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nychief
03-06-2007, 12:10 PM
Chiefs agree to terms with free-agent LB Harris
By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs and unrestricted free agent linebacker Napoleon Harris agreed to terms this morning on a six-year contract.

Financial details were unavailable. Some still were being finalized.

The Chiefs plan to use Harris, a five-year NFL veteran with the Raiders and Vikings, as their starting middle linebacker. He would replace Kawika Mitchell, an unrestricted free agent.

The Chiefs may try to re-sign Mitchell, who has yet to make any free-agent visits. The Chiefs were discussing whether to move Mitchell to outside linebacker even before they signed Harris.

The 6-feet-2, 255-pound Harris was Oakland’s first-round draft pick in 2002. He went to the Vikings in the trade that sent Randy Moss to Oakland.

He visited with Tampa Bay before arriving for his visit in Kansas City.

For more on this story, see Wednesday’s editions of Sports Daily.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 12:11 PM
Great move. Very pleased. Great offseason so far IMO.

Iowanian
03-06-2007, 12:11 PM
He's quicker and should be an improvement as a cover 2 Mike.

....If he only had some DTs to keep the Guard's off of him.

chagrin
03-06-2007, 12:12 PM
Nice, I hope he does well, how was he in Minnesota? I know he went there with alot ofexcitement, but I don't recall hearing his name too often.

nychief
03-06-2007, 12:12 PM
I am surprised we got it done. I hope this kid can turn around his career.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 12:13 PM
i just hope we didn't pay a fortune

Bowser
03-06-2007, 12:13 PM
Excellent move. Look forward to seeing how he is at middle in Cover 2.

Now, do we resign Mitchell and put him outside, or bring Donnie Edwards back for his curtain call?

Bowser
03-06-2007, 12:14 PM
i just hope we didn't pay a fortune

Thanks, Carl.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 12:15 PM
I am surprised we got it done. I hope this kid can turn around his career.

If he can simply maintain it, we're a lot better off than we have been.

chagrin
03-06-2007, 12:15 PM
Just a thought, why didn't we go after Brian Simmons? He only had a salary of 3.3 this year, probably got Harris because he was cheaper

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 12:15 PM
Just FYI, not sure if anyone realizes because a lot of comments imply otherwise, but Harris played in a cover-2 defense last year. I'm about to dig up some Viking fan comments from the actual season (so there's bitter-type comments) and I'll post some thoughts, both for and against him.

nychief
03-06-2007, 12:16 PM
Excellent move. Look forward to seeing how he is at middle in Cover 2.

Now, do we resign Mitchell and put him outside, or bring Donnie Edwards back for his curtain call?


I have a feeling we are going to bring back Edwards. He and TG might want to ride off into the sunset together. I would be happy with either tho...

Bowser
03-06-2007, 12:17 PM
Just FYI, not sure if anyone realizes because a lot of comments imply otherwise, but Harris played in a cover-2 defense last year. I'm about to dig up some Viking fan comments from the actual season (so there's bitter-type comments) and I'll post some thoughts, both for and against him.

Was it a true Cover 2 defense, or some type of hybrid? I keep thinking Minny played a ton of man-to-man.

shaneo69
03-06-2007, 12:19 PM
Well, they led the league in run defense last year, so that's always a good thing if you're a MLB. And he played for Tomlin, who coached the Tampa scheme. Guess he fits. Can't be any worse than Kawika was last year.

Of course, this is where FA LB's come to die.

StcChief
03-06-2007, 12:20 PM
Good move. Interesting how Mitchell/D.Edwards play out

chagrin
03-06-2007, 12:20 PM
All I know is he got 52 total tackles last year, not solo, total. This after a year of 25 tackles (don't know if he was injured or not) he sure started his career out pretty well, first two years.

noa
03-06-2007, 12:21 PM
He went to my alma mater. I've always rooted for the guy. Unfortunately, Luis Castillo also went to my alma mater, so its hard to root against him even though he's a Charger.

Iowanian
03-06-2007, 12:21 PM
Minn was very tough vs the run last year, has an excellent Dline and has spent some high draft picks on LBs the past couple of seasons. I think those young LBs are the reason Minn found him expendable.

dirk digler
03-06-2007, 12:22 PM
My initial reaction is that I like this move but I will need to know more about how Harris played in Minnesota before I decide.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-06-2007, 12:22 PM
He's quicker and should be an improvement as a cover 2 Mike.

....If he only had some DTs to keep the Guard's off of him.

So far it looks as if we're going to play 07 without any competent DTs.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 12:22 PM
Here's a poll early in the season with quite a few contributions: http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183015&highlight=Harris

"What a game by him yesterday. I'm wondering what everyone thinks about this guy as our starting MLB this season after 2 games, because he looked solid against the Redskins as well."

"Through two games, Nap Harris has performed at a level higher than any LB we have has since Ed McDaniel."

Others:

"Harris and Henderson were all over the field as well,"

On EJ Henderson and Harris: "Does it strike anyone that these guys are really similar? Both have excelled against the run, are excellent inside blitzers, both are shaky but improved in coverage."

"These Three have not been the weakness that everyone anticipated.
I am simply liking Nap Harris and Ben Leber. If we could just teach old EJ to cover a TE or RB I think we would be on to something."

"Our LBs have surprised with their quality of play. Harris especially, many thought he would be cut."

dirk digler
03-06-2007, 12:23 PM
FYI - the Vikes were last in the league against the pass last year and #1 against the run

Direckshun
03-06-2007, 12:24 PM
I give our offseason a B so far.

Both players will elevate this team. Not yet into contention, but we've put a quick, solid fix on two positions that would be roadblocks to going back to the postseason.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 12:24 PM
Seems consensus from reading is that Harris is very, very good against the run and can seriously get after the passer but needs a little work in the coverage area.

Sam Hall
03-06-2007, 12:25 PM
Here comes the false hope in 3, 2, 1...

