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el borracho
03-07-2007, 09:06 AM
Let's see what everyone really thinks we will get for Green.

Redrum_69
03-07-2007, 09:07 AM
Your mom

Douche Baggins
03-07-2007, 09:08 AM
I'm going to guess they get a second-round pick for him.

el borracho
03-07-2007, 09:08 AM
Your mom
:shake: You used to be so much more creative and funny. It's sad.

Redrum_69
03-07-2007, 09:11 AM
:shake: You used to be so much more creative and funny. It's sad.


You guys at CP get all the leftovers.


THe "other" forums get the best lines now.


I was banned over at the patriots forum for things we wont speak of

Douche Baggins
03-07-2007, 09:12 AM
You guys at CP get all the leftovers.


THe "other" forums get the best lines now.


I was banned over at the patriots forum for things we wont speak of

You intrigue me greatly. I honestly wonder what drives you to perform your macabre art. You are some sort of unholy savant.

Redrum_69
03-07-2007, 09:17 AM
You intrigue me greatly. I honestly wonder what drives you to perform your macabre art. You are some sort of unholy savant.


?


Yeah ok, that makes me feel better...that I have fans at WPI.

Been banned there too

pr_capone
03-07-2007, 09:17 AM
The best we can hope for is a 4th.

No 82 year old QB will warrant first day pics unless he is some sort of unholy savant.

eazyb81
03-07-2007, 09:18 AM
A conditional pick for 08 in the 3rd-5th round range.

Mile High Mania
03-07-2007, 09:20 AM
Anything higher than a 4th rounder will be a total shock to me, based on age alone.

I'm guessing a 6th rounder or equivalent player.

Mr. Laz
03-07-2007, 09:21 AM
with Carl leading the way?????

a conditional 6th ... possible 5th if Green leads the team to the super bowl.


what is Green worth?

a conditional 2nd rounder .... if he starts all year and throws for more than 3k yards it turns into a 1st.

Mile High Mania
03-07-2007, 09:21 AM
The best we can hope for is a 4th.

No 82 year old QB will warrant first day pics unless he is some sort of unholy savant.

Pretty much what I'm thinking... I mean, let's say that Favre was available for trade. He *might* warrant a first day draft pick.

Mile High Mania
03-07-2007, 09:23 AM
what is Green worth?

a conditional 2nd rounder .... if he starts all year and throws for more than 3k yards it turns into a 1st.

:bong: :homer:

Mr. Laz
03-07-2007, 09:26 AM
:bong: :homer:
ya whatevah ....


Green is good enough to lead the Chicago Bear to a Super Bowl victory ... maybe multiple ... that's worth a 2nd rounder to them.


Miami ...... a 3rd conditional to a 2nd



Green is a solid QB and a good leader .... great chemistry guy. If you have a good team and needs someone of character at the helm then Green is worth it.

if your team is young and rebuilding then you don't want Green at all.

Mile High Mania
03-07-2007, 09:30 AM
How many teams are ready though to send a R2 (conditional R1) pick to KC for Green? There just aren't too many openings available for that price on a guy that old, especially that are 1 or 2 players away from winning a title.

CHI has too much $ and recent picks invested in the QB position to invest another 1st day pick on a QB that old.

morphius
03-07-2007, 09:31 AM
A Panic'd preseason when everyone is suddenly forced to remember what Huard normally looks like in the preseason...

:D

Steve Sewell
03-07-2007, 09:32 AM
I'm going to guess they get a second-round pick for him.

I'm thinking a 1st rounder...

Douche Baggins
03-07-2007, 09:34 AM
A Panic'd preseason when everyone is suddenly forced to remember what Huard normally looks like in the preseason...

:D

Oh god. I'm going to be fighting everyone but Hootie again.

keg in kc
03-07-2007, 09:35 AM
Green's not worth anything with his age matched with his contract matched with his shitty post-concussion play last year. I'd say we'd be fortunate to get a 5th. We're talking about starting Croyle over him. If we see him that way, why in the hell would any team give up anything of value for a 37-year old backup...

