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Woodrow Call
03-03-2007, 01:10 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/16823747.htm

Chiefs bring in lineman

Former K-State Wildcat Damion McIntosh, a starter at left tackle in Miami, is the first free agent to visit.

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Protecting their quarterback — whomever he might be — emerged as the free-agent priority for the Chiefs.

Their first and only visitor on the first day of free-agency Friday was Miami offensive tackle Damion McIntosh, who played in college at Kansas State. McIntosh, a six-year starter at left tackle with the Chargers and the Dolphins and an unrestricted free agent, would presumably replace Jordan Black.

Black started at left tackle for the Chiefs last season but is an unrestricted free agent.

The Chiefs expressed their interest in other players, including Minnesota linebacker Napoleon Harris, Cleveland defensive tackle Alvin McKinley and Miami running back Sammy Morris.

Harris, a middle linebacker, was to arrive in Kansas City for a visit on Sunday. He could replace Kawika Mitchell, who also is an unrestricted free agent.

Coach Herm Edwards wouldn’t confirm the Chiefs’ interest in any particular player. He only indicated the Chiefs would be shopping.

“We’ve got some guys circled who we feel can come in and help us,” he said. “Now it’s just a matter of what the choking point is. You’re not going to mortgage your football team on any player.”

That McIntosh was the Chiefs’ first free-agent visitor reflects their concern about the state of their offensive line and left tackle in particular. The Chiefs, playing without the retired Willie Roaf, frequently struggled with their pass blocking last year.

They began the season with Kyle Turley as their left tackle, the player who protects the quarterback’s blind side and usually faces the opponent’s best pass rusher. Turley had missed the previous two seasons with back problems, and injuries forced him out of the lineup by the season’s third game.

The Chiefs then used Black, who played better than they expected. They still privately have acknowledged Black was out of position and is probably better suited to playing guard.

McIntosh, San Diego’s third-round draft pick in 2000, could help provide some stability to an otherwise uncertain offensive line. Guard Will Shields and center Casey Wiegmann are considering retirement.

The Chiefs had no stability last season at right tackle. They are hopeful Chris Terry, who signed at midseason, will provide some security at the position next season.

Edwards, in his first public comments since the Chiefs re-signed Damon Huard this week, revealed little about his plans at quarterback.

“It’s real simple,” Edwards said in explanation. “His contract was up. He’s a guy we wanted back in the program. It doesn’t say anything about anybody (else). We wanted him back, and he wanted to come back. It was what you do.”

The signing would seem to force the departure of Trent Green. The Chiefs also have Brodie Croyle, last year’s third-round draft pick.

The Chiefs have yet to ask Green to reduce his scheduled base salary of $7.2 million. They recently offered him to other teams in a trade.

Edwards indicated the Chiefs might be willing to keep Green.

“There’s a place here for all of our players,” he said. “It’s just a matter of where they fit. That’s going to be talked about and discussed. When we signed Damon, everyone threw up this big red flag: ‘What does this mean (for Green?)’ It doesn’t mean anything. (Huard) was a guy we wanted to bring back. He’s been a good quarterback. He’s won some football games for us.”

The Chiefs have eight unrestricted and seven restricted free agents who were free on Friday to begin shopping themselves around. Starting defensive tackle Ron Edwards was in Cleveland meeting with the Browns.

Defensive end Jared Allen, a restricted free agent, is able to pursue the trade he wanted from the Chiefs. But his agent, Ken Harris, said doing so would be pointless because any team Allen signed with would owe the Chiefs first- and third-round draft picks.

“Just today, I had two general managers say to me that he’s their top free-agent defensive end in the NFL right now,” Harris said. “But as soon as they said that, they pointed out that nobody ever gives up first- and third-round picks for a restricted free agent. Their point is, why should they give up first- and third-round picks now when they can get him next year (with no compensation)? So it is what it is. It doesn’t happen, and (the Chiefs) know that.”

Harris acknowledged Allen had little option but to eventually accept the $2.35 million, one-year contract the Chiefs have offered and play in Kansas City next season. He said he would talk with other clubs in hope of attracting an offer next year when Allen would be unrestricted.

“We’re going to take this window of time and do an early road show,” Harris said. “He’s not under contract right now, so between now and the time he signs that tender, we can talk to any team we want in preparation for next year.”

Harris took issue with reports he based his contract request on comparisons between Allen and Miami defensive end Jason Taylor, generally considered one of the top defensive players.

