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Ari Chi3fs
04-12-2007, 07:10 AM
According to E. Howard Hunt, whose kept the secret until near death. Interesting read.

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The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt
He was the ultimate keeper of secrets, lurking in the shadows of American history. He toppled banana republics, planned the Bay of Pigs invasion and led the Watergate break-in. Now he would reveal what he'd always kept hidden: who killed JFK

ERIK HEDEGAARD

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Once, when the old spymaster thought he was dying, his eldest son came to visit him at his home in Miami. The scourges recently had been constant and terrible: lupus, pneumonia, cancers of the jaw and prostate, gangrene, the amputation of his left leg. It was like something was eating him up. Long past were his years of heroic service to the country. In the CIA, he'd helped mastermind the violent removal of a duly elected leftist president in Guatemala and assisted in subterfuges that led to the murder of Che Guevara. But no longer could you see in him the suave, pipe-smoking, cocktail-party-loving clandestine operative whose Cold War exploits he himself had, almost obsessively, turned into novels, one of which, East of Farewell, the New York Times once called "the best sea story" of World War II. Diminished too were the old bad memories, of the Bay of Pigs debacle that derailed his CIA career for good, of the Watergate Hotel fiasco, of his first wife's death, of thirty-three months in U.S. prisons -- of, in fact, a furious lifetime mainly of failure, disappointment and pain. But his firstborn son -- he named him St. John; Saint, for short -- was by his side now. And he still had a secret or two left to share before it was all over.

They were in the living room, him in his wheelchair, watching Fox News at full volume, because his hearing had failed too. After a while, he had St. John wheel him into his bedroom and hoist him onto his bed. It smelled foul in there; he was incontinent; a few bottles of urine under the bed needed to be emptied; but he was beyond caring. He asked St. John to get him a diet root beer, a pad of paper and a pen.

Saint had come to Miami from Eureka, California, borrowing money to fly because he was broke. Though clean now, he had been a meth addict for twenty years, a meth dealer for ten of those years and a source of frustration and anger to his father for much of his life. There were a couple of days back in 1972, after the Watergate job, when the boy, then eighteen, had risen to the occasion. The two of them, father and son, had wiped fingerprints off a bunch of spy gear, and Saint had helped in other ways, too. But as a man, he had two felony convictions to his name, and they were for drugs. The old spymaster was a convicted felon too, of course. But that was different. He was E. Howard Hunt, a true American patriot, and he had earned his while serving his country. That the country repaid him with almost three years in prison was something he could never understand, if only because the orders that got him in such trouble came right from the top; as he once said, "I had always assumed, working for the CIA for so many years, that anything the White House wanted done was the law of the land."

Years had gone by when he and St. John hardly spoke. But then St. John came to him wanting to know if he had any information about the assassination of President Kennedy. Despite almost universal skepticism, his father had always maintained that he didn't. He swore to this during two government investigations. "I didn't have anything to do with the assassination, didn't know anything about it," he said during one of them. "I did my time for Watergate. I shouldn't have to do additional time and suffer additional losses for something I had nothing to do with."

But now, in August 2003, propped up in his sickbed, paper on his lap, pen in hand and son sitting next to him, he began to write down the names of men who had indeed participated in a plot to kill the president. He had lied during those two federal investigations. He knew something after all. He told St. John about his own involvement, too. It was explosive stuff, with the potential to reconfigure the JFK-assassination-theory landscape. And then he got better and went on to live for four more years.

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Read the rest of the story http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt/print

BucEyedPea
04-12-2007, 07:17 AM
And then he got better and went on to live for four more years.
It's amazing what a confession from the human psyche has on our health.
People should try it more often.

chagrin
04-12-2007, 07:33 AM
Excellent stuff man, thanks

StcChief
04-12-2007, 07:42 AM
Reported in Rolling Stone???

I've always wondered about the LBJ Texas connection and Kennedy's death.

BucEyedPea
04-12-2007, 07:48 AM
I've always wondered about the LBJ Texas connection and Kennedy's death.
I've heard this one before as I have that it was the Bush family. :shrug:

StcChief
04-12-2007, 08:18 AM
I've heard this one before as I have that it was the Bush family. :shrug:
Never heard the Bush family deal behind JFK. nothing surprises me anymore.

BucEyedPea
04-12-2007, 08:22 AM
Never heard the Bush family deal behind JFK. nothing surprises me anymore.
Not sayin' I believe it, just pointing out how "who did it" runs all over the spectrum. I never heard it before either, until sometime in the past 4-5 years from random googling. I think there may even be a book on the Bush family that includes it iirc.

