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j molina
03-15-2001, 02:52 PM
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/Sports/0276D63EA798D5BD86256A10003CA77F?OpenDocument&Headline=St.%20Louis%20has%20what%20K.C.%20needs%2C%20but%20there's%20a%20price

What do you think? Gordon comes off a tad snooty at the beginning and the end of the story. Otherwise, what about his points? I throw it out for debate.

JM

TeenagerFromMars
03-15-2001, 03:00 PM
That's about what I expected from St. Louis. Can't say I disagree with the sentiment because, if the shoe was on the other foot, we would be doing the same.

Wrasse
03-15-2001, 03:06 PM
They just have SO much respect for us...blach!

htismaqe
03-15-2001, 03:08 PM
I certainly wouldn't act like this if the shoe was on the other foot.

There's so many things in here, I don't have time to enumerate, so in summary all I can say is:

What an *******...

DaWolf
03-15-2001, 03:10 PM
Whitlock does the same, so can't blame him.

As far as his points, they also have the same legitimacy as Whitlocks points usually do.

It's simple: Green should cost the Chiefs a No. 1 pick and a No. 3 pick.

It's not quite that simple. He may want those picks, but I don't see why Trent Green is worth that price on the market.

They can keep their offensive juggernaut clicking along with Green sitting on the bench taking up the cap room. But why should we be charitable and help them build their defense so they can stop losing the division and playoff games to a team missing their starting QB, RB, and WR?

Screw St Louis...

KS Smitty
03-15-2001, 03:15 PM
Let's send whitlock to him for training. The man has abviously never been west of St. Louis. I say we round up some buffalo and stampede his hiney into the misery river!

MrBlond
03-15-2001, 03:16 PM
1985 World Series.

'Nuff said.

keg in kc
03-15-2001, 03:16 PM
Sound and fury signifying absolutely nothing...

He knows as well as we do that the 1.375 million trading Green would free up would bring in some much-needed help for their defense. Not to mention the benefit of possibly getting the #12 pick, be it through a straight trade or a swap.

That sounded to me exactly like a baby throwing a tantrum because he didn't get the toy he wanted for Christmas. It's a shame hacks like that are paid money for the sort of things that you and I do every day on this board, and a hell of a lot better than that...

What a joke.

Mi_chief_fan
03-15-2001, 03:18 PM
Geez, the 'little sister' comment was a little out of line. What a jerk.

One Arrowhead Dave
03-15-2001, 03:18 PM
The Rams proven QB really helped them last season and it hurt the Champs by not having one....(sarcasm)

ChiTown
03-15-2001, 03:22 PM
Chicagoans refer to St. Louisians as Chicago Lite (Tastes ****ty, and it's less filling). The fine people of St. Louis have this horrific affinity and paranoia for what is happening in Chicago. People in Chicago would never even recognize anything from St. Louis until the Cards-Cubs game.

The article made me laugh at the stupidity of it's condescending tone. If you look real close, his arrogance in the article is actually paranoia in reverse.

58Forever
03-15-2001, 03:25 PM
Grbac him and the Grbacking horse he rode in on!

The little sister **** was a bit out of line...I hate St. Louis, the team and the City...bitter, you bet....:mad:

Baby Lee
03-15-2001, 03:44 PM
My question is, when did Darryl Hammond become a sportswriter?

I lived in St. Louis for over six years and loved every minute of it. But that kind of condescension has not been deserved. The Blues choke more than the girls on the set of a John Holmes movie. Mark McGwire is a great story, but he is about it for the Cards in the '90's, unless you count the 'supernatural choking' of Ankiel. They don't even have the class to admit that Kurt Warner's '99 season was a once in a milleneum story and without it, they'd still be mired in mediocrity a the TWA??????? Dome.

kcmax
03-15-2001, 03:53 PM
This guy is an @ss! What a jerk...Oh well, I guess it will sting that much more when their "Little sister" slaps them around the next time we meet...1 championship team and they are the greatest Sports city ever...get a Grip!
kcmax
this offseason is really bringin' me down!!!

sun
03-15-2001, 03:55 PM
here it is........im gonna go puke now.....what a jerkoff



By Jeff Gordon
P-D Online Sports Columnist



Columnist Jeff Gordon

St. Louis doesn't look down on Kansas City. No sir, we LIKE our little sister city to the West. That's why our Rams didn't really mind beloved former coach Dick Vermeil coming out of retirement to coach the Kansas City Chiefs.

