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chiefs1111
03-02-2007, 09:39 AM
just saw it on cold pizza on espn 2.

Ultra Peanut
03-02-2007, 09:41 AM
End of an era. :sulk:

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 09:41 AM
Gruden and Jake Plummer? LMAO

That won't last a year.

Woodrow Call
03-02-2007, 09:41 AM
What did Denver get?

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 09:42 AM
Any details? I haven't seen or found a link yet.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-02-2007, 09:43 AM
Gruden has officially lost it.

He is still drunk from his Super Bowl victory party in 2002.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 09:43 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2785459

Stinger
03-02-2007, 09:43 AM
Any details? I haven't seen or found a link yet.

Denver gets what is to be believed a middle round draft pick according to ESPN radio.

Gonzo
03-02-2007, 09:43 AM
I guess Simms Spleen Still Sucks.

unothadeal
03-02-2007, 09:43 AM
Wow. Denver would have settled for a big **** You

tomahawk kid
03-02-2007, 09:44 AM
Denver gets what is to be believed a middle round draft pick according to ESPN radio.

Wonder if that sets up KC's compensation package for Green.....

:hmmm:

The Bad Guy
03-02-2007, 09:44 AM
4th round pick.

If Plummer is worth a 4th, Trent Green is easily worth that or higher.

chiefs1111
03-02-2007, 09:45 AM
well they had a journalist from ST Petersburg newspaper on cold pizza and he said they just reached the agreement, said it was believed to be a 4th round pick. also i guess tampa is close to signing the fullback from the falcons,Griffith i think his name is.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 09:45 AM
I'll take a 4th for Plummer.

I read somewhere that Denver received Bly and a 6th rounder in the trade with Detroit. So, if true...

Bell, Foster, R5 pick, Plummer for Bly, R4, R6 pick.

Not too bad.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 09:45 AM
4th round pick.

If Plummer is worth a 4th, Trent Green is easily worth that or higher.

Well, there's age to consider.

Mecca
03-02-2007, 09:45 AM
If Green gets higher than a 5th I'll be shocked coming off that concussion, his salary and his age. Plummer has more years left than Green does.

Ultra Peanut
03-02-2007, 09:45 AM
If Plummer's worth a 4th, Trent's worth a Top 3 overall. LMAO

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 09:47 AM
Trent is too old and coming off injury.

Woodrow Call
03-02-2007, 09:47 AM
I'll take a 4th for Plummer.

I read somewhere that Denver received Bly and a 6th rounder in the trade with Detroit. So, if true...

Bell, Foster, R5 pick, Plummer for Bly, R4, R6 pick.

Not too bad.

Good start to the offseason for you guys. :cuss:

Do you think Garcia is on his way to backup Cutler or do you think he will bite the bullett for a chance start in Oakland?

The Bad Guy
03-02-2007, 09:48 AM
If Green gets higher than a 5th I'll be shocked coming off that concussion, his salary and his age. Plummer has more years left than Green does.

Plummer has been braindead for several years. He's terrible, makes awful decisions and has NEVER in his life put up similar numbers to what Trent Green accomplished here.

If he's traded to Miami, he plays in the exact same system, which makes him valuable to them.

Plummer had a high salary too.

Mecca
03-02-2007, 09:48 AM
I'll take a 4th for Plummer.

I read somewhere that Denver received Bly and a 6th rounder in the trade with Detroit. So, if true...

Bell, Foster, R5 pick, Plummer for Bly, R4, R6 pick.

Not too bad.

Denver again gets someone to take their underachieving players they wanted to get rid of anyway and gets a player like Bly and more picks....

Denver stock piles picks......we trade our picks. I wonder why their team is generally better than ours.....

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 09:48 AM
Who knows what they'll do... OAK may offer more $, I dunno.

Woodrow Call
03-02-2007, 09:48 AM
Trent is too old and coming off injury.

Sad but true.

Skip Towne
03-02-2007, 09:50 AM
What did Denver get?
Two dozen footballs.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 09:53 AM
We'll see Plummer again in 2008, god willing!

siberian khatru
03-02-2007, 09:53 AM
Denver stock piles picks......we trade our picks. I wonder why their team is generally better than ours.....

Yep. And we trade our picks for goddamn COACHES.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 09:55 AM
Predictably, the Mane just crashed.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 09:57 AM
Denver again gets someone to take their underachieving players they wanted to get rid of anyway and gets a player like Bly and more picks....

Denver stock piles picks......we trade our picks. I wonder why their team is generally better than ours.....

Yep.

Shanahan is a better GM than CP is.

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 09:58 AM
Good start to the offseason for you guys. :cuss:

Do you think Garcia is on his way to backup Cutler or do you think he will bite the bullett for a chance start in Oakland?

Add in that both Graham and Kerney are in Denver today also, and the Broncos could have a very good 2 days.

Garcia is only in Denver if he doesn't like the starting situation anywhere else.

CosmicPal
03-02-2007, 09:58 AM
Denver again gets someone to take their underachieving players they wanted to get rid of anyway and gets a player like Bly and more picks....

Denver stock piles picks......we trade our picks. I wonder why their team is generally better than ours.....

I agree they got rid of underachieving players, but honestly- I think Detroit got the better end of this deal. Tatum Bell/Foster and a 5th round pick for a guy who's soft on tackling and a 6th round pick who's chances of making the team are not very good?

Not sure why Denver felt like it needed Bly so bad. The AFC West isn't exactly teeming with great wideouts. Geez, Moss may not even be in a Faider uniform before the season begins. IMO, I think Detroit scored on this deal big-time.

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 09:59 AM
Damn Denver just keeps reloading and stock piling up picks!

Shanahan and Bowlen own CP and Herm... They are light years ahead of us in just about everything.

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 09:59 AM
Predictably, the Mane just crashed.

The Mane has been slow the past 2 days, I wish TJ would switch it over to member's only viewing at least through the weekend.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 09:59 AM
Yep.

Shanahan is a better GM than CP is.

Hardly. Shanahan has been blowing first round picks with regularity in the last few years.

In fact - Denver doesn't have a SINGLE PLAYER from the 2003 draft on their team right now.

I'm not saying Carl is a god or anything, but let's not put The Rat on a pedestal here.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 09:59 AM
Add in that both Graham and Kerney are in Denver today also, and the Broncos could have a very good 2 days.

Garcia is only in Denver if he doesn't like the starting situation anywhere else.

yeah I read where they were major players for Kearney and he would be a HUGE upgrade for the D-Line.

Graham = blah

Mecca
03-02-2007, 09:59 AM
I agree they got rid of underachieving players, but honestly- I think Detroit got the better end of this deal. Tatum Bell/Foster and a 5th round pick for a guy who's soft on tackling and a 6th round pick who's chances of making the team are not very good?

Not sure why Denver felt like it needed Bly so bad. The AFC West isn't exactly teeming with great wideouts. Geez, Moss may not even be in a Faider uniform before the season begins. IMO opinion, I think Detroit scored on this deal big-time.

