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Cochise
03-01-2007, 11:27 AM
810 reporting that the Chiefs and Dolphins are in talks regarding Green, and that a proposed trade package could also send Kendrell Bell to Miami.

I can't listen anymore though, so someone else will have to update.

Also, Greinke interview coming up.

Woodrow Call
03-01-2007, 11:28 AM
Get it done Carl. Getting rid of Bell would be an added bonus.

DMAC
03-01-2007, 11:30 AM
I don't care what we get...we will get the better end of that deal.

Unless it is for Vonnie Holliday.

dirk digler
03-01-2007, 11:30 AM
That is good news and bad news. I really like Trent and I hate to see him leave like this. But if Bell goes that is awesome!!

JBucc
03-01-2007, 11:32 AM
Getting something for Green would be swell, getting rid of Kendrell would be icing on the cake.

Rooster
03-01-2007, 11:32 AM
Hell they can have Bell. :)

I think in this case Bell would be considered the 'sweetener' however he is far from sweet.

Extra Point
03-01-2007, 11:33 AM
I just hope if we trade Green away, he goes to a place where he's wanted. Can you think of a better place to sell gutter guards, than Miami?

nychief
03-01-2007, 11:33 AM
picks picks picks!

Chiefs Pantalones
03-01-2007, 11:33 AM
I want something in return though.

eazyb81
03-01-2007, 11:34 AM
OMG, get rid of Green AND Bell?!? That is almost too good to be true.

Next you're going to tell me Hall is being included in the deal.

alpha_omega
03-01-2007, 11:34 AM
Does Miami have anyone we would be interested in? Or are they talking draft picks?

I wonder.....

Chiefs Pantalones
03-01-2007, 11:34 AM
Chances are Carl will panic and get screwed in the deal.

eazyb81
03-01-2007, 11:34 AM
Does Miami have anyone we would be interested in? Or are they talking draft picks?

I wonder.....

Hopefully just picks - it is time to finally rebuild.

the Talking Can
03-01-2007, 11:35 AM
Getting something for Green would be swell, getting rid of Kendrell would be icing on the cake.

AMEN

any picks we got would be sweet...for once we're not giving them away

I'd throw Bell in for free

Cochise
03-01-2007, 11:36 AM
I don't really understand why Miami would do this.

They take a bunch of salary, and in return they get to give us draft picks?

Direckshun
03-01-2007, 11:36 AM
HAHAHA

GO CARL GO :D

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 11:37 AM
countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...

dirk digler
03-01-2007, 11:37 AM
I can't imagine them getting anything more than a 3rd or 4th round draft choice for Trent.

morphius
03-01-2007, 11:39 AM
countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...
Have you ever seen Huard in preseason? He has looked terrible in every single one of them. I'm expecting a full implosion here during the preseason.

crazycoffey
03-01-2007, 11:40 AM
I can't imagine them getting anything more than a 3rd or 4th round draft choice for Trent.

what about a second or third for both green and bell?

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 11:41 AM
I don't really understand why Miami would do this.

They take a bunch of salary, and in return they get to give us draft picks?
they have been desperate for a QB for awhile now.

chagrin
03-01-2007, 11:41 AM
Have you ever seen Huard in preseason? He has looked terrible in every single one of them. I'm expecting a full implosion here during the preseason.


No shit, how do our opponents' D's look thias upcoming season?

dirk digler
03-01-2007, 11:42 AM
what about a second or third for both green and bell?

I wouldn't give a 7th round draft choice for Bell. He is worthless IMHO.

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 11:42 AM
I can't imagine them getting anything more than a 3rd or 4th round draft choice for Trent.
Green has three 4,000 yard season in the last 4 years.

if he's healthy, he's worth more than that.

Woodrow Call
03-01-2007, 11:43 AM
2 things

1. I can't remember the last NFL trade that involved more than one player.

2. Is Miami running some 3-4. I can't figure out why they would want Bell.

eazyb81
03-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Green has three 4,000 yard season in the last 4 years.

if he's healthy, he's worth more than that.

Did you see him play this past season? It's obvious his best days are behind him.

Brock
03-01-2007, 11:43 AM
they have been desperate for a QB for awhile now.

Is Culpepper done or what?

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Is Culpepper done or what?
he looked really crappy last year

eazyb81
03-01-2007, 11:44 AM
Is Culpepper done or what?