And that's why St. Louis is willing to send one of her own sons, Trent Green, down Interstate 70 to quarterback the Chiefs. Life in the NFL is very difficult without a proven quarterback, and the Rams happen to have two.

So, helpful folks that we are, we're willing to share. There's no sense in letting our friends suffer. The Chiefs can have Green as long as they pay the going rate for such proven starting quarterbacks: a first- and third-round pick.

I mean, the Rams aren't going to just GIVE Green to the Chiefs. Knowing that proud organization as we do, we know the Chiefs don't want a handout. They don't need charity. They've always been one of the better organizations in the game. Chiefs czar Carl Peterson is as brilliant as they come.

The Chiefs can pay their freight. Let's not treat them like panhandlers. To give Green to the Chiefs for a token price out of sympathy . . . well, now, that makes no sense. Let's not insult those people.

If Kansas City prefers to go another direction at quarterback, fine. They can pick up what's left of Troy Aikman after 10 concussions or what's left of 36-year-old Steve Beuerlein after a career of beatings. Gus Frerotte might have been a passable option, but he elected to stay in Denver and bid for the Super Bowl as a back-up.

They can go get Baltimore's championship tag team of Trent Dilfer and Tony Banks. Steve Bono is still alive, isn't he? Or Steve Walsh? I mean, there are so many other attractive options, one couldn't blame the Chiefs for clinging to their draft picks and eschewing the chance to get Green.

Sure, Green knows the new Chiefs offense in and out. He's an upbeat leader, offering the sort of positive presence that this franchise could use after a rough 2000 season.

But, hey, if the Chiefs don't want him, fine. Green provides reassuring depth on this team, which is obviously a quarterback-driven squad. Now that the cap savings of ditching Green is down to $1.3 million _ or about $900,000 after the Rams replace him with another veteran No. 3 guy _ the benefit of moving him has been greatly reduced.

The Chiefs seem to be making the Rams' decision for them. Now that the cap value of swapping Green is evaporating, any offer from Kansas City has to be that much better.

It's simple: Green should cost the Chiefs a No. 1 pick and a No. 3 pick. If they want to push off the No. 3 pick until 2002, we suppose that's OK. Again, we're nice people here in St. Louis. We don't mind helping out our neighbors in the prairies of East Kansas.

If the Chiefs don't want to pay the price, then we hope they enjoy their quarterback adventure while the Rams are clicking along with two veterans at the wheel of this juggernaut.

Having two great quarterbacks is a luxury in this league, but the Rams can cope with such luxury if the Chiefs swat away this helping hand. It's no skin off our nose. Green would be the NFL's best reliever. Maybe the Rams could send Warner and his family on a midseason vacation to make certain Green gets some work.

We tried to be help Kansas City on this matter, so our conscience is clear

Frazod
03-15-2001, 06:45 PM
Gee, that's funny. The last time I checked, Kansas City had a bigger population than St. Louis. Little sister? I think this dick got it backwards.

I'm thinking he's still a little p!ssed about that whupping the Chiefs laid on the Rams last year.

I also think that St. Louis SUCKS.

I'd deeply love to kick this guy's a$$ up between his shoulders. Ah, in a perfect world....

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2001, 07:17 PM
What a dick! That is the worst piece of crap garbage article I have ever seen.

"We don't mind helping out our neighbors in the prairies of East Kansas."

Yep, KC is in the middle of no-where, country farm land with no city, just little towns with no electricity. What a jerk.