Foster is a complete bum who got benched and they can plug any back in there......if they ever use a first like this year on a guy like Michael Bush then we'll be real unhappy with them when he's putting up 1800 yards.

chop
03-02-2007, 10:00 AM
Trent is too old and coming off injury.

He is old but he is not coming off of an injury any longer. People make it sound as if he had a season ending injury last year. He played several games at the end of the year. He didn't put up the numbers he has in the past but I don't think the numbers he put up, or lack there of, were entirely his fault. The run on 1st and 2nd and pass on 3rd down offense didn't exactly keep the defenses off balance.

morphius
03-02-2007, 10:00 AM
Damn Denver just keeps reloading and stock piling up picks!

Shanahan and Bowlen own CP and Herm... They are light years ahead of us in just about everything.
Except they only seem to be one game better then the Chiefs, and also embarrass themselves in every playoff game since Elway left...

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:00 AM
Add in that both Graham and Kerney are in Denver today also, and the Broncos could have a very good 2 days.

Garcia is only in Denver if he doesn't like the starting situation anywhere else.

If you overpay for Graham I'm going to laugh at you........he's a solid player, good blocker but he's not a premier guy worth a ton of money.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-02-2007, 10:01 AM
Yep. And we trade our picks for goddamn COACHES.

We don't have many players that teams would trade for. We suck at drafting and free agency so bad that we are stuck with what we have, because we lack depth, so you can't go trading players.

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 10:02 AM
Except they only seem to be one game better then the Chiefs, and also embarrass themselves in every playoff game since Elway left...


How long have the Chiefs been embarrassing themselves in the playoffs?

Edit: At least they win playoff games....

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 10:02 AM
I agree they got rid of underachieving players, but honestly- I think Detroit got the better end of this deal. Tatum Bell/Foster and a 5th round pick for a guy who's soft on tackling and a 6th round pick who's chances of making the team are not very good?


Not sure how Detroit's high 6th is a player who is not likely to make the team, but Denver's late 5th is a guy who is. There's not much of a difference between the two. Foster was gone through trade or cut, that had already been stated. So using homer logic, the picks wash, and Foster isn't counted, so Denver got Bly for Bell. Broncos win!!

Seriously, both teams dumped players they had no use for anymore. Good deal for both teams.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:02 AM
Hardly. Shanahan has been blowing first round picks with regularity in the last few years.

In fact - Denver doesn't have a SINGLE PLAYER from the 2003 draft on their team right now.

I'm not saying Carl is a god or anything, but let's not put The Rat on a pedestal here.


They got their QBOTF last year while we are stuck with shitty ass old QB's.

Clarett was a horrible pick but they have made some good deals and at least they try to get better while the Chiefs stand around with their thumbs up their ass or on vacation.

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:03 AM
We don't have many players that teams would trade for. We suck at drafting and free agency so bad that we are stuck with what we have, because we lack depth, so you can't go trading players.

If you find someone to take your 1st round RT that got benched for almost an entire season......you can make trades, it's just what you are willing to take.

Fact is if CP makes a pick it seems like he's unwilling to part with them for years because his ego refuses to allow him to admit he made a mistake.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:03 AM
They got their QBOTF last year while we are stuck with shitty ass old QB's.

Clarett was a horrible pick but they have made some good deals and at least they try to get better while the Chiefs stand around with their thumbs up their ass or on vacation.


Ah, **** it. I'm busting it out early this year.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3479/chickenkczj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 10:04 AM
Ah, **** it. I'm busting it out early this year.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3479/chickenkczj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


What sky?

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:04 AM
It's just an unfortunate fact Denver generally makes better player decisions than we do.......

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 10:05 AM
If you overpay for Graham I'm going to laugh at you........he's a solid player, good blocker but he's not a premier guy worth a ton of money.

I'm sure everyone who isn't a fan of the team who signs Graham will laugh, probably even some of those team's fans too. The guy is going to get paid. I want Graham, so if they give him the $5M per year PFT claims he wants, I'm fine with it. He was already in Denver before FA started, so I doubt he makes it out of town.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-02-2007, 10:05 AM
If you find someone to take your 1st round RT that got benched for almost an entire season......you can make trades, it's just what you are willing to take.

Fact is if CP makes a pick it seems like he's unwilling to part with them for years because his ego refuses to allow him to admit he made a mistake.

We're screwed either way, it doesn't matter.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:05 AM
Ah, **** it. I'm busting it out early this year.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3479/chickenkczj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LMAO

I am far from chicken little I am just tired of mediocrity

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:06 AM
It's just an unfortunate fact Denver generally makes better player decisions than we do.......

Signing Plummer sure worked out for them... ROFL

The Chiefs and the Broncos are almost mirror images in talent level over the last few years. Not surprisingly that's been reflected in division championships, total wins and head-to-head record.

In short, shut the **** up.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:06 AM
GoChiefs...

R1 picks by Denver the last "few years"
06 - Cutler
05 - Darrent Williams (RIP)
04 - DJ Williams

Now, if you want to go look at 01-03, sure those guys didn't do too well, but that's beyond your "few years" comment.

CosmicPal
03-02-2007, 10:07 AM
Foster is a complete bum who got benched and they can plug any back in there......if they ever use a first like this year on a guy like Michael Bush then we'll be real unhappy with them when he's putting up 1800 yards.

That's irrelevant. The fact is- they didn't need a DB as badly and they traded away their starting RB and a 5th rounder for a DB with poor tackling skills and a 6th rounder.

Everyone's making this trade out to be something so great, when in fact- it really doesn't do Denver all that good. The AFC West has 2 of the best RB's in the league- what Denver needs more than anything are people who can help to stop the run. Bly doesn't provide that for them. Bly provides another excellent coverage man, but he's been known to be soft against the run.

Not to mention, if Bly goes down with an injury- then Denver lost big-time. A 6th round pick isn't going to find them a RB or a RT to replace Bell or Foster. Good luck with that one Donkeys.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-02-2007, 10:07 AM
LMAO

I am far from chicken little I am just tired of mediocrity

It's ok, we're used to mediocrity.

It'll be around until Carl and Herm are gone.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:07 AM
I'm sure everyone who isn't a fan of the team who signs Graham will laugh, probably even some of those team's fans too. The guy is going to get paid. I want Graham, so if they give him the $5M per year PFT claims he wants, I'm fine with it. He was already in Denver before FA started, so I doubt he makes it out of town.

I don't understand the fascination with Graham. He is an average player at best and he definitely is not a pass catching type TE.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:09 AM
Denver still hasn't addressed their pathetic defensive line - which is, last time I checked, actually worse than ours. And Shanahan has had YEARS to fix it up without really finding a solution.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:09 AM
Not to mention, if Bly goes down with an injury- then Denver lost big-time. A 6th round pick isn't going to find them a RB or a RT to replace Bell or Foster. Good luck with that one Donkeys.

Terrell Davis was a 6th rd pick. That worked out pretty well for them.

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:10 AM
I'm sure everyone who isn't a fan of the team who signs Graham will laugh, probably even some of those team's fans too. The guy is going to get paid. I want Graham, so if they give him the $5M per year PFT claims he wants, I'm fine with it. He was already in Denver before FA started, so I doubt he makes it out of town.