No, but some are saying he's not a good fit for what Cameron and Shea want to do.

crazycoffey
03-01-2007, 11:44 AM
I wouldn't give a 7th round draft choice for Bell. He is worthless IMHO.


OK, but I was saying for both together and one pick from Miami.



I still think this is part of a plan to get Green to restructure and then send Huard off to Miami.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-01-2007, 11:44 AM
I think Green would help Culpepper out with learning the offense. I actually don't think Green will start there.

Frosty
03-01-2007, 11:44 AM
Dolphins are supposedly shopping Kevin Carter and Harrington, so maybe they are involved somehow. I would rather have picks.

Brock
03-01-2007, 11:45 AM
I still think this is part of a plan to get Green to restructure and then send Huard off to Miami.

LMAO

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 11:45 AM
Did you see him play this past season? It's obvious his best days are behind him.
you can tell that after only 8 games ........ and after a serious concussion?



is he done? maybe


have we seen enough to know either way? Hell no

ROYC75
03-01-2007, 11:45 AM
countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...


ROFL But damn, it's the truth.

the Talking Can
03-01-2007, 11:45 AM
countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...

personally, I hoping for it...I want a top 5 pick next year

dirk digler
03-01-2007, 11:46 AM
Green has three 4,000 yard season in the last 4 years.

if he's healthy, he's worth more than that.

I can't see it Laz. The Vikes traded Culpepper last year for a 2nd round pick and he is alot younger than Trent.

eazyb81
03-01-2007, 11:47 AM
you can tell that after only 8 games ........ and after a serious concussion?

Yes. Believe it or not, QBs and pro athletes in general lose their effectiveness after 35 years of age. The dude is old and it's amazing he has played as well as he has up to this point.

I think a lot of people are thinking with their heart instead of their head on the Green situation.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-01-2007, 11:48 AM
I hope we start Croyle this year, and keep Huard as the backup.

nychief
03-01-2007, 11:49 AM
I would be happy with a 4th rnd pick. I would very happy for a 3rd.

dirk digler
03-01-2007, 11:49 AM
OK, but I was saying for both together and one pick from Miami.



I still think this is part of a plan to get Green to restructure and then send Huard off to Miami.

I am still sticking to a 3rd or 4th round pick for both.

Honestly I think Trent is done here and that is too bad IMO.

Skip Towne
03-01-2007, 11:50 AM
Does Miami have anyone we would be interested in?
Jason Taylor?

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 11:50 AM
Yes. Believe it or not, QBs and pro athletes in general lose their effectivenss after 35 years of age. The dude is old and it's amazing he has played as well as he has up to this point.

I think a lot of people are thinking with their heart instead of their head on the Green situation.


that's still speculation

athletes normally lose it after 35 ..... but we don't know.


could he be done ... yes, might be.


But we don't know.

nychief
03-01-2007, 11:51 AM
we are rebuilding - if we are going to suck - lets suck with a young core.

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 11:51 AM
I hope we start Croyle this year, and keep Huard as the backup.
then we wasted time not starting Croyle this year

crazycoffey
03-01-2007, 11:51 AM
I am still sticking to a 3rd or 4th round pick for both.

Honestly I think Trent is done here and that is too bad IMO.


we're not too far off, lets compromise and both say we want a 3rd for both.

:p



oh and I agree, it's too bad for green leaving or being done. Liked him alot

eazyb81
03-01-2007, 11:54 AM
that's still speculation

athletes normally lose it after 35 ..... but we don't know.


could he be done ... yes, might be.


But we don't know.

Of course we don't know with 100% certainty, but all the signs point to Green being past his prime. Do you really want to keep him at this point, or do you want to take the better bet and get whatever we can for him before it's too late?

Add in the fact that we should be rebuilding, and IMO it's a no-brainer to deal him.

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 11:54 AM
i'll be disappointed if it's not a 2nd rounder or better.

Brock
03-01-2007, 11:55 AM
You're going to be disappointed.

crazycoffey
03-01-2007, 11:56 AM
then we wasted time not starting Croyle this year



not so, IMO. It wasn't "wasted" time, he got to learn the offense, and see the speed of the game from the side, where he could think about what was going on (instead of just reacting on the field - like he did for the end of the steeler game, I think it was the steeler game)

he needs to step up now, so we can see what we got, while we still have huard (or green)

Cochise
03-01-2007, 11:56 AM
Jason Taylor?

