Fox is Still Fox

[gblowfish]

You can count on Fox to be consistent.
Here's the actual quote from Obama:
"I think that nobody wants to play chicken with our troops on the ground." ~Barack Obama

[gblowfish]

Here's Fox's graphic reporting the story:

[HolmeZz]

I also heard he's a muslim.

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[Pitt Gorilla]

Good Lord. There is no way that is real. Nobody is that blatantly stupid.

[patteeu]

That looks like something Taco John and dirk digler would do.

"This is about imminent threat."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03

:p

[BucEyedPea]

Here's Fox's graphic reporting the story:


I've been noticing things like this regarding Fox News in the past year more and more. Not only do they consistently take things outta context but they're the King of Half Truths or speculation being reported as certain fact. At least regards those they don't like, whose views they don't like or the war. It's a classic study in propaganda. On top of that is the whole tone of voice...they are an angry bellicose lot. Ever hear an angry person tell the truth? Not I.

It used to me my news station and I still occassionally tune it, for other issues, but I turn it off more and more these days.

[Hog Farmer]

Obama Sucks!

[Bowser]

Obama Sucks!

Shouldn't you be jacking off a wild boar or something?

[patteeu]

[T]hey're the King of Half Truths or speculation being reported as certain fact.

Interesting take, my Queen.

[Hillary's] on record as supporting use of military force on Iran.

This is fun! :p

[BucEyedPea]

Difference is that she IS on record as saying that.
She either is or is not as an option or not.
Obama is not a Muslim. He either is or is not.

[Hog Farmer]

Obama swore himself in on the Koran. He would like nothing more than to blow your shit up.

[noa]

Obama swore himself in on the Koran. He would like nothing more than to blow your shit up.


He'll be more subtle than that. He'll trick all non-Muslims into detention camps before he blows us up and ushers in the era of the 12th Imam.

[banyon]

Obama swore himself in on the Koran. He would like nothing more than to blow your shit up.

Why do people just make up vengeful lies like this?

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/wls/wls_010405_obama_oath.jpg

Senators aren't even sworn in on a Bible, they just raise their hands and say the oath.

[Chief Faithful]

Obama swore himself in on the Koran. He would like nothing more than to blow your shit up.

Osama Obama

[patteeu]

Why do people just make up vengeful lies like this?

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/wls/wls_010405_obama_oath.jpg

Senators aren't even sworn in on a Bible, they just raise their hands and say the oath.

WTF? Who are those other bastards swearing in on the Koran?
:cuss: LMAO

[Direckshun]

I swear myself in on the Koran every afternoon before I log onto ChiefsPlanet.

Allah Akbar

[StcChief]

Fox is Still Fox

and Air America is still...out of business

[Lzen]

WTF? Who are those other bastards swearing in on the Koran?
:cuss: LMAO

That dude on the right looks kinda like Pat Morita.

"Wax on, wax off."

[Pitt Gorilla]

and Air America is still...out of businessThat seems like a fair comparison.

[StcChief]

That seems like a fair comparison.

There is stuff further to the right than FOX...

[Taco John]

and Air America is still...out of business



Actually, it's still on the air.

[HolmeZz]

There is stuff further to the right than FOX...

That's the scary part.

[CHIEF4EVER]

People who think FOX are far right are laughable. They enjoy the highest ratings in the news biz by a country mile because they aren't so left wing like ABC, CBS, PMSNBC, CNN et al. They have their share of right wing talk shows (and even then the moonbats get their fair say) but the news is generally not slanted to either side to a great degree. Lefties have a problem with FOX because FOX doesn't kiss their asses and tell them they are right all the time.

[Sully]

ROFL

[HolmeZz]

People who think FOX are far right are laughable. They enjoy the highest ratings in the news biz by a country mile because they aren't so left wing like ABC, CBS, PMSNBC, CNN et al

No, they have the highest ratings because they're the only conservative news channel. Those other 'liberal' outlets have to share viewers.

It's called logic. Learn to love it.

[CHIEF4EVER]

No, they have the highest ratings because they're the only conservative news channel. Those other 'liberal' outlets have to share viewers.

It's called logic. Use it.

Whatever......dunce. :rolleyes: Color me unsurprised that the moonbats here don't agree. Plugging your ears and saying 'LALALALALA' doesn't mean the truth is going to change. FOX is by far the fairest reporter of NEWS on the air today. Note I didn't mention shows like O'Reilly, etc. I merely mentioned the news.

[HolmeZz]

I'm not surprised you're immune to logic. That's what makes you a Fox News guy after all.