Mr. Laz
03-07-2007, 09:36 AM
How many teams are ready though to send a R2 (conditional R1) pick to KC for Green? There just aren't too many openings available for that price on a guy that old, especially that are 1 or 2 players away from winning a title.

CHI has too much $ and recent picks invested in the QB position to invest another 1st day pick on a QB that old.
don't worry ..... i've already predicted that with Carl in charge the chiefs will get a conditional 6th rounder.

the conditional part will be there because Carl with want to save face and leave some room for ambiguity.


disagree about chicago ..... they are in their window. They dick around too much and they will miss it. They need a QB and they need one now.

Green is a proven guy who won't screw things up ...... Chicago doesn't have a guy like that now.


a 2nd round pick is worth it for a legit chance at the next 3 super bowls.

keg in kc
03-07-2007, 09:38 AM
Green is a proven guy who won't screw things up ...... You can only say that if you completely throw out last season.

the Talking Can
03-07-2007, 09:38 AM
i'm guessing a 5th, would be thrilled with a 4th....anything higher and I would want drug testing for Miami....

Steve Sewell
03-07-2007, 09:40 AM
don't worry ..... i've already predicted that with Carl in charge the chiefs will get a conditional 6th rounder.

the conditional part will be there because Carl with want to save face and leave some room for ambiguity.


disagree about chicago ..... they are in their window. They dick around too much and they will miss it. They need a QB and they need one now.

Green is a proven guy who won't screw things up ...... Chicago doesn't have a guy like that now.


a 2nd round pick is worth it for a legit chance at the next 3 super bowls.

One more hit to that melon and it's all over. Chicago (or any other team) isn't giving up a 2nd rounder for that.

You may try to bend the 'Skins over somehow, but we're currently busy with them so you'll have to wait for sloppy seconds.

el borracho
03-07-2007, 09:41 AM
Green won't screw up? He had 7 touchdowns and 9 interceptions last year as well as some fumbles and a pretty notable screw-up in the redzone in the playoffs. Oh, and he's 192 years old. I would be ecstatic to get a 4th for him.

CosmicPal
03-07-2007, 09:47 AM
Trent Green, Kendra Bell, Ron Edwards, and William Bartee to Miami for this year's 2nd and 5th round and a conditional 2008 4th/5th round pick depending upon the performance of Green, Bell, and Bartee.

Miami trades Green and Ronnie Brown to Chicago for Cedric Benson and Chicago's 1st round pick.

Chiefs then ship Larry Johnson to Cleveland for Cleveland's 1st round pick and a conditional 3rd round pick in 2008.

Chiefs get another 1st rounder in 2007 and pick up Adrian Peterson. They also get an additional 2nd and 5th round pick this year's draft; as well as 2 conditional picks in 2008.

Mr. Laz
03-07-2007, 09:47 AM
You can only say that if you completely throw out last season.
wow .... look at me being the one to defend Green now after listening to people call him "Mr. Quarterback" for so many years. :eek:


Green is a slow starter ... he typically takes 2/3 games to really get started. He also takes a quarter to get started each game.

he got hurt after 1 game .... then game back and had to restart again.

With Herm's wonderful offense he never was really able to get that 1st quarter rhythm going because of our run,run,pass,punt approach.


last year was not a fair evaluation of Green


i believe we will find now that most QB's look pretty crappy when playing for the Hermanator.

Mr. Laz
03-07-2007, 09:50 AM
Green won't screw up? He had 7 touchdowns and 9 interceptions last year as well as some fumbles and a pretty notable screw-up in the redzone in the playoffs. Oh, and he's 192 years old. I would be ecstatic to get a 4th for him.
ROFL ROFL

anyone dared say that about Green before you knew he was gone, you would of freaked out and played the "true fan" card faster than Paris Hilton drops to her knees in the bedroom.

now that Green is leaving everyone feels free to throw him under the bus. Just like every other coach/player after they left the chiefs.

they are sacred while here .... trash as soon as they step out the door.


http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9701/copyoftrentgreenunderthrx4.jpg

Steve Sewell
03-07-2007, 09:51 AM
Trent Green, Kendra Bell, Ron Edwards, and William Bartee to Miami for this year's 2nd and 5th round and a conditional 2008 4th/5th round pick depending upon the performance of Green, Bell, and Bartee.