Oh man, how great would that be.

We turn Green and Bell into Jason Taylor, then we can turn Jared Allen into something else.

the Talking Can
03-01-2007, 11:56 AM
i'll be disappointed him it's not a 2nd rounder or better.

no way in hell someone would trade a 2nd for a 37 yr old QB coming off a major head trauma....not a chance

I'd faint if we got a third and be very happy if we get a 4th....

dirk digler
03-01-2007, 11:57 AM
we're not too far off, lets compromise and both say we want a 3rd for both.

:p



oh and I agree, it's too bad for green leaving or being done. Liked him alot

I agree. Let's hope for a 3rd and if we get more than that we should consider ourselves lucky.

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 11:58 AM
Of course we don't know with 100% certainty, but all the signs point to Green being past his prime. Do you really want to keep him at this point, or do you want to take the better bet and get whatever we can for him before it's too late?

Add in the fact that we should be rebuilding, and IMO it's a no-brainer to deal him.
i ok with a trade since it herm seems to like Huard better.

bet lets not just flush the lost of Green as meaningless because i think it's gonna bite us in the butt as some point.

Stinger
03-01-2007, 11:58 AM
i'll be disappointed him it's not a 2nd rounder or better.

Prepare to be disappointed I don't see any way for a 2nd. I think a 3rd is a strech, and this is from a Green supporter.

Woodrow Call
03-01-2007, 11:58 AM
You're going to be disappointed.
Yep. Anything higher than 5th would be shocking.

dirk digler
03-01-2007, 11:58 AM
no way in hell someone would trade a 2nd for a 37 yr old QB coming off a major head trauma....not a chance

I'd faint if we got a third and be very happy if we get a 4th....

Yep

Cochise
03-01-2007, 12:00 PM
A 37 year old QB and a broken down LB who has never recovered from an injury several seasons ago. And a salary dump at that.

We would be making a deal with the devil to get a 3rd.

htismaqe
03-01-2007, 12:03 PM
We'll be lucky to get a 1st-day pick out of Green.

That being said, I'd be happy dumping just his salary.

If you told me we could dump his AND Bell's, AND get some draft picks, I'd puke with joy.

crazycoffey
03-01-2007, 12:04 PM
I agree. Let's hope for a 3rd and if we get more than that we should consider ourselves lucky.


they pick ninth, so if we were to get a second we would probably have to change 2nd round picks with them. So a third it is, what to hope for.

ChiTown
03-01-2007, 12:07 PM
I agree with Htis, a first day pick is unimaginable.

I'd settle for them taking on their salaries and a 2nd day pick. I'd be elated.

htismaqe
03-01-2007, 12:09 PM
they pick ninth, so if we were to get a second we would probably have to change 2nd round picks with them. So a third it is, what to hope for.

Send them Green, Bell, and our 3rd-round pick for a 2nd and a 5th.

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 12:10 PM
I agree with Htis, a first day pick is unimaginable.

I'd settle for them taking on their salaries and a 2nd day pick. I'd be elated.
spoken like a true Kansas city Chiefs fan who has been beaten down so badly that they no longer expect anything good to happen to them.

Pitt Gorilla
03-01-2007, 12:10 PM
A trade would accelerate both Bell's and Green's bonuses to this year, or something.

Tribal Warfare
03-01-2007, 12:11 PM
I can't wait for another 8-8 season :banghead:

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 12:12 PM
A trade would accelerate both Bell's and Green's bonuses to this year, or something.
not anymore

the latest CBA changed that

htismaqe
03-01-2007, 12:12 PM
spoken like a true Kansas city Chiefs fan who has been beaten down so badly that they no longer expect anything good to happen to them.

How did I go from the board's biggest Carl-pologist to a "beaten down" KC fan in the span of a couple of weeks?

I didn't. I have been and still am a REALIST.

ChiTown
03-01-2007, 12:12 PM
spoken like a true Kansas city Chiefs fan who has been beaten down so badly that they no longer expect anything good to happen to them.

Not really, Laz. I'm just realistic about what Miami is REALLY getting with Green and Bell. 2 ineffective players (one that is 37 yrs old) with heavy salary issues. Taking them off our hands is a cap blessing. Getting something in return is like the icing on the cake. jmho

htismaqe
03-01-2007, 12:13 PM
I can't wait for another 8-8 season :banghead:

How were Trent Green and Kendrell Bell going to get us beyond 8-8? Furthermore, getting rid of them now helps 2 and 3 years from now.

