person's land or property; or

(C) the third person whose land or property he uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent, or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.

Cool.

Bob Dole knows firsthand, however, a person in MO who was sued because he shot a guy--who was carrying his television out to the partially loaded truck--square in the buttock.

old_geezer
02-20-2007, 11:22 AM
Cool.

Bob Dole knows firsthand, however, a person in MO who was sued because he shot a guy--who was carrying his television out to the partially loaded truck--square in the buttock.


Do not - I repeat - DO NOT shoot anyone in the back unless they are about to harm someone else. No matter the circumstance you are just asking for trouble.

Brock
02-20-2007, 12:37 PM
Cool.

Bob Dole knows firsthand, however, a person in MO who was sued because he shot a guy--who was carrying his television out to the partially loaded truck--square in the buttock.

I don't doubt that, and I would advise you that being safe from criminal charges doesn't mean that you wouldn't be sued by a wounded burglar or a dead burglar's family.

bogie
02-20-2007, 01:00 PM
A neighbor's car was broken in to last night. I had my rig parked on the street with my golf clubs in it. I'm lucky they didn't hit mine. I'm thinking about sitting out front behind some bushes for the next few nights. I know I could shoot some coyotes while I'm waiting for the thieves. I could load my 12 guage, put on my camo and blend in with the shrubbery. It would be like a late night turkey hunt.

HemiEd
02-20-2007, 02:11 PM
Sorry to hear of this Bob Dole. But please tell me, how you knew a black sock was missing?

HemiEd
02-20-2007, 02:13 PM
I'm thinking about sitting out front behind some bushes for the next few nights. I know I could shoot some coyotes while I'm waiting for the thieves. I could load my 12 guage, put on my camo and blend in with the shrubbery. It would be like a late night turkey hunt.

Your daughter would be so proud.

Count Zarth
02-20-2007, 02:49 PM
EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON

kaplin42
02-20-2007, 02:57 PM
In Cali. the persons have to be presenting a physical threat to you or your family. Which means that they have to basicaly raping your wife in order for you to do anything.

Hell, most of the time if a burglar breaks into your place, trips and breaks a leg, they can so you for medical bills and disability, and win.

If you shoot someone for just breaking into your place, a cali jury is sending you to prison for a long time.


Bob Dole,

Sorry that this happened. Those bastards should be strung up by their balls with some razor wire.

Go Chiefs,

I would empty my clip, reload and empty it again for putting my family at risk.

bogie
02-20-2007, 03:13 PM
In Cali. the persons have to be presenting a physical threat to you or your family. Which means that they have to basicaly raping your wife in order for you to do anything.

Hell, most of the time if a burglar breaks into your place, trips and breaks a leg, they can so you for medical bills and disability, and win.

If you shoot someone for just breaking into your place, a cali jury is sending you to prison for a long time.


Bob Dole,

Sorry that this happened. Those bastards should be strung up by their balls with some razor wire.

Go Chiefs,

I would empty my clip, reload and empty it again for putting my family at risk.

You're saying that if I hear someone break the glass out of a window, I grab my gun and by the time I get it, the person is in my house and I shoot and kill him, I'm going to jail? That seems absurd.

Bob Dole
02-20-2007, 03:26 PM
Sorry to hear of this Bob Dole. But please tell me, how you knew a black sock was missing?

They dropped its mate in the neighbor's front yard.

stevieray
02-20-2007, 03:29 PM
eight thousand songs...

:shake:

kaplin42
02-20-2007, 04:33 PM
You're saying that if I hear someone break the glass out of a window, I grab my gun and by the time I get it, the person is in my house and I shoot and kill him, I'm going to jail? That seems absurd.


Welcome to California!!!

Oh an in the above instance, the burglars family is probably going to sue you.

Bob Dole
02-20-2007, 04:46 PM
eight thousand songs...

:shake:

At least the other 5600+ were in the back of Bob Dole's car...

bogie
02-20-2007, 04:48 PM
Welcome to California!!!

Oh an in the above instance, the burglars family is probably going to sue you.

bummer.

HemiEd
02-20-2007, 05:01 PM
They dropped its mate in the neighbor's front yard.


Thanks for connecting the dots, it sounded so odd. Maybe they were using them to wipe off prints?

Fairplay
02-20-2007, 05:05 PM
Sorry that this happened to you BD.

Im fortunate as i have never experienced this to me. I hope you get a lead somehow.

Bob Dole
02-20-2007, 05:13 PM
Thanks for connecting the dots, it sounded so odd. Maybe they were using them to wipe off prints?

It appears that they used it to cart off an ashtray holding about $30 worth of change. It's apparent that they "staged" their loot on Bob Dole's ****ing bed and used a pillowcase to carry off loose items.

trndobrd
02-20-2007, 05:14 PM
I've always despised these types of laws.

I should be allowed to booby trap my shit. If you want to steal my TV, just keep in mind that a steel spike might be launched into your skull.

I used to put razor blades on my truck speakers back in the day so that anyone that tried to do a quick grab was likely to get cut up like a bitchy hooker at a serial killer's convention. There's something wrong with our world when that can get me put in jail.


Spring guns, electricfied windows, spikes, etc. are all great...until a firefighter goes running into your home to save you and/or your posessions and gets blasted in the face by a spring loaded shotgun.

Fairplay
02-20-2007, 05:20 PM
I don't have stats for this but...it seems like i've read that the thief percentage wise has either been in the house before and knows of some of its contents. Or talked to someone who has been in the house and had been told of whats in it.

Of course the latter could be where someone in conversation, meaning no harmful intentions, was blabbing their mouth to someone who can't be trusted.