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Phobia
03-20-2001, 02:33 PM
I just lost my job today. I'd been working really well with our director until last fall when he was replaced by a rookie. This guy and myself butted head several times until today. Now I don't have to worry about him any more. The part I'm sad about is that it was a really cool place to work. Every other friday off, 4 wks vacation, stock options, frequent bonuses. I think I'll command a higher salary elsewhere but not nearly all those perks. Anyway, I consider a lot of you guys friends and I thank you for allowing me to vent. For the next couple of weeks, I can be found golfing, on this board, or interviewing.

NaptownChief
03-20-2001, 02:36 PM
KPhob,

Sorry to hear that...Too bad it didn't happen about six months ago when the economy and job market was booming but I am sure you will come out of it in great shape and with a better golf game....

Good luck

AJKCFAN
03-20-2001, 02:37 PM
Phil:

Sorry buddy. That's rough. As much as you enjoyed the perks of the job, this (now-former) boss of yours is a know-all prick... you don't need that.

You'll land on your feet in no time.

Good things happen to good people, Phil. If I've learned anything about you these past few weeeks, it's that you're a good person...

Iowanian
03-20-2001, 02:46 PM
that sucks....BUT!!!

At least you made it through winter...Spring will help things as projects begin..should be easier to find a new and hopefully better position.....and if it takes a while...at least the weather should be nice.

I happen to have this little "drew careyesque I hate you dance" for just such an occasion...feel free to use it on the prick your last day...

It looks kind of like the "dirty bird" with your middle fingers extended and repeat in alternating cadences "I hate you, I hate you hate you hate you, I HATE you, hate you...etc...(I'm sure you'll be as smooth as Patrick Swayze in the sissy dance movie girls like)

bishop_74
03-20-2001, 02:53 PM
Don 't you live in Austin too? Come work with me at the Capitol. Lots of days off and GREAT retirement. Sorry about the d!ckhead that fired you though.

Archie F. Swin
03-20-2001, 02:57 PM
KPhobia,

If it makes you feel better (and this is the first time I have mentioned this)I got fired the same day Gunther did.

:confused: What Red Pants? . . . its true

Fortunately another prospective employer called the same day, but my current job pays so poorly I doubt I could afford to do it for much longer.

My ultimate goal is to get a talk show at a local AM radio station. In fact, I plan to speak with a station manager within the the coming weeks. I want this job so bad I can taste it.

Good Luck My Friend, you seem like the type that could do whatever you put your mind to.

Best Wishes,
John

Phobia
03-20-2001, 02:58 PM
Nah, I live in Houston - and I don't really wanna move to Austin. Actually, I do but I have kids in Houston and that's a heckuva drive 1st, 3rd, 5th weekends of the month.

Thanks for all the well wishes, guys. I'm viewing it as an opportunity plus the stress level I acquired last fall has been greatly reduced. If any of you guys are in HR, take note that, when a person is a stellar employee and then becomes public enemy number one overnight, it may have a little something to do with that new manager.....

It's cool though. I'll vent for a couple of days and be over it. I've found that's a LOT better than bottling it all up!

Phobia
03-20-2001, 03:00 PM
CRP - weren't you a TV weather guy recently? Bummer about you losing your job, too.

I think we've had several people unemployed on this board in the past several months. That blows!

ChiTown
03-20-2001, 03:00 PM
Phil

Sorry to hear about the job, but you're a good man and you'll land on your feet quick.

I now your pain, as my partnership dissolved last November. Fortunately, I was able to hook on with another firm within 2 weeks. It's scary being out of a job, but better to have the piece of mind not having to work for an a-hole.

Good luck!

Pat

ct
03-20-2001, 03:04 PM
Damn shame to hear ya got shafted, Phil! Very sorry to hear this. I'm afraid I only know one other person in Houston(the Mrs' Aunt), and she's a midwife. Guessing she won't be any good for a contact. ;)

ct
wish you the best in your golf game..er, job search

Phobia
03-20-2001, 03:04 PM
The worst part about it is that there was a golf tournament I was going to on Friday. The company is a charitable sponsor and I was one of 12 who was selected to play in it. It was being played on a private course I've never had the opportunity to play before. I guess things really aren't so bad if that's one of my only regrets.

