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acesn8s
02-26-2007, 01:01 PM
With 2 weeks to go who do you think will be the top four seeds in each group?
Here are my picks:

San Jose

1.UCLA (#1 overall)
2.Kansas
3.Nevada
4.Air Force

East Rutherford

1.Ohio St.
2.Florida
3.Georgetown
4.Duke

St. Louis

1.Wisconsin
2.Memphis
3.Southern Illinois
4.Texas

San Antonio

1.North Carolina
2.Texas A&M
3.Pittsburgh
4.Washington St.

Who will be in the Final Four?
Here is mine:

San Jose: UCLA
East Rutherford: Ohio St.
St. Louis: Wisconsin
San Antonio: Texas A&M

Vegas_Dave
02-26-2007, 01:02 PM
Watch out for UNLV...

StcChief
02-26-2007, 01:04 PM
Watch out for the DAWGS of SIU

noa
02-26-2007, 01:05 PM
You have three number one seeds making it to the final four? Its possible, but there's usually more upsets than that.

Ari Chi3fs
02-26-2007, 01:06 PM
i hope KU is the number #2 seed in UNC's bracket.

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 01:07 PM
Watch out for the DAWGS of SIUI agree. They should go deep into the tourney.

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 01:08 PM
You have three number one seeds making it to the final four? Its possible, but there's usually more upsets than that.It came down to Wis/So. Ill. I thought Wis. would be better given the situation.

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 01:11 PM
i hope KU is the number #2 seed in UNC's bracket.I think they will get one of the Texas schools in SA and with A&M being better they will get it IMO. NC is the worst of the 1 seeds so they will travel more than the others.

BigRedChief
02-26-2007, 01:16 PM
Kansas may beat out NC or Wisconsin for the #1 seed if one of those teams lose another game and Kansas wins out.

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 01:22 PM
Kansas may beat out NC or Wisconsin for the #1 seed if one of those teams lose another game and Kansas wins out.Texas A&M has a better RPI and SOS than KU and a head to head victory. It would be hard to argue for KU over A&M.

sedated
02-26-2007, 01:24 PM
Wisconsin probably won't get a 1 after losing 2 straight this late. especially the STL bracket

sedated
02-26-2007, 01:26 PM
Texas A&M has a better RPI and SOS than KU and a head to head victory. It would be hard to argue for KU over A&M.

RPI is a joke. Kentucky is 7th (or was yesterday)

KU was beating the piss outta A&M until 3 minutes left.

but it's true, they will take A&M for the 1. I could see A&M as the 1 and KU as the 2 in the same bracket (weakest 1, strongest 2)

it's too bad the selection committee won't get to see KU's revenge before they pick the seeds.

BigRedChief
02-26-2007, 01:27 PM
Texas A&M has a better RPI and SOS than KU and a head to head victory. It would be hard to argue for KU over A&M.
I was assuming that KU beats A&M in the Big 12 championship

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 01:29 PM
RPI is a joke. Kentucky is 7th (or was yesterday)

KU was beating the piss outta A&M until 3 minutes left.

but it's true, they will take A&M for the 1. I could see A&M as the 1 and KU as the 2 in the same bracket (weakest 1, strongest 2)

it's too bad the selection committee won't get to see KU's revenge before they pick the seeds.The committee will not put two strong teams from the same conference in the same bracket. For a conference to have two teams in the same bracket they will start with the 5th stongest team to be placed in the 4th strongest's bracket then 6th with 3rd, etc.

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 01:38 PM
Wisconsin probably won't get a 1 after losing 2 straight this late. especially the STL bracketThe selection committee will overlook the 2nd loss because of the ranking of the team that they played and where it was played and the close score. although the Mich st. game does hurt thier chances.

CoMoChief
02-26-2007, 01:45 PM
i hope KU is the number #2 seed in UNC's bracket.


I don't. Of course if Roy wants to run, Self better ****ing run with him.

htismaqe
02-26-2007, 01:47 PM
I don't. Of course if Roy wants to run, Self better ****ing run with him.

So you're saying you want Self to let Roy dictate the pace of the game and play Roy's style?

ROFL

sedated
02-26-2007, 01:49 PM
The selection committee will overlook the 2nd loss because of the ranking of the team that they played and where it was played and the close score. although the Mich st. game does hurt thier chances.

bull f*cking sh!t

the committee doesn't overlook any loss, especially a late-season loss to your biggest conference rival and competition for the #1 seed.

so, by that logic, the committee will overlook KU's loss to A&M and give them both #1s?

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 01:54 PM
bull f*cking sh!t

the committee doesn't overlook any loss, especially a late-season loss to your biggest conference rival and competition for the #1 seed.

so, by that logic, the committee will overlook KU's loss to A&M and give them both #1s?No they will give them both # 2 because of the weak RPI and even weaker SOS

sedated
02-26-2007, 01:55 PM
The committee will not put two strong teams from the same conference in the same bracket. For a conference to have two teams in the same bracket they will start with the 5th stongest team to be placed in the 4th strongest's bracket then 6th with 3rd, etc.

they probably wouldn't do it this year, since the top 8 teams are so even. they have enough great teams to avoid the situation.


but if A&M and KU were dead even for the 4th #1, based on the head-to-head win for A&M, they would get the 1.