Chiefs Pantalones
03-06-2007, 12:26 PM
HARRIS IS TEH SAVIORE!!111!1!11

Brock
03-06-2007, 12:27 PM
I can't believe how much they overspent for this guy.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 12:27 PM
All I know is he got 52 total tackles last year, not solo, total. This after a year of 25 tackles (don't know if he was injured or not) he sure started his career out pretty well, first two years.
he's been a underachiever most of of his career

Defensive Stats
Year Team --- G Tkl Ast Sck Int Yd Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2002 Raiders 15 081 59 22 .5 _00 00 0.0 00 00 02
2003 Raiders 16 107 74 33 02 _00 00 0.0 00 00 02
2004 Raiders 14 061 47 14 00 _00 00 0.0 00 00 01
2005 Vikings 15 025 18 07 01 _00 00 0.0 00 00 03
2006 Vikings 14 059 42 17 2.5_03 20 6.7 11 00 01

Sam Hall
03-06-2007, 12:27 PM
HARRIS IS TEH SAVIORE!!111!1!11

Poor Chiefs fan :)

noa
03-06-2007, 12:27 PM
I just bought my S.B. tix

dirk digler
03-06-2007, 12:27 PM
I can't believe how much they overspent for this guy.

Thanks Mecca

Bowser
03-06-2007, 12:27 PM
Here comes the false hope in 3, 2, 1...

Print 'em.

RedThat
03-06-2007, 12:28 PM
Minn was very tough vs the run last year, has an excellent Dline and has spent some high draft picks on LBs the past couple of seasons. I think those young LBs are the reason Minn found him expendable.

I think part of the reason, well actually a big reason, why they were great against the run last year was Pat Williams.

Woodrow Call
03-06-2007, 12:28 PM
I love this move. I have been a Harris homer since his days at Northwestern and I am excited to see him in the red and gold.

He is an upgrade at either MLB or OLB depending on what is done the rest of the offseason

Great start to the offseason.

ChiefsCountry
03-06-2007, 12:29 PM
Chiefs have made two solid free agent signings. Nothing to make ESPN headlines or break the bank, fill a couple of holes. Harris is still young enough that it wont hurt the youth movement.

BIG_DADDY
03-06-2007, 12:29 PM
It just doesn't matter. Herm is still coaching right?

Chiefs Pantalones
03-06-2007, 12:30 PM
I love this move. I have been a Harris homer since his days at Northwestern and I am excited to see him in the red and gold.

He is an upgrade at either MLB or OLB depending on what is done the rest of the offseason

Great start to the offseason.

FORGIV THYE' HARRIS, HE KNOWETH KNOT WAHT HE DOZ. HE IS TEH SORY FOR PLAYNG WITH DA RADIERS, HE WIL STOPP UNDERACHEVING WITH DA CHEIFS!!111!!

crazycoffey
03-06-2007, 12:30 PM
Seems consensus from reading is that Harris is very, very good against the run and can seriously get after the passer but needs a little work in the coverage area.

I want to know the money, he should cost us less than KM would have and even if his coverage came under question with vik fans last year, I am sure he's better than KM at the pass, I have a buddy that's a vik fan and from what I've watched of him.

I noticed earlier that last year he had more sacks and more INT's than mitchell (double even - 1.5/1 for KM and 3/2 for Harris :p) But he's taller and better for our scheme than KM.

where's the youtube experts at? Lets see some film on Harris.


yeah, NH caused two fumbles and KM did not cause any.

I've said it, not a huge upgrade, but an upgrade, and shouldn't kill our cap either.

nychief
03-06-2007, 12:31 PM
NOW we need a real DT to stick in there.

Cave Johnson
03-06-2007, 12:32 PM
Here's actual analysis, as opposed to Mecca's whining....

http://vikings.kfan.com/sports/nflguide/local/story.aspx?content_id=CBECDB1C-C498-48D0-A312-6EC6F2731A31

Napoleon Harris – Final Stats:
Solo – 71 / Ast. – 25 / Total – 96 / Sacks – 2.5 / INTs – 3 / TFL – 7 / FF – 2 / FR – 0

If Henderson’s performance was the most impressive among Vikings defenders, then Harris’ resurgence was the easily the most surprising in 2006.

Hounded by nagging injuries ever since his best year in 2003 when he was a member of the Oakland Raiders, Harris had quickly fallen out of favor with most Vikings fans after a disappointing 2005 campaign.

Even after Harris showed signs of life during training camp, most people figured he would fall flat once again. But Tomlin showed faith and confidence in Harris’ veteran leadership and handed him the responsibility of playing the middle spot in his “Tampa-2” defense.

As he did with most of the defense, Tomlin seemed to bring out the best in Harris and the fifth-year player responded with a very good season.

In week 2 Harris had one of his best games in a nail-biting win over the Panthers, racking up a season-high 12 tackles and a sack, the first of what would be a career-high in the sack department.

Harris continued his solid play throughout the season, despite being sidelined for two games due to injury. Harris showed toughness that many felt he did not have when he returned after the two weeks sporting a cast on his injured arm. In fact he was able to pick off two passes despite the injury, giving him three interceptions on the year.

Like Henderson, Harris sprinted down the stretch, totaling 30 tackles, a sack and two forced fumbles in the final three games of the season.

Under contract through 2008, Harris should continue to be a key piece in the Vikings’ defensive puzzle. He may see a bit of a diminished role however depending on how injured rookie Chad Greenway returns from a torn ACL.

Regardless of what his role is, Harris should continue to provide leadership and play-making ability for a defense that has become the strength of the Vikings.

Woodrow Call
03-06-2007, 12:32 PM
FORGIV THYE' HARRIS, HE KNOWETH KNOT WAHT HE DOZ. HE IS TEH SORY FOR PLAYNG WITH DA RADIERS, HE WIL STOPP UNDERACHEVING WITH DA CHEIFS!!111!!

ROFL

I will temper my excitement.

Mecca
03-06-2007, 12:32 PM
Thanks Mecca

........It's fine as long as the contract is reasonable.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 12:33 PM
sign donnie or mitchell for MLB and put Harris at SOLB?

