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Claynus
04-05-2007, 02:48 PM
http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2007/04/chiefs-allen-agentwoes050407.html

Chiefs fans' patience may have run out with defensive end Jared Allen. According to a report last week, Allen will not attend the team's mandatory offseason workouts, and he will not sign his one-year tender offer until the eve of training camp.

It's strange behavior for someone who had previously been so well-liked in Kansas City and had caused precious few problems other than two DUI infractions. Because of this contract holdup, Allen is now being painted as a bad guy -- especially after it came out that he won't play for the Chiefs beyond 2007.

But I don't buy for one second that Allen has suddenly transformed into a money-hungry mercenary eager to dump a town that embraced him. There's been something fishy about these proceedings the entire time.

And Ken Harris reeks of corruption.

Harris is Allen's agent. When contract talks between the fourth-year defensive end and the Chiefs broke down, it was reported that a trade was demanded. Later, Allen said Harris exaggerated that request.

I'm guessing neither Allen nor his agent are dumb. They both know, as the rest of us do, that Allen's DUI problems make a long-term contract a risky proposition for the Chiefs.

But despite that, they're still looking for big money. Somehow, Harris has convinced Allen that he's worth it, and the Chiefs are the bad guys in this scenario, denying a proven player his reward after three years of hard work and solid production.

Why has Harris done this? Because he, too, wants to get paid.

A glance at Harris' Web site (it appears to have been designed by a teenager) shows the agent has precious few clients compared to some of the larger firms. Other than Allen, Harris has negotiated deals for such marquee players as Ken Rumph, Mel Mitchell, Jon Dorenbos, Sean Bubin and Von Hutchins. There are five kickers and a long-snapper on the list at http://www.optimumsportsmgmt.com. Obviously, these guys aren't signing record-breaking contracts.

It's quite clear that Allen is the headliner. He's Harris' best chance to strike his first big deal with a player who could become a huge star and cash in on a major payday in the process. He's evidently going to stop at nothing to do it.

Allen's best chance at a big payday and a long NFL career is to eat his humble pie now and sign his one-year tender. He has to take responsibility for his off-the-field transgressions.

Once he proves he can behave, I'm sure the Chiefs will be more than happy to show him the money. And Chiefs General Manager Carl Peterson has always taken care of players who deserve it.

Harris simply doesn't have Allen's best interests at heart. That's why negotiations have gone badly and may not even take place (with the Chiefs, anyway) next offseason.

This is just another case of Allen using poor judgment -- as he did in deciding to drive while intoxicated. He's chosen poorly in picking an agent to represent him.

Meanwhile, quarterback Trent Green, despite the fact he will almost certainly end up playing for another NFL franchise next season, reported to offseason workouts at Arrowhead Stadium this week. Jim Steiner, his agent, isn't telling Green to shun the Chiefs even though that's basically what they're doing to him.

Coincidentally, Steiner has plenty of other big-time players on his list. He was Jerry Rice's agent and is Mike Alstott's. He currently represents Warrick Dunn and Shaun Alexander, among others.

Green didn't furiously demand a trade when the Chiefs asked him to take a pay cut this offseason, and the team has never had a problem negotiating contract issues with him or his agent.

The same goes for running back Larry Johnson. Despite his surly nature and desire for a new contract, there have been no incidents in negotiations (even if they have been slow to this point) with agent Alvin Keels. Johnson didn't even ask for a new contract after rushing for a franchise-best 1,750 yards in 2005.

And as far as I can tell, GMG Football (Keels' company) doesn't even have a Web site. That doesn't sound like someone too caught up in promoting his business, looking to leech a bunch of money off a player's big contract.

Green and Johnson both have good agents -- men who have their clients' best interests at heart.

Allen has a devil on his shoulder, whispering in his ear.

rageeumr
04-05-2007, 02:52 PM
When I click that link I get a screen that says the webpage is being updated. Coincedence?? :hmmm:

Claynus
04-05-2007, 02:53 PM
When I click that link I get a screen that says the webpage is being updated. Coincedence?? :hmmm:

I noticed that, too. I'd love to think I was a divining rod for social change. :D

Molitoth
04-05-2007, 02:56 PM
Good article.

Stewie
04-05-2007, 02:57 PM
Nice find GoChiefs.

"He's chosen poorly in picking an agent to represent him."

I've never heard of Ken Harris. How did Allen end up with him?

crazycoffey
04-05-2007, 03:02 PM
:clap: Good job GC, nice read.

crazycoffey
04-05-2007, 03:04 PM
I noticed that, too. I'd love to think I was a divining rod for social change. :D



ROFL


Well, social change?


