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Lzen
02-20-2007, 09:46 AM
My furnace is 13 years old and it appears to have a cracked heat exchanger. Looks like I'm going to be needing to replace it. I already have a few bids and I'm in the process of getting more furnace guys out with some more bids. Any pros on here that know some things about this? Any particular brand of furnace I should absolutely avoid? Any particular brand that is head and shoulders above the rest? Any additional info would be helpful.

Brock
02-20-2007, 09:51 AM
consumer reports data

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/resources/images/home-garden/heating-cooling-air/furnaces-repair-history-205/overview/0502fur001.gif

Stinger
02-20-2007, 09:53 AM
Maybe try trading Jenny Gump your furnace for her water heater?

Phobia
02-20-2007, 09:58 AM
I don't know anything about this other than I spotted it last night. It might work for you.

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/hsh/281407538.html

Skip Towne
02-20-2007, 10:02 AM
Wait till Bob Dole leaves town and steal his furnace.

Inspector
02-20-2007, 10:09 AM
If you are in the KC area, call my kid. He has a HVAC buisness: E.R.Mann Heating & Cooling. Family owned and operated since 1962.

He'll give you excellent advice and stands behind his products.

Good luck!

Lzen
02-20-2007, 10:20 AM
I don't know anything about this other than I spotted it last night. It might work for you.

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/hsh/281407538.html


Comfortmaker? Never even heard of that. Thanks for the suggestion but I think by the time I pay for labor, I can get a much more well known model installed for the same or maybe even less.

Lzen
02-20-2007, 10:23 AM
consumer reports data

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/resources/images/home-garden/heating-cooling-air/furnaces-repair-history-205/overview/0502fur001.gif

Thanks, that is good info. Funny thing, my furnace (was installed a couple years before I bought this house) is a Goodman. According to this list, that brand has the most repair issues by far. :banghead:

Phobia
02-20-2007, 10:29 AM
Comfortmaker? Never even heard of that. Thanks for the suggestion but I think by the time I pay for labor, I can get a much more well known model installed for the same or maybe even less.

No problem. I just happened upon it last night so I figured I'd share. I've never heard of them either.

Fairplay
02-20-2007, 10:34 AM
Seems like there is someone else on here that installs furnaces.

Try the dude the inspector knows. If he does a good job you can give him a plug on here from time to time and give him more business.

Relatively new around here, a thousand or so posts. Can't remember who it is off hand.

Inspector
02-20-2007, 10:40 AM
Seems like there is someone else on here that installs furnaces.

Try the dude the inspector knows. If he does a good job you can give him a plug on here from time to time and give him more business.

Relatively new around here, a thousand or so posts. Can't remember who it is off hand.

Thanks man.

E.R. Mann is my wifes uncle but he is in the process of retiring and has partnered with my son, Travis, who is running the business.

Heck, I'm giving a lot of consideration to retiring myself next spring and taking the other "partner" position there.

Travis has been basically running the business for about 3 years and really knows his stuff. He also stands behind his work and products.

Skip Towne
02-20-2007, 10:49 AM
It's hard to stop a Trane.

Lzen
02-20-2007, 12:02 PM
From what I've been reading, Trane and Rheem seem to be the consensus most reliable.

Inspector, does your uncle know what HTL quality is like? Also, I was told that Goodman bought Amana and now they're trying to rebuild their reputation. The contractor that told me that information also said that Goodman was using the same parts in thier new furnace as in the Amana except the heat exchanger is different. But they will give a lifetime warranty on the heat exchanger. Would your uncle know if any of this is true?

BTW, I don't live in KC. I'm in Topeka.

Moon§hiner
02-20-2007, 08:58 PM
those stats are a few years old on the graph, but I still agree with them..Any of those brands can be good if they are installed properly. There are a lot of low bidders out there that will give you the brand you want and just toss it in and you will have to keep their number on speed dial. I've install Rheem and have installed Trane before that...good products. Ask them to do a load calc as it's possible your heat exchanger cracked because it was originally oversized.
Don't just talk to a salesman, ask to talk to an installer so they can observe the layout of your ductwork.

Fat Elvis
02-20-2007, 09:05 PM
The most important thing about a new heater isn't the brand, but the installation. Make sure you have someone who will stand behind the product they install.