Mecca
03-06-2007, 12:34 PM
Harris has ALWAYS been a MLB, if Edwards were to sign he'd be the weak side OLB. And Mitchell isn't coming back.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-06-2007, 12:34 PM
Most of the playmakers anymore are 3-4 rushers, I think sometime within the next century we need to change to a 3-4 and get some hybrid QB crushers on our team, ala the Chargers.

Halfcan
03-06-2007, 12:35 PM
Hopefully he can get 40 tackles again this year.

Chiefnj
03-06-2007, 12:35 PM
Here's actual analysis, as opposed to Mecca's whining....

http://vikings.kfan.com/sports/nflguide/local/story.aspx?content_id=CBECDB1C-C498-48D0-A312-6EC6F2731A31

Napoleon Harris – Final Stats:
Solo – 71 / Ast. – 25 / Total – 96 / Sacks – 2.5 / INTs – 3 / TFL – 7 / FF – 2 / FR – 0

.

Whoever compiled those tackle stats was very liberal as compared to what NFL.COM shows.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 12:36 PM
Why the hell would you move Harris OUT of his position?

**** Mitchell altogether (he's horrible) and Edwards works as an OLB in a 4-3.

Woodrow Call
03-06-2007, 12:36 PM
sign donnie or mitchell for MLB and put Harris at SOLB?

I think one of the 2 will be resigned. Kawika is younger and might be cheaper considering the lack of interest but for some reason I feel that Donnie is on his way back.

If Donnie is signed Harris moves outside; if Kawika is signed Harris stays in the middle and Kawika moves outside IMO.

Cochise
03-06-2007, 12:36 PM
He's an OK acquisition, but it will continue to not matter who is there until we install some DTs.

Woodrow Call
03-06-2007, 12:37 PM
Harris has ALWAYS been a MLB, if Edwards were to sign he'd be the weak side OLB. And Mitchell isn't coming back.

I believe Harris played OLB in Oakland. I might be wrong though.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 12:37 PM
Harris has ALWAYS been a MLB, if Edwards were to sign he'd be the weak side OLB. And Mitchell isn't coming back.
what makes anyone think that Harris can be good enough in coverage for our system?

seems like we have signed a player with the intention of playing him towards his weakness ....... again.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 12:37 PM
Hopefully he can get 40 tackles again this year.

Perspective, douche.

He'll have a lot more than that this year as the unquestioned starter.

Chiefnj
03-06-2007, 12:38 PM
The way I see it:

Out - Kawika Mitchell average MLB that stays healthy.

In - Nap Harris underachieving MLB that can't stay healthy.

Doesn't look like a good move to me. I'm hoping Willis is around at 23 and KC takes him.

Cave Johnson
03-06-2007, 12:38 PM
Most of the playmakers anymore are 3-4 rushers, I think sometime within the next century we need to change to a 3-4 and get some hybrid QB crushers on our team, ala the Chargers.

Combine the front office's persistent inability to project players into positions at the next level with the increasingly high demand on 3-4 ends, OLBs, and NTs, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 12:40 PM
Why the hell would you move Harris OUT of his position?

**** Mitchell altogether (he's horrible) and Edwards works as an OLB in a 4-3.
because in our system the linebackers drop in coverage a ton


our middle linebacker is expected to turn a run with the tightend a ton.


IF Harris is strong against the run and weak in coverage then putting him at MLB in our system will basically turn him into Kendrell Bell.

RedThat
03-06-2007, 12:41 PM
sign donnie or mitchell for MLB and put Harris at SOLB?

I agree with that concept. Except I'd rather have Donnie for MLB, than Kawika.

Mecca
03-06-2007, 12:42 PM
There really aren't any other options and Mitchell proved that he can't play at all in this system, he doesn't even tackle well.

We can't sit around and wait for Willis in the draft either seeing as his 4.4 range 40 puts him ahead of our pick now.

RedThat
03-06-2007, 12:42 PM
because in our system the linebackers drop in coverage a ton


our middle linebacker is expected to turn a run with the tightend a ton.


IF Harris is weak strong against the run and weak in coverage then putting him at MLB in our system will basically turn him into Kendrell Bell.

Very good point. Harris was not that good in coverage last year for the Vikings.

RedThat
03-06-2007, 12:43 PM
Best thing for this team to do is sign Donnie Edwards to play MLB.

Mecca
03-06-2007, 12:45 PM
Best thing for this team to do is sign Donnie Edwards to play MLB.

Yes.....putting a 227lb man in at MLB on a team with no DT's is brilliant, I can't wait to see him get obliterated by guards. Edwards is not a MLB in a 4-3.

Cochise
03-06-2007, 12:45 PM
Best thing for this team to do is sign Donnie Edwards to play MLB.

No 34 year old long term solutions please.

crazycoffey
03-06-2007, 12:46 PM
He's an OK acquisition, but it will continue to not matter who is there until we install some DTs.


second that.


Are we keeping anyone from last year? reed or edwards - I thought edwards did pretty well, and I'm not sure I like the idea of two rookies. I hope we hear something in this area.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 12:49 PM
Harris simply won't play OLB. PERIOD.

He may need work in coverage. He'll work. But he can stuff the run and we NEED that.

There's no way in hell we move him to OLB where he'll have to cover just as much (if not more) and may also be less effective against the run (he's a good upfield player, not so much laterally although he has the speed to).

RedThat
03-06-2007, 12:50 PM
Yes.....putting a 227lb man in at MLB on a team with no DT's is brilliant, I can't wait to see him get obliterated by guards. Edwards is not a MLB in a 4-3.

He is a good fit for a cover 2 defense. That's the reason why i said they should sign him, and put him there. In cover 2, you need a MLB that can drop back and play coverage. Like Laz said, we do that ton. And I agree. If Harris is weak at coverage, then that's like just signing somebody that neglects the team need, and asking him to do something he is not good at. It'll be like the Kendrell Bell situation all over again.

Phobia
03-06-2007, 12:51 PM
Dirty Raider Scum.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 12:51 PM
If we have a LB lineup of DJ-Edwards-Harris, we are going to f*cking blow against the run.