Cochise
04-12-2007, 09:45 AM
After his release, Hunt moved to Miami, where he remarried, had two more children and spent three decades living a quiet, unexceptional life, steadfastly refusing to talk about Watergate, much less the Kennedy assassination. His connection to the JFK assassination came about almost serendipitously, when in 1974 a researcher stumbled across a photo of three tramps standing in Dallas' Dealey Plaza. It was taken on November 22nd, 1963, the day of Kennedy's shooting, and one of the tramps looked pretty much like E. Howard. In early inquiries, official and otherwise, he always denied any involvement. In later years, he'd offer a curt "No comment." And then, earlier this year, at the age of eighty-eight, he died -- though not before writing an autobiography, American Spy: My Secret History in the CIA, Watergate & Beyond, published last month. Not surprisingly, those things he wrote down about JFK's death and gave to his eldest son don't make an appearance in the book, at least not in any definitive way. E. Howard had apparently decided to take them to the grave. But St. John still has the memo -- "It has all this stuff in it," he says, "the chain of command, names, people, places, dates. He wrote it out to me directly, in his own handwriting, starting with the initials 'LBJ' " -- and he's decided it's time his father's last secrets finally see some light, for better or for worse.

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That time in miami, with saint by his bed and disease eating away at him and him thinking he's six months away from death, E. Howard finally put pen to paper and started writing. Saint had been working toward this moment for a long while, and now it was going to happen. He got his father an A&W diet root beer, then sat down in the old man's wheelchair and waited.

E. Howard scribbled the initials "LBJ," standing for Kennedy's ambitious vice president, Lyndon Johnson. Under "LBJ," connected by a line, he wrote the name Cord Meyer. Meyer was a CIA agent whose wife had an affair with JFK; later she was murdered, a case that's never been solved. Next his father connected to Meyer's name the name Bill Harvey, another CIA agent; also connected to Meyer's name was the name David Morales, yet another CIA man and a well-known, particularly vicious black-op specialist. And then his father connected to Morales' name, with a line, the framed words "French Gunman Grassy Knoll."

So there it was, according to E. Howard Hunt. LBJ had Kennedy killed. It had long been speculated upon. But now E. Howard was saying that's the way it was. And that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't the only shooter in Dallas. There was also, on the grassy knoll, a French gunman, presumably the Corsican Mafia assassin Lucien Sarti, who has figured prominently in other assassination theories.

"By the time he handed me the paper, I was in a state of shock," Saint says. "His whole life, to me and everybody else, he'd always professed to not know anything about any of it. But I knew this had to be the truth. If my dad was going to make anything up, he would have made something up about the Mafia, or Castro, or Khrushchev. He didn't like Johnson. But you don't falsely implicate your own country, for Christ's sake. My father is old-school, a dyed-in-the-wool patriot, and that's the last thing he would do."

Later that week, E. Howard also gave Saint two sheets of paper that contained a fuller narrative. It starts out with LBJ again, connecting him to Cord Meyer, then goes on: "Cord Meyer discusses a plot with [David Atlee] Phillips who brings in Wm. Harvey and Antonio Veciana. He meets with Oswald in Mexico City. . . . Then Veciana meets w/ Frank Sturgis in Miami and enlists David Morales in anticipation of killing JFK there. But LBJ changes itinerary to Dallas, citing personal reasons."

David Atlee Phillips, the CIA's Cuban operations chief in Miami at the time of JFK's death, knew E. Howard from the Guatemala-coup days. Veciana is a member of the Cuban exile community. Sturgis, like Saint's father, is supposed to have been one of the three tramps photographed in Dealey Plaza. Sturgis was also one of the Watergate plotters, and he is a man whom E. Howard, under oath, has repeatedly sworn to have not met until Watergate, so to Saint the mention of his name was big news.

In the next few paragraphs, E. Howard goes on to describe the extent of his own involvement. It revolves around a meeting he claims he attended, in 1963, with Morales and Sturgis. It takes place in a Miami hotel room. Here's what happens:

Morales leaves the room, at which point Sturgis makes reference to a "Big Event" and asks E. Howard, "Are you with us?"

E. Howard asks Sturgis what he's talking about.

Sturgis says, "Killing JFK."

E. Howard, "incredulous," says to Sturgis, "You seem to have everything you need. Why do you need me?" In the handwritten narrative, Sturgis' response is unclear, though what E. Howard says to Sturgis next isn't: He says he won't "get involved in anything involving Bill Harvey, who is an alcoholic psycho."