How about a well placed, and deserving kick in the pants to one Ken Harris.

Claynus
04-05-2007, 03:04 PM
I've never heard of Ken Harris. How did Allen end up with him?

I believe they've been together since college.

trndobrd
04-05-2007, 03:07 PM
And Ken Harris reeks of corruption.




This is probably an unfair assumption. "Corruption" would imply that he is doing something illegal or immoral, like taking money on the side from an NFL franchise or getting payoffs from bookmakers.

A better word would be "incompetence". Apparently Allen's agent has done little or no research on Carl Peterson. Nor does he seem to understand that his long term commission will be larger shopping a 'stand up' guy with 20 sacks (dare to dream) on an open free agent market.

Don't assign to foul motive what can be explained by mere incompetence.

Claynus
04-05-2007, 03:11 PM
This is probably an unfair assumption. "Corruption" would imply that he is doing something illegal or immoral, like taking money on the side from an NFL franchise or getting payoffs from bookmakers.

A better word would be "incompetence". Apparently Allen's agent has done little or no research on Carl Peterson. Nor does he seem to understand that his long term commission will be larger shopping a 'stand up' guy with 20 sacks (dare to dream) on an open free agent market.

Don't assign to foul motive what can be explained by mere incompetence.

Corruption was probably the wrong word - although I do think he has more or less corrupted Allen's approach to getting a new contract this offseason.

jidar
04-05-2007, 03:12 PM
nice read.

It's something I had wondered about.

trndobrd
04-05-2007, 03:14 PM
Corruption was probably the wrong word - although I do think he has more or less corrupted Allen's approach to getting a new contract this offseason.


True. Although I think you can also make an argument that you have a relatively unknown agent trying to make a name for himself as some kind of 'hardball agent' at Allen's expense. I suppose that would be an improper motive.

siberian khatru
04-05-2007, 03:15 PM
This is probably an unfair assumption. "Corruption" would imply that he is doing something illegal or immoral, like taking money on the side from an NFL franchise or getting payoffs from bookmakers.

A better word would be "incompetence". Apparently Allen's agent has done little or no research on Carl Peterson. Nor does he seem to understand that his long term commission will be larger shopping a 'stand up' guy with 20 sacks (dare to dream) on an open free agent market.

Don't assign to foul motive what can be explained by mere incompetence.

Beat me to it. Excellent post.

the Talking Can
04-05-2007, 03:17 PM
border line slander....."reeks of corruption"


is there a single relevant fact in the "article"?

Claynus
04-05-2007, 03:18 PM
is there a single relevant fact in the "article"?

It's an opinion column. I'm not a reporter.

the Talking Can
04-05-2007, 03:21 PM
It's an opinion column. I'm not a reporter.

that much is obvious....but usually people draw opinions from the consideration of facts....you just play with crayons

htismaqe
04-05-2007, 03:21 PM
A glance at Harris' Web site (it appears to have been designed by a teenager) shows the agent has precious few clients compared to some of the larger firms. Other than Allen, Harris has negotiated deals for such marquee players as Ken Rumph, Mel Mitchell, Jon Dorenbos, Sean Bubin and Von Hutchins. There are five kickers and a long-snapper on the list at http://www.optimumsportsmgmt.com. Obviously, these guys aren't signing record-breaking contracts.

It's quite clear that Allen is the headliner. He's Harris' best chance to strike his first big deal with a player who could become a huge star and cash in on a major payday in the process. He's evidently going to stop at nothing to do it.


Excellent research and insight.

Claynus
04-05-2007, 03:22 PM
that much is obvious....but usually people draw opinions from the consideration of facts....you just play with crayons

Yeah, you don't think I considered the facts? The column is littered with them.

BTW, I don't think you understand the term "slander."

trndobrd
04-05-2007, 03:23 PM
....but usually people draw opinions from the consideration of facts....


On Chiefs Planet?

tk13
04-05-2007, 03:23 PM
You guys are corrupting gochiefs column.

JBucc
04-05-2007, 03:23 PM
I didn't read the article, but I'll just say in general I hate agents and I wish the players would realize they're the boss and reign these idiots in.

Crashride
04-05-2007, 03:25 PM
I love Allen and would love to keep him but if hes acting up i have faith in our talent scouting now. its not like he isnt expendable.

Cochise
04-05-2007, 03:26 PM
It's got a couple of decent ideas, but yeah... you don't expect substance from something written for alltheotherdomainnamesaretaken.com

the Talking Can
04-05-2007, 03:27 PM
it sounds as if it was written by an angry 12 year old

Brock
04-05-2007, 03:30 PM
it sounds as if it was written by an angry 12 year old

Only because it was.

kc rush
04-05-2007, 04:02 PM
I've read a few of your pieces and they are pretty good, but this one comes across as pretty amateur.