Oh wait, he's from there. He went to college at Colorado I totally forgot that. I guess it makes sense......

By the way GoChiefs........Jake Plummer and the Broncos did win a playoff game.....how many did Trent and the Chiefs win in the same time frame.....oh yea.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:10 AM
Denver still hasn't addressed their pathetic defensive line - which is, last time I checked, actually worse than ours. And Shanahan has had YEARS to fix it up without really finding a solution.

What if they sign Kearney?

That would be a HUGE upgrade don't you think?

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:11 AM
Denver still hasn't addressed their pathetic defensive line - which is, last time I checked, actually worse than ours. And Shanahan has had YEARS to fix it up without really finding a solution.

Well Jim Bates pretty much assrapes our entire staff so there's that.......their defense is always better than ours despite the talent on paper not looking much different.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:11 AM
It's ok, we're used to mediocrity.

It'll be around until Carl and Herm are gone.

Sometimes it sucks to be a Chiefs fan. :banghead:

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:11 AM
Signing Plummer sure worked out for them... ROFL

The Chiefs and the Broncos are almost mirror images in talent level over the last few years. Not surprisingly that's been reflected in division championships, total wins and head-to-head record.

In short, shut the **** up.

You're a tool.

Denver had 10+ win seasons (10, 10, 13) in each of Plummer's first 3 years with the team. They went to an AFC title game. Was it all because of Plummer? No. But, they're playoff losses weren't all because of Plummer either.

You can keep saying that KC and Denver have been "equal" in recent years, but that's only in the H2H conversation.

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 10:11 AM
I don't understand the fascination with Graham. He is an average player at best and he definitely is not a pass catching type TE.

I think they want him to fill the role that Carswell filled with Shannon for so long, red-zone threat and basically a 6th OL when he's on the field. Whether he's worth the money that he will get, there's too many teams interested for him to not get close to it, remains to be seen.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:12 AM
What if they sign Kearney?

That would be a HUGE upgrade don't you think?

Kerney hasn't done jack in the last couple of years. He's a decent player, but at this point not even as good as Jared Allen. They need alot more than Patrick Kerney to upgrade that D-Line. Especially since Gerard Warren appears to be on the way out (another failed Donkey pickup, coincidentally).

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 10:13 AM
You're a tool.

Denver had 10+ win seasons (10, 10, 13) in each of Plummer's first 3 years with the team. They went to an AFC title game. Was it all because of Plummer? No. But, they're playoff losses weren't all because of Plummer either.

You can keep saying that KC and Denver have been "equal" in recent years, but that's only in the H2H conversation.


We cant even sniff Denvers jocks right now.. Denver is always trying to get better, while we are like a one legged duck paddling in circles.

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:13 AM
I just find this hilarious......Denver is in a much better spot than we are, makes better moves most of the time.

Anyone trying to say our team is better than theirs or is setup better is drinking the homer koolaid.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:13 AM
Well Jim Bates pretty much assrapes our entire staff so there's that.......their defense is always better than ours despite the talent on paper not looking much different.

Their defense wasn't better than ours last year. I suspect that trend will continue this season.

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 10:14 AM
Their defense wasn't better than ours last year. I suspect that trend will continue this season.


They will still be productive on offense, Can we say the same?

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:14 AM
Their defense wasn't better than ours last year. I suspect that trend will continue this season.

I don't.........Jim Bates is someone I'd consider a premier DC, I expect nothing but improvement there.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:15 AM
If you overpay for Graham I'm going to laugh at you........he's a solid player, good blocker but he's not a premier guy worth a ton of money.

Really? About 7 NFL teams in need of a TE seem to think otherwise...

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:16 AM
Listening to Clayton talk football cracks me up... don't you have an article to butcher for WPI?

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 10:16 AM
Their defense wasn't better than ours last year. I suspect that trend will continue this season.

So why are you not posting at the Mane for a year? Which team gave up less points last season, despite the fact they were the worst scoring defense the 2nd half of the year?

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:17 AM
Really? About 7 NFL teams in need of a TE seem to think otherwise...

I didn't say he sucked the monkey ass......Just that I didn't think he was worth huge money. And of course if you are in need you tend to overpay.

I don't think he'll be a huge bust because you know exactly what do expect from him he's pretty solid and is what he is. But I doubt he'll ever play up to his contract so you sign him knowing what to expect. Seeing what Denver has been trying to do at TE for years now it makes sense for you guys......it's a safe signing.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:17 AM
Kerney hasn't done jack in the last couple of years. He's a decent player, but at this point not even as good as Jared Allen. They need alot more than Patrick Kerney to upgrade that D-Line. Especially since Gerard Warren appears to be on the way out (another failed Donkey pickup, coincidentally).

Kerney would be a huge upgrade over Warren. He got hurt last year but they say he is completely healthy and the NFL Network guys said he would be the best sleeper FA this year.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:17 AM
Their defense wasn't better than ours last year. I suspect that trend will continue this season.

This coming from a guy who can't post for a year on the OMane because he lost a bet with a Bronco fan over defensive performance? LOL

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:17 AM
Regarding the TE... I'd like to see them NOT pay a lot of cash to DG. I like Scheffler's potential in that offense and would fear paying a lot to any FA TE would monkey up Tony's maturation in the system.

I'd much rather read about a Kearney signing and a trade for a guy like Thomas Jones with our new R4 pick.

htismaqe
03-02-2007, 10:18 AM
Chiefsplanet, the official home of Bronco Homers.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:18 AM
I think they want him to fill the role that Carswell filled with Shannon for so long, red-zone threat and basically a 6th OL when he's on the field. Whether he's worth the money that he will get, there's too many teams interested for him to not get close to it, remains to be seen.

Thanks. Makes sense though I wouldn't pay the guy $5 millon/year.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:18 AM
Listening to Clayton talk football cracks me up... don't you have an article to butcher for WPI?

Keep dishing out the ad hominem, creep. It's what you're best at. You're stooping to vailpass levels at this point.

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:19 AM
Regarding the TE... I'd like to see them NOT pay a lot of cash to DG. I like Scheffler's potential in that offense and would fear paying a lot to any FA TE would monkey up Tony's maturation in the system.

I'd much rather read about a Kearney signing and a trade for a guy like Thomas Jones with our new R4 pick.

Well those 2 TE's are much different players, you should able to find a way to use both like NE did with Graham and Watson.

I think Michael Bush would own in you guys run system but I know you all aren't high on picking RB's high.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:19 AM
Kerney would be a huge upgrade over Warren. H

They don't even play the same goddamn position.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:19 AM
I didn't say he sucked the monkey ass......Just that I didn't think he was worth huge money. And of course if you are in need you tend to overpay.

I don't think he'll be a huge bust because you know exactly what do expect from him he's pretty solid and is what he is. But I doubt he'll ever play up to his contract so you sign him knowing what to expect. Seeing what Denver has been trying to do at TE for years now it makes sense for you guys......it's a safe signing.