Oxford
03-15-2001, 08:25 PM
I'm really sorry that we released the one player capable of upgrading the RAMS defensive line, along with an attitude to match the sportswriter. Chester "the buffet molester" McGlocton.... maybe a conditional #7 and Chet?????

morphius
03-15-2001, 09:15 PM
Odd that these helpful folks were so busy crying to the NFL about us talking to Vermiel that they gave him to us for a 2nd and a 3rd round draft pick, even though he was no longer under contract.

I can't wait to see how happy he is when Green starts to get upset that he could be playing for someone else instead of sitting on the bench.

DaWolf
03-15-2001, 09:38 PM
I just emailed the article to Whitlock to see if he was willing to start a pissing match with this guy and St Louis. Those are his best types of articles. Screw St Louis...

cjderby
03-15-2001, 10:12 PM
The last laugh will end up on St. Louis, count on it. That franchise/city caught lightning in a bottle, and they don't know how to deal with it. They already started their slide last year, but are too blind to see it. And it will only get worse with Martz as HC. He's just another coordinator who is in over is head as HC. This situation is alot like Switzer in Dallas. It took a couple of seasons to screw everything up, and then it was too late. Martz will be back to coordinating again after a couple more seasons, and history will be rewritten concerning his "genious". This franchise was the '90's equivilant of Cincinnati for a reason, and I have confidence that Martz and Co. will have them right back there where they belong, and all will be well in the NFL again!!

Cormac
03-15-2001, 11:38 PM
This is the piece that gets me.....

That's why our Rams didn't really mind beloved former coach Dick Vermeil coming out of retirement to coach the Kansas City Chiefs.
HUH?

I had never heard the level of bitching and moaning coming out of one city til DV left them for "the little sister". And now he says "we didn't want him anyway" or words to that effect. Gob****e.

He sure has a lot of gall talking about the little sister when she hung FIFTY FOUR points on his team last season!!! :D

keg in kc
03-15-2001, 11:52 PM
Yeah, as I recall the Rams "didn't mind" so much that they took it to the Commissioner's office crying foul and sobbing like little *******, and all the while begging everyone to ignore the simple fact that they were too inept to write even a most basic contract.

These morons will have a rude awakening one of these mornings when they realize they aren't the Super Bowl champs any more and they're the only ones still placing St. Loser on a pedestal. They don't understand quite yet that they're back to the status of small fish in a big pond, and the sharks are once again circling because they smell your weakness and vulnerability.

I guess when you lose for so long and then finally come up for air for an oh-so-brief moment, you struggle mightily to ignore the reality that the undertow is dragging you right back to the bottom, where you belong...

Delusions of grandeur as demonstrated by the writings of a bag of lukewarm air.

Joe Seahawk
03-15-2001, 11:56 PM
I dont know how the Chiefs and Rams can negotiate..It seems like there is a lot iof animosity in the air over the Vermeil thing. Plus, didn't Vermeil state publicly that Grbac/Green agent was unethical?

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keg in kc
03-15-2001, 11:59 PM
I don't know if the animosity is as real between the front offices as it is between the fans. It shouldn't be, since these guys are all businessmen and understand the way it works, but it wouldn't surprise me all the same.

I think that's part of the reason both sides seem to be stepping back, maybe try to calm down a little (Get over the "dick hangover"), as if that will do much...

Joe Seahawk
03-16-2001, 12:03 AM
Kyle, It seems to me Green is a good fit for Vermeil led Chiefs..This thing should get done.

If there was a way to get Green without giving up a #1 it would be your best option, donchya think?
I think it will end up being a swap 1's and maybe a 2nd next year..just a guess.

keg in kc
03-16-2001, 12:09 AM
Pretty much what I'm thinking too, Joe. I don't think St. Louis can legitimately ask for a 1st and 3rd straighforward, simply because Green's not been a franchise player, but at the same time, we will have to ante up something to make the deal worthwhile. I'm fairly certain that we won't give up the #12 outright, so it'll have to be done somehow including a swap, and your idea is probably the best I've heard so far (regrettably ;)).

I think the Rams need the cap space badly, as much as they try to say they don't, and we obviously need a QB. Someone has to give (hopefully both sides...), and I just don't see any way the deal won't be done, because it really will be of benefit to both parties.