Cochise
03-01-2007, 12:14 PM
not anymore

the latest CBA changed that

Shh! That info costs $89.95.

ChiTown
03-01-2007, 12:14 PM
Shh! That info costs $89.95.

:LOL:

Pitt Gorilla
03-01-2007, 12:15 PM
not anymore

the latest CBA changed thatThanks. I did not know that.

crazycoffey
03-01-2007, 12:15 PM
Oh man, how great would that be.

We turn Green and Bell into Jason Taylor, then we can turn Jared Allen into something else.


now that is using your noodle, that would be great.

:p

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 12:16 PM
Shh! That info costs $89.95.
sorry, my bad



"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

Chiefnj
03-01-2007, 12:17 PM
All I can think of is Gun saying Bell is a very good player and if anyone thinks differently they should go to his office and say it to his face. I wonder if Carl bothered to tell Gun, or if Gun will have to read it on the internet, again.

I also predict that the Chiefs trade Allen for a 2nd and 4th rounder.

Tribal Warfare
03-01-2007, 12:17 PM
How were Trent Green and Kendrell Bell going to get us beyond 8-8? Furthermore, getting rid of them now helps 2 and 3 years from now.


And Huard is going to lead us towards the playoffs? This really really sucks

KurtCobain
03-01-2007, 12:17 PM
Just imagine if Green wouldn't of gotten hurt. He'd be sitting on a fourth straight 4k yard season, we more than likely would've gone further into the playoffs, and we'd all be talking about how happy we are he's not retiring. And how happy we are Huard's gone and Croyle's number 2.

htismaqe
03-01-2007, 12:18 PM
Shh! That info costs $89.95.

www.lazpaintillustrated.com

Woodrow Call
03-01-2007, 12:19 PM
I also predict that the Chiefs trade Allen for a 2nd and 4th rounder.

Wouldn't surprise me. Seems like the Chiefs are gutting the team and want/need picks.

I believe NFL Network reported Atlanta is interested. I don't have NFL Network to my info is second hand.

htismaqe
03-01-2007, 12:20 PM
And Huard is going to lead us towards the playoffs? This really really sucks

I never said Huard was going to. But neither was Green.

It's time to build for the future.

crazycoffey
03-01-2007, 12:22 PM
brodie, brodie

dirk digler
03-01-2007, 12:22 PM
It's time to build for the future.

Is Carl ready to do that? He never has before he has always signed veteran guys to plug holes.

siberian khatru
03-01-2007, 12:24 PM
How were Trent Green and Kendrell Bell going to get us beyond 8-8? Furthermore, getting rid of them now helps 2 and 3 years from now.

Bingo. 2007 should be all about clearing the decks of aging vets and worthless crap and high salaries and replacing them with cheaper, younger players. We'll take the cap hit this year and be in better shape roster- and cap-wise in 2008 and beyond.

nychief
03-01-2007, 12:25 PM
We should stockpile picks.

siberian khatru
03-01-2007, 12:26 PM
We should stockpile picks.

Amen.

StcChief
03-01-2007, 12:26 PM
Bingo. 2007 should be all about clearing the decks of aging vets and worthless crap and high salaries and replacing them with cheaper, younger players. We'll take the cap hit this year and be in better shape roster- and cap-wise in 2008 and beyond.

Bit the bullet put in some new players. accept a likely hood of a 5-11/6-10 season.
as long as we are 2-0 against Faiders, 1-1 vs. Donxs

Sully
03-01-2007, 12:30 PM
Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.

ChiefFripp
03-01-2007, 12:30 PM
I don't really understand why Miami would do this.

They take a bunch of salary, and in return they get to give us draft picks?
Maybe they understand that behind even an average o-line, Trent is awesome. if our o-line was even just slightly below average instead of a freeway to the QB, we wouldn't even be considering trading Green. Hopefully we can get rid of useless ass Casey Wiegmann as well.

Woodrow Call
03-01-2007, 12:31 PM
Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.

:cuss:

htismaqe
03-01-2007, 12:32 PM
Is Carl ready to do that? He never has before he has always signed veteran guys to plug holes.

I think Carl has always given his head coach alot of control. I think Marty and Vermeil were both guys that put alot of value on veteran players, to the point of not even considering younger guys. I don't think Herm Edwards, for better or worse, is that kind of coach.