In Denver's blocking scheme, a player like Graham is worth a lot of money. He's the premier blocking TE in the NFL. We'll probably get a minor hometown discount if he decides to sign with Denver. His dad played for the Broncos, he grew up there, and he went to CU. There's some hidden value there for him, if you know what I mean.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:20 AM
Keep dishing out the ad hominem, creep. It's what you're best at. You're stooping to vailpass levels at this point.

Breaking out the $.50 words... greatness. I do a lot of things better than trashing you, dude.

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:20 AM
For the record Patrick Kerney is a really really good player, his stats were down due to being injured and missing most of last season.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:21 AM
They will still be productive on offense, Can we say the same?

What do you mean "still be."

Denver had an inferior offense to the one in Kansas City last year.

And they just dumped their leading rusher.

This place would be FREAKING OUT if our best running back was an undrafted free agent in his second year.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:22 AM
They don't even play the same goddamn position.

I realize that i was just saying signing Kerney is alot better player than Warren and he will make that D-Line better.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:22 AM
Well those 2 TE's are much different players, you should able to find a way to use both like NE did with Graham and Watson.

I think Michael Bush would own in you guys run system but I know you all aren't high on picking RB's high.

I'm not disagreeing... I just don't have a current idea as to what their cap looks like, so dumping big money on a TE doesn't do much for me. Not saying I wouldn't like the move if the cap room is there for other needs.

I think they stay away from spending a high pick on RBs b/c there is a new rule in Denver... top the 1,000 yard mark and you're in a new uniform the next season.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:22 AM
Keep dishing out the ad hominem, creep. It's what you're best at. You're stooping to vailpass levels at this point.

Clayton, can you post your most recent article? I'm in need of a laugh...it's a slow day today.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:22 AM
He's the premier blocking TE in the NFL.

Hardly.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:23 AM
Clayton, can you post your most recent article? I'm in need of a laugh...it's a slow day today.

Find it yourself, dickhead.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:23 AM
Despite all the fighting it is very good to be talking football again!

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:23 AM
This place would be FREAKING OUT if our best running back was an undrafted free agent in his second year.

And, this is where Denver fans point to the "plug and play" success for Denver at the RB position. I think Mike Bell has huge potential, so who knows. But, they're bare at the position now with depth, so more moves to come.

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:23 AM
I'm not disagreeing... I just don't have a current idea as to what their cap looks like, so dumping big money on a TE doesn't do much for me. Not saying I wouldn't like the move if the cap room is there for other needs.

I think they stay away from spending a high pick on RBs b/c there is a new rule in Denver... top the 1,000 yard mark and you're in a new uniform the next season.

I think that has hurt you guys some......sure you know you'll get your 1000 but there's a big difference in getting your 1000 and having a guy back there that might go for 1800.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:24 AM
Despite all the fighting it is very good to be talking football again!

Yep. Now if we could get the trolls to stop the personal attacks... :rolleyes:

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:24 AM
Hardly.

Compared to.........he's younger more versatile and doesn't have a destroyed back like Jason Dunn so don't try that one.

He was the Pats blocking TE......I'm sure he sucks at it right?

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:24 AM
What do you mean "still be."

Denver had an inferior offense to the one in Kansas City last year.

And they just dumped their leading rusher.

This place would be FREAKING OUT if our best running back was an undrafted free agent in his second year.

Denver has always had a productive running game. We also have one of the best young QB's in the league that will enter next season as the full-time starter. Things are looking up for the Broncos. Have fun with Damon Huard as your starter next season!

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:26 AM
I think that has hurt you guys some......sure you know you'll get your 1000 but there's a big difference in getting your 1000 and having a guy back there that might go for 1800.

I agree, but then as soon as I say that... I point to the Indy/KC playoff game and think "ok, you guys had one and did nothing". Not throwing smack, but guys like that (the 1500 yd RBs) are few and far between from a consistent performance over time.

If Denver can get one... I'm all for it.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:26 AM
Things are looking up for the Broncos. Have fun with Damon Huard as your starter next season!

Maybe you guys can make the playoffs next year!

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:26 AM
And, this is where Denver fans point to the "plug and play" success for Denver at the RB position. I think Mike Bell has huge potential, so who knows. But, they're bare at the position now with depth, so more moves to come.

I disagree on Bell...I think he'd be serviceable in the offense but not a full time work horse type of guy. His speed is very questionable, IMO.

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 10:27 AM
And, this is where Denver fans point to the "plug and play" success for Denver at the RB position. I think Mike Bell has huge potential, so who knows. But, they're bare at the position now with depth, so more moves to come.

Mike Bell does nothing for me, I wasn't impressed with him at all last year. He'll be a good backup and decent goalline back, but I want no part of him as the starter.

If they don't trade for McGahee or Jones, they'll sign a FA and use a first day pick on a back.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:27 AM
Yep. Now if we could get the trolls to stop the personal attacks... :rolleyes:

You have spent a lot of time setting yourself up for these remarks... they're not personal attacks. Hell, I said nothing about your Star Wars' collection.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:27 AM
Maybe you guys can make the playoffs next year!

Maybe you guys can WIN a playoff game for the first time in 14 years next year. Is Shields coming back?

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:27 AM
I agree, but then as soon as I say that... I point to the Indy/KC playoff game and think "ok, you guys had one and did nothing". Not throwing smack, but guys like that (the 1500 yd RBs) are few and far between from a consistent performance over time.

If Denver can get one... I'm all for it.

Well as long as you don't give your guy 430 carries maybe he'll still be able to play when the playoffs roll around....

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:28 AM
I disagree on Bell...I think he'd be serviceable in the offense but not a full time work horse type of guy. His speed is very questionable, IMO.

I think Bell is average at best even behind your O-line.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:28 AM
Maybe you guys can WIN a playoff game for the first time in 14 years next year. Is Shields coming back?

Is Elway coming back?

At least you guys will avoid the 49ers next year...things are looking up!

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:29 AM
Yep. Now if we could get the trolls to stop the personal attacks... :rolleyes:

You are the very definition of a troll, Bob. The only reason I'm here is because the Mane is slow as molasses, and you guys talk a lot about the Broncos at this time of year because your front office is generally in hibernation during this time of year.

Brock
03-02-2007, 10:29 AM
Yep. Now if we could get the trolls to stop the personal attacks... :rolleyes:

Hypocritical douche.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:29 AM
Hypocritical douche.

Excuse me? I didn't start the fire.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:29 AM
Lemme back up... I don't think Mike Bell has Tomlinson/LJ type of potential. If Denver were planning to go into 2007 with Mike as the lead guy, then I'd be concerned. But, we know that won't happen.

I think Bell has huge upside in the right mix. Could he be the next 1,050 yd guy that gets traded? Sure.

I'm really wanting to hear a trade for Thomas Jones.

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 10:30 AM
You are the very definition of a troll, Bob. The only reason I'm here is because the Mane is slow as molasses, and you guys talk a lot about the Broncos at this time of year because your front office is generally in hibernation during this time of year.