Stopping the run > stopping the pass.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 12:52 PM
signing a less talent guy can work out IF you put him him a system that specifically targets his strengths.

(see the patriots)


but putting a guy into a system that doesn't fit him is a bad thing.

signing a lesser talent and then putting that lesser talent into a system that emphasizes his weaknesses is simply "retarted"

Chiefs Pantalones
03-06-2007, 12:53 PM
Would Mitchell be good in Bell's place or should be sign someone else?

Lzen
03-06-2007, 12:53 PM
I can't believe how much they overspent for this guy.

Is it safe to assume you are being a smartass as usual? Or do you have some financial terms you would like to share?

RedThat
03-06-2007, 12:53 PM
If we have a LB lineup of DJ-Edwards-Harris, we are going to f*cking blow against the run.

Stopping the run > stopping the pass.

And we are going to blow against the run if we don't address the DT positions. No matter who we have lining up at LB.

nychief
03-06-2007, 12:54 PM
I can't believe the amount of bitching already.

Sure-Oz
03-06-2007, 12:54 PM
Harris>Kavvvvveka

RedThat
03-06-2007, 12:55 PM
No 34 year old long term solutions please.

LOL...But he is the best fit for the defense we are trying to run.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 12:56 PM
I can't believe the amount of bitching already.
oh hush ...... people are discussing



or can't you tell the difference?

Chiefs Pantalones
03-06-2007, 12:56 PM
I can't believe the amount of bitching already.

No one's really bitching, we just don't know what we're going to do with the other LB spot. Edwards is too old and is a MLB, and would Kawika do well in place of Bell? I'm not a fan of putting a MLB at OLB.

Cochise
03-06-2007, 12:58 PM
.,.,

ChiefsCountry
03-06-2007, 12:58 PM
Pollard is perfect for an outside linebacker in the Cover 2. Heck I went back and read his scouting reports from the draft and said he should move to lb in a cover 2.

Woodrow Call
03-06-2007, 12:58 PM
Would Mitchell be good in Bell's place or should be sign someone else?

I think he would be a better fit at OLB than MLB in this scheme. He would be better than Bell no doubt in my mind.

Stinger
03-06-2007, 12:58 PM
We go from Jubilation of yeah we got a good one, to hey wait a minute, to Damnit Carl !!!! :cuss: in under 80 posts. That may be a record here.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Man I love this place in the off season

Woodrow Call
03-06-2007, 12:59 PM
Pollard is perfect for an outside linebacker in the Cover 2. Heck I went back and read his scouting reports from the draft and said he should move to lb in a cover 2.

I wouldn't mind this move one bit.

Demonpenz
03-06-2007, 12:59 PM
like it was ever in question....but it is still clear the chiefs aren't looking to win a superbowl. They are going to patch together a team to get to 7-8 wins and to win most of those games at home.

CoMoChief
03-06-2007, 01:00 PM
We really should have signed Benard last offseason.

htismaqe
03-06-2007, 01:01 PM
No one's really bitching, we just don't know what we're going to do with the other LB spot. Edwards is too old and is a MLB, and would Kawika do well in place of Bell? I'm not a fan of putting a MLB at OLB.

There are some very good OLB's that will be around when we pick in both the 1st and 2nd...much deeper field than MLB.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 01:01 PM
Pollard is perfect for an outside linebacker in the Cover 2. Heck I went back and read his scouting reports from the draft and said he should move to lb in a cover 2.
possible .... i remember some rumors about Pollard being moved maybe.


but i still think that means we need to change our scheme so that the MLB doesn't drop into deep coverage so much. IMO it's a bad thing anyway.

asking a player to be a main focus of stopping the run AND then asking the player to be responsible for the deep middle on passing players is just begging for problems in coverage.

htismaqe
03-06-2007, 01:02 PM
We really should have signed Benard last offseason.

The Seahawks wish we would have.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-06-2007, 01:02 PM
There are some very good OLB's that will be around when we pick in both the 1st and 2nd...much deeper field than MLB.

Starting calibre?

Demonpenz
03-06-2007, 01:04 PM
if we had pollard, harris, and DJ that might be the fastest LB's in the nfl. Atleast in my theory.

the Talking Can
03-06-2007, 01:05 PM
There really aren't any other options and Mitchell proved that he can't play at all in this system, he doesn't even tackle well.

We can't sit around and wait for Willis in the draft either seeing as his 4.4 range 40 puts him ahead of our pick now.

but that logic doesn't apply to the LT position, it seems....my head is spinning

ChiTown
03-06-2007, 01:06 PM
He's an OK acquisition, but it will continue to not matter who is there until we install some DTs.

I'd say we need OT's about as bad as we need DT's. Gonna be tough to win if we can't score. :)

the Talking Can
03-06-2007, 01:06 PM
not sure that Harris is even as good as Mitchell, I hope he's cheaper at least....

Fruit Ninja
03-06-2007, 01:06 PM
Chiefs add Harris, who is perfect for Edwards' D
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

Filling their need for more athleticism and playmaking potential at middle linebacker spot, the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday reached agreement with unrestricted free agent middle linebacker Napoleon Harris on a six-year deal.

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Complete financial details of the contract were not immediately available, but two league sources told ESPN.com that Harris will receive about $6 million-$7 million in guarantees.

Harris, 28, will replace Kawika Mitchell as the starting middle linebacker. A solid run-stuffer but limited athlete, Mitchell is also an unrestricted free agent. He was not expected to return to the Chiefs and the acquisition of Harris all but guarantees that.

A five-year veteran, Harris has drawn interest from several teams since the start of free agency and visited earlier with Tampa Bay Buccaneers officials. But the Chiefs made him a priority, in part because head coach Herm Edwards feels Harris has the skills to fit well into his cover two scheme, and moved quickly to complete a deal with him.

Because of his movement skills, Harris should be a middle linebacker capable of remaining on the field on third down, even in obvious passing situations.

Oddly, the Minnesota Vikings, who also play the cover two scheme and for whom Harris played the past two seasons, made little effort to retain him, even though he was a productive player for them.

