The VT rentacops didn't notify state authorities for 2 hours after 1st shooting??

[memyselfI]

Just heard it on MSNBC. Not only did the campus administration fail to notify students, it didn't even bother notifying the state police. If true, it is outrageous. It also indicates the state police were not at all to blame for the two hour window. They had no idea a shooting even happened thus were not in a position to notify the media, block entrances, confirm the shooter had been caught.

So sad.

[StcChief]

Get what you pay for.....but how are you going to ask for a tuition increase to cover the "new" security...

[memyselfI]

Get what you pay for.....but how are you going to ask for a tuition increase to cover the "new" security...

I think most parents at that campus would willingly pay it because to not has had devastating consequences.

[alanm]

I got news for you. The last thing police do is notify the media when something like this is going down. :shake:

[Saulbadguy]

They were busy reading "My pet goat".

[dirk digler]

Campus police are just to busy giving out parking tickets instead of actual police work. No surprise here.

[memyselfI]

I got news for you. The last thing police do is notify the media when something like this is going down. :shake:

Do you mean campus police? Because I've seen many security experts lamenting the lack of notification of the first shooting event from state police. Meaning the two hour window. This morning I've seen some lamenting the fact that the state police didn't have the information to make notification to the media to stop people from coming to the campus. Thus, they either thought the campus police had the suspect or that he had gotten away and was at large.

Me thinks the campus police have been watching too much CSI and assumed investigating murder was part of their job description and didn't feel or see the need to contact the REAL authorities lest they be treated as the rentacops they really are.

[patteeu]

Thank goodness there is someone besides the actual perpetrator for you to heap blame upon. Kind of brings back memories of blaming Bush for 9/11, huh? Ah, nostalgia. *sigh*

[OnTheWarpath58]

They were busy reading "My pet goat".


ROFL ROFL ROFL

Seriously though, I would like to think that the instant a shooting occurs on a college campus, they would be smart enough to cancel classes and close campus. I know that is the procedure where I go to school.

You would think they would have posted information by 8:00am with a description of the shooter, hoping to track him down, ASAP.

What a mess.

[stevieray]

Thank goodness there is someone besides the actual perpetrator for you to heap blame upon. Kind of brings back memories of blaming Bush for 9/11, huh? Ah, nostalgia. *sigh*

:clap:

[Ultra Peanut]

Why the **** is a murder investigation a matter of state-wide concern?

You know why this is such a shock? Because most people who commit murders in apparent fits of rage try to blend in and get as far away as possible, not come back a few hours later and shoot as many people as they can.

Seriously though, I would like to think that the instant a shooting occurs on a college campus, they would be smart enough to cancel classes and close campus. I know that is the procedure where I go to school.Do towns of 30,000 commonly shut down all of the businesses within several blocks any time a murder happens somewhere?

[dirk digler]

Why the **** is a murder investigation a matter of state-wide concern?



I think because VTech is part of the Virgina state university system and the state of Virginia funds in large part the college.

Just a hunch though.

:shrug:

[Garcia Bronco]

Just heard it on MSNBC. Not only did the campus administration fail to notify students, it didn't even bother notifying the state police. If true, it is outrageous. It also indicates the state police were not at all to blame for the two hour window. They had no idea a shooting even happened thus were not in a position to notify the media, block entrances, confirm the shooter had been caught.

So sad.

They are not rent-s-cops. they are real police...while it may seem strange they did not call the military in either...hardly SOP. Again you just don't know what you are talking about. As a person who is part of Virginia Tech you disgust me with your blame game. Blame the nut job...but don't blame the school, the police, or anyone else except the man who decided to kill my brothers and sisters.

[Garcia Bronco]

Campus police are just to busy giving out parking tickets instead of actual police work. No surprise here.

They are real police not meter counters.

[Garcia Bronco]

Do you mean campus police? Because I've seen many security experts lamenting the lack of notification of the first shooting event from state police. Meaning the two hour window. This morning I've seen some lamenting the fact that the state police didn't have the information to make notification to the media to stop people from coming to the campus. Thus, they either thought the campus police had the suspect or that he had gotten away and was at large.

Me thinks the campus police have been watching too much CSI and assumed investigating murder was part of their job description and didn't feel or see the need to contact the REAL authorities lest they be treated as the rentacops they really are.