STFU

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:31 AM
You are the very definition of a troll, Bob. The only reason I'm here is because the Mane is slow as molasses, and you guys talk a lot about the Broncos at this time of year because your front office is generally in hibernation during this time of year.

Now THAT was quality.

Taco John
03-02-2007, 10:31 AM
You guys are crazy if you think Green presents a better football value than Jake Plummer does, and that's after watching Jake have one of his worst seasons of his career.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:31 AM
Excuse me? I didn't start the fire.

Settle down, Billy Joel...

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:31 AM
You are the very definition of a troll, Bob. The only reason I'm here is because the Mane is slow as molasses, and you guys talk a lot about the Broncos at this time of year because your front office is generally in hibernation during this time of year.

Sorry but Bob is not a troll here so STFU.

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 10:31 AM
You guys are crazy if you think Green presents a better football value than Jake Plummer does, and that's after watching Jake have one of his worst seasons of his career.

Please put your site on "members only" viewing for the next few days

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:32 AM
You guys are crazy if you think Green presents a better football value than Jake Plummer does, and that's after watching Jake have one of his worst seasons of his career.

I agree. We will be lucky to get a 4th or 5th round choice for Trent

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:32 AM
Bob is a WPI troll at times...

I think it's great that we have 8 pages on a Denver trade that hasn't been finalized yet on Chiefsplanet.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:33 AM
Is Elway coming back?

At least you guys will avoid the 49ers next year...things are looking up!

I asked you a legit question, Bob. Is Shields coming back?

BTW...after seeing the 9ers, I think they have a good shot at winning their division next year.

And yes, things are looking up. Apparently you didn't catch any of the games last year with Cutler, Scheffler, Walker, and Marshall last year. If the defense improves in the slightest next year...and with Bates it should...Denver is going to be a very dangerous team. Especially considering that we'll be playing a 3rd place sked next season.l

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:33 AM
You guys are crazy if you think Green presents a better football value than Jake Plummer does, and that's after watching Jake have one of his worst seasons of his career.

Well, a concussion really wouldn't affect Plummer, would it now? :D

Codered
03-02-2007, 10:33 AM
I doubt Denver is going to war with Mike Bell as their starting RB next year. There is plenty of RB options this off season and a handful of solid ones in the draft.

Point is Denver isn't sitting back staying put and making up excuses on why they can't be players in the off season. Plummer for an early 4th rounder and adding another probowl caliber CB to their team is a great start to what appears to be a busy off season for them.

Anyone who disagrees with that have the option of enjoying the type of off season movements that Carl Peterson continues to do each and every season. I'd much rather gamble on moves like grabbing Javon Walker, Dre Bly, or moving up to grab a QBOTF.

Maybe thatís just me.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:34 AM
Sorry but Bob is not a troll here so STFU.

How many times has Bob been banned here?

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:35 AM
You folks really need to get over your mancrush on GoChiefs.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:35 AM
How many times has Bob been banned here?

Depends on the alias... he has at least 5 and I'm certain at least 2 have been banned.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:36 AM
How many times has Bob been banned here?

Old news.

Gochiefs contributes alot to this place minus the WPI stuff.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:37 AM
Stop talking about GoChiefs. He honestly wishes you'd stick to the football talk.

Mecca
03-02-2007, 10:37 AM
I'll say this.....Shanahan keeps firing, whether he makes a mistake or not he keeps firing trying to improve his team.

CP makes moves like he's afraid he'll screw it up....the Chiefs just stand pat and keep the status quo far to often and that is how we ended up in this situation.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:37 AM
Stop talking about GoChiefs. He honestly wishes you'd stick to the football talk.

I agree.

Garcia Bronco
03-02-2007, 10:37 AM
So long Jake...you were awesome. Good luck in Tampa.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:38 AM
You folks really need to get over your mancrush on GoChiefs.

We're not here to make fun of you...you just happen to be on this thread talking out of your rear end, as usual.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:38 AM
I'll say this.....Shanahan keeps firing, whether he makes a mistake or not he keeps firing trying to improve his team.

CP makes moves like he's afraid he'll screw it up....the Chiefs just stand pat and keep the status quo far to often and that is how we ended up in this situation.

Yep totally agree.

htismaqe
03-02-2007, 10:38 AM
How many times has Bob been banned here?

Welcome to 2002.

GoChiefs hasn't been banned, in any incarnation, for almost 5 years.

He actually contributes a considerable amount of football talk here.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:39 AM
All BS aside... I too wish Jake the best in Tampa.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:39 AM
Welcome to 2002.

GoChiefs hasn't been banned, in any incarnation, for almost 5 years.

He actually contributes a considerable amount of football talk here.

Look out, Phobia is going to get mad if you try to steal his gimp.

htismaqe
03-02-2007, 10:41 AM
Look out, Phobia is going to get mad if you try to steal his gimp.

I had to go rinse my mouth out with Listerine after typing it, but really, other than you and Hercules, is it really necessary to come over here and act like retards just because the Mane is slow?

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:41 AM
Welcome to 2002.

GoChiefs hasn't been banned, in any incarnation, for almost 5 years.

He actually contributes a considerable amount of football talk here.

Like the "masturbating at the bowling alley" thread?

htismaqe
03-02-2007, 10:43 AM
Like the "masturbating at the bowling alley" thread?

Yeah, there's one of those threads for every 10 or 12 he posts about football.

As opposed to your posts, which are 100% stupid. Seriously, just ask him for a JPEG so you can whack off to it. You've got an ENORMOUS man crush and it's obvious to everyone.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:44 AM
Can we get back to talking about why the Broncos are going to suck this year? :D

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:47 AM
Yeah, there's one of those threads for every 10 or 12 he posts about football.

As opposed to your posts, which are 100% stupid. Seriously, just ask him for a JPEG so you can whack off to it. You've got an ENORMOUS man crush and it's obvious to everyone.

Bob, can you send me some JPEG's?

htismaqe, stop being a drama queen...

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:48 AM
Can we get back to talking about why the Broncos are going to suck this year? :D

OK, why do you think the Broncos are going to suck this year?

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:49 AM
I had to go rinse my mouth out with Listerine after typing it, but really, other than you and Hercules, is it really necessary to come over here and act like retards just because the Mane is slow?

True - I see your point. But, when CP has crashed in the past I know that some from here have gone to the OM. These guys are just responding to 'Bob' as they know him. That's all.

If they were starting threads like wildfire that would be one thing, but they're not doing that.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 10:49 AM
Can we get back to talking about why the Broncos are going to suck this year? :D

I thought we were talking about why the Chiefs were going to suck?

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:50 AM
Can we get back to talking about why the Broncos are going to suck this year? :D

Too many unanswered questions at this point to really break it down one way or the other. But, I'll go out on a limb and say they'll win 9 games at a minimum. Other than that... too early.

SD is the only AFCW team that looks solid across the board (aside from WR).

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:51 AM
I thought we were talking about why the Chiefs were going to suck?

Oh yeah I forgot sorry.

The reasons why the Chiefs are going to suck are, well there is really only 1.