Minnesota signed E.J. Henderson to a long-term contract extension toward the end of last season, and will benefit from the return of 2006 first-round choice Chad Greenway, who missed his entire rookie campaign with a knee injury. So the Vikings, who also have a standout veteran on hand in Ben Leber, apparently felt they could allow Harris to move on to another team.

The Vikings acquired Harris as part of the 2005 trade that sent wide receiver Randy Moss to the Oakland Raiders. Harris, a college standout at Northwestern, played three seasons for the Raiders, who chose him in the first round of the 2002 draft, before the trade.

In five seasons, Harris has 333 tackles, six sacks, three interceptions, nine passes defensed and four forced fumbles. He has appeared in 74 games and been a starter at the middle and weakside linebacker positions.


That hardly breaks the bank.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 01:08 PM
sounds like a reasonable deal so far :clap:

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 01:08 PM
I'd say we need OT's about as bad as we need DT's. Gonna be tough to win if we can't score. :)

I wouldn't. We have no DTs.

NONE.

Count Alex's Wins
03-06-2007, 01:09 PM
No one can criticise Carl right now. And Herm is awesome. We didn't let these guys leave town.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 01:10 PM
Btw, ****ing hilarious to see people think Harris is worse than Mitchell. Hahahaha. WATCH FOOTBALL!

Chiefs Pantalones
03-06-2007, 01:11 PM
No one can criticise Carl right now. And Herm is awesome. We didn't let these guys leave town.
18 years, no Super Bowl appearances or victories, we'll critisize until the cows come home, he's a failure and Herm will be too. I just hope they don't totally crush our beloved team to the ground before they finally do leave.

Zouk
03-06-2007, 01:11 PM
possible .... i remember some rumors about Pollard being moved maybe.


but i still think that means we need to change our scheme so that the MLB doesn't drop into deep coverage so much. IMO it's a bad thing anyway.

asking a player to be a main focus of stopping the run AND then asking the player to be responsible for the deep middle on passing players is just begging for problems in coverage.


The only position Pollard could possibly play is WLB, which happens to also be our only good linebacker's position.

People say you need small guys for a scheme that plays a lot of cover 2 and cover 3, but Herm took John Lynch (who many said was too slow to be a safety and should be converted to linebacker) and made him very effective at strong safety in this scheme.

What's wrong with a bigger, physical defense? We're not a dome team. I like Johnson at WLB, Harris at MLB, and my guess is Fox gets his shot at SLB. Pollard and Page at safeties (although Knight might get one more year).

the Talking Can
03-06-2007, 01:12 PM
I like the price....we'll see what kind of player he is, but bargin shopping is what we should be doing right now

Fruit Ninja
03-06-2007, 01:12 PM
I actually like herm. I think he can do it, once he realizes not to run the clock out with 15 min to go in the first. I think he can get his players to play for him above their ability. THen again all coaches make stupid mistakes on the field from time to time.

Count Alex's Wins
03-06-2007, 01:12 PM
The only position Pollard could possibly play is WLB, which happens to also be our only good linebacker's position.

Derrick is SLB.

58-4ever
03-06-2007, 01:12 PM
Btw, ****ing hilarious to see people think Harris is worse than Mitchell. Hahahaha. WATCH FOOTBALL!

My thoughts exactly.

BigRedChief
03-06-2007, 01:13 PM
No one can criticise Carl right now. And Herm is awesome. We didn't let these guys leave town.
It's always in season to critize King Carl for his inability to draft a quality DT or acquire one through FA

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 01:13 PM
Defensive Tackles currently under contract

Howard, Brian
Sims, Ryan

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 01:14 PM
Btw, ****ing hilarious to see people think Harris is worse than Mitchell. Hahahaha. WATCH FOOTBALL!

who said this?

Direckshun
03-06-2007, 01:14 PM
SIMS TO THE RESCUE!

Stinger
03-06-2007, 01:14 PM
No one can criticise Carl right now.

Bwwahhhhaaahhhhh

How long have you been on this board???

Zouk
03-06-2007, 01:14 PM
Derrick is SLB.

I am quite sure you're mistaken. Don't know how to prove it to you without game film, though.

Kendrell was not playing will, last year, though. Believe that.

ChiTown
03-06-2007, 01:14 PM
I wouldn't. We have no DTs.

NONE.

And Jordan Black and Kyle Turley account for HAVING OT's?

They're fkn horrible!

eazyb81
03-06-2007, 01:15 PM
Great signing, Harris will be the MLB next year no matter what Mitchell decides to do.

IMO, we are done with Mitchell - he is not a good fit for the Cover 2. I think the talk of moving him outside was just PR stuff.

We now have one OLB spot to fill, as I guarantee Bell will not start next year. We could fill that spot with Fox or Pollard, or we could address it in the draft. Guys like Rufus Alexander and Brandon Siler would be great fits for what we're running, and we could get them w/ a 2nd or 3rd pick.

Again, great signing by Carl since Harris is still fairly young and we presumably did not break the bank. If we can pick up a decent DT (Ian Scott?), this will have been a nice offseason.

BigRedChief
03-06-2007, 01:15 PM
Defensive Tackles currently under contract

Howard, Brian
Sims, Ryan
:banghead: I thought last year was it for the Sims era?

Barret
03-06-2007, 01:16 PM
The Chiefs seem to have some decently talented LB's now and crap for DT's. Would this be a chance to switch to a 3-4 scheme instead of the 4-3 scheme?

Especially if they are able to add Donnie Edwards I would think The Chiefs are set with a very good complement of LB's.

CupidStunt
03-06-2007, 01:16 PM
And Jordan Black and Kyle Turley account for HAVING OT's?

They're fkn horrible!

Better as OTs than Ryan Sims as a DT.

And you must be having a mind**** completely ignoring a very solid LT in Damion McIntosh.

Dude, there is NO comparison. DT = #1 need by far at this point.

crazycoffey
03-06-2007, 01:18 PM
Btw, ****ing hilarious to see people think Harris is worse than Mitchell. Hahahaha. WATCH FOOTBALL!