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2007/04/chiefs-allen-agentwoes050407.html

It's strange behavior for someone who had previously been so well-liked in Kansas City and had caused precious few problems other than two DUI infractions. Because of this contract holdup, Allen is now being painted as a bad guy -- especially after it came out that he won't play for the Chiefs beyond 2007.

It sounds like you are minimizing the DUI charges as minor transgressions.

I'm guessing neither Allen nor his agent are dumb. They both know, as the rest of us do, that Allen's DUI problems make a long-term contract a risky proposition for the Chiefs.

Now the DUI charges are a big deal.

And Ken Harris reeks of corruption.

This line has already been brought up a few times.


A glance at Harris' Web site (it appears to have been designed by a teenager)...

This torpedoed the piece for me. I know that you are writing opinion, but this line was so school yard it made it difficult to take anything else you said seriously.

Harris simply doesn't have Allen's best interests at heart. That's why negotiations have gone badly and may not even take place (with the Chiefs, anyway) next offseason.

Jarred is a big boy and needs to make big boy decisions. He obviously isn't protesting or changing agents, so he is condoning his agents actions by default.

This is just another case of Allen using poor judgment -- as he did in deciding to drive while intoxicated. He's chosen poorly in picking an agent to represent him.

You are probably right there.

Allen has a devil on his shoulder, whispering in his ear.

That's Jarred's problem if he is listening. Someone needs to take personal responsibility, Jarred shares in the blame.

orange
04-05-2007, 05:02 PM
It's an opinion column. I'm not a reporter.


"And Ken Harris reeks of corruption."

You should really look into the laws regarding slander/libel, Mr. Opinion Columnist. And I wouldn't be emailing Mr. Harris a copy of your column, if I were you.

Claynus
04-05-2007, 05:03 PM
"And Ken Harris reeks of corruption."

You should really look into the laws regarding slander/libel, Mr. Opinion Columnist.

:rolleyes:

Gotta love ignorance.

orange
04-05-2007, 05:06 PM
As for Allen, he made something like $400k last year. The tender offer is for $2.5m. If he becomes a free-agent and gets franchised, he'll make over $8m. I think he'll take that.

The Chiefs need to decide if they really want to keep him, and if so, make a realistic offer. There are probably over 30 guys making more than $2.5m.

http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=12&order=Salary+desc

Extra Point
04-05-2007, 05:26 PM
"....Jarred is a big boy and needs to make big boy decisions. He obviously isn't protesting or changing agents, so he is condoning his agents actions by default. ....


That's Jarred's problem if he is listening. Someone needs to take personal responsibility, Jarred shares in the blame."

Correcting your spelling: It's "Jarhead," as in jar of White Lightnin'.

JohnnyV13
04-05-2007, 05:44 PM
Jared Allen DOES have a point. Eric Hicks made 4 million in salary last season, with a bigger cap number. Allen starts ahead of Hicks. I'd be pissed too, if the guy sitting behind me was making 10 times my income.

ChiefaRoo
04-05-2007, 05:48 PM
I liked your article GC.

You could use these words to describe his reeking

1) Reeks of Greed
2) Reeks of Fear (of not getting a big commish)
3) Reeks of amateurism
4) Reeks of weakness
5) Reeks of incompetence
6) and my favorite Reeks like my Star Wars action figure after I pull it out of my partners arse.



(sorry I had to take a shot) :)

B_Ambuehl
04-05-2007, 06:51 PM
You're still looking at this too much from a fan's perspective. For the player's it's about money and longevity.

Allen's agent is doing the right thing. He's better off from a financial and risk standpoint sitting out most all of next year and hitting the open market for $20 million guaranteed in 2008....either that or pressuring the Chiefs to give him a contract or a trade where someone else will give him a contract.

He could go ahead and go through offseason workouts, OTAs, training camp, and play all 20 games (including preseason) next year for the 2.5 million (or whatever) tender...but given that the average NFL career lasts about 3-4 years and that it's not a matter of if but WHEN you get hurt, that's simply too much of a financial risk to take when you could sit on your butt for most of the next year and still have a host of teams ready to give you an 18 million raise over what the Chiefs are giving you.

Larry's agent is putting his client at risk if he doesn't get an extension prior to the start of camp.

htismaqe
04-05-2007, 06:53 PM
You're still looking at this too much from a fan's perspective. For the player's it's about money and longevity.