Then KU would be the #1 #2, and go to the weakest #1 bracket.

I would think they would overlook being in the same conference when it comes to #1/#2 seeds. :shrug:

sedated
02-26-2007, 01:56 PM
No they will give them both # 2 because of the weak RPI and even weaker SOS

you managed to totally avoid the point I was making

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 01:58 PM
Souther Illinois will be pushed down the bracket only because they play in the MVC. They have 1 loss more than A&M and KU but a better RPI & SOS.

Buck
02-26-2007, 02:09 PM
Watch out for UNLV...

Watch out for SDSU...

hey Im coming out to Vegas from March 6-10th to watch the MWC tourney, you gonna be there?

HolmeZz
02-26-2007, 02:12 PM
Texas is too high. They don't even have a win over a team that I think is in the tournament right now.

Mr. Laz
02-26-2007, 02:14 PM
wouldn't KU be the first #2 seed?

they would go in bracket with the lowest #1 then ... correct?

Mr. Laz
02-26-2007, 02:17 PM
i hope KU is the number #2 seed in UNC's bracket.
how sweet would it be for KU to knock UNC out to make the final 4.

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acesn8s
02-26-2007, 02:17 PM
you managed to totally avoid the point I was makingFlorida, Wisconsin,Texas A&M, Southern Illinois, Pittsburgh, and Duke all have a better RPI and SOS than KU however they are all ranked below KU in the polls (some for good and obvious resons). When you look at this group for the last #1 seed KU gets the knod over Florida but A&M over KU. Southern Illinois will be hurt by the conference that they play in, although the committee may have an eye on that conference for what they did in the tourney last year. Duke has too many loses.
Now that the field is narrowed to Wisconsin, A&M and Pitt. IMO wisconsin is the better team to be a #1.

sedated
02-26-2007, 02:22 PM
a better RPI and SOS

the weak RPI and even weaker SOS

a better RPI & SOS.

you did no there's more to this than just RPI & SOS, right?

Let's take a look at your precious RPI rankings:
1 UCLA
2 Ohio State
3 North Carolina
4 Wisconsin
5 Pittsburgh
6 Southern Illinois
7 Florida
8 Memphis
9 Texas A&M
10 Duke
11 Kentucky
12 UNLV
13 Kansas
14 Arizona
15 Georgetown
16 Virginia Tech
17 Maryland
18 Air Force
19 Tennessee
20 Nevada
20 Michigan State
20 Brigham Young
23 Villanova
24 Indiana
25 Washington State
26 Boston College
27 Oregon
28 Marquette
29 Illinois
30 Xavier

wtf is Butler?

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 02:22 PM
Texas is too high. They don't even have a win over a team that I think is in the tournament right now.You may be right. Texas has Texas A&M and KU this week. However, the NCAA likes to promote thier star players(Durant). You might see Butler in that spot.

HolmeZz
02-26-2007, 02:23 PM
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HolmeZz
02-26-2007, 02:24 PM
I think Butler is head and shoulders above Air Force right now. Maybe on the level of Nevada and SIU.

sedated
02-26-2007, 02:24 PM
Southern Illinois will be hurt by the conference that they play in

but, by your brilliant RPI-only logic, the MVC is better than the Big 12 because of a better RPI, so this would be the opposite

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 02:24 PM
you did no there's more to this than just RPI & SOS, right?

Let's take a look at your precious RPI rankings:
1 UCLA
2 Ohio State
3 North Carolina
4 Wisconsin
5 Pittsburgh
6 Southern Illinois
7 Florida
8 Memphis
9 Texas A&M
10 Duke
11 Kentucky
12 UNLV
13 Kansas
14 Arizona
15 Georgetown
16 Virginia Tech
17 Maryland
18 Air Force
19 Tennessee
20 Nevada
20 Michigan State
20 Brigham Young
23 Villanova
24 Indiana
25 Washington State
26 Boston College
27 Oregon
28 Marquette
29 Illinois
30 Xavier
Here's my research:
http://kenpom.com/rpi.php?y=2007

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 02:34 PM
I think Butler is head and shoulders above Air Force right now. Maybe on the level of Nevada and SIU.I will admit Air force was a stretch. 4 seeds are not easy as the others. Washington St., Texas, Duke, Notre Dame, Butler, Oregon, Louisville, Air Force, MarquetteVa. Tech and Vandy all have a good argument for those seedings but this where the committee starts to do wierd stuff each year.

sedated
02-26-2007, 02:36 PM
Washington St., Texas, Duke, Notre Dame, Butler, Oregon, Louisville, Air Force, MarquetteVa. Tech and Vandy all have a good argument for those seedings

Duke #10 in RPI
Texas, Butler, ND, Louisville - unranked

Pitt Gorilla
02-26-2007, 02:39 PM
Souther Illinois will be pushed down the bracket only because they play in the MVC. They have 1 loss more than A&M and KU but a better RPI & SOS.Southern Illinois doesn't impress me, and I'm a Valley fan. Northern Iowa beat them once pretty easily (at home) and lost a nail-biter in Carbondale. Northern Iowa isn't an NCAA tourney team this year, either.

