View Full Version : Am I the only one who thinks Brunell is WAY overrated?

03-21-2001, 12:58 PM
Considering the price tag, and possibly the cost to trade, my conclusion is Beuerlein is the better short term option.

The last 3 seasons passing stats(Beuerlein took over the starting job for good in 98).

YEAR TEAM G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate
1998 Jacksonville Jaguars 13 13 354 208 58.8 2601 7.3 78t 20 9 89.9
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars 15 15 441 259 58.7 3060 6.9 62 14 9 82.0
2000 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 16 512 311 60.7 3640 7.1 67t 20 14 84.0

YEAR TEAM G GS At Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate
1998 Carolina Panthers 12 12 343 216 63.0 2613 7.6 68t 17 12 88.2
1999 Carolina Panthers 16 16 571 343 60.1 4436 7.8 88t 36 15 94.6
2000 Carolina Panthers 16 16 533 324 60.8 3730 7.0 54 19 18 79.7

98-00 avgerages
Player G GS At Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate
Brunell 15 15 436 259 59.4 3100 7.1 - 18 11 85.3
Beuerlein 15 15 482 294 61.0 3593 7.5 - 24 15 87.5

I'm well aware Brunell is much younger, and may not be a 'short term' solution at the position. But I've long been skeptical of his true ability to perform as a pocket QB.

gotta be somebody else out there

03-21-2001, 01:05 PM
You are also overlooking the fact that Brunell QB'd a team with one of the best running games in the league and Buerlein QB'd a team that didn't have one....

That is kinda like comparing Grbac of '99 to Grbac of '00...He was pretty much the same QB yet his number went through the roof cause we went from a balanced attack to a all pass team...

So to answer your question, I would say yes....

03-21-2001, 01:23 PM
Coryt, I just brought a thread to the top that I started a week ago on the same subject. I think Brunell is very good, but I don't think he is one of the elite certainly no worth Favre/Bledsoe $$...

Mile High Mania
03-21-2001, 01:25 PM
Just count this year as a "loss", meaning accept a .500 or so record and go grab a QB like Lucas (he's not available anymore, but you know what I mean) or Dilfer.

Use FA for a RB and/or defensive playmakers.
Use the #12 pick on the QBoTF if he is there and use the other picks that you may lose to get a Green or Brunell for youth at the skill positions.

Then, KC should groom that QB.

If you get a Green or Brunell, you're mortgaging the future by losing picks and committing big bucks. KC needs a "stop gap" solution for QB over the next 2 years.

Use the picks and FA to build the "team" and then find the QBoTF and groom him, so that in 2 years, he's ready to be a player.

03-21-2001, 01:35 PM
Thanks cjderby, moving over.

03-21-2001, 01:48 PM
If you are asking if he's worth 100 mill, then yes, he's overrated...

If you are asking if his abilities are overrated, then no, I think not...he brings something to the table that the Chiefs haven't had, ever...a mobile QB with a strong arm...

Of course all this talk is just that, talk...no way we get him for one, we ain't going to give up draft picks to pay a guy 6 mill...if we are going to give up our picks, go for Green...

If Jax releases him, then he would have to accept a lesser offer with the promise of a huge contract in the future...I don't see how we can afford Brunell, if there was a way, he'd be my choice for the next five years or more...

10 times better than grbac and the same age..

Pitt Gorilla
03-21-2001, 03:54 PM
"If you are asking if his abilities are overrated, then no, I think not"

Who is rating these people? I suppose GMs do, the QB rating formula does, but who is OVERRATING these people?

Alton deFlat
03-21-2001, 03:58 PM
Hey Pitt, what do think of Carnie Smtih Stadium so far?

03-22-2001, 10:12 AM
Overrated? He would be the best QB the have had since Len Dawson! Yes, even better than the broken-down Joe Montana.
However, the time to get Brunell was 1995, the same year Jax traded a #2 and #5 to Green Bay for him (on a side note, the chiefs also made a trade that year sending a #2 and a #5 to Philly for Victor Bailey)

Chiefs should rebuild. Signing Brunell would mess up their cap (again). If Brunell were 26 years old, then I would be all for it, but you wont find 26 year old Mark Brunells in free agency. You find mostly junk - as we have all come to learn.

03-22-2001, 12:30 PM
Pile me on the list of people who think Brunnell is over rated. Last three years he's had either Taylor or Stewart as a run threat and two very good recievers and still preformed mediocre. AND he's an injury waiting to happen.

Pitt Gorilla
03-22-2001, 03:01 PM
Sorry, didn't see your post until now. I think the stadium pretty much speaks for itself: Huge. I'm not sure where we're going to find the folks to fill it. I can't even begin to imagine what it will be like when phase TWO of the project gets completed and the west side is expanded. Shouldn't we be concerned about classing up the joint with a performing arts center or something?

Alton deFlat
03-22-2001, 03:05 PM
I agree, we DO need a performing arts center. It's in the plans, but I don't know when it will happen. Supposed to be located near the President's home.

03-22-2001, 03:56 PM
I for one would love to have Brunell. He beats the HELL out of everyone else we are considering. It is all a matter of $$$$s and other needs though. If it was just a matter of draft picks though I would preffer him WAY before Green.