HERM EDWARDS

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:51 AM
I thought we were talking about why the Chiefs were going to suck?

That's actually a better conversation and easier to get mass contributions.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:52 AM
Too many unanswered questions at this point to really break it down one way or the other. But, I'll go out on a limb and say they'll win 9 games at a minimum. Other than that... too early.

SD is the only AFCW team that looks solid across the board (aside from WR).

I agree and I just wanted to get back to talking football. I think the Chargers are in trouble now that Norv is their coach.

My prediction:

1. Denver
2. Chargers
3. Chiefs
4. Raiders

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:53 AM
Turner as a HC concerns me, but he'd really have to work to scew up that team, IMO.

StcChief
03-02-2007, 10:55 AM
I'd take a 5 pick for Green.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:56 AM
Too many unanswered questions at this point to really break it down one way or the other. But, I'll go out on a limb and say they'll win 9 games at a minimum. Other than that... too early.

SD is the only AFCW team that looks solid across the board (aside from WR).

I don't know about SD...they lost their HC, OC, and DC this year...and replaced them with Norv Turner and Ted Cottrell. Plus I thought that Rivers was getting increasingly exposed toward the end of the season. There won't be any surprises this year and they will be playing a 1st place schedule. And this will be Merriman's first year completely off the juice. True, they have a lot of talent, but there's something to be said about coaching continuity. I think they'll be somewhere around 10-6 or 11-5 next year if everything clicks for them.

htismaqe
03-02-2007, 10:56 AM
Bob, can you send me some JPEG's?

htismaqe, stop being a drama queen...

Drama queen?

ROFL

When ya got nuthin, make shit up!

I'm sorry that you asked him out and he turned you down.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 10:57 AM
Turner as a HC concerns me, but he'd really have to work to scew up that team, IMO.

IMHO he is a horrible HC but a great coordinator.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:57 AM
Oh yeah I forgot sorry.

The reasons why the Chiefs are going to suck are, well there is really only 1.

HERM EDWARDS

Has the LJ on the trading block thing been put to rest? If he's traded you guys might be battling the Raiders for the cellar next season.

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 10:58 AM
You guys are crazy if you think Green presents a better football value than Jake Plummer does, and that's after watching Jake have one of his worst seasons of his career.


well it is part of my name..... :p

Green was better last year than plummer ever has been. So eat another Taco, John.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:58 AM
Right and 10 or 11 wins with all of those concerns isn't really a bad record. I'm not discounting the changes, but the talent is good. I fear them actually getting a solid WR or two.

Joe Horn in SD? I know he's old, but still would be a decent fit.

I'm interested to see where Kevin Curtis goes. Sounds like Martz wants him in DET. I'd like to see him in Denver for the right price, but WR isn't a top need in FA compared to some others.

htismaqe
03-02-2007, 10:58 AM
If they were starting threads like wildfire that would be one thing, but they're not doing that.

No, instead they follow him around like jilted lovers and pretend they "just wanna talk football".

Mr. Laz
03-02-2007, 10:58 AM
if Denver can get a 4th rounder for a stinky QB that had already lost is starting job and who was about to be cut the Chiefs should be able to get a 2nd rounder for a starting QB who has thrown for 4,000+ yards in 3 out the last 4 years.

they can test for the concussion

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 10:59 AM
well it is part of my name..... :p

Green was better last year than plummer ever has been. So eat another Taco, John.

interesting.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 10:59 AM
Drama queen?

ROFL

When ya got nuthin, make shit up!

I'm sorry that you asked him out and he turned you down.

Saying that my posts are 100% garbage when I've been posting legitimate football talk for the most part (other than to flame booby) is a little over the top, wouldn't you say?

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 11:01 AM
if Denver can get a 4th rounder for a stinky QB that had already lost is starting job and who was about to be cut the Chiefs should be able to get a 2nd rounder for a starting QB who has thrown for 4,000+ yards in 3 out the last 4 years.

they can test for the concussion

A second round pick for a guy that is going to be 37 this year? I doubt it... I don't even know if Favre could command a R2 pick at his age and he's a hell of a lot more valuable than Green in my opinion.

htismaqe
03-02-2007, 11:01 AM
Saying that my posts are 100% garbage when I've been posting legitimate football talk for the most part (other than to flame booby) is a little over the top, wouldn't you say?

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to damage your fragile ego.

You're a fuggin Bronco fan, what the hell do you expect at a CHIEFS MESSAGE BOARD?

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 11:02 AM
well it is part of my name..... :p

Green was better last year than plummer ever has been. So eat another Taco, John.

I'm having trouble remembering when Green got the Chiefs to the AFC Championship game...or won a playoff game, for that matter. Can you help me out?

Jake did that with a RBBC, an aging WR, and crappy TE's.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 11:03 AM
Has the LJ on the trading block thing been put to rest? If he's traded you guys might be battling the Raiders for the cellar next season.

I don't think it is going to happen but who knows.

I agree the Chiefs could be in trouble if they don't try to improve their O-Line and D-line significantly.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 11:04 AM
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to damage your fragile ego.

You're a fuggin Bronco fan, what the hell do you expect at a CHIEFS MESSAGE BOARD?

You didn't damage my ego...your over the top generalizations illicited a chuckle from me, though.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 11:05 AM
I'm having trouble remembering when Green got the Chiefs to the AFC Championship game...or won a playoff game, for that matter. Can you help me out?

Jake did that with a RBBC, an aging WR, and crappy TE's.

I really wish these debates would end, now that both players are probably going to be elsewhere in 2007, but I'll say it one last time:

The Broncos got to the playoffs and won DESPITE Jake Plummer.

vailpass
03-02-2007, 11:05 AM
Keep dishing out the ad hominem, creep. It's what you're best at. You're stooping to vailpass levels at this point.

Watch how you talk about your daddy, basement bitch, or I'll whoop the yoda out of you.

Keep on parroting football takes you read on the stats page as if they were your own and you weren't really a pale whale career nerd. You didn't know a pulling guard from pulling your pud until you read about it in a book. It's downright entertaining

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:05 AM
A second round pick for a guy that is going to be 37 this year? I doubt it... I don't even know if Favre could command a R2 pick at his age and he's a hell of a lot more valuable than Green in my opinion.

I think 2 is also too high, mile high. :p

but better than plummer, yes. worthy of a three maybe, four? certainly. So now it depends on the team, early three = less chance, but middle or late three he can get that, IMO.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 11:06 AM
No, instead they follow him around like jilted lovers and pretend they "just wanna talk football".

Since you are so determined to defend his honor, I'm assuming that you are his current fling?

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 11:07 AM
Steve, shut up.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 11:07 AM
Let's just stick with football and make everyone happy.

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:07 AM
I'm having trouble remembering when Green got the Chiefs to the AFC Championship game...or won a playoff game, for that matter. Can you help me out?

Jake did that with a RBBC, an aging WR, and crappy TE's.


so you are attributing your teams success all on plummer????

your even dummer than you act/post wise.