“I don’t know why anyone is basing what we asked for on Jason Taylor,” Harris said. “We put together an initial comparison of stats with 17 defensive ends. Taylor was included in that. Then we broke it up into some subgroups and Taylor was included in that. I don’t know why his name is coming up when we used so many players and even focused so much more on others than him.”


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Buck
03-03-2007, 01:11 AM
He sucks, sorry.

Woodrow Call
03-03-2007, 01:11 AM
He sucks, sorry.

Worse than Black, Sampson, Turley, Welbourn?

Buck
03-03-2007, 01:13 AM
Worse than Black, Sampson, Turley, Welbourn?

He sucked in SD, thats all I know.

Guru
03-03-2007, 01:14 AM
Is he better than PC?

noa
03-03-2007, 01:15 AM
No thanks

Guru
03-03-2007, 01:22 AM
http://www.lovethepod.com/images/macPC.JPG

Tribal Warfare
03-03-2007, 01:32 AM
http://www.lovethepod.com/images/macPC.JPG


all hail the kings douchebag

Pushead2
03-03-2007, 04:47 AM
He wasn't great with SD but he was good for Miami. He wasn't over-dominate but he was still pretty good.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-03-2007, 04:53 AM
I love second tier players.

We're all used to them.

jspchief
03-03-2007, 06:11 AM
He sucks, sorry.Of course he does.

Left tackles don't hit the market unless they suck. It's just like QBs.

MGRS13
03-03-2007, 06:36 AM
He sucks, sorry.
Sucks, get used to that word, it's what the chargers will be doing all year. You better pray every day LT doesn't end up on the cover of Madden.

HMc
03-03-2007, 06:48 AM
This can't be true, Carl is on vacation

/Reerun_KC

HMc
03-03-2007, 06:51 AM
What did the Cheifs have to give up to get Willie Roaf?

I ask because everyone says teams hold onto their QBs and LTs but the saints were prepared to part ways with him. Andhe still had 3 solid seasons left. Right now i'd give up a 3rd round pick for the best LT for 3 years.

MGRS13
03-03-2007, 06:54 AM
What did the Chiefs have to give up to get Willie Roaf?

I ask because everyone says teams hold onto their QBs and LTs but the saints were prepared to part ways with him. Andhe still had 3 solid seasons left. Right now i'd give up a 3rd round pick for the best LT for 3 years.
well first you have toget joe horn to **** that persons wife.

Reaper16
03-03-2007, 07:02 AM
well first you have toget joe horn to **** that persons wife.
It just so happens that he's a free agent. A mercenary for hire, of sorts.

... Phase One: complete. Mwahaha

Reerun_KC
03-03-2007, 07:07 AM
This can't be true, Carl is on vacation

/Reerun_KC

http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2005/113-2/crybaby.jpg

/HMc

MGRS13
03-03-2007, 07:11 AM
It just so happens that he's a free agent. A mercenary for hire, of sorts.

... Phase One: complete. Mwahaha
Get him signed in Seattle quick. Hey Joe this is mrs. Walter Jones wanna take her to the store real quick.

Reaper16
03-03-2007, 07:36 AM
I thought the second part of the article was interesting, too. Allen's agent is really trying to talk his dick size up lately.

Manila-Chief
03-03-2007, 07:44 AM
It just so happens that he's a free agent. A mercenary for hire, of sorts.

... Phase One: complete. Mwahaha

And it's not like we signed him ... they only brought him to K.C. that's a long ways from him being signed sealed and delivered.

But, they better sign a F.A. coz Kingless' history reveals he can't draft a LT ... well, I guess he did select Tait but then made him so mad he left ... but he ended up as a RT with us.

HMc
03-03-2007, 07:48 AM
And it's not like we signed him ... they only brought him to K.C. that's a long ways from him being signed sealed and delivered.

But, they better sign a F.A. coz Kingless' history reveals he can't draft a LT ... well, I guess he did select Tait but then made him so mad he left ... but he ended up as a RT with us.

He's talking about Horn

Reaper16
03-03-2007, 07:48 AM
And it's not like we signed him ... they only brought him to K.C. that's a long ways from him being signed sealed and delivered.

But, they better sign a F.A. coz Kingless' history reveals he can't draft a LT ... well, I guess he did select Tait but then made him so mad he left ... but he ended up as a RT with us.
The post you quoted was made in reference to getting Joe Horn to sleep with a top-flight LT's wife...

PunkinDrublic
03-03-2007, 08:11 AM
I thought the second part of the article was interesting, too. Allen's agent is really trying to talk his dick size up lately.