Buck
02-26-2007, 02:39 PM
Air Force is WAYYYYYYYYYYY overrated.

ChiefsCountry
02-26-2007, 02:42 PM
Southern Illinois doesn't impress me, and I'm a Valley fan. Northern Iowa beat them once pretty easily (at home) and lost a nail-biter in Carbondale. Northern Iowa isn't an NCAA tourney team this year, either.

I agree. MSU could beat the Ugly Dawgs but dumbass Hinson wanted to play their style instead of the Bears style.

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 02:42 PM
Duke #10 in RPI
Texas, Butler, ND, Louisville - unranked Post your top four seeds for the four brackets and lets see how smart you are.

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 02:50 PM
Southern Illinois doesn't impress me, and I'm a Valley fan. Northern Iowa beat them once pretty easily (at home) and lost a nail-biter in Carbondale. Northern Iowa isn't an NCAA tourney team this year, either.Alot of teams have loses to teams that may not make the tourney. SIU out of conference record is 9-2 and is 7-2 vs. teams in the top 50 RPI. I think the loses that they took will keep them from getting a better seed.

HolmeZz
02-26-2007, 02:56 PM
Duke isn't a top 4 seed either. Virginia Tech should probably be seeded ahead of them at this point as well. They won at Cameron Indoor and they've beaten UNC twice.

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 03:00 PM
Duke isn't a top 4 seed either. Virginia Tech should probably be seeded ahead of them at this point as well. They won at Cameron Indoor and they've beaten UNC twice.Duke has #9 RPI and a #3 SOS. Some love will be thrown Dukes way for that.

sedated
02-26-2007, 03:39 PM
Duke has #9 RPI and a #3 SOS. Some love will be thrown Dukes way for that.

f*ck the RPI

duke and kentucky suck

|Zach|
02-26-2007, 03:41 PM
You are making too big a deal when it comes to RPI

Sincerely, Missouri State Men's Basketball Team 2005-2006

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 03:49 PM
You are making too big a deal when it comes to RPI

Sincerely, Missouri State Men's Basketball Team 2005-2006Quite frankly I thought they deserved to go to the tourney last year.

epitome1170
02-26-2007, 04:36 PM
Duke isn't a top 4 seed either. Virginia Tech should probably be seeded ahead of them at this point as well. They won at Cameron Indoor and they've beaten UNC twice.

That's all nice and everything until you look at V-Tech's losses:

W Michigan
George Washington
Marshall

*All three of the above close games and early in the season so not damaging, but still bad. *

Florida St by 9
NC State by 11
Boston College by 21!
NC State by 25!

Those last two losses blow any chance for a decent seeding.

Now look at Duke, granted they are having a down year, but as a whole they should be a 4 or 5 seed. If they do well in ACC tournament and finish out against Maryland and NC, I think an argument could be made for them to be anywhere from a 2 (bottom 2) to a 4 seed. That also depends on what the top seeds do in their last few games.

|Zach|
02-26-2007, 04:43 PM
Quite frankly I thought they deserved to go to the tourney last year.
Oh I agree, I am just saying that shows that you are holding RPI a little to highly.

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 04:48 PM
Oh I agree, I am just saying that shows that you are holding RPI a little to highly.That is why I only did the top four seeds. After that the committee gets real stupid with some teams.

NJ Chief Fan
02-26-2007, 05:31 PM
Wow! That East Rutherford bracket you made up is by far the hardest.

DaKCMan AP
02-26-2007, 05:46 PM
I don't know about top 4 in each group, but my #1 seeds are as follows:

East Rutherford - Ohio St.
St. Louis - Kansas
San Jose - UCLA
San Antonio - Florida

acesn8s
02-26-2007, 05:47 PM
Wow! That East Rutherford bracket you made up is by far the hardest.I had to pick the best of the East coast teams to play there. The other sites are all west of the Mississippi River. The NCAA likes the best teams to stay close to home.

HolmeZz
02-26-2007, 06:23 PM
Those last two losses blow any chance for a decent seeding.

They've got enough good wins and are currently tied for the lead in the ACC Standings. They're in good shape at the moment.

Now look at Duke, granted they are having a down year, but as a whole they should be a 4 or 5 seed. If they do well in ACC tournament and finish out against Maryland and NC, I think an argument could be made for them to be anywhere from a 2 (bottom 2) to a 4 seed. That also depends on what the top seeds do in their last few games.

A 4 seed will be the best Duke could do. They'll lose once more in the regular season and then again in the ACC tournament. A low 5/high 6 seed is most likely.