I know, right. He's better, taller, faster, more athletic, fits the scheme better AND IS PROBABLY CHEAPER

OMG - people, you just want to say "dammit carl" so bad, you'll close both eyes and type with your toes just to get a different perspective on a new signing.

crazycoffey
03-06-2007, 01:20 PM
The Chiefs seem to have some decently talented LB's now and crap for DT's. Would this be a chance to switch to a 3-4 scheme instead of the 4-3 scheme?

Especially if they are able to add Donnie Edwards I would think The Chiefs are set with a very good complement of LB's.


I tossed this idea around some too, but my first question is if we run a cover 2, can you do that with a 3-4, probably not.

Direckshun
03-06-2007, 01:22 PM
Better as OTs than Ryan Sims as a DT.

And you must be having a mind**** completely ignoring a very solid LT in Damion McIntosh.
Not to mention Chris Terry and John Welbourne as proven RTs.

Bootlegged
03-06-2007, 01:23 PM
Good. Can he read a BOOTLEG?


My thumbs up on this move.

Count Alex's Wins
03-06-2007, 01:24 PM
I am quite sure you're mistaken. Don't know how to prove it to you without game film, though.

Kendrell was not playing will, last year, though. Believe that.

Jesus Christ. I don't know why so many people make this mistake.

You're wrong. Derrick Johnson was a weakside linebacker in college, yes. The Chiefs moved him to strongside.

ChiTown
03-06-2007, 01:25 PM
Better as OTs than Ryan Sims as a DT.

And you must be having a mind**** completely ignoring a very solid LT in Damion McIntosh.

Dude, there is NO comparison. DT = #1 need by far at this point.

Yes, indeed, I forgot about D-Mac signing. He fills 50% of that void...

nychief
03-06-2007, 01:25 PM
How about Jarad Allen for Lance Briggs....

Direckshun
03-06-2007, 01:26 PM
Is Harris fast, by the way?

Anybody know how fast the guy is? Does he fly to the ball?

listopencil
03-06-2007, 01:26 PM
I remember thinking the Raiders traded away their only good LB when Harris went to the Vikings so this sounds like a good move to me. Obviously KC felt the need to upgrade after we signed super stud Travis Henry.

Cochise
03-06-2007, 01:27 PM
Why do people continually suggest we run a 3-4? I know that on Madden you can just change your playbook to 3-4 and it works ok, but in the real world, it's different.

Count Alex's Wins
03-06-2007, 01:27 PM
Is Harris fast, by the way?

Anybody know how fast the guy is? Does he fly to the ball?

He ran a 4.56 before the draft.

Halfcan
03-06-2007, 01:28 PM
How about Jarad Allen for Lance Briggs....

They can have Hicks and Bartee too.

ChiTown
03-06-2007, 01:28 PM
Is Harris fast, by the way?

Anybody know how fast the guy is? Does he fly to the ball?

He ran sub 4.6's at the NFL Combine.

Direckshun
03-06-2007, 01:30 PM
Defense at this point...

DE Line = Hali, Allen
DT = Wilkerson, ???
SOLB = Johnson
MLB = Harris
WOLB = ??? (Pollard? Fox? Mitchell? Bell? Edwards?)
SS = Knight
#1 CB = Law
#2 CB = Surtain
FS = Page/Wesley
(Nickelback = Walls)

We need to lose Wesley, plug that DT, and for heaven sakes we need a nickelback.

crazycoffey
03-06-2007, 01:30 PM
He ran a 4.56 before the draft.



and by comparision where does KM stand? when was KM drafted too, out of curiositiy.

Direckshun
03-06-2007, 01:31 PM
He ran sub 4.6's at the NFL Combine.
That answers that. :thumb:

Frosty
03-06-2007, 01:33 PM
Defense at this point...

DT = Wilkerson, ???


What is Wilkerson's status? Isn't he a free agent?

Cochise
03-06-2007, 01:33 PM
What is Wilkerson's status? Isn't he a free agent?

Yes, and Walls is gone too.

ChiTown
03-06-2007, 01:34 PM
and by comparision where does KM stand? when was KM drafted too, out of curiositiy.

Drafted 2003. Ran a 4.65

Direckshun
03-06-2007, 01:34 PM
What is Wilkerson's status? Isn't he a free agent?
He is.

I just assume we'll resign him. He's young and he's still a deal.

Edit: He can also play anywhere on the DL.

ChiefaRoo
03-06-2007, 01:35 PM
Goodbye Kawiffa.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 01:36 PM
What is Wilkerson's status? Isn't he a free agent?
restricted free agent

Count Alex's Wins
03-06-2007, 01:36 PM
and by comparision where does KM stand? when was KM drafted too, out of curiositiy.

Kawika ran a 4.66.

Drafted in Rd. 2.

dirk digler
03-06-2007, 01:37 PM
My main concern is what we are going to do with the DT position.

I am thinking that our #1 pick this year is going to be a DT but we need more than 1.

Zouk
03-06-2007, 01:37 PM
Jesus Christ. I don't know why so many people make this mistake.

You're wrong. Derrick Johnson was a weakside linebacker in college, yes. The Chiefs moved him to strongside.


The Chiefs do list him at LOLB which is normally SLB, but wasn't Kendrell playing over the tight end most of last year with Johnson covering backs and playing in space?

In any case - you were right, but it seems much more sensible to play Fox on the stronside and let Johnson take advantage of his athleticism on the weakside. And Pollard should stay as a Lynch-like enforcer at SS.

Direckshun
03-06-2007, 01:39 PM
God, think of the stuff we could get for Kawika.

Say what you will about the guy, but Cover 2 just isn't his system and he still had a productive year with us.

Put him in a package with any one of our talented players who are clearly in the wrong system in KC (Hall, Bell, Green) and we might be able to yank a draft pick or a sexy DT out of somewhere.

Count Alex's Wins
03-06-2007, 01:39 PM
The Chiefs do list him at LOLB which is normally SLB, but wasn't Kendrell playing over the tight end most of last year with Johnson covering backs and playing in space?