After that, the meeting ends. E. Howard goes back to his "normal" life and "like the rest of the country . . . is stunned by JFK's death and realizes how lucky he is not to have had a direct role."

After reading what his father had written, St. John was stunned too. His father had not only implicated LBJ, he'd also, with a few swift marks of a pen, put the lie to almost everything he'd sworn to, under oath, about his knowledge of the assassination. Saint had a million more questions. But his father was exhausted and needed to sleep, and then Saint had to leave town without finishing their talk, though a few weeks later he did receive in the mail a tape recording from his dad. E. Howard's voice on the cassette is weak and grasping, and he sometimes wanders down unrelated pathways. But he essentially remakes the same points he made in his handwritten narrative.

Shortly thereafter, Laura found out what had been going on, and with the help of E. Howard's attorney put an end to it. St. John and his father were kept apart. When they did see each other, they were never left alone. And they never got a chance to finish what they'd started. Instead, the old man set about writing his autobiography and turned his back on his son. He wrote him a letter in which he said that Saint's life had been nothing but "meaningless, self-serving instant gratification," that he had never amounted to anything and never would. He asked for his JFK memos back, and Saint returned them, though not before making copies.

There is no way to confirm Hunt's allegations -- all but one of the co-conspirators he named are long gone. St. John, for his part, believes his father. E. Howard was lucid when he made his confession. He was taking no serious medications, and he and his son were finally on good terms. If anything, St. John believes, his father was holding out on him, the old spy keeping a few secrets in reserve, just in case.

jAZ
04-12-2007, 10:08 AM
He asked for his JFK memos back, and Saint returned them, though not before making copies.

There is no way to confirm Hunt's allegations -- all but one of the co-conspirators he named are long gone. St. John, for his part, believes his father.
Let's start by getting his copies of the memos and the audio tape confession and getting them checked for authenticity. Then make an effort to talk to someone other than Kevin Costner. How about making an effort to interview that one remaining co-conspirator?

Fairly shitty journalism if you ask me.

Huge story, huge implications. This makes Dan Rather's due dilligence look heroic.

Logical
04-12-2007, 10:26 AM
I heard this rumor in the late 60s

StcChief
04-12-2007, 10:56 AM
Let's start by getting his copies of the memos and the audio tape confession and getting them checked for authenticity. Then make an effort to talk to someone other than Kevin Costner. How about making an effort to interview that one remaining co-conspirator?

Fairly shitty journalism if you ask me.

Huge story, huge implications. This makes Dan Rather's due dilligence look heroic.
For God sake it's Rolling Stone magazine not exactly their line of work.

But sh1tty journalism is what media has become.

Donger
04-12-2007, 11:03 AM
I'm not usually one for conspiracies, but I've never believed that the JFK head shot came from behind.

Cochise
04-12-2007, 11:16 AM
For God sake it's Rolling Stone magazine not exactly their line of work.

But sh1tty journalism is what media has become.

All that Rolling Stone is doing is reporting that Hunt's son says he has the evidence. They are not attesting to the factuality of it. They are reporting that he is making this claim, then detailing the claim.

It is for others to decide whether this theory best explains the facts of the JFK assassination and if this is the most likely explanation.

Personally, I've read several books on Watergate and what is written here about Hunt is not hard for me to believe. Whether you believe him that he was aware of or participated in the JFK plot, that's up to you. But the other stuff it says about Hunt, that all sounds substantially true. Not that I'm an expert on him, but it fits with what I know of him as a figure in this other major incident.

The thing as a whole doesn't seem that hard to believe. Obviously the Warren story doesn't add up.

This is one of the few examples where a conspiracy seems likely to have been the truth, because the simple explanations based on observables don't seem to be able to produce any credible explanation.

OnTheWarpath58
04-12-2007, 02:16 PM
I'm not usually one for conspiracies, but I've never believed that the JFK head shot came from behind.

I'm with you there.

Had the headshot come from behind, Kennedy's brains would have ended up in the front seat with Governor Connally. not to mention there would be little left of his face. Entrance wounds = small. Exit wounds = large.

Instead, Jackie is on the trunk of the car trying to gather what is left if it.

And Kennedy's face is fully intact in the autopsy photos.......

Taco John
04-12-2007, 04:58 PM
I've always thought that you'd have to be extremely gullible to believe that LHO managed to single-handedly thwart the Secret Service and murder the most powerful man in the world.