It could be much worse. I could be losing my house.....

ct
03-20-2001, 03:05 PM
So what do you do for a livin?

Phobia
03-20-2001, 03:07 PM
Cory,

Yeah, let me "network" with the midwife. That's how I find all my girlfriends.... :)

Phobia
03-20-2001, 03:08 PM
Cory,

I'm a network manager. I build, design, & maintain computer networks. I'm currently focusing on Windows 2000 Server and Exchange 2000.

Archie F. Swin
03-20-2001, 03:10 PM
yeah KP . . . I wore a couple of hats at a local TV station(KAUZ). One was that of a weather person.

The TV station down the street(KFDX) (the only other one in town) hired me the next week as an Audio Mixer and that's what I do now.

A TV station 45 miles to the north (KSWO) called me wanting me as part of their weather team once thy found out I left KAUZ. The money would be better, but the schedule would be unfavorable.

I'm really in no position be choosey.

Cormac
03-20-2001, 03:10 PM
Phil,

Sorry to hear about your crappy luck, but kudos for taking it so well. There are some people you just can't get along with. You'll have the last laugh though I'm sure.

Bummer about the golf tourament.

BIG_DADDY
03-20-2001, 03:11 PM
Phil,

Sorry to hear it. Take a little time to get some golf in. I was curious too, what do you do?

BIG_DADDY
03-20-2001, 03:13 PM
Phil,

Are you options under water?

Phobia
03-20-2001, 03:18 PM
Nah - I cashed what was vested in today. Unforunately, I was only about 10% vested. 90% of my options were wasted. I made a little bit and I have the 4 weeks vacation and 2 weeks that they gave me. I was really hoping for a package. I also think I could have a pretty good wrongful termination lawsuit but that's not really my style.

BIG_DADDY
03-20-2001, 03:24 PM
Phil,

How long were you there?

Phobia
03-20-2001, 03:26 PM
It would have been 2 years in September. And I was there for 3 months as a contractor.

BIG_DADDY
03-20-2001, 03:33 PM
You had no reason to believe that this was coming? Write ups or anything like that? Actually this is a great time to get a new job if the company is good and you get options as many executives are under water on their options now anyways.

Phobia
03-20-2001, 03:42 PM
It was a natural gas company so everyone has been unloading options.

I saw it coming as soon as the prick was promoted. We couldn't agree on anything and he wanted to be informed every time I took a piss. I'm actually relieved, I think. Everyone on staff was shocked and the people that worked for me are now freaking out. I really had a great reputation. The HR director was visably upset and she does these things every day. I think I just clashed with a fast-tracker. A case of unfortunate timing.

BIG_DADDY
03-20-2001, 03:54 PM
If there is no documentation of disciplinary action then you definately have a case. I have never sued anybody for anything so I also understand not wanting to do that. Irregarless what what you choose to do, good luck to you.

ChiTown
03-20-2001, 04:07 PM
Phil

Big Daddy is right. If they have not been priming you that this was on it's way, then you have got a legitimate b1tch to ask for more than the 2 weeks they so generously gave you.

I worked for one of the biggest energy companies in the US (45 Billion in annual revenues), and I can tell you that files must be thick and well documented before you fire a person for unaccountable reasons. Additionally, the more experienced that you are the more that they must compensate you. Generally speaking, it's 2-4 weeks of severance for every year of service you have given the employer (for salaried employees). When the firing comes under questionable circumstances, whereby the employee met the employers criteria for performance but was still let go, you can get much more than that. Shoot me an e-mail and describe your circumstances to me, if you want some free advice.