I just don't think either franchise wants to admit that yet...

TCB
03-16-2001, 05:22 AM
I think Martz is in no hurry to help out Vermeil. Most people in St. Louis give Martz the credit for the SB and DV is perceived as a tottering old fool. If DV is successful in K.C. Martz isn't the genius he is made out to be.

But I think the deal will get done because of the pressure to get that additional first round pick. If Martz could get that additional first rounder from anybody else he would.

ken

oh yeah, that gordon guy is an (insert adjective)

Mark M
03-16-2001, 06:40 AM
What a f*cking numbnut. And of course, their writers aren't man enough to post their e-mail addresses along with their story so people can respond. Here are a few things I'd like to tell him:

1. Kansas City is NOT their "little" sister city. KC is actually bigger. The guy needs to look at a census report.

2. Trent Green is NOT a "proven" QB. 31 years old, 19 starts, 9 wins. That doens't sound like "proven" to me.

3. Do they remember 1985?

4. Do they remember the numbers 54-35?

They need to get a clue in St. Loser.

MM
~~Hates the east side of the state.

Bob Dole
03-16-2001, 06:45 AM
You'd think St. Louie would figure it out when KC is the only team even <i>talking</i> to them about a deal for Green. If he's such a great QB, wouldn't other teams be looking acquire him as an upgrade?

Oh wait...he's <b>not</b> that great.

Mark M
03-16-2001, 06:54 AM
Well, I e-mailed my response to their site. I just wish I would've checked it a bit better and noticed that I mis-spelled "doesn't." A bit of typograhical dyslexia.

When I went to SMSU, there was a HUGE rivalry between St. Loser and KC, expecially about the '85 series. They would b!tch and cry about the blown call at first base, then I'd have to inform them that: a) Orta was thrown out at thrid and never scored, thus it didn't matter; and b) the 11-1 a$$ whoopin they received in game 7. Since they didn't have a football team yet, that was very easy to rip on them.

MM
~~Wouldn't piss on a St. Louisian if he/she/it were on fire.

Packfan
03-16-2001, 07:20 AM
Chief fans,

Let me fill you guys in on something: The Rams have won a super bowl and participate in the post season. They also have a quarterback the Chiefs want. On the other hand, the Chiefs havent won a playoff game in 8 years, have holes at almost every position, and are on the doorstep of becomming one of the laughingstocks in the NFL (along with Ciny and the Bears).

Rams fans/reporters/players have a right to talk smack about the red headed step sister to the west (Chiefs). Until the Chiefs get their sh_t straight, get used to the ridicule.

Mark M
03-16-2001, 07:38 AM
Packf*ck--
Don't you have a penis to suck somewhere? I'm surprised to see you here this early in the day.

Here's the deal, dumba$$:

The St. Louis football organizations have a grand total of 6 playoff wins in their enitre history (Cardinals and Rams). Just because it took them 30 more years to win the big game, and just because they won it more recently, does [b]not[/i] give them a reason to talk smack.

Of course, those are facts and a legitimate argument, so it might be hard for you to understand.

MM
~~Wonders why Kenny keeps coming back.

ChiTown
03-16-2001, 07:48 AM
Mark

Are you sure about KC being bigger than STL? Unless your talking about sq. footage, I always thought STL was more populated. But then again, you have to take into consideration the greater metropolitan areas of both cities, etc., etc.

ChiTown
~intrigued

[Edited by ChiTown on 03-16-2001 at 08:50 AM]

Mark M
03-16-2001, 07:54 AM
ChiTown--
KC proper has more people then St. Louis. It's a fact (KC has close to 400,000 ... St. Louis just around 300,000). The metro areas are very similar, but KC is growing rapidly, while St. Louis continues to lose people. It was on the news this morning.

As far as sq. mileage goes, KC is about twice as big.

Of course, we'll never reach Chicago-like size ... which isn't a bad thing (no offense intended—I love Chicago).

MM
~~Happy and at home in KC.