Miami trades Green and Ronnie Brown to Chicago for Cedric Benson and Chicago's 1st round pick.

Chiefs then ship Larry Johnson to Cleveland for Cleveland's 1st round pick and a conditional 3rd round pick in 2008.

Chiefs get another 1st rounder in 2007 and pick up Adrian Peterson. They also get an additional 2nd and 5th round pick this year's draft; as well as 2 conditional picks in 2008.

Why would Cleveland give up the 3rd pick for Larry Johnson?

Mr. Laz
03-07-2007, 09:54 AM
Why would Cleveland give up the 3rd pick for Larry Johnson?
no ....... there isn't any Chiefs player worth more than a 2nd round pick.

CosmicPal
03-07-2007, 09:55 AM
Why would Cleveland give up the 3rd pick for Larry Johnson?

'cause he's a proven commodity. He's a Pro-Bowler and possible future HOF'er. Draft picks, no matter how high, are unproven.

jspchief
03-07-2007, 09:57 AM
ESPN has reported that the Chiefs are wanting a second day pick.

My guess is we'll be lucky to get a 5th.

Mile High Mania
03-07-2007, 09:59 AM
don't worry ..... i've already predicted that with Carl in charge the chiefs will get a conditional 6th rounder.

the conditional part will be there because Carl with want to save face and leave some room for ambiguity.


disagree about chicago ..... they are in their window. They dick around too much and they will miss it. They need a QB and they need one now.

Green is a proven guy who won't screw things up ...... Chicago doesn't have a guy like that now.


a 2nd round pick is worth it for a legit chance at the next 3 super bowls.

I don't think Green has 3 years in the tank.

Mile High Mania
03-07-2007, 10:01 AM
'cause he's a proven commodity. He's a Pro-Bowler and possible future HOF'er. Draft picks, no matter how high, are unproven.

Anyone is a "possible" future HOF'er... LJ isn't close.

keg in kc
03-07-2007, 10:01 AM
wow .... look at me being the one to defend Green now after listening to people call him "Mr. Quarterback" for so many years. :eek:


Green is a slow starter ... he typically takes 2/3 games to really get started. He also takes a quarter to get started each game.

he got hurt after 1 game .... then game back and had to restart again.

With Herm's wonderful office he never was really able to get that 1st quarter rhythm going because of our run,run,pass,punt approach.


last year was not a fair evaluation of Green


i believe we will find now that most QB's look pretty crappy when playing for the Hermanator.It is bizarro-world.

I think maybe you're so focused on Peterson/Herm that you're not seeing Green's play for what it was last year. He played well in exactly one game, his third after the injury (Cleveland). He was awful in the two before that, he was awful in the 5 after that.

That's a half a season of bad play. It wasn't a week or two. And I don't think it was a rhythm thing. He was making bad decisions and poor throws week after week. He looked like an even worse version of himself from 2001. I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.

He's 37. He's even less mobile now than before, and it's only going to get worse. He's had a serious head injury. He's not the same player he was, physically or mentally. You could see it in the way he looked on the field and in the pocket. Personally, I think he's done. He looks to me a lot like Kurt Warner did when he fell off the map.

It's a shame. I think he's a great guy.

Brock
03-07-2007, 10:04 AM
I don't see why any team trades for a 37 year old QB. This ain't Joe Montana we're talking about.

crazycoffey
03-07-2007, 10:05 AM
i'm guessing a 5th, would be thrilled with a 4th....anything higher and I would want drug testing for Miami....