[CHIEF4EVER]

I'm not surprised you're immune to logic. That's what makes you a Fox News guy after all.

I never said I was a FOX news guy. I simply said that they report the news (note: not editorials) in the most fair fashion of any of the networks and thus have the best ratings. That means people who would normally watch obviously left wing slanted bullshit on the other networks chose to migrate to a more fair network to get their information. I'm not surprised that you can't grasp a concept that logical. :p

[HolmeZz]

The only people who watch Fox News are conservatives and people who want to laugh at conservatives.

[CHIEF4EVER]

The only people who watch Fox News are conservatives and people who want to laugh at conservatives.

In your rather deluded opinion.

[HolmeZz]

Nah, I think that's pretty accurate.

[CHIEF4EVER]

Nah, I think that's pretty accurate.

Because you are deluded. Try thinking on your own rather than letting Moveon.org indoctrinate you.

[HolmeZz]

It's evident you don't know me very well.

[CHIEF4EVER]

It's evident you don't know me very well.

And vice versa. Touche'

[HolmeZz]

By the way, here's how Fox News advertised their "1/2 Hour News Hour" program:

"From bashing Obama to trashing Hillary and slamming the ACLU — Finally, there's a show for the rest of us! You made us the #1 new show on cable, so this time we'll hit 'em even harder!"

They're more than aware of their audience. You apparently aren't though.

[CHIEF4EVER]

By the way, here's how Fox News advertised their "1/2 Hour News Hour" program:

"From bashing Obama to trashing Hillary and slamming the ACLU — Finally, there's a show for the rest of us! You made us the #1 new show on cable, so this time we'll hit 'em even harder!"

They're more than aware of their audience. You apparently aren't though.

BTW the Half Hour News Hour is a COMEDY SHOW. A popular one. I see you aren't aware of the difference between a comedy show and reporting of the news. No surprise there. The left has told you to be outraged by anything critical of it or disagreeing with it in any way and like a good little robot you are. You are well trained.

[HolmeZz]

That's enough. I was tolerant of you trying to make Fox News out to be fair and balanced. But I'm not going to stand by idly while you refer to that show as comedy.

[CHIEF4EVER]

That's enough. I was tolerant of you trying to make Fox News out to be fair and balanced. But I'm not going to stand by idly while you refer to that show as comedy.

Are you saying the 'Half Hour News Hour' ISN'T a comedy show? LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

[HolmeZz]

It isn't. Comedy, by definition, should be funny. I guess you could call it Attempted Comedy.

Are you actually saying it isn't a slanted show? If it is, then why would Fox News have a right-wing slanted show if they're fair and balanced? Wouldn't that alienate all those viewers you say they have?

[|Zach|]

A popular one.
You believe this?

[HolmeZz]

You believe this?

He's just going to point to the ratings. He's not going to pay any attention to all the terrible things that have been said about it, from both sides.

[BucEyedPea]

It isn't. Comedy, by definition, should be funny. I guess you could call it Attempted Comedy.

Are you actually saying it isn't a slanted show? If it is, then why would Fox News have a right-wing slanted show if they're fair and balanced? Wouldn't that alienate all those viewers you say they have?
Fox is fair and balanced precisely because it's other programming is not family friendly, nor based on traditional values. They have their fair share of smut. In fact, Murdoch who owns it, broadcasts pornography into India even, which is upsetting to a religious demographic. Or so I read. Want family friendly, traditional values entertainment? Watch the The Hallmark channel. Conclusion: Fox is not really true right-wing. It is NeoConservative. There are no real right-wing channels.But I'd say Bill O'R is more his own man. It's just his views fit the bill for Fox well enough.

[CHIEF4EVER]

It isn't. Comedy, by definition, should be funny. I guess you could call it Attempted Comedy.

Are you actually saying it isn't a slanted show? If it is, then why would Fox News have a right-wing slanted show if they're fair and balanced? Wouldn't that alienate all those viewers you say they have?

Just because you don't find it funny doesn't mean it isn't. And you still haven't been able to differentiate between NEWS and COMEDY. No, a comedy show that doesn't appeal to moderates wouldn't keep them from watching FACTUAL news on the same station. They simply wouldn't watch the comedy show and watch something else instead. For exactly the same reason most people don't watch ABC, CBS, PMSNBC or the Clinton News Network anymore. They voted with their remotes. Like it or not, most americans don't subscribe to the far left wacko lunatic idealogy that you do and desire to hear their news without all the left wing bullshit. It is what it is bro.