Good Luck,

ChiTown

Mile High Mania
03-20-2001, 06:13 PM
KPhobia,

Sorry to hear about what happened. That sucks. Lots of people have been let go recently, hell my wife was let go about two months ago. She has been painting and other things around the house. She was only there for 8 months and they gave her a 2 month severance, I was shocked, but I won't complain.

If you are marketable, and it sounds like you are, then there is no reason to think you can't find an equal or better job somewhere else.

I hate lawsuits and in your case it may not be worth the time and effort.

You said you were a "network manager" and your niche is Win/Exchange 2000... I know there are opportunities for you. Have you considered hooking up with a web hosting company? That's the business that I'm in, but I'm on the sales end. My company doesn't have anything in Houston, but I know companies like mine would be interested in your services. Especially, if you are network centric and have knowledge of Cisco.

Anywho, I'm sure you are quite up to speed on your options.
Good luck!

Phobia
03-20-2001, 08:03 PM
Cool, Brad.

Yeah, I shouldn't have a hard time finding anything. Unfortunately, I don't know Ciscos as well as I used to. I've been strictly a wall-in kind of guy for the past 3-4 years. Infrastructure has been handled by a telecomm dept in the companies I've worked for.

The only reason I even began to consider legal action is because I know a guy that was a real screwup and he got a 2 month package and had only been at the company for 5 months. I was shocked that I wasn't offered one. I probably won't pursue it but it's an option.

keg in kc
03-20-2001, 08:07 PM
Just my humble opinion, but I think you should persue it, based on what I've read in this thread (obviously I don't know everything...). Sounds like a legit injustice and I don't think you should just roll over and "take one for the team". No reason to try to get the company by the balls or try to take advantage of them legally, but at the same time, you deserve a certain amount of respect for the time you put in and the quality of work that you did.

Frazod
03-20-2001, 08:13 PM
Tough break, Phil. Lots of it going around, too. Much like Brad's wife, the BNC lost her job last week (although the f#ckers manipulated it to make it look like she quit, so she can't file for unemployment). All this with us on the verge of buying a house, too. Hopefully everyone will find something new quickly.

Best of luck to you. And of course the upside is you don't have to put up with your dick ex-boss anymore!

RJ
03-20-2001, 08:22 PM
While it sucks to find yourself out of work, at least it happened in the spring. Hopefully you're in a position to play some golf and let the stress melt away.

I lost a job last summer when the company went OB. Stock options, good pay, autonomy...out the window. National company, thought I would work there for many years. Took another job for 6 months, hated it and wasn't at all suited for the type of work. Finally quit one day out of frustation.

The outcome of all this is that I moved from south Texas (which I hated) back to Albuquerque (which I love) and now find that I feel better, sleep better, eat better and am considerably more relaxed. I'm not currently making the money I'm used to, but I'm sure that will change over time.

The moral of the story, of course, is that these things kind of have a way of working themselves out. Hang in there and keep us posted on your situation.

Mile High Mania
03-20-2001, 08:24 PM
Hey, I apologize for the language... but, have any of you checked out this site? http://www.****edcompany.com No, it's not porno, so don't worry.

Go take a look. Lots of disgruntled "ex" employees and I'm sure some current ones submit internal information, gossip, emails, etc to this site.

Just for giggles, do a search on PSINet and read the letter from the Sales Director to his team in CA. It's a freaking riot!

It's an especially good read when you're feeling down!

Mile High Mania
03-20-2001, 08:26 PM
Ok, obviously there are not **** in that site.
Just fill in the blanks... f u and you should know the rest.

Frazod
03-20-2001, 09:13 PM
Brad, I checked out that f#ckedcompany site. Wow. I've only read a couple of 20 pages of the PSI thread, which is basically a hate-filled, venomous, profanity-laced holy war between salespeople and IT people. I've never seen the F-word used so frequently in my life, and I'm an ex-sailor. This thread makes Goodfellas look like Snow White. It's pretty funny, but after a while you need to take a break from it.

If you are not easily offended, it's worth a look. Otherwise-trust me on this-just stay away. :eek: