Ex-ACLU President Charged In Child Porn Case

[Kraut]

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20070223-104642-1644r.htm

What gets me about this story, other then he is sick, is that you can barely find this story on any of the tv news outlets. If this was somebody from the right this story would be all over the place.

[chagrin]

No doubt - as usual, I await the freaks to justify this somehow. Let me guess, his parents didn't love him enough when he was a child? I suppose if a Catholic priest touching a kid makes all religion, and God nonexistent or totally fake, then this must mean that all lefties and ACLU people are totally fake too, right? Am I right, I mean, am I right?

[Mr. Kotter]

ACLU....and child porn freak?

What's there to be surprised about? :shrug:

[Amnorix]

Ok, first he's the ex-President of the ACLU of Virginia, NOT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. So nice job of exaggeration there.

Second, he's not exactly a nationally known figure, so it's not like Rush Limbaugh or Dobson or something.

Third, what percentage of Americans, do you think, know what the ACLU even is? Sure, we here know alot about it, etc., but it's not like 90% of the country even knows what the ACLU is.

[Ultra Peanut]

"... the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia, or NAMBLA."

http://imgred.com/http://www.icommag.com/november-2002/images/november-jon-stewart.jpg

[Kraut]

Ok, first he's the ex-President of the ACLU of Virginia, NOT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. So nice job of exaggeration there.

Second, he's not exactly a nationally known figure, so it's not like Rush Limbaugh or Dobson or something.

Third, what percentage of Americans, do you think, know what the ACLU even is? Sure, we here know alot about it, etc., but it's not like 90% of the country even knows what the ACLU is.
So he is to get a free pass in the media? I didn't know who the hell that preacher was a few months back who was all over the news. But there he was on tv being shoved down our throats.

[Ultra Peanut]

So he is to get a free pass in the media?Do you see national news stories about John Ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ford_%28politician%29) and the other state senators busted in Operation Tennessee Waltz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tennessee_Waltz)? Did you even hear about Operation Tennessee Waltz?

I didn't know who the hell that preacher was a few months back who was all over the news. But there he was on tv being shoved down our throats.Ted Haggard was a very well-known leader of the American evangelical movement before his scandal. That's what made it a big deal.

[Ultra Peanut]

Ok, first he's the ex-President of the ACLU of Virginia, NOT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. So nice job of exaggeration there.To be fair to Kraut, that's the Washington Times' exaggeration. They're so objective, usually.

Third, what percentage of Americans, do you think, know what the ACLU even is? Sure, we here know alot about it, etc., but it's not like 90% of the country even knows what the ACLU is.clearly they are a group designed to destroy everything good about America because they hate America oh and also they are devil worshippers

[Kraut]

Do you see national news stories about John Ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ford_%28politician%29) and the other state senators busted in Operation Tennessee Waltz?

Ted Haggard was a very well-known leader of the American evangelical movement before his scandal. That's what made it a big deal.
My comment was to the media bias in this country. So I take it you don't feel there is a left leaning bias in the mainstream media.

[Ultra Peanut]

My comment was to the media bias in this country. And my comment was that this isn't an example of anything other than a certain media source trying to paint this as a national scandal when it's not something of that scale, in terms of national interest.

Again, the corruption of several state senators, on both sides of the aisle, was revealed a couple of years ago. Did CNN and Fox News run stories on that for days on end, or did they "give them a free pass" instead?

[Amnorix]

My comment was to the media bias in this country. So I take it you don't feel there is a left leaning bias in the mainstream media.

What is mainstream media anymore? Faux News leans left?

Thsi isn't 1970, where 90% of people get their news from Walter Cronkite and 2 other old white guys doing the evening news. You don't think Whitewater and BlowJobGate got enough coverage?

The right does just fine getting its message out to anyone interested in hearing it. They dominate radio and more than hold their own on the internet, at the very least.

[Kraut]

And my comment was that this isn't an example of anything other than a certain media source trying to paint this as a national scandal when it's not something of that scale.