I would never attribute all my teams shortcommings on Green. We were talking about individual comparisions, and you didn't have an arguement, did you?

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 11:09 AM
I really wish these debates would end, now that both players are probably going to be elsewhere in 2007, but I'll say it one last time:

The Broncos got to the playoffs and won DESPITE Jake Plummer.

I don't know about that, he had a very good season in 2005, with limited offensive weaponry. In fact, wasn't he voted to the Pro Bowl that year?

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:10 AM
at the beginning of any of the past five years and even to next year, if I had a choice of Green or Plummer, I would pick Green.


Make a case against me.

htismaqe
03-02-2007, 11:11 AM
Since you are so determined to defend his honor, I'm assuming that you are his current fling?

I'm not defending anybody.

I'm attacking your stupid ass.

There's an obvious difference to those of us here that don't eat their own toenails.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 11:11 AM
Since you are so determined to defend his honor, I'm assuming that you are his current fling?

Calling Gochiefs a troll is like me going over to the mane and saying TJ or Garcia or SoCal is a troll.

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 11:11 AM
This thread is awesome...

Grabbing popcorn and waiting the next slavo of attacks.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 11:11 AM
so you are attributing your teams success all on plummer????

your even dummer than you act/post wise.

I would never attribute all my teams shortcommings on Green. We were talking about individual comparisions, and you didn't have an arguement, did you?

Did I say that? Now, if I would have said "Plummer carried the 2005 team all on his own play, and got them to the AFC Championship Game" then you could post something like this. But your comment that Plummer has never done anything better than Green is downright comical. You guys have a hugely overinflated opinion of Green, IMO.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 11:12 AM
Denver's record (3 years prior to 2006) of 33-15 with 3 playoff appearances, 1 win and a trip to the AFC title game were not all because we had Plummer.

However, Plummer played well just as often as he played poorly. The poor efforts stand out more, but the success was a "team" effort.

The failure was also a "team" effort. Everyone wants to point to the playoff losses and say Plummer was the reason. I'd also like to introduce you to the defensive failures in those big games as well.

I like Plummer's attitude and his determination... I wish he wasn't error-prone, but he definitely turned things around for himself in Denver compared to the AZ years.

I don't see how anyone can deny that at all.

Wins, yards, TD vs INTs... everything improved for Jake in Denver and he's a better player for it. We'll see what happens with him in Tampa.

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 11:13 AM
I really wouldnt think any Chiefs fan would talk smack until we win a playoff game or at least show up some what competative in our last one...

Besides, we have Hern ****ING Edwards as our coach, we have lost all rights to talk smack.

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:15 AM
Did I say that? Now, if I would have said "Plummer carried the 2005 team all on his own play, and got them to the AFC Championship Game" then you could post something like this. But your comment that Plummer has never done anything better than Green is downright comical. You guys have a hugely overinflated opinion of Green, IMO.


YES YOU DID!!!!!!



I'm having trouble remembering when Green got the Chiefs to the AFC Championship game...or won a playoff game, for that matter. Can you help me out?

Jake did that with a RBBC, an aging WR, and crappy TE's.



MMMMMM, Have you even graduated High school yet? Just here to practice you debate skills? STFU

Dicky McElephant
03-02-2007, 11:16 AM
I just read that Plummer nixed the trade....and is now retiring.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 11:16 AM
I'm not defending anybody.

I'm attacking your stupid ass.

There's an obvious difference to those of us here that don't eat their own toenails.

Wow, man. Are you hung over this morning?

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:18 AM
Denver's record (3 years prior to 2006) of 33-15 with 3 playoff appearances, 1 win and a trip to the AFC title game were not all because we had Plummer.

However, Plummer played well just as often as he played poorly. The poor efforts stand out more, but the success was a "team" effort.

The failure was also a "team" effort. Everyone wants to point to the playoff losses and say Plummer was the reason. I'd also like to introduce you to the defensive failures in those big games as well.

I like Plummer's attitude and his determination... I wish he wasn't error-prone, but he definitely turned things around for himself in Denver compared to the AZ years.

I don't see how anyone can deny that at all.

Wins, yards, TD vs INTs... everything improved for Jake in Denver and he's a better player for it. We'll see what happens with him in Tampa.



Now here's a donkey fan's opinion I can agree with, Jake is a better player on the donkey team than he was on the cardinal team.

BUT

that's not the issue with steve, it is about a QB comparision, again I say, it fell on deaf ears the first time I guess, pick one to start on your team, who do you pick? over the last five years, last year and next year, I would still pick Green. Tell me why I shouldn't.

Woodrow Call
03-02-2007, 11:18 AM
I just read that Plummer nixed the trade....and is now retiring.

ROFL Jake sticks it to Denver one more time.

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 11:18 AM
Thanks Jake, dick

Garcia Bronco
03-02-2007, 11:18 AM
I think he'll do well in Tampa. If all the conditions were the same and Jake played in the NFC the last 4 years...he would have gone to several Super Bowls

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 11:19 AM
Hahaha. That would be so amusing if Plummer really does retire. No pick for you!

Dicky McElephant
03-02-2007, 11:19 AM
Someone on another message board said that he saw it on NFL Network breaking news......I'm at work so I can't confirm it.

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 11:20 AM
Someone on another message board said that he saw it on NFL Network breaking news......I'm at work so I can't confirm it.

It's there, I saw it.

Steve Sewell
03-02-2007, 11:20 AM
YES YOU DID!!!!!!







MMMMMM, Have you even graduated High school yet? Just here to practice you debate skills? STFU

That's YOUR interpretation of my comments...but usually QB play has a little bit to do with a team's overall success, wouldn't you say?

You said that Plummer hasn't ever done anything better than Green, and my response was basically, WTF has Green done that is so special compared to what Plummer did in Denver.

Ebolapox
03-02-2007, 11:20 AM
I just read that Plummer nixed the trade....and is now retiring.

link?

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/NewLink2.jpg">

bronco610
03-02-2007, 11:20 AM
Was Jake worth what we got? Dont know.
Is Trent at this stage of his career worth more? Dont know.
With CP pulling the strings in your front office will it end up being a good deal for the Chiefs? No chance.

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 11:22 AM
Thanks Jake, dick

He's a dick for not wanting to move halfway across the country to play for a shitty team?

Dicky McElephant
03-02-2007, 11:22 AM
link?

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/NewLink2.jpg">


It was on NFL Network.....someone else saw it....so I can't confirm it.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 11:22 AM
I really wouldnt think any Chiefs fan would talk smack until we win a playoff game or at least show up some what competative in our last one...

Besides, we have Hern ****ING Edwards as our coach, we have lost all rights to talk smack.

I have to agree that is why I don't talk smack plus I suck at it

Dicky McElephant
03-02-2007, 11:23 AM
You know your team is bad when Jake the Snake doesn't want to play for you.

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:23 AM
That's YOUR interpretation of my comments...but usually QB play has a little bit to do with a team's overall success, wouldn't you say?

You said that Plummer hasn't ever done anything better than Green, and my response was basically, WTF has Green done that is so special compared to what Plummer did in Denver.


