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Phobia
03-19-2001, 01:19 PM
'cuz he signed with the Jets.....

ptlyon
03-19-2001, 01:29 PM
ala Chris Farley...

SON-OV-A!!!!

soliday
03-19-2001, 01:48 PM
The Jets had a clear starting job to offer and we didn't. I think we'll see Lockett re-sign and maybe another veteran after June 1. I also think not signing Hatchette will speed up our signing a defensive lineman though.

Soliday

MrBlond
03-19-2001, 03:09 PM
I would rather have Dedric Ward. But at this point I am just hungry to sign ANYbody.

Phobia
03-19-2001, 03:11 PM
Anybody?

How about Carlton Gray, Jr.?

How about Mark McMillan, Jr.?

Any QB named Huard?

Be careful what you wish for.... :)

morphius
03-19-2001, 03:21 PM
If we had a QB, one would think that the hiring of Vermeil might have made this interesting to some FA's. Instead all the FA are signing before they come to visit, which means that most don't even assume we are worth their time.

What a change from a few years ago where FA's wanted to come to KC.

oleman47
03-19-2001, 03:43 PM
Not signing fa's is the greatest. The Chiefs are on a roll.

MrBlond
03-19-2001, 03:44 PM
KPhobia,

I heard that Mark McMillan Jr. is a full foot taller than his dad, and I know that Carlton Grey Jr. covers man to man better than his pop!!

DaWolf
03-19-2001, 03:49 PM
Morph,
But in reality, we're only talking about Brad Johnson who didn't visit, and Doug Flutie who wasn't a high priority in the first place. Hachette visited, probably said he wants a starting job and Joe Horn money, and we said later dude...

morphius
03-19-2001, 03:49 PM
Oleman47 - Not signing most of them is great, them not even taking the time to visit is another.

Red Till Dead
03-19-2001, 03:52 PM
I think we should look at moving Cartlon Gray to WR. He has a knack for getting open. Last year did not see an opposing player within 5 yards of him. He will have to improve his ball hawking skills, because the football was never within 5 yards of him as well.

morphius
03-19-2001, 03:54 PM
Dawolf - I suppose, it just seems like there has been more. I don't mind not signing FA's, it is normally not the best solution. Suppose I will feel a little better when I know where we stand with our QB, because right now I wouldn't expect many FA's are giving us a chance to be good anytime soon.

DaWolf
03-19-2001, 04:00 PM
Morph,
Of course, the last time this happened, we went 13-3. :)

oleman47
03-19-2001, 04:49 PM
Morphius
Two big events will bring fa's clamoring, the draft, and June 1st when most teams have to quit since they are out of money and needing to cut players. The high dollar, name recognition, will be all gone, just some young, cheap, sleepers left plus some of our own that couldn't find a home. Free Agency gives you two options, pay through the nose for an old gamble or take a chance on an untried sleeper reject. If the word is out on the street that you are only going cheap, you may have some no shows. It only means you didn't want them enough or they for sure would have been here.

morphius
03-19-2001, 05:03 PM
DaWolf - Are there any FA QB's coming out of SF :)

Oleman47 - Paying too much for an aging veteran is a bad thing, I can't agree more. It gets a lot of teams every year. I guess I liked the years when we were able to get FA's who wanted to come here because of the fans, the city and he orginization. I think with the boo'ing of Elvis, the way we talk about people we cut and the way we fired Gun and maybe a little with Bam and Vanover that players don't really want to come here like they did at one time.

DaWolf
03-19-2001, 05:20 PM
Morph,
I disagree about them not wanting to come here. Bottom line is show them the money and the interest they'll be here. The Chiefs have to target someone and go after them though. I can't figure out what is happening, do they seriously want to wait until QB is solved, or are they just going to go ahead? I can understand waiting a bit more if the QB deal is imminent, but since it is not, it makes no sense to just kick back. The front office is very secretive so who knows who they're targeting. In Holme's case they probably figure they'll let him figure out his market, see the money isn't there, and then negotiate at their price. Else there's Garner or the draft to look to. There are a lot of recievers, so maybe they'll look back to Ward, bring Lockett back, or draft one. June 1 brings a lot more cuts, and that's a time when Carl is a bit more active. I think the chiefs are being patient here. Not many teams have the cap room we do. And there aren't really any "must have" free agents out there right now. I think Carl is thinking that once all these guys get overpaid for, you have a lot of cap room and the market is smaller, and you can get some quality guys at your price. But we'll see. Usually if the Chiefs target a guy as a priority signing, they get him. Problem is right now they need to start targeting guys...

soliday
03-19-2001, 05:51 PM
DaWolf,

I get the sense that if they have a set of criteria for free agents and if the guy doesn't fit those then they're willing to wait for someone who does to shake loose. I think those criteria include the fit to the offense the Chiefs in mind, their character and locker-room presence, the price their asking of course, and age.
Wiegman is a center who's young, adept at pass-blocking, a fiery competitor and good locker-room presence, and mobile enough to get to the MLB on draws and traps. Hence, the Chiefs went after him instead of Grunny or any other free agent. Stryzinski is a good locker-room guy, extremely adept at insuring field position on special teams. The Chiefs moved on these guys because made them better on the field and in the locker-room, and they fit the system in mind without breaking the cap. And they moved pretty quickly on them.

I think the Chiefs are also being very careful in trying to maintain the repair to the cap that they've made over the last month, and they'll continue to be very cautious of the cap. That's why I think free agents like Priest Holmes or Kevin Lockett or Keith Washington or Troy Aikman or, now, Steve Beuerlein will be more likely to draw the Chiefs attention than the higher priced guys. Trent Green is also a guy that fits these criteria for the Chiefs, but it's an iffy question only because of the compensation. But just like the cap, they'll be very cautious. I think they're in a mode of not making mistakes in these inital moves of the off-season, lest they do damage to the long-term prospects. They're building, or re-building, a margin of error for the future.

Soliday