Several state senators, on both sides of the aisle, were found to be corrupt. Did CNN and Fox News run stories on that for days on end, or did they "give them a free pass" instead?
This Tierney guy was one of the ACLU members in the public library case that did make national news. IMO he is more important then you feel he is. I'm not going to change your mind just as your not going to change my mind. So we will just have to disagree on this one. I hope on thing we can agree on is how this guy is a scumbag.

[Kraut]

What is mainstream media anymore? Faux News leans left?

Thsi isn't 1970, where 90% of people get their news from Walter Cronkite and 2 other old white guys doing the evening news. You don't think Whitewater and BlowJobGate got enough coverage?

The right does just fine getting its message out to anyone interested in hearing it. They dominate radio and more than hold their own on the internet, at the very least.
Fox isn't as right as most think, at least for my tastes. But you have to admit that the other cable news outlets are for the most part are liberal. All the networks are except for I guess Fox. Most major newspapers as well as news magazines are also for the most part liberal. That is where I draw my conclusions. I guess I could be wrong.

[stevieray]

Fox isn't as right as most think, at least for my tastes. But you have to admit that the other cable news outlets are for the most part are liberal. All the networks are except for I guess Fox. Most major newspapers as well as news magazines are also for the most part liberal. That is where I draw my conclusions. I guess I could be wrong.

you aren't wrong.

[jAZ]

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20070223-104642-1644r.htm

What gets me about this story, other then he is sick, is that you can barely find this story on any of the tv news outlets. If this was somebody from the right this story would be all over the place.
FYI, this guy is a former President of a state chapter. He's one of (I assume) 50 to several hundred "(Ex-)ACLU President(s)" throughout the country.

It's certainly a very big local story, but unless you have an anti-ACLU agenda, it's hardly worthy of news cycles on a national scale.

[NewPhin]

Good lord. How lame that people are trying to make this a partisan issue indicative of a liberal bias in the MSM. Michael Fortino, who is a well-known motivational speaker who has been on a ton of talk shows and interviewed Colin Powell, George Bush, and General Normal Schwartzkoff (sp?) was busted on child porn charges down here. I bet most of you haven't heard about it. Conspiracy?????

[Kraut]

FYI, this guy is a former President of a state chapter. He's one of (I assume) 50 to several hundred "(Ex-)ACLU President(s)" throughout the country.

It's certainly a very big local story, but unless you have an anti-ACLU agenda, it's hardly worthy of news cycles on a national scale.
I understand the local aspect of this story. But I feel due to the fact that he was one of the members involved in the public library case that went up the Federal lader that he should be looked at on a nationwide level.

[jAZ]

I understand the local aspect of this story. But I feel due to the fact that he was one of the members involved in the public library case that went up the Federal lader that he should be looked at on a nationwide level.
I think you'd have to be pushing pretty hard to shame the ACLU to see that as a national story. FYI, in googling, I saw that library angle covered from a local level.

[Kraut]

I think you'd have to be pushing pretty hard to shame the ACLU to see that as a national story. FYI, in googling, I saw that library angle covered from a local level.
Well i knew about it before this story was put out. hey like i said before, we are not going to change each other's minds.

[noa]

Wow, the guy got caught because he subscribed to several child porn sites. Who the hell is dumb enough to subscribe to one, let alone multiple sites? Seems to me once you're a subscriber, its only a matter of time until the feds come knocking on your door. What a dumbass and sicko.

[Kraut]

Wow, the guy got caught because he subscribed to several child porn sites. Who the hell is dumb enough to subscribe to one, let alone multiple sites? Seems to me once you're a subscriber, its only a matter of time until the feds come knocking on your door. What a dumbass and sicko.
I think we can all agree on that.

[chagrin]

I think you'd have to be pushing pretty hard to shame the ACLU to see that as a national story. FYI, in googling, I saw that library angle covered from a local level.


I don't know JAz, again your logic escapes me; what was your reaction to the Catholic Priest dudes touching boys? That was only what 1 out of 5000 to 10,000 Priests Nationwide (breaking the total number down (and don't even start to speculate on unreported cases because the same can be said here), so how does your crack about ratios fit in again?