I say the same, but after reading yesterday that CP wouldn't hold up a trade by demanding too much or too high of a pick, I'm leaning more toward just the 5th round pick.

Steve Sewell
03-07-2007, 10:07 AM
'cause he's a proven commodity. He's a Pro-Bowler and possible future HOF'er. Draft picks, no matter how high, are unproven.

Do you realize the risk involved for Cleveland in making that trade? That's how GM's and coaches get fired, man.

Mr. Laz
03-07-2007, 10:11 AM
It is bizarro-world.

I think maybe you're so focused on Peterson/Herm that you're not seeing Green's play for what it was last year. He played well in exactly one game, his third after the injury (Cleveland). He was awful in the two before that, he was awful in the 5 after that.

That's a half a season of bad play. It wasn't a week or two. And I don't think it was a rhythm thing. He was making bad decisions and poor throws week after week. He looked like an even worse version of himself from 2001. I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.

He's 37. He's even less mobile now than before, and it's only going to get worse. He's had a serious head injury. He's not the same player he was, physically or mentally. You could see it in the way he looked on the field and in the pocket. Personally, I think he's done. He looks to me a lot like Kurt Warner did when he fell off the map.

It's a shame. I think he's a great guy.
maybe ..... but we nor anyone else has seen enough to make that conclusion.

to me Trent looked uncomfortable

when a QB looks like he doesn't really understand the point of the offense, they generally look like crap. Add pressure to the equation and they look like nervous crap.

Green looked like nervous crap last year


i think it's 70/30 that if Green comes back healthy and in a decent system he can throw 3,000+ yards again.

interestingly enough, i give that same 70/30 shot to Huard in the opposite direction.

A 70/30 that Huard turns back into a frog next year.

siberian khatru
03-07-2007, 10:13 AM
It is bizarro-world.

I think maybe you're so focused on Peterson/Herm that you're not seeing Green's play for what it was last year. He played well in exactly one game, his third after the injury (Cleveland). He was awful in the two before that, he was awful in the 5 after that.

That's a half a season of bad play. It wasn't a week or two. And I don't think it was a rhythm thing. He was making bad decisions and poor throws week after week. He looked like an even worse version of himself from 2001. I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.

He's 37. He's even less mobile now than before, and it's only going to get worse. He's had a serious head injury. He's not the same player he was, physically or mentally. You could see it in the way he looked on the field and in the pocket. Personally, I think he's done. He looks to me a lot like Kurt Warner did when he fell off the map.

It's a shame. I think he's a great guy.


Well said. I'm 100% in agreement.

I've said previously that that concussion appeared to have aged Green 2-3 years.

el borracho
03-07-2007, 10:16 AM
ROFL ROFL

anyone dared say that about Green before you knew he was gone, you would of freaked out and played the "true fan" card faster than Paris Hilton drops to her knees in the bedroom.
I would have freaked out? Or others would have freaked out?

If you were to go back 4 years and look at the posts you would see that I was pretty unhappy to give up the 1st for Green. I wanted to sign a free-agent QB (Collins, I think) and draft McAllister. Green actually did impress me the last 4 years but he was not the same player after that concussion. I don't think it is "throwing Green under the bus" to recognize that Green did not play well after the concussion. That is a fact.

Wile_E_Coyote
03-07-2007, 10:16 AM
He will end up part of someones' trade to Oakland for Moss. Biesel still a Pat?

Woodrow Call
03-07-2007, 10:19 AM
If the Chiefs get anything I'd be surprised. It just don't see much of a market for a 37 yr old QB coming off a major head injury and looked mediocre at best when he returned. You can blame Herm or the offensive line but IMO he is finished. That hit took something out of him that he might not get back.

I'd say he will end up getting cut.

Cochise
03-07-2007, 10:22 AM
I'm going to guess they get a second-round pick for him.

Are you trolling or just insane?

Iowanian
03-07-2007, 10:25 AM
I think the Chiefs have 2 5th round picks this year.