FringeNC
03-01-2007, 12:33 PM
I still don't get how Green can be traded. All he has to do is refuse to restructure, and he'll be cut, and can go to any team he wants.

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 12:33 PM
Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.
petro talking about it right now...

saying that he called down to Miami and a guy he knows says that there IS something to it.

that Miami is interested in Green.

Chiefnj
03-01-2007, 12:34 PM
I don't have a problem with a new coach getting rid of the old coaches players, it still seems odd however that the OC and DC are leftovers.

NewChief
03-01-2007, 12:34 PM
I still don't get how Green can be traded. All he has to do is refuse to restructure, and he'll be cut, and can go to any team he wants.

But they might not cut him until the second cut date which would put him in a bad situation.

crazycoffey
03-01-2007, 12:34 PM
Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.



you mean we were wasting our time talking about chiefs baloney


that's a first......

Chiefs Pantalones
03-01-2007, 12:34 PM
I'm ready for a couple 4-12 seasons.

LET THE CROYLE ERA BEGIN!!

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 12:35 PM
I think Carl has always given his head coach alot of control. I think Marty and Vermeil were both guys that put alot of value on veteran players, to the point of not even considering younger guys. I don't think Herm Edwards, for better or worse, is that kind of coach.
apparently


imo Peterson does that so he doesn't have to take responsibility for all the mistakes.

bringbackmarty
03-01-2007, 12:35 PM
i Think a swap up for a third is possible, probably not a second. Probably be Bell, Green and our third for their
third and fifth.

KurtCobain
03-01-2007, 12:35 PM
I'm ready for a couple 4-12 seasons.

LET THE CROYLE ERA BEGIN!!

I agree with you now...but when it happens I'll cry.

NewChief
03-01-2007, 12:36 PM
I always wonder how much the rumors of interest are just assumptions based on connections between players and coaches and how much they're a result of actual people involved saying something to someone.

Wile_E_Coyote
03-01-2007, 12:36 PM
they making shit up again at 810?

Cochise
03-01-2007, 12:38 PM
petro talking about it right now...

saying that he called down to Miami and a guy he knows says that there IS something to it.

that Miami is interested in Green.

Petro was the one who said it. I had to get out of the car though, so I didn't hear much after. I did not think it was a joke at all.

Frankie
03-01-2007, 12:48 PM
countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...
ROFL So true! :clap:

Frankie
03-01-2007, 12:51 PM
Dolphins are supposedly shopping Kevin Carter and Harrington, so maybe they are involved somehow. I would rather have picks.
The Chiefs were very high on Harrington when he was drafted. So i bet he is part of the deal.

Frankie
03-01-2007, 12:52 PM
I hope we start Croyle this year, and keep Huard as the backup.
If he shows up to camp with 15 lbs of additional muscle, I'll also be on that bandwagon.

Frankie
03-01-2007, 12:54 PM
Jason Taylor?
I ALWAYS wanted him for the Chiefs. But isn't he also getting a bit long on the tooth?

58-4ever
03-01-2007, 12:54 PM
The Chiefs were very high on Harrington when he was drafted. So i bet he is part of the deal.

They cut Harrington...didn't they?

Frankie
03-01-2007, 12:56 PM
Prepare to be disappointed I don't see any way for a 2nd. I think a 3rd is a strech, and this is from a Green supporter.
This Green supporter agrees with you.

Brock
03-01-2007, 12:57 PM
They cut Harrington...didn't they?

yes

sedated
03-01-2007, 12:59 PM
get back the 2nd we wasted on Surtain and call it even

Frankie
03-01-2007, 01:00 PM
All I can think of is Gun saying Bell is a very good player and if anyone thinks differently they should go to his office and say it to his face. I wonder if Carl bothered to tell Gun, or if Gun will have to read it on the internet, again.

I also predict that the Chiefs trade Allen for a 2nd and 4th rounder.
Allen ain't going anywhere. Carl has all the aces on him.

KC Kings
03-01-2007, 01:02 PM
I hope we start Croyle this year, and keep Huard as the backup.
I could maybe understand Croyle over Green, but Croyle over Huard? He had a chance to show he was ready in the Pittsburg game, and ended up 3 for 7 with an 11.9 QB rating and a sack for a 10 yard loss.

Frosty
03-01-2007, 01:04 PM
They cut Harrington...didn't they?