[HolmeZz]

Just because you don't find it funny doesn't mean it isn't. And you still haven't been able to differentiate between NEWS and COMEDY.

I understand the difference. You just haven't been able to explain why a channel you've deemed fair and balanced(with viewers from both the right and the left supposedly) would put on a right-wing slanted show, when that would just alienate most of their apparent viewers.

[CHIEF4EVER]

I understand the difference. You just haven't been able to explain why a channel you've deemed fair and balanced(with viewers from both the right and the left supposedly) would put on a right-wing slanted show, when that would just alienate most of their apparent viewers.
Had you read the entirety of my previous post you would have your answer. People vote with their remotes. If they don't want to watch a particular program they don't. Most people don't watch the 'Half Hour News Hour' but DO watch FOX News. Why? The content is more appealing to moderates than blatant left wing horseshit. Like I said...it is what it is.

[HolmeZz]

That doesn't explain why Fox would put that type of programming on, nor does it explain why they'd advertise it in the manner they do.

[CHIEF4EVER]

That doesn't explain why Fox would put that type of programming on, nor does it explain why they'd advertise it in the manner they do.
They do it to try to increase ratings and make money. If it works, great. If it doesn't, it gets cancelled like a stamp at the post office. With the advertising they are trying to target a certain target audience. If it doesn't pay off, they stop. All networks are the same in that regard.

[HolmeZz]

How do they increase their ratings by playing to just a segment of their audience?

[CHIEF4EVER]

How do they increase their ratings by playing to just a segment of their audience?

The same way any other network does it. Why does the parent network of Nutball pitch that left wing crap so hard?

[HolmeZz]

You still aren't understanding. If they wanted higher ratings, why wouldn't they put out a show that appealed to all their viewers?

[CHIEF4EVER]

I am understanding just fine, you simply don't WANT to understand and aren't reading the answer you want to see. Sorry bro, welcome to the REAL world. Most people don't agree with lefties.

[banyon]

Fox is fair and balanced precisely because it's other programming is not family friendly, nor based on traditional values. They have their fair share of smut. In fact, Murdoch who owns it, broadcasts pornography into India even, which is upsetting to a religious demographic. Or so I read. Want family friendly, traditional values entertainment? Watch the The Hallmark channel. Conclusion: Fox is not really true right-wing. It is NeoConservative. There are no real right-wing channels.But I'd say Bill O'R is more his own man. It's just his views fit the bill for Fox well enough.

You forgot to say "socialist".

[BucEyedPea]

You forgot to say "socialist".
You forgot to say it's a "corporation." :p

I wouldn't say Fox is exactly socialist though. I was referring to it's war views.

[orange]

Just because you don't find it funny doesn't mean it isn't. And you still haven't been able to differentiate between NEWS and COMEDY. No, a comedy show that doesn't appeal to moderates wouldn't keep them from watching FACTUAL news on the same station. They simply wouldn't watch the comedy show and watch something else instead. For exactly the same reason most people don't watch ABC, CBS, PMSNBC or the Clinton News Network anymore. They voted with their remotes. Like it or not, most americans don't subscribe to the far left wacko lunatic idealogy that you do and desire to hear their news without all the left wing bullshit. It is what it is bro.


Spotlight: Evening news and talk
Rank Show name Network Viewers in millions

Network

1. ABC World News ABC 8.1

2. NBC Nightly News NBC 7.6

3. CBS Evening News CBS 6.2

Cable

1. O'Reilly Factor Fox News 2.4

2. Hannity & Colmes Fox News 1.5

3. On the Record With Greta Fox News 1.4

4. Report With Shepard Smith Fox News 1.2

5. Larry King Live CNN 0.7

Source: Nielsen Media Research, April 2-6




Fox's evening news show doesn't even make the top five ON CABLE. Could you be more wrong?

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/nielsens-charts.htm

[Pitt Gorilla]

Spotlight: Evening news and talk
Rank Show name Network Viewers in millions

Network

1. ABC World News ABC 8.1

2. NBC Nightly News NBC 7.6

3. CBS Evening News CBS 6.2

Cable

1. O'Reilly Factor Fox News 2.4

2. Hannity & Colmes Fox News 1.5

3. On the Record With Greta Fox News 1.4

4. Report With Shepard Smith Fox News 1.2

5. Larry King Live CNN 0.7

Source: Nielsen Media Research, April 2-6




Fox's evening news show doesn't even make the top five ON CABLE. Could you be more wrong?