I totally agree. Allens agent sounds like a real piece of shit. I have a feeling Harris maybe saying a lot of shit to Jared that is making him turn against the Chiefs. That would certainly explain the 180 change of attitude he has had.

Halfcan
03-03-2007, 08:36 AM
Yawn, wow I didn't think I could care abot the Chiefs any less right now.

CupidStunt
03-03-2007, 08:38 AM
Yawn, wow I didn't think I could care abot the Chiefs any less right now.

Then STFU and stay out of threads about them?

Halfcan
03-03-2007, 08:47 AM
Then STFU and stay out of threads about them?


blow me :)

Halfcan
03-03-2007, 08:48 AM
Point is-every scrub the Chiefs bring in is treated like big news.

Pushead2
03-03-2007, 08:58 AM
Point is-every scrub the Chiefs bring in is treated like big news.

One teams trash is another teams gold. Theres nothing that says if brought into another system the person can't flurish.

shaneo69
03-03-2007, 09:23 AM
Their first and only visitor on the first day of free-agency Friday was Miami offensive tackle Damion McIntosh, who played in college at Kansas State. McIntosh, a six-year starter at left tackle with the Chargers and the Dolphins and an unrestricted free agent, would presumably replace Jordan Black.

Pathetic.

Smed1065
03-03-2007, 09:30 AM
It might be but at least CP is working in our favor, if he ever leaves. I hope we sign week 3 and beyond players and clear cap room for when we actually need it.

Like a 40 million dollar player will play offense, defense and special teams if we sign them this year.

Time for a different philosophy after the last 5 years. We did not get in this situation in one year and will not climb out in one year!

acesn8s
03-03-2007, 09:34 AM
Whew! and I thought that we would never replace Roaf. :sarcasm:

htismaqe
03-03-2007, 10:23 AM
Regardless of what anybody wants to say, McIntosh IS better than Jordan Black.

And he's better than Leonard Davis too.

ChiefsCountry
03-03-2007, 10:27 AM
Stop gap player until we can draft an OT. It would be an upgrade and we dont need Brodie, Trent, Huard, LJ, Bennett, whoever we have on offense getting killed.

By the way Roaf was coming off an injury when we got him from the Saints.

noa
03-03-2007, 10:28 AM
Regardless of what anybody wants to say, McIntosh IS better than Jordan Black.

And he's better than Leonard Davis too.


Well, your opinion differs with a lot of other analysis I've read out there. I'm not saying you're wrong or even that it means much, but I've consistently seen McIntosh lower on free agent lists than Black, or even Kevin Sampson for that matter.

htismaqe
03-03-2007, 10:29 AM
Well, your opinion differs with a lot of other analysis I've read out there. I'm not saying you're wrong or even that it means much, but I've consistently seen McIntosh lower on free agent lists than Black, or even Kevin Sampson for that matter.

Anybody that thinks Black is better than ANYONE is on crack.

The guy was the worst left tackle in the league and he has the stats to prove it.

noa
03-03-2007, 10:32 AM
Anybody that thinks Black is better than ANYONE is on crack.

The guy was the worst left tackle in the league and he has the stats to prove it.


I know it, but I think "experts" are enticed by Black's ability to play multiple positions (even he's only good at guard) and by his youth.

Here's the ESPN free agent rankings. You can see that they have both Black and Sampson ahead of McIntosh. I wouldn't put ANY stock in this web page, but I just wanted to show you that there are people out there who honestly think Black is the better prospect.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa

htismaqe
03-03-2007, 10:35 AM
I know it, but I think "experts" are enticed by Black's ability to play multiple positions (even he's only good at guard) and by his youth.

He actually might be a decent guard. But a left tackle, he is not.

As for the age thing, McIntosh is only 3 years older than Black.

EDIT: Oh, I believe you. It just goes to show you that the talking heads at ESPN don't watch the Chiefs...

ChiefsCountry
03-03-2007, 10:42 AM
Fatbelly has McIntosh higher than Black
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2784447

Buck
03-03-2007, 10:45 AM
Sucks, get used to that word, it's what the chargers will be doing all year. You better pray every day LT doesn't end up on the cover of Madden.
Wow, you are a sports genius. Remind me to get all my fantasy advice from you next season.

MGRS13
03-03-2007, 11:51 AM
Wow, you are a sports genius. Remind me to get all my fantasy advice from you next season.
Smart enough to know you fired a head coach ten times better then the idiot your team hired.