Bob Dole
03-16-2001, 07:55 AM
Metropolitan census data:

http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/metro-city/ma99-04.txt

(Edited for the sake of bandwidth conservation)

[Edited by Robert_Dole on 03-16-2001 at 09:32 AM]

Packfan
03-16-2001, 07:55 AM
Mark,

Good comeback! Brilliant work! I am going to print that one up and save it.

BTW, the Chiefs have won three playoff games in the last 30 years.

OOOOOOOOCH!

Mark M
03-16-2001, 08:03 AM
Bob Dole--
Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ! Could that have been a bit longer, please? ;)

I thought St. Loser's metro area was larger, but the city itself has less residents.

Bob Dole
03-16-2001, 08:06 AM
Bob Dole just thought you might want to see where Texarkana, TX and Enid, OK stacked up...

ChiTown
03-16-2001, 08:08 AM
Thanks for the clarification Mark. Much Gracias Mr. Dole for the Stats.

By the way Mark, I was born and bred in KC. I went to Bishop Miege HS (Home of the 2001 Boys and Girls Basketball 5A State Champions). Chicago was my home from 1989-1999. I was relocated to Wichita in late '99. I'm a much happier man these days as I can watch my Chiefs every Sunday and my Kansas State Wildcats (most) every Saturday.

I loved Chicago, and I'll probably be transferred back there in the next couple of years. However, it won't come without the addition of a Dish. I won't ever watch another Bears or Big 10 (11) football game unlessed forced to by gun point.

ChiTown
~surprised to say he's happy in DooDah

Mark M
03-16-2001, 08:15 AM
Bob Dole--
Good to see our former home of Springfield finally cracked the top 126. ;)

ChiTown--
I guess moving from Chicago to B!tchita (named after Clint) was quite a culture shock for you! I lived in Chicago for about two months (right outside of Schaumburg, actually) and loved it. Great museums, night life, etc. Driving there sucked a$$, but had a mucho good time.

MM
~~Still happier in KC.

TeenagerFromMars
03-16-2001, 08:19 AM
Bob Dole~

Thanks for the link. I suppose now we should start arguing that size doesn't matter...

I'll say it again. If the shoe were on the other foot, we would rally around a similar article that smacked St. Louis. I thought the author did a pretty good job pointing out that St. Louis holds all the cards and that they should feel no obligation to be charitable to the Chiefs. The Rams don't have to strike a deal with us period. You can bet that CP would be fighting tooth and nail to get the max value out of a trade for one of our players. It's just business, IMO.

Bob Dole
03-16-2001, 08:41 AM
Bob Dole wonders if they include some of the students as permanent residents when they compile the numbers, Mark. They used to count the "residents" of the State School and Hospital in Bob Dole's hometown. (Population dropped about 2k when they closed the facility.)

Well, it's off to #73 for an afternoon of billiards and beer and an evening where Bob Dole hopes he can remember that Bob Dole is no longer 20-something and stays the h#ll out of the mosh area...

Gaz
03-16-2001, 08:53 AM
I thought it was a clever piece. But then, I appreciate dry humor.

This is entertainment, folks. The guy is playing to his audience. Take it as smack and either respond in kind or ignore it.

Treat him like you treat Whitlock in the Star or Packfan on this BB.

xoxo~
gaz
does not expect this column to have much effect on the negotiations.

Mark M
03-16-2001, 09:32 AM
Gaz--
I agree with you. It's kind of like the Poznaski/Whatever St. Louis Writer That Was back-and-forth smack piece several years ago when the two teams played in the pre-season (the best line was that the TWA dome had all of the ambience of a bank lobby. Lawrence Phillip tried to turn the corner and was tackled by a fern.)

But, having had to deal with St. Loser f*cks in college, I get really sick and tired of the superiority dance they always do.

MM
~~Still hates the east side of the state.

BIG_DADDY
03-16-2001, 09:56 AM
The article is a joke. Like they GAVE us anything. They were not even using Vermeil and we had to pay plenty for him. Now they want us to leverage the entire organization to pick up an unproven, injured QB. PLEEAASE.