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/nielsens-charts.htm
Damn. Game, set, match.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Most people don't agree with lefties.
Is that why democrats replaced so many republicans in the last elections?

[CHIEF4EVER]

Is that why democrats replaced so many republicans in the last elections?

The war is why that happened but I think you already know that.

[Amnorix]

The war is why that happened but I think you already know that.

Then why did Gore get more votes, nationwide, than Bush?*




*note, I'm not bitter about the election result, but when those on the right insist they have a majority of the country behind them and that the Democrats are some kind of marginalized minority, it's very noteworthy to point this out. Don't give me a "get over it" response. I'm long since over it. It's not bitter grapes, just a VERY relevant point.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Had you read the entirety of my previous post you would have your answer. People vote with their remotes. If they don't want to watch a particular program they don't. Most people don't watch the 'Half Hour News Hour' but DO watch FOX News. Why? The content is more appealing to moderates than blatant left wing horseshit. Like I said...it is what it is.Could you provide some evidence that "most people...DO watch FOX News?" That would really help to dispel the notion that you're just making sh!t up.

[Logical]

Why do people just make up vengeful lies like this?

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/wls/wls_010405_obama_oath.jpg

Senators aren't even sworn in on a Bible, they just raise their hands and say the oath.Stupid fear

[orange]

Stupid fear

P.S. You reminded me by reposting that picture - the guy on the right who somebody said looks like Pat Morita is my own Senator, Ken Salazar from Colorado.

[patteeu]

Spotlight: Evening news and talk
Rank Show name Network Viewers in millions

Network

1. ABC World News ABC 8.1

2. NBC Nightly News NBC 7.6

3. CBS Evening News CBS 6.2

Cable

1. O'Reilly Factor Fox News 2.4

2. Hannity & Colmes Fox News 1.5

3. On the Record With Greta Fox News 1.4

4. Report With Shepard Smith Fox News 1.2

5. Larry King Live CNN 0.7

Source: Nielsen Media Research, April 2-6




Fox's evening news show doesn't even make the top five ON CABLE. Could you be more wrong?

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/nielsens-charts.htm

FYI, there wasn't anything wrong about what he said wrt viewing habits, so "absolutely" turns out to be the answer to your question.

[patteeu]

Damn. Game, set, match.

You're the kind of referee who ignores the fact that Colorado's winning touchdown came on 5th down.

[patteeu]

Is that why democrats replaced so many republicans in the last elections?

No, but it is why the democrats found the need to run so many moderate candidates who have quite a few disagreements with the moveon.org crowd.

[orange]

FYI, there wasn't anything wrong about what he said wrt viewing habits, so "absolutely" turns out to be the answer to your question.


Really? What exactly did he say - why I have it right here (my emphasis added, of course):

... For exactly the same reason most people don't watch ABC, CBS, PMSNBC or the Clinton News Network anymore. They voted with their remotes. Like it or not, most americans don't subscribe to the far left wacko lunatic idealogy that you do and desire to hear their news without all the left wing bullshit. It is what it is bro.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3902107&postcount=43

Which was preceded by:

People who think FOX are far right are laughable. They enjoy the highest ratings in the news biz by a country mile because they aren't so left wing like ABC, CBS, PMSNBC, CNN et al...
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3902107&postcount=23

and:

I never said I was a FOX news guy. I simply said that they report the news (note: not editorials) in the most fair fashion of any of the networks and thus have the best ratings. That means people who would normally watch obviously left wing slanted bullshit on the other networks chose to migrate to a more fair network to get their information...
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3902134&postcount=28


Is it fair to bring up his earlier posts on the subject? Let's see what Mr. CHIEF4EVER has to say:

Had you read the entirety of my previous post you would have your answer. People vote with their remotes. If they don't want to watch a particular program they don't. Most people don't watch the 'Half Hour News Hour' but DO watch FOX News. Why? The content is more appealing to moderates than blatant left wing horseshit. Like I said...it is what it is.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3902234&postcount=45


Having read the entirety of his previous posts, I have concluded that he's full of horseplop - and to the degree that you stand by his ludicrous patently false claims, so are you.

[patteeu]

Really? What exactly did he say - why I have it right here (my emphasis added, of course):


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3902107&postcount=43

Which was preceded by:


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3902107&postcount=23

and:


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3902134&postcount=28


Is it fair to bring up his earlier posts on the subject? Let's see what Mr. CHIEF4EVER has to say:


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3902234&postcount=45


Having read the entirety of his previous posts, I have concluded that he's full of horseplop - and to the degree that you stand by his ludicrous patently false claims, so are you.