I don't think they have yet, but plan to.

Frankie
03-01-2007, 01:05 PM
get back the 2nd we wasted on Surtain and call it even
:thumb:

suds79
03-01-2007, 01:06 PM
I could maybe understand Croyle over Green, but Croyle over Huard? He had a chance to show he was ready in the Pittsburg game, and ended up 3 for 7 with an 11.9 QB rating and a sack for a 10 yard loss.

Lets keep in mind that Croyle was a rookie last year. I can't remember too many rookie QBs that do not look like garbage.

2nd year is when you definitely expect some progress.

If we're rebuilding, I'd rather find out sooner rather than later if we need to add QB to the needs list.

crazycoffey
03-01-2007, 01:09 PM
Lets keep in mind that Croyle was a rookie last year. I can't remember too many rookie QBs that do not look like garbage.

2nd year is when you definitely expect some progress.

If we're rebuilding, I'd rather find out sooner rather than later if we need to add QB to the needs list.


exactly, or rather to find out if that is a future need we can scratch off or keep on our list of needs.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-01-2007, 01:11 PM
Lets keep in mind that Croyle was a rookie last year. I can't remember too many rookie QBs that do not look like garbage.

2nd year is when you definitely expect some progress.

If we're rebuilding, I'd rather find out sooner rather than later if we need to add QB to the needs list.

IF Croyle is successful, it won't be until his second full year as a starter. He'll suck this year, but it'll be worth it because he will have learned (hopefully, I don't think so though) and we will get a high draft pick that Carl might not screw up.

ILChief
03-01-2007, 01:50 PM
get back the 2nd we wasted on Surtain and call it even

while not an all-pro, i wouldn't consider it "wasted". Do you remember the Bartee/McCleon show?

Direckshun
03-01-2007, 01:53 PM
Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.
That's pretty ****ing hilarious.

HemiEd
03-01-2007, 01:58 PM
apparently


imo Peterson does that so he doesn't have to take responsibility for all the mistakes.


He wouldn't dare do it for the good of the team. He wouldn't dare do it to enable his HC to succeed.

gezzus Laz! :rolleyes:

Tribal Warfare
03-01-2007, 02:01 PM
I never said Huard was going to. But neither was Green.

It's time to build for the future.


building for the future is what we were waiting for 18+ F*CKIN years

GoHuge
03-01-2007, 02:02 PM
That's pretty ****ing hilarious.Yeah they acted like it was breaking news with a funny ha ha. It looks like everybody kinda missed the ha ha part.

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 02:06 PM
He wouldn't dare do it for the good of the team. He wouldn't dare do it to enable his HC to succeed.

gezzus Laz! :rolleyes:
oh ya... all these drafts lately are sooooooooo for the good of the team.

They helped the HC succeed so much that we haven't won a playoff game in 14 years.



gezzus Ed! :rolleyes:

Sully
03-01-2007, 02:58 PM
petro talking about it right now...

saying that he called down to Miami and a guy he knows says that there IS something to it.

that Miami is interested in Green.

As afar as teh Bell thing, that whoel conversation was a joke. Obviously there is something to the Miami stuff, but at that point and time it was just in jest.

keg in kc
03-01-2007, 03:15 PM
apparently


imo Peterson does that so he doesn't have to take responsibility for all the mistakes.Who's he responsible to, laz, that you're referring to? Because I'm not sure how this "responsiblity" is pertinent to his actions. He doesn't really seem to answer to anyone...

And he has gone against his coaches, most notably with Larry Johnson. The end result of that was a good pick that sat on the bench for a couple of years because the coach didn't want him.

In the end, I'd say it's logical to let your scouting staff and your coaching staff have the mainsay in who the Chiefs pick up. That's what they're hired to do. That's not any kind of excuse for Carl. He's ultimately the one tasked to hire said staff, so in the end, whether he chooses the players we target or the staff chooses, he's ultimately the one...responsible, to borrow your word.

Problem is, when he does poorly, as he did from '94 to 2004, he still gets contract extensions. So the problem in the end isn't Carl; the problem is the folks who keep extending his tenure.

They, of course, don't answer to anyone either.

HemiEd
03-01-2007, 03:40 PM
oh ya... all these drafts lately are sooooooooo for the good of the team.

They helped the HC succeed so much that we haven't won a playoff game in 14 years.



gezzus Ed! :rolleyes:


So that is it, a plot!?!? Damn, it has been a plot all along, Carl has intentionally ****ed up the team!?!? Carl knew that Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii were slugs, it was just a plot.