Allen's agent is doing the right thing. He's better off from a financial and risk standpoint sitting out most all of next year and hitting the open market for $20 million guaranteed in 2008....either that or pressuring the Chiefs to give him a contract or a trade where someone else will give him a contract.

He could go ahead and go through offseason workouts, OTAs, training camp, and play all 20 games (including preseason) next year for the 2.5 million (or whatever) tender...but given that the average NFL career lasts about 3-4 years and that it's not a matter of if but WHEN you get hurt, that's simply too much of a financial risk to take when you could sit on your butt for most of the next year and still have a host of teams ready to give you an 18 million raise over what the Chiefs are giving you.

Larry's agent is putting his client at risk if he doesn't get an extension prior to the start of camp.

That's all well and good, except that Allen has already said he won't participate in offseason workouts or OTA's, and he'll definitely be suspended under the new NFL conduct rules.

B_Ambuehl
04-05-2007, 07:04 PM
I know he said he won't participate in offseason workouts and OTAs...why should he? He's not gonna get paid ANYTHING to go through that shit....but he could very well get hurt...I don't blame him at all.

HemiEd
04-05-2007, 07:08 PM
A glance at Harris' Web site (it appears to have been designed by a teenager) shows the agent has precious few clients compared to some of the larger firms. Other than Allen, Harris has negotiated deals for such marquee players as Ken Rumph, Mel Mitchell, Jon Dorenbos, Sean Bubin and Von Hutchins. There are five kickers and a long-snapper on the list at http://www.optimumsportsmgmt.com. Obviously, these guys aren't signing record-breaking contracts.

It's quite clear that Allen is the headliner. He's Harris' best chance to strike his first big deal with a player who could become a huge star and cash in on a major payday in the process. He's evidently going to stop at nothing to do it.


Excellent research and insight.

You laughed at me the other day when I said his agent was an amatuer, remember?

.

htismaqe
04-05-2007, 07:09 PM
I know he said he won't participate in offseason workouts and OTAs...why should he? He's not gonna get paid ANYTHING to go through that shit....but he could very well get hurt...I don't blame him at all.

Well, if he misses the mandatory workouts in May/June, you can subtract the fines from his $2.5M.

FAX
04-05-2007, 07:10 PM
Hmmm.

People were upset when Priest didn't hang out on the sideline with crushed vertebrae, but Allen gets a pass on boycotting offseason work?

I say fiddledeecheese.

FAX

Phobia
04-05-2007, 07:13 PM
I thought it was a decent read for the most part - definitely good insight and stellar research. But I also think kc rush brings up some interesting points. The immaturity factor was strong with that column, Clayton.

htismaqe
04-05-2007, 07:14 PM
You laughed at me the other day when I said his agent was an amatuer, remember?

.

No, I didn't.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=160417&highlight=allen

milkman
04-05-2007, 07:18 PM
Well, if he misses the mandatory workouts in May/June, you can subtract the fines from his $2.5M.

If he hasn't signed a contract, then would those workouts be mandatory?

Valiant
04-05-2007, 07:23 PM
Nice find GoChiefs.

"He's chosen poorly in picking an agent to represent him."

I've never heard of Ken Harris. How did Allen end up with him?


Wasn't he a 6th rounder... More then likely this was the only guy that even offered to represent him at the time..

HemiEd
04-05-2007, 07:24 PM
No, I didn't.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=160417&highlight=allen

Thanks for the link, I would have never found it. :thumb:

I guess I mis-understood post #188, first line. My apologies.

So now his agent is an amateur? This is getting good.

What do you expect Jared Allen to say publically at this point?

His handling of the current contract situation is the anti-thesis of humility.

Short Leash Hootie
04-05-2007, 07:25 PM
Wasn't he a 6th rounder... More then likely this was the only guy that even offered to represent him at the time..
4th rounder...

HOW'S THAT FOR RESEARCH

htismaqe
04-05-2007, 07:26 PM
If he hasn't signed a contract, then would those workouts be mandatory?

Good question. I think they own his rights, which means he's still required to be there. I could be wrong.

HemiEd
04-05-2007, 07:28 PM
Wasn't he a 6th rounder... More then likely this was the only guy that even offered to represent him at the time..

He was a 4th

stevieray
04-05-2007, 07:29 PM
I don't know how the agent can be at fault, he's an employee.

Claynus
04-05-2007, 07:30 PM
You laughed at me the other day when I said his agent was an amatuer, remember?

.

I must've missed that. How did you reach that conclusion? His website certainly resembles that of an amateur, however. But you're right, Phobia, describing it the way I did was unprofessional.