No amount of notification would have stopped what happened....you don't seem to get that at all.

[memyselfI]

No amount of notification would have stopped what happened....you don't seem to get that at all.

Maybe not. But maybe 3 die instead of 33. I think that would be a big improvement and once certainly worth TRYING to stop.

[Ultra Peanut]

They are not rent-s-cops. they are real police...while it may seem strange they did not call the military in either...hardly SOP. Again you just don't know what you are talking about. As a person who is part of Virginia Tech you disgust me with your blame game. Blame the nut job...but don't blame the school, the police, or anyone else except the man who decided to kill my brothers and sisters."We Are Virginia Tech" (http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/17/sot.nikki.giovanni.convocation.cnn)

[dirk digler]

They are real police not meter counters.

LMAO

Campus police are not real police...sorry.

Real police consider campus police like security guards or ticket cops.

I am not blaming the campus police because they are ill-equipped to handle situations like what occured.

[Ultra Peanut]

LMAO

Campus police are not real police...sorry.

Real police consider campus police like security guards or ticket cops.

I am not blaming the campus police because they are ill-equipped to handle situations like what occured.Not all campus police are the same. They are far more "real" on some campuses than others.

And federal agents look down on "real" police like drooling mongoloids.

[dirk digler]

Not all campus police are the same. They are far more "real" on some campuses than others.

And federal agents look down on "real" police like drooling mongoloids.

That is probably true to some extent but my experience with campus police has probably led to my opinion.

[CrazyCoffey]

LMAO

Campus police are not real police...sorry.

Real police consider campus police like security guards or ticket cops.

I am not blaming the campus police because they are ill-equipped to handle situations like what occured.


What do you base this opinion on?


I know very little about VT police department, but many campuses, America wide, larger campuses have "real" police, they send them to the same training sessions as any larger city "brother/sister departments" seen as equals, while the quantity is lower, the quality is equal.

They probably have an Investigation divisions for all manner of hate crimes, thefts and homicide. Why you think (or MEME) that they somehow weren't in their jurisdiction is ignorant. Meaning you do not have a frame of reference to make these comments nor the education and first hand knowledge of that campus to know any different either.

The young adults and professors are not even buried and already you want to find all the blame you can. STFU

[CrazyCoffey]

That is probably true to some extent but my experience with campus police has probably led to my opinion.


a community college? :p

[CrazyCoffey]

BTW, Dirk I read my first post and I quoted you, but most of my ire was directed at MEME and not you. But it does not read like that and I'm sorry.

[Chiefnj]

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The young adults and professors are not even buried and already you want to find all the blame you can. STFU

Of course. It's all about the blame. It was about the blame 10 minutes after the fake grieving by all the news channels. They couldn't wait to dig their nails into this and blame it on video games, music, campus police, teachers and roommates that allegedly missed warning signs, etc.

[CrazyCoffey]

Of course. It's all about the blame. It was about the blame 10 minutes after the fake grieving by all the news channels. They couldn't wait to dig their nails into this and blame it on video games, music, campus police, teachers and roommates that allegedly missed warning signs, etc.


I know, both sides of the spectrum too. Humanity is dead.

[dirk digler]

BTW, Dirk I read my first post and I quoted you, but most of my ire was directed at MEME and not you. But it does not read like that and I'm sorry.

That is alright. I use to be a cop and I went to CMSU (Call me stupid U) so that probably has something to do with it. Most of those cops at CMSU were just ticket meters and I have heard the same from alot of my friends who went to different universities but I shouldn't have made a total blanket statement like that.

Like I said I earlier I am not placing blame of the campus police because IMHO they are ill equipped to handle a situation like this and to some extent the city police maybe as well.

[Garcia Bronco]

Maybe not. But maybe 3 die instead of 33. I think that would be a big improvement and once certainly worth TRYING to stop.

I hate to say this...but you're are wrong...in fact...you never know....mass immediate notifacation could have made things even worse. The people on the ground did the best they could with the information thay had. You and the rest need to except that and honor our fallen brothers and sisters and quit playing the blame game. We are all upset, but lashing out at the people that directly were there to help is pointless. there is only one person to blame.

[CrazyCoffey]