Buck
03-03-2007, 11:54 AM
Smart enough to know you fired a head coach ten times better then the idiot your team hired.
Do you truly believe the Chargers are going to suck next year? If you do, then you are a dope.

MGRS13
03-03-2007, 12:01 PM
Do you truly believe the Chargers are going to suck next year? If you do, then you are a dope.
I truly believe the Chargers are going to have a lot of issues next year. Don't believe for a second they won't miss Marty. I hope you aren't printing your superbowl tickets, unless of course you want to see Brady and the boys win another one.

Buck
03-03-2007, 12:03 PM
I truly believe the Chargers are going to have a lot of issues next year. Don't believe for a second they won't miss Marty. I hope you aren't printing your superbowl tickets, unless of course you want to see Brady and the boys win another one.
I never even hinted at us going to the super bowl. You said we are going to suck a lot next year. I'm just defending my team.

MGRS13
03-03-2007, 12:10 PM
I never even hinted at us going to the super bowl. You said we are going to suck a lot next year. I'm just defending my team.
9 or 10 wins no victorys in the post season though, so sorta sucks, trust me I'm a chiefs fan you might have a fun time during the season but come late Jan. you'll look back and say the season sucked. The chiefs made it as far as the chargers did this year and I still think the season sorta sucked. Eye of the beholder I guess.

Woodrow Call
03-03-2007, 12:26 PM
Anyone know much about Alvin McKinley?

milkman
03-03-2007, 01:31 PM
EDIT: Oh, I believe you. It just goes to show you that the talking heads at ESPN don't watch the Chiefs...

There's a news flash.

But I can't say that I blame them.

SNR
03-03-2007, 02:23 PM
Anyone know much about Alvin McKinley?Nothing, other than I heard Carl once talk about his next genious plan, and that McKinley is the next important piece to begin his Brownification of the Chiefs.

shaneo69
03-03-2007, 09:22 PM
Regardless of what anybody wants to say, McIntosh IS better than Jordan Black.

And he's better than Leonard Davis too.

With Shields about to retire, Black could be our RG for the next 8 years. Huge mistake IMO to only look at his potential as a LT and let him walk as a result of that kind of evaluation. I'd much rather have Black at RG next year than 'roid boy, who's one more positive test away from being banned for a year or longer. Bober's not the future at RG either, and I'm a little skeptical as to whether Stallings is ready to step in.

htismaqe
03-03-2007, 09:33 PM
With Shields about to retire, Black could be our RG for the next 8 years. Huge mistake IMO to only look at his potential as a LT and let him walk as a result of that kind of evaluation. I'd much rather have Black at RG next year than 'roid boy, who's one more positive test away from being banned for a year or longer. Bober's not the future at RG either, and I'm a little skeptical as to whether Stallings is ready to step in.

The problem is that Black played LEFT TACKLE last year and you can bet your ass that his agent is looking for LEFT TACKLE money.

Let him walk, test the market, and if everybody passes, bring him back at BACKUP GUARD money.

Douche Baggins
03-03-2007, 09:35 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs draft Blalock to play RG.

htismaqe
03-03-2007, 09:38 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs draft Blalock to play RG.

There's gonna be some good guards available in this draft without resorting to using a 1st-round pick on one, IMO...

Douche Baggins
03-03-2007, 09:40 PM
There's gonna be some good guards available in this draft without resorting to using a 1st-round pick on one, IMO...

Maybe, just seems to me like Blalock could be a real stud at RG.

htismaqe
03-03-2007, 09:41 PM
Maybe, just seems to me like Blalock could be a real stud at RG.

I guess I'd just hate for us to take Blalock if a guy like Jarrett or Willis is there...

Douche Baggins
03-03-2007, 09:44 PM
I guess I'd just hate for us to take Blalock if a guy like Jarrett or Willis is there...

Definitely...but if those guys are off the board, Blalock would make sense, and would be good value at that pick.

cdcox
03-03-2007, 09:45 PM
You can get a G in the 3rd round or later (ie Will Shields). I'd love to get Jarret. He's a real football player. If we reach for a DT when there is a legitimate first round talent at WR on the board...

htismaqe
03-03-2007, 09:46 PM
Here's a guy that will likely go late 3rd/early 4th.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/marshalyanda.html

Reminds me ALOT of Eric Steinbach when he played at Iowa.

shaneo69
03-03-2007, 10:07 PM
Never never never never ever take a OG in the 1st round. I don't care if it's a future HOF'er like Will Shields. They're not playmakers and they're only as good as the other four guys next to them, not to mention the QB who has to cooperate and get rid of the ball on time.