No.


In any case - you were right, but it seems much more sensible to play Fox on the stronside and let Johnson take advantage of his athleticism on the weakside. And Pollard should stay as a Lynch-like enforcer at SS.

Fox wasn't very effective replacing DJ last year.

Mr. Laz
03-06-2007, 01:39 PM
Btw, ****ing hilarious to see people think Harris is worse than Mitchell. Hahahaha. WATCH FOOTBALL!
still waiting for an example of who said this

dirk digler
03-06-2007, 01:40 PM
God, think of the stuff we could get for Kawika.

Say what you will about the guy, but Cover 2 just isn't his system and he still had a productive year with us.

Put him in a package with any one of our talented players who are clearly in the wrong system in KC (Hall, Bell, Green) and we might be able to yank a draft pick or a sexy DT out of somewhere.

First you would have to sign Kawika since he is a FA.

And from what I understand he hasn't visited anywhere yet so that shows there is little or no interest for the guy.

My advice for the Chiefs is to sign him and stick him on ST's only

Direckshun
03-06-2007, 01:41 PM
First you would have to sign Kawika since he is a FA.

And from what I understand he hasn't visited anywhere yet so that shows there is little or no interest for the guy.

My advice for the Chiefs is to sign him and stick him on ST's only
Not a bad idea. Good call.

bringbackmarty
03-06-2007, 01:51 PM
A few thoughts here:

Weaka is gone, there is no moving him to the outside. He is too slow as was BELL. Fox opens the season there unless something amazing happens in the Draft.

The correct terminology for our linebackers would be left and right, according to our D.C. last year. We do not identify them as either "Weak" or "Strong". D.J. was our
starting LOLB last year. Bell was Our ROLB.

Ideally, our starting ROLB should be a good edge pass rusher, with a combination of speed and size. He must also be a sure tackler, about the only guy I can think of in FA who would fit the bill was A. Thomas, Briggs would work too, but it'll never happen.

Chiefnj
03-06-2007, 01:54 PM
still waiting for an example of who said this

I didn't say it previously, but I don't have a problem saying I don't Harris is an improvement over Kawika. People up in Minny say Harris sucked in coverage. Plus, he's hurt a lot. I don't see it as an improvement.

Chiefnj
03-06-2007, 01:54 PM
A few thoughts here:

Weaka is gone, there is no moving him to the outside. He is too slow as was BELL. Fox opens the season there unless something amazing happens in the Draft.

The correct terminology for our linebackers would be left and right, according to our D.C. last year. We do not identify them as either "Weak" or "Strong". D.J. was our
starting LOLB last year. Bell was Our ROLB.

.

Exactly, that is why teams were often able to isolate a TE on Bell in the red zone.

TRR
03-06-2007, 01:55 PM
A few thoughts here:

Weaka is gone, there is no moving him to the outside. He is too slow as was BELL. Fox opens the season there unless something amazing happens in the Draft.

The correct terminology for our linebackers would be left and right, according to our D.C. last year. We do not identify them as either "Weak" or "Strong". D.J. was our
starting LOLB last year. Bell was Our ROLB.

Ideally, our starting ROLB should be a good edge pass rusher, with a combination of speed and size. He must also be a sure tackler, about the only guy I can think of in FA who would fit the bill was A. Thomas, Briggs would work too, but it'll never happen.

How about a guy like Lavar Arrington?

patteeu
03-06-2007, 01:55 PM
Jesus Christ. I don't know why so many people make this mistake.

You're wrong. Derrick Johnson was a weakside linebacker in college, yes. The Chiefs moved him to strongside.

I agree with this, fwiw.

Sure-Oz
03-06-2007, 02:01 PM
How about a guy like Lavar Arrington?
I don't see why we can't sign him either to a cheaper deal, since he got hurt. He was doing pretty good with the Giants.

JohnnyV13
03-06-2007, 02:06 PM
Yes.....putting a 227lb man in at MLB on a team with no DT's is brilliant, I can't wait to see him get obliterated by guards. Edwards is not a MLB in a 4-3.


Uh the point about DTs is well taken, but Edwards DID play MLB in Kansas City. Or did you forget that he was MLB on the 97 Chiefs D that led the NFL in scoring D? Of course that was a hybrid 4-3 with Derrick as the "falcon".

crazycoffey
03-06-2007, 02:07 PM
Kawika ran a 4.66.

Drafted in Rd. 2.




Thank you, kind sir.










what just happened? :p

Bootlegged
03-06-2007, 02:08 PM
I hear we're in talks with Terdell Sands.

ct
03-06-2007, 02:12 PM
... If we can pick up a decent DT (Ian Scott?), this will have been a nice offseason.

I hope we do look into Ian Scott, believe he could really help our interior D. Add him to Harris/McIntosh, and we are setup nicely for Draft Day.

Harris is a good signing for our scheme, a nice upgrade. Same for McIntosh, another upgrade. We're not talkin Pro-Bowlers here, but we're not in the market for Pro-Bowlers, and we just got a bit better.

Now, move Pollard to WLB (yes, WLB, DJ plays the strong side), and we've got a fine LB corp! Sammy's good for 1 more year, playing alongside Page.

Wilkerson is RFA, we've offered him a restricted tender already.

Pushead2
03-06-2007, 02:15 PM
No.



Fox wasn't very effective replacing DJ last year.

I do believe Fox WAS , taking over for Johnson led the team in 2 of the 4 games in tackles. I believe against the Dolphins and Browns ...both were losses but none the less he also had equal or better stats then Bell..... I wouldn't mind seeing Fox , Harris , Johnson...... Young descent LB core with good talent for the Cover 2. I of course wouldn't mind Edwards back but I think if we are going young Fox is the way to go (despite the injuries).

Keyaron Fox 52 44.0 8 1 0
Kendrell Bell 49 43.0 6 1 0

Thats left to right Total Tackles , Tackles , Assists , Sacks , Fumble Recovery. Not bad for someone who sat on the bench.