There was nothing inaccurate in the post to which you responded. It wasn't clear to me that your response was aimed at his previous posts so I didn't do any research on that subject. I can see how he had been somewhat ambiguous in previous posts and why you would consider them to be at least technically incorrect though. Having said that and given that we are basing this on the entire body of his work now instead of the post to which you replied originally, he could still be "more wrong" so I'll stand by my answer.

Edit: In case I wasn't clear, I do want to acknowledge that you weren't as wrong as it first appeared, based on your clarification.

[tiptap]

New Pew Research survey: "Since the late 1980s, the emergence of 24-hour cable news as a dominant news source and the explosive growth of the internet have led to major changes in the American public's news habits. But a new nationwide survey finds that the coaxial and digital revolutions and attendant changes in news audience behaviors have had little impact on how much Americans know about national and international affairs."

The most interesting finding is that regular viewers of the Daily Show with Jon Stewart were the most knowledgeable while regular Fox News viewers knew the least.

http://www.politicalwire.com/

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=319

You have to know the terrain in order to get the jokes. Fox's terrain is not stable enough to be firm information or ground jokes.

[|Zach|]

More Fox fun. In a Kurt Vonnegut obit piece they do all of the things below in one nice little piece. Congrats!

"by the late 70's Vonnegut was rich and irrelevant."

<embed src="http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=171690" quality="best" scale="exactfit" width="400" height="300" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>


-insults thrown at a dead man who can't defend himself
-a blanket bashing of New York City
-pointless jabs at left wingers
-mockery of high-minded art
-an attempt at raising the ire of loyal republicans by stating someone said something bad about Reagan
-a complete lack of respect for a man's life's work

[Hog Farmer]

Why do people just make up vengeful lies like this?

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/wls/wls_010405_obama_oath.jpg

Senators aren't even sworn in on a Bible, they just raise their hands and say the oath.


It's not a lie, you have to look at the big picture. Iran is hell bent on developing nukes and Obama will be their point man in the end.

[banyon]

It's not a lie, you have to look at the big picture. Iran is hell bent on developing nukes and Obama will be their point man in the end.

You represented that you knew he swore his oath on the Koran. I show you a picture of him not doing it and you're still trying to defend the statement? Give it up.

[HolmeZz]

<embed src="http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=171690" quality="best" scale="exactfit" width="400" height="300" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

That was f*cking disgusting.

[NewPhin]

You represented that you knew he swore his oath on the Koran. I show you a picture of him not doing it and you're still trying to defend the statement? Give it up.

I'm pretty sure that Hog Farmer is a charicature. Or maybe he's just making ridiculous statements to try to get a rise out of people. If not, and he truly believes the crap he spouts, he's one of the dumbest individuals to ever grace DC.

[Pitt Gorilla]

More Fox fun. In a Kurt Vonnegut obit piece they do all of the things below in one nice little piece. Congrats!

"by the late 70's Vonnegut was rich and irrelevant."

<embed src="http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=171690" quality="best" scale="exactfit" width="400" height="300" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>


-insults thrown at a dead man who can't defend himself
-a blanket bashing of New York City
-pointless jabs at left wingers
-mockery of high-minded art
-an attempt at raising the ire of loyal republicans by stating someone said something bad about Reagan
-a complete lack of respect for a man's life's workWow, the last quote on the video was really bad.
:shake:

[jidar]

I question the intelligence of anyone who actually watches Fox News and doesn't see the conservative slant. It's too blatant not to see it, and it's not an opinion matter either it's just cold hard fact that they lean that way.

In summary, if you can't see it you're just dumb. Period.

[Hog Farmer]

I'm pretty sure that Hog Farmer is a charicature. Or maybe he's just making ridiculous statements to try to get a rise out of people. If not, and he truly believes the crap he spouts, he's one of the dumbest individuals to ever grace DC.

I'm not dumb. What's a charicature.

[NewPhin]

I'm not dumb. What's a charicature.

:p

That's about what I thought. People espousing your viewpoints (Obama was sworn in on a Koran) usually can't string words together into coherent sentences. I had hoped I was right.

[Cochise]

dfdfdf

[Adept Havelock]

dfdfdf

:LOL:

[mlyonsd]

dfdfdf

Holy crap is that accurate.

[Ugly Duck]

I also heard he's a muslim.

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nw6LBbeXTww"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nw6LBbeXTww" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Gee... I wonder why "regular Fox News viewers knew the least" in the poll.

[Ugly Duck]

People who think FOX are far right are laughable.Dude. Oh, dude.....