Yes I am seriously looking for an answer on that.

Of course this is a national issue dude, if it were a reporter from the National Review you'd be all over this.

[Ultra Peanut]

That was not an issue of one priest in particular touching kids; the widespread nature of the abuse was the story.

[chagrin]

That was not an issue of one priest in particular touching kids; the widespread nature of the abuse was the story.


U.P. You seem to have real beliefs about offenses, and the condition of hypocrisy in our nation yes?

Are you sitting there with a straight face, telling me that after the first Priest was busted, you didn't automatically think it was a problem, not worthy of national coverage? Furthermore, are you sitting there with a straight face telling me that you wouldn't be all over ANY single religious or political figure who happened to be Righty or Repub, who was busted for the same thing?

I just don't believe that.

[Cochise]

U.P. You seem to have real beliefs about offenses, and the condition of hypocrisy in our nation yes?

Are you sitting there with a straight face, telling me that after the first Priest was busted, you didn't automatically think it was a problem, not worthy of national coverage? Furthermore, are you sitting there with a straight face telling me that you wouldn't be all over ANY single religious or political figure who happened to be Righty or Repub, who was busted for the same thing?

I just don't believe that.

Agreed...

(insert 'smells like BS' graphic)

[Ultra Peanut]

U.P. You seem to have real beliefs about offenses, and the condition of hypocrisy in our nation yes?I do?

I don't even know what the **** you're trying to say, honestly.

[Pitt Gorilla]

U.P. You seem to have real beliefs about offenses, and the condition of hypocrisy in our nation yes?

Are you sitting there with a straight face, telling me that after the first Priest was busted, you didn't automatically think it was a problem, not worthy of national coverage? Furthermore, are you sitting there with a straight face telling me that you wouldn't be all over ANY single religious or political figure who happened to be Righty or Repub, who was busted for the same thing?

I just don't believe that.I don't understand. This should be a story because he works for the ACLU? This seems like apples and oranges. With the priests, there were many cases of abuse by persons in that group (priests). In this case, there is one person from the group.

Heck, this guy might be a former Holiday Inn clerk. Should that angle be pressed as well?

[Amnorix]

I don't know JAz, again your logic escapes me; what was your reaction to the Catholic Priest dudes touching boys? That was only what 1 out of 5000 to 10,000 Priests Nationwide (breaking the total number down (and don't even start to speculate on unreported cases because the same can be said here), so how does your crack about ratios fit in again?

Yes I am seriously looking for an answer on that.

Of course this is a national issue dude, if it were a reporter from the National Review you'd be all over this.

Priests, unlike any ACLU state chapter president, occupy unique roles in our society, roles involving (or formerly involving, at least) automatic trust and respect.

The priest thing is fairly similar to the whole teacher boinks student thing that also tends to become a national story EVERY time it happens. The betrayal of trust of an entire community is involved.

Remind me again why this ACLU guy was so important? Oh, right, he wasn't. You just want to have it make headlines because you dislike the ACLU.

If the President of a local chapter of the NRA committed this exact same offense, I doubt it would get any more coverage than this has.

[Amnorix]

U.P. You seem to have real beliefs about offenses, and the condition of hypocrisy in our nation yes?

Are you sitting there with a straight face, telling me that after the first Priest was busted, you didn't automatically think it was a problem, not worthy of national coverage? Furthermore, are you sitting there with a straight face telling me that you wouldn't be all over ANY single religious or political figure who happened to be Righty or Repub, who was busted for the same thing?

I just don't believe that.


I'll also point out the very, very slight difference that whereas this ACLU putz had downloaded illegal porn, the defrocked priest (and I assume you're referring to Geoghan) had ACTUALLY FONDLED LOTS AND LOTS OF LITTLE KIDS.

Now you may recall that Geoghan had the distinctly well-earned pleasure of having another inmate stick a shiv in his back. If this ACLU fool doesn't get knifed in the pen, will you claim that that, too, is due to media bias, or will you be willing to accept the reality that one crime is ever-so-slightly more heinous than the other?