My prediction is Green and a 5th for a 4th.

StcChief
03-07-2007, 10:30 AM
where is a pick ~5th and a young/old player?

keg in kc
03-07-2007, 10:37 AM
maybe ..... but we nor anyone else has seen enough to make that conclusion.

to me Trent looked uncomfortable

when a QB looks like he doesn't really understand the point of the offense, they generally look like crap. Add pressure to the equation and they look like nervous crap.

Green looked like nervous crap last year


i think it's 70/30 that if Green comes back healthy and in a decent system he can throw 3,000+ yards again.Let's say he looked uncomfortable, as you put it. Is he going to be any better going to a new team with a new system behind a line he doesn't know, throwing to receivers he doesn't know? This isn't a young guy we're talking about. He's not going to have Tony Gonzalez. He's not going to have Larry Johnson. He may find a line even worse than what we fielded last season.

Combine those factors with his age, and I think it's a recipe for a bad end to a good career.

That's assuming he isn't just a backup.

I also don't think Green, at his age, would have gardered a 2nd rounder in a trade last year, prior to the concussion. But that's just my opinion. I don't think any team is going to dish out that much for a 36-year old signal caller. Now we're a year later, after a serious injury and a poor season.

As for Huard, I don't expect anything from him. He's had his 15 minutes in the sun. It was fun while it lasted, now it's back to mentoring the clipboard.

Crush
03-07-2007, 10:38 AM
We'll be lucky to get a 7th.

Mr. Laz
03-07-2007, 10:41 AM
I would have freaked out? Or others would have freaked out?

If you were to go back 4 years and look at the posts you would see that I was pretty unhappy to give up the 1st for Green. I wanted to sign a free-agent QB (Collins, I think) and draft McAllister. Green actually did impress me the last 4 years but he was not the same player after that concussion. I don't think it is "throwing Green under the bus" to recognize that Green did not play well after the concussion. That is a fact.
so many people around here ... i don't know if YOU would of freaked.

but it would of happened


heck, there would of a 12-page thread if i would of said Trent Green doesn't have a very strong arm 12 months ago.

FringeNC
03-07-2007, 11:02 AM
It is bizarro-world.

I think maybe you're so focused on Peterson/Herm that you're not seeing Green's play for what it was last year. He played well in exactly one game, his third after the injury (Cleveland). He was awful in the two before that, he was awful in the 5 after that.

That's a half a season of bad play. It wasn't a week or two. And I don't think it was a rhythm thing. He was making bad decisions and poor throws week after week. He looked like an even worse version of himself from 2001. I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.

He's 37. He's even less mobile now than before, and it's only going to get worse. He's had a serious head injury. He's not the same player he was, physically or mentally. You could see it in the way he looked on the field and in the pocket. Personally, I think he's done. He looks to me a lot like Kurt Warner did when he fell off the map.

It's a shame. I think he's a great guy.

Green didn't play well other than the Cleveland game. Against good defenses, our offense looked completely inept, no matter who was the quarterback. Our offense looked good against Cleveland and the NFC West. Wonder why?

If I thought we had the player talent and coaching talent to make a serious run, I'd definitely want Trent back. Given our Herminated offense, losing Green is anti-climatic.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Trent play very well for his next team, though.

To me, starting Damon Huard is tantamount to throwing in the towel as far as winning championships is concerned. He may be able to "manage a game", but what happens when you fall behind? I guess for that matter, Herm's brand of offense itself has already thrown in the towel and is simply playing for 9-7 seasons.

keg in kc
03-07-2007, 11:19 AM
Green didn't play well other than the Cleveland game. Against good defenses, our offense looked completely inept, no matter who was the quarterback. Our offense looked good against Cleveland and the NFC West. Wonder why?To quote myself:

I'm sure that Solari was a part of that, I'm sure that the line was a part of that, I'm sure that the receivers were a part of that. I'm also, however, sure that Green himself is a part of that, and I think maybe the biggest part.