Thig Lyfe
03-01-2007, 03:51 PM
Wow, getting rid of Bell would be great.

boogblaster
03-01-2007, 04:19 PM
With a heavy heart for Green Id say yes, we need a change..Bell needs a short-punt to the sidewalk..As far as trading goes Miami has nothing to offer, they won't trade Taylor ....

Ultra Peanut
03-01-2007, 04:55 PM
and that a proposed trade package could also send Kendrell Bell to Miami. <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/c6VAs8uZjlU"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/c6VAs8uZjlU" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Count Alex's Losses
03-01-2007, 05:29 PM
Man Herm is AWESOME.

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 06:05 PM
So that is it, a plot!?!? Damn, it has been a plot all along, Carl has intentionally ****ed up the team!?!? Carl knew that Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii were slugs, it was just a plot.
wtf are you talking about ... who said anything about a plot?

i just said that i thought Carl Peterson likes to keep a buffer between him and the Personal decisions so WHEN/IF stuff goes wrong he doesn't take the blame ... or at least all the blame.

he's covering his ass

Peterson is the personal guy ... with all the scouts. Instead of letting the drafting etc go up and down with each coaching change he needs to step up and do it himself with the people hired to do it.

he should ask the coaches what type of player they want ... what positions they needs etc. Then let the scouts and player evaluation guys take over.

these comments that "don't blame Carl for drafting Player A or signing player B in free agent ... he's just giving the Coach what they want" is complete crap.

Carl is responsible for the talent level of the team. That means if a Coach is a poor talent evaluator, has less influence with personal decisions, then so be it.

example: Drafting Trazelle Jenkins is Carl's fault ..... he either drafted Jenkins or he let somebody draft him.

Either way it's Carl Peterson responsibility.

mdstu
03-01-2007, 07:05 PM
2 things

1. I can't remember the last NFL trade that involved more than one player.

2. Is Miami running some 3-4. I can't figure out why they would want Bell.

March 1, 2007 2:29 PM ET
Broncos: Bell swapped for Bly
The News
The Broncos are reportedly sending running back Tatum Bell and tackle George Foster to the Lions in exchange for cornerback Dre' Bly, according to ESPN News.
Our View
Bell's name has been mentioned in several trade rumors, and the Broncos have a need at cornerback since the tragic death of Darrent Williams. Bell's acquisition likely means the Lions aren't counting on much from Kevin Jones this year—if ever—and gives Tatum a shot at the lion's share (pun intended) of the workload, something Mike Shanahan seemed reluctant to do. The deal also leaves Mike Bell atop the Broncos' depth chart, though Denver could certainly address that situation in the upcoming draft or via free agency. Or after the draft, which is when they picked up rookie free agent Bell last year.

Chief Roundup
03-01-2007, 07:21 PM
I can't see it Laz. The Vikes traded Culpepper last year for a 2nd round pick and he is alot younger than Trent.
Culpepper also had knee surgery where IIRC all three ligaments had been blown up as well as looking horrible for 2 season prior to the injury and the Dolphins still gave a 2cd rd pick for Culpepper

If there was a player I would consider Chambers, Welker comes to mind.

greg63
03-01-2007, 07:24 PM
Good bye Trent.

HemiEd
03-01-2007, 07:24 PM
these comments that "don't blame Carl for drafting Player A or signing player B in free agent ... he's just giving the Coach what they want" is complete crap.

Carl is responsible for the talent level of the team. That means if a Coach is a poor talent evaluator, has less influence with personal decisions, then so be it.

example: Drafting Trazelle Jenkins is Carl's fault ..... he either drafted Jenkins or he let somebody draft him.

Either way it's Carl Peterson responsibility.

I would agree with you on this Laz. Your previous posts made it sound like Carl was sacrificing the good of the team for his own gain to me.
I am convinced the man has tried everything he can possibly think of to get a SB.

Mr. Laz
03-01-2007, 09:19 PM
I would agree with you on this Laz. Your previous posts made it sound like Carl was sacrificing the good of the team for his own gain to me.
I am convinced the man has tried everything he can possibly think of to get a SB.
i wasn't saying Carl was failing on purpose .....

i was just saying that he covers his ass by letting the coach drive the talent acquisition instead of doing it himself as general manager.