[jAZ]

I don't know JAz, again your logic escapes me; what was your reaction to the Catholic Priest dudes touching boys? That was only what 1 out of 5000 to 10,000 Priests Nationwide (breaking the total number down (and don't even start to speculate on unreported cases because the same can be said here), so how does your crack about ratios fit in again?
With logic like this, I see how mine might escape you. Just don't blame me.

At this moment, this ACLU story is 1 person in 1 state. The Caltholic story was as many as 4000+ priests (according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases)) in the US alone with similar scandals worldwide.

The first reported abuse in the Priest scandal would rightly be a local story. Once it's shown to be systematic abuse with instances in multilple states across the country, the story would become national.

[Amnorix]

One more thing to note -- the Priest angle had another very interesting twist to it -- the signs of a massive coverup, lasting over multiple decades, by the largest and oldest branch of christianity, the Catholic Church, with implications going up to a senior Cardinal that was held in wide regard by the Vatican.

Or did this, also, not have anything to do with the widespread coverage that these events received?

Seriously -- the comparison is so absurd it's unreal.

[jAZ]

Are you sitting there with a straight face, telling me that after the first Priest was busted, you didn't automatically think it was a problem, not worthy of national coverage?
First of all, the start of the Catholic Priest scandal wasn't the first day you heard about it. It's been rumored to have been going on since the 60s or 70s if not longer. And furthermore, the national media explosion on that story occured, not because of the reported indictment of a single incident, but because the Church itself had systematically been COVERING UP the abuse and MOVING THE OFFENDING PRIESTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY as "punishment". It quite literally started as a national story because it was covered up internally for so long that it was a national (and international) epidemic before the story broke in the media.

For the purposes of making your point here, the comparison between the two scandals is laughable. You HAVE to have a better analogy that this, even if your underlying point is flawed. This example is just a joke.
Furthermore, are you sitting there with a straight face telling me that you wouldn't be all over ANY single religious or political figure who happened to be Righty or Repub, who was busted for the same thing?
According to your logic, all of these should be national stories. I'm sure it's just that damn liberal media bias keeping them down... err. Well, whatever...

Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9. Full Article

Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. Source Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. Denver ABC Article

Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Booth Bay Register Article

Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Source: Washington Blade

Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. Source

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. Editor and Publisher article. In August 06, Beres confessed. The Portland Mercury

Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. Sacramento Bee article

Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. Source

John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran. Source: Pensacola News Journal

John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.Honolulu Star-Bulletin Article

Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet. Source: Newmax

Carey Lee Cramer Political consultant and anti-Kerry ad producer, tried for molesting two young girls, one of whom lived with him, and was 8 yrs old; the other starred in an anti-Kerry commercial. Diary Diary. The Monitor.

There's a lot more where these came from. And to be clear, they should not have been national stories... even though most all of them held leadership roles within the Republican Party.

[Amnorix]

Game, set, match -- Jaz.

[Duck Dog]

Mr. Rust-Tierney's wife, Diann Rust-Tierney, is executive director of the D.C.-based National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty.

The whole family is full of nut cases. :shake:

[RJ]

So he is to get a free pass in the media? I didn't know who the hell that preacher was a few months back who was all over the news. But there he was on tv being shoved down our throats.



Hmmmm, a story involving a preacher who was the leader of the nation's largest evangelical group with ties to the White House, a gay prostitute and illegal drugs. Wonder why that story would be on tv so often? Oh wait, I know....the same reason as the Anna Nicole Smith story and the crazy astronaut story.....because, right or wrong, the media people figure we're going to watch.

[Ultra Peanut]

The whole family is full of nut cases. :shake:Yeah... being opposed to killing people is a sure-fire sign of THE KRAZZZY.

(Jesus was ****in' nuts.)

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. Editor and Publisher article. In August 06, Beres confessed. The Portland MercuryWow, the CHAIRMAN OF THE CHRISTIAN COALITION of Oregon is a child molester!

Damn conservative media.