God the planet is tough. Nitpickers! LMAO

Claynus
04-05-2007, 07:33 PM
Wasn't he a 6th rounder... More then likely this was the only guy that even offered to represent him at the time..

Probably. He's struck gold.

Claynus
04-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Allen's agent is doing the right thing. He's better off from a financial and risk standpoint sitting out most all of next year and hitting the open market for $20 million guaranteed in 2008....either that or pressuring the Chiefs to give him a contract or a trade where someone else will give him a contract.


I completely disagree. Given the high-rate of free agent failures, it's entirely probable that Allen's best bet is to sign a long-term contract with the Chiefs. He'll get paid and have a long career with the team and town where's he comfortable.

It certainly worked for Eric Hicks. :cuss:

HemiEd
04-05-2007, 07:41 PM
I must've missed that. How did you reach that conclusion?

From bits of information that I have managed to remember since he was drafted. Seems like a couple years ago, maybe a year and half ago, Carl slapped him back down to earth.
The agent made a run for increase after Jared's rookie season and Carl squashed him. Some information was out about the agent then, in the papers.

HemiEd
04-05-2007, 07:44 PM
I don't know how the agent can be at fault, he's an employee.

I am thinking most Agents are usually a little craftier (smarter), than their pro athlete clients. :shrug:

stevieray
04-05-2007, 07:48 PM
I am thinking most Agents are usually a little craftier (smarter), than their pro athlete clients. :shrug:

Not when they get fired.

;)

Claynus
04-05-2007, 07:48 PM
From bits of information that I have managed to remember since he was drafted. Seems like a couple years ago, maybe a year and half ago, Carl slapped him back down to earth.
The agent made a run for increase after Jared's rookie season and Carl squashed him. Some information was out about the agent then, in the papers.

Damn. Now I have an insatiable hunger to find out how deep this rabbit hole goes! WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN UNITE!!!

milkman
04-05-2007, 07:50 PM
Good question. I think they own his rights, which means he's still required to be there. I could be wrong.

They own his rights, but until he's signed to a contract, I don't believe he can be required to workout.

HemiEd
04-05-2007, 07:52 PM
Not when they get fired.

;)

No kidding, I wish he would do it. The best defensive player on our team should be represented by a top agent. They know when to play their cards.

milkman
04-05-2007, 07:59 PM
They own his rights, but until he's signed to a contract, I don't believe he can be required to workout.

Actually, the more I think about this, the more I'm convinced I'm correct.

Allen is a restricted free agent, correct?

He can still technically sign with any other team, as long as that team is willing to part with a first and third round pick.

htismaqe
04-05-2007, 08:00 PM
Actually, the more I think about this, the more I'm convinced I'm correct.

Allen is a restricted free agent, correct?

He can still technically sign with any other team, as long as that team is willing to part with a first and third round pick.

True.

Claynus
06-24-2007, 04:14 PM
Haha...this is great.

Check out Harris' website:

http://www.optimumsportsmgmt.com/

Now you have to LOG IN! LMAO

Ugly Duck
06-24-2007, 04:23 PM
Allen will not attend the team's mandatory offseason workouts, and he will not sign his one-year tender offer Jared Allen fuming, impending Larry Johnson holdout, 28 Chiefs veterans trying to get out of Kansas City last year.... other than that, your offseason is going OK!

boogblaster
06-24-2007, 04:29 PM
Be nice if he stayed ... he can play on Sunday.....

Kerberos
06-24-2007, 06:52 PM
Jared Allen fuming, impending Larry Johnson holdout, 28 Chiefs veterans trying to get out of Kansas City last year.... other than that, your offseason is going OK!

A organization in turmoil poke from a Chokeland fan.

Thats rich. ROFL

Guru
06-24-2007, 06:59 PM
Jared Allen fuming, impending Larry Johnson holdout, 28 Chiefs veterans trying to get out of Kansas City last year.... other than that, your offseason is going OK!
And you believe everything you hear too.

Ugly Duck
06-24-2007, 07:28 PM
A organization in turmoil poke from a Chokeland fan.

Thats rich. ROFL

Hey now.... our offseason is going so well that we got sanctioned for practicing too hard!

ChiefsfaninPA
06-24-2007, 07:30 PM
Hey now.... our offseason is going so well that we got sanctioned for practicing too hard!

Yeah a bunch of pussies over there. That is why you suck and will always suck. Your vets can't even practice hard. After how terrible your season went last year, you should've started training camp the day after the draft. You will need all the practice in pads you can get.

StcChief
06-24-2007, 07:39 PM
Surprise These agents are the real problem for these guys.

Guru
06-24-2007, 07:42 PM
Surprise These agents are the real problem for these guys.
Next question.