Frosty
03-06-2007, 02:17 PM
restricted free agent

Thanks. Wasn't sure if he was restricted on not.

TRR
03-06-2007, 02:26 PM
I hope we do look into Ian Scott, believe he could really help our interior D. Add him to Harris/McIntosh, and we are setup nicely for Draft Day.

Harris is a good signing for our scheme, a nice upgrade. Same for McIntosh, another upgrade. We're not talkin Pro-Bowlers here, but we're not in the market for Pro-Bowlers, and we just got a bit better.

Now, move Pollard to WLB (yes, WLB, DJ plays the strong side), and we've got a fine LB corp! Sammy's good for 1 more year, playing alongside Page.

Wilkerson is RFA, we've offered him a restricted tender already.

I don't like the idea of moving Pollard to LB. I think Pollard and Page could be our starting SS/FS for quite some time. I know Pollard isn't the fastest, but he plays faster than he is, and can hit like a truck. Put him at SS, and let him grow.

Zouk
03-06-2007, 02:28 PM
Thanks. Wasn't sure if he was restricted on not.

Jimmy Wilkerson is an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/afc-unrestricted

Simply Red
03-06-2007, 02:29 PM
sounds good.

recxjake
03-06-2007, 02:51 PM
Chiefs | Harris contract update
Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:40:13 -0800

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports Kansas City Chiefs LB Napoleon Harris' six-year contract with the team is worth $24 million. Harris received a $7.5 million signing bonus and will make $13 million over the first three years of the contract.

Frankie
03-06-2007, 03:02 PM
Jimmy Wilkerson is an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/afc-unrestricted
And that's a f***ing shame. :banghead:

kcbronco
03-06-2007, 03:23 PM
Good pickup with the K-state lineman, but Harris sucked at Minnesota and the Faid. He's a step below Mitchell, but you had to get someone to take his place.

Count Alex's Wins
03-06-2007, 03:24 PM
There's no way he's "a step below" Kawhiffa.

Mr. Kotter
03-06-2007, 03:24 PM
Good pickup with the K-state lineman, but Harris sucked at Minnesota and the Faid. He's a step below Mitchell, but you had to get someone to take his place.

You are FOS.

kcbronco
03-06-2007, 03:28 PM
You are FOS.

Quoted by another arrogant KU fan!

Ultra Peanut
03-06-2007, 03:47 PM
Cheap and decent. Is nice.

shaneo69
03-06-2007, 08:04 PM
IMO, it's time to give Kris Griffin a shot at Bell's spot. He looked better than DJ in pre-season two years ago when both were rookies and Griffin was playing while Bell continued to recover from his shoulder/groin/hernia injury.

The pick that KG made on the sidelines against the Rams in the Governor's Cup game that year was a thing of beauty, and something I haven't seen from any of our other LB's in a long time.

Of course, Griffin looked awful when Gunther tried to put him at rushbacker/OLB when they went to a 3-4 in 2005, and he's been stuck on the bench ever since then. Ridiculous. Put him back in his natural position and give him a chance.

milkman
03-06-2007, 10:03 PM
A few thoughts here:

Weaka is gone, there is no moving him to the outside. He is too slow as was BELL. Fox opens the season there unless something amazing happens in the Draft.

The correct terminology for our linebackers would be left and right, according to our D.C. last year. We do not identify them as either "Weak" or "Strong". D.J. was our
starting LOLB last year. Bell was Our ROLB.

Ideally, our starting ROLB should be a good edge pass rusher, with a combination of speed and size. He must also be a sure tackler, about the only guy I can think of in FA who would fit the bill was A. Thomas, Briggs would work too, but it'll never happen.

Gunt did say that about the LBs, but that was in Dick's last year, before Herman ****ing Edwards brought the cover 2 to KC.

milkman
03-06-2007, 10:05 PM
Yes, indeed, I forgot about D-Mac signing. He fills 50% of that void...

With an offseason to get into shape and become more familiar with the system, Chris Terry should be able to fill that hole at RT effectively.

He was a solid RT for Seattle before he missed time with his off field issues.

Fruit Ninja
03-06-2007, 10:08 PM
Mitchell is not slow.

Woodrow Call
03-06-2007, 11:54 PM
IMO, it's time to give Kris Griffin a shot at Bell's spot. He looked better than DJ in pre-season two years ago when both were rookies and Griffin was playing while Bell continued to recover from his shoulder/groin/hernia injury.

The pick that KG made on the sidelines against the Rams in the Governor's Cup game that year was a thing of beauty, and something I haven't seen from any of our other LB's in a long time.

Of course, Griffin looked awful when Gunther tried to put him at rushbacker/OLB when they went to a 3-4 in 2005, and he's been stuck on the bench ever since then. Ridiculous. Put him back in his natural position and give him a chance.

I agree with this. In the preseason and in other limited action he seemed to stand out more than Fox IMO.

Rausch
03-07-2007, 12:03 AM
Mitchell is not slow.

Nope.

He's got the blinded speed and aim of a drunk on a crotch rocket...

jlscorpio
03-07-2007, 12:56 AM
If you were on the '03 Defense, you should be released, no questions asked...

Mecca
03-07-2007, 12:58 AM
If you were on the '03 Defense, you should be released, no questions asked...

There's actually still quite a few of those guys still on our team...how sad.

jlscorpio
03-07-2007, 01:06 AM
Releasing Wesley and Sims, and not re-signing Mitchell would be a good start...

Count Alex's Wins
03-07-2007, 01:17 AM
There's actually still quite a few of those guys still on our team...how sad.

Just Sims, Hicks and Wesley. Quityerbitchin.

CupidStunt
03-07-2007, 02:37 AM
Good pickup with the K-state lineman, but Harris sucked at Minnesota and the Faid. He's a step below Mitchell, but you had to get someone to take his place.

Idiot. He was a great LB at times in Oakland and he was very solid in Minnesota last year.

I didn't see him get duked out of his cleats like your boys Al Wilson and Ian Gold. Those fools looked like morons defending the run.

Harris kicks ass against the run.