You still missed the question, I've asked twice.

Green or Plummer from 2002 - next year. they are the only two you can choose from to start for your team, who do you choose and why.....

BucEyedPea
03-02-2007, 11:24 AM
He's a dick for not wanting to move halfway across the country to play for a shitty team?
Hey! Watch your language! :p

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 11:24 AM
LMAO If that is true Plummer is my new hero

Wile_E_Coyote
03-02-2007, 11:24 AM
Adam Schefter NFL Network & ESPN-Jake will retire
http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=137051

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 11:25 AM
So if Plunger Nix's the Trade, can we delete this thread?

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 11:25 AM
Hey! Watch your language! :p

You must be thrilled that Plummer is retiring. :)

shrek6849
03-02-2007, 11:25 AM
That MF'er did retire. Sigh.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 11:25 AM
Adam Schefter NFL Network & ESPN
http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=137051

LMAO

ROFL

Garcia Bronco
03-02-2007, 11:26 AM
LOL...good luck Plummer.

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:26 AM
So if Plunger Nix's the Trade, can we delete this thread?


:clap:

Woodrow Call
03-02-2007, 11:26 AM
That MF'er did retire. Sigh.
:) ROFL :clap: :LOL: LMAO :p

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 11:27 AM
Yessir...Jake intercepted the Broncos plan to trade him Tampa Bay...how fitting is that?

CosmicPal
03-02-2007, 11:28 AM
Trade Trent to them now. The fact Jake retired ought to sweeten the deal for Green.

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 11:28 AM
Does this mean the at Bronchos Trolls will migrate back to the OMANGE?

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:28 AM
Yessir...Jake intercepted the Broncos plan to trade him Tampa Bay...how fitting is that?


nice play on words.....

:clap:

shrek6849
03-02-2007, 11:29 AM
God. He flipped the bird to the fans in that famous picture. Now he is doing it to the fans and the organization.

I can't help but laugh, though. LMAO

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 11:29 AM
Trent's value just went up...thanks Jake!

Ebolapox
03-02-2007, 11:29 AM
ROFL

that's awesome

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:29 AM
Trade Trent to them now. The fact Jake retired ought to sweeten the deal for Green.



Boom, I agreeeeeeeeeeeee

but try for a third just to piss off the donk fans even more:)

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 11:30 AM
Well, if true... that certainly sucks.

Stinger
03-02-2007, 11:31 AM
tampa trades for Jake plummer

And the crowd at Pile-High and the Mange chant:

IN-COM-PLETE


ROFL ROFL

DBroncos4life
03-02-2007, 11:32 AM
Trent's value just went up...thanks Jake!
Lots of teams will trade for old QBs that can't move. Oh wait Brad Johnson and Drew Bledsoe are out there so.....

Wile_E_Coyote
03-02-2007, 11:32 AM
I got the impression Jake was a major prick. Not just because he was a Bronco...

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 11:34 AM
Ok, so aside from the Bucs board... is there a link or anything supporting this?

BucEyedPea
03-02-2007, 11:34 AM
You must be thrilled that Plummer is retiring. :)
I've had hardly time to even think about it. I just got here and began the thread ...by the time I got to this part he's retired. That was fast.

Brock
03-02-2007, 11:34 AM
Ha haaaaaa.....Jake f*cks the Broncos one last time.

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 11:34 AM
If I was Jake, I would take my money, marry that hottie he was dating and roll on into the sunset.

I would just chill out and enjoy life...

HerculesRockefell
03-02-2007, 11:35 AM
God this is funny. I hope Jake isn't in Dodge right now, they are going to be some pissed off people looking for a guy who looks like a bum driving a Honda Element.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 11:36 AM
Wow, just saw the ticker on NFLN... very interesting.

Well, what can you do. Either way he was gone... cut, nullified trade. Whatever.

DBroncos4life
03-02-2007, 11:38 AM
atleast we own his ass for three more years. :cuss:

CosmicPal
03-02-2007, 11:40 AM
Damn...if he loathes the Broncos this badly, maybe we ought to pull him out of retirement for a league minimum.



Oh wait, this is Jake Plummer we're talking about.

Never mind.

DomCasual
03-02-2007, 11:41 AM
I'm not defending anybody.

I'm attacking your stupid ass.

There's an obvious difference to those of us here that don't eat their own toenails.

There are people that don't eat their own toenails?

Seriously?

What about when you eat something that gets stuck in your teeth? What do you do - just leave it there to rot?

Cretin.

vailpass
03-02-2007, 11:46 AM
If I was Jake, I would take my money, get a pre-nup and continue to monkey-**** that hottie he was dating and roll on into the sunset.

I would just chill out and enjoy life...

We just about see eye-to-eye RR, I had to make one slight adjustment though....

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 11:46 AM
This is awesome Jake just gave the finger to the Rat

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 11:47 AM
Ah well, it was a nice idea...

Count Alex's Losses
03-02-2007, 11:48 AM
I hope Jake writes a book. I bet he has some interesting tales to tell.

dirk digler
03-02-2007, 11:49 AM
Ah well, it was a nice idea...

I am laughing now but I won't be if Trent does the same thing if we trade him

Frazod
03-02-2007, 11:55 AM
I never thought Plummet was a bad guy.

But now I really like him.

ROFL

Finally, some Donx misfortune that I can actually enjoy.

Mile High Mania
03-02-2007, 11:55 AM
Yeah, it's a comical situation and he's getting the last laugh of sorts.

crazycoffey
03-02-2007, 11:57 AM
I am laughing now but I won't be if Trent does the same thing if we trade him


I know, that's in the back of all our minds. BUT different relationships, different personalities between the involved parties.

CP (Despite his flaws) is actually a pretty good personel guy. He supposed to be meeting with Trent to get his input on what to do next. It probably is to see if he's interested in Miami before they announce the terms of the trade, or if he really wants to stay in KC..... My two pennies.

Chiefnj
03-02-2007, 12:02 PM
A team wouldn't trade for Trent until he agrees to a new contract, so the chances of a similar situation are very unlikely.

Reerun_KC
03-02-2007, 12:11 PM
We just about see eye-to-eye RR, I had to make one slight adjustment though....


Ah, typical guy thinking with wrong head.

Thanks for the correction

Stinger
03-02-2007, 12:14 PM
ROFL ROFL at the Mange. Nicely done Taco

King_Chief_Fan
03-02-2007, 12:20 PM
And the crowd at Pile-High and the Mange chant:

IN-COM-PLETE


ROFL ROFL

rep!!!

Frazod
03-02-2007, 01:12 PM
I am laughing now but I won't be if Trent does the same thing if we trade him

I actually WANT Trent to retire - for his own good. He's a good guy, and he's done enough for us. It's not his fault we pissed away three seasons of championship caliber play because we had absolutely no defense. I don't want to see him end up a vegetable the next time he gets Geathered.

While I recognize that he's pretty much done, and it is in the team's best to trade him and get some value, it's still a shitty thing to do. Trent deserves better.

I hope he just plain quits and heads for the nearest broadcoast booth.