If you are planning on staying in your home for a long time, go ahead and splurge on a very high efficiency heater; it will cost more up front, but will pay for itself in the long run---especially with rising energy prices.

BWillie
02-20-2007, 09:21 PM
All you need is a living room floor. A brown paper bag, some dog shit, gasoline. You got yourself a furnace.

plbrdude
02-20-2007, 09:26 PM
Comfortmaker? Never even heard of that. Thanks for the suggestion but I think by the time I pay for labor, I can get a much more well known model installed for the same or maybe even less.




Comfortmaker----ICP product. Carrier, Bryant, Heil, Comfortmaker, maybe 1 or 2 others. Over all not a bad product.

Lzen
02-21-2007, 08:30 AM
The most important thing about a new heater isn't the brand, but the installation. Make sure you have someone who will stand behind the product they install.

If you are planning on staying in your home for a long time, go ahead and splurge on a very high efficiency heater; it will cost more up front, but will pay for itself in the long run---especially with rising energy prices.

I agree. However, it is obvious to me that Goodman made some crappy products. Poorly designed and low quality parts. I went with the Heil 92% efficiency. It was a little more expensive (about $400 more) than the 80%, but I know we'll recoup that expense in 2-3 years. They are installing it on Friday. Thanks everyone for your comments.

Saulbadguy
02-21-2007, 08:32 AM
My family has used SAMCO in the past. Who did you go with?

StcChief
02-21-2007, 08:37 AM
I agree. However, it is obvious to me that Goodman made some crappy products. Poorly designed and low quality parts. I went with the Heil 92% efficiency. It was a little more expensive (about $400 more) than the 80%, but I know we'll recoup that expense in 2-3 years. They are installing it on Friday. Thanks everyone for your comments.

Heil is very good product. Higher efficency will pay back.

It's also a selling feature in the future.

Lzen
02-21-2007, 10:38 AM
Heil is very good product. Higher efficency will pay back.

It's also a selling feature in the future.

An added bonus is that I'll get $150 back on my tax return next year for installing a high efficiency furnace. So, I really look at it like it was $250 more.

Lzen
02-21-2007, 10:40 AM
My family has used SAMCO in the past. Who did you go with?

Samco? Is that a Topeka company? I am going with A-1. Funny thing is that the wife was against having A-1 come out because she thought they would screw us over. I had 8 different bids and they turned out to be the best offer.

Saulbadguy
02-21-2007, 10:46 AM
Samco? Is that a Topeka company? I am going with A-1. Funny thing is that the wife was against having A-1 come out because she thought they would screw us over. I had 8 different bids and they turned out to be the best offer.
Yeah, A-1 is usually the highest. The guy that runs it is a complete asshole, too...but their work is solid.

SAMCO is a Topeka company.

ChiefaRoo
02-21-2007, 01:25 PM
Don't buy a Goodman. I have a two, two year old Goodman units and they have these little plastic water vapor collector thingies that have leaked. I got them fixed for free but it was really irritating to have a puddle of water on my floor.

Inspector
02-21-2007, 01:37 PM
From what I've been reading, Trane and Rheem seem to be the consensus most reliable.

Inspector, does your uncle know what HTL quality is like? Also, I was told that Goodman bought Amana and now they're trying to rebuild their reputation. The contractor that told me that information also said that Goodman was using the same parts in thier new furnace as in the Amana except the heat exchanger is different. But they will give a lifetime warranty on the heat exchanger. Would your uncle know if any of this is true?

BTW, I don't live in KC. I'm in Topeka.

I'm trying to get in touch with him for a possible job with gblowfish. I'll ask hiom about it.

Lzen
02-25-2007, 04:31 PM
I'm trying to get in touch with him for a possible job with gblowfish. I'll ask hiom about it.

BTW, I was confused on the brand. It was not HTL, it was Heil. They seem to be good quality. I went with this one. I got a 92% efficiency Heil for $1825 (included cleaning A coil and all installation).

plbrdude
02-25-2007, 05:49 PM
BTW, I was confused on the brand. It was not HTL, it was Heil. They seem to be good quality. I went with this one. I got a 92% efficiency Heil for $1825 (included cleaning A coil and all installation).



heil is a good product. i've been impressed w/ the ones i've installed. the parent company puts out carrier, bryant, heil, and comfortmaker.you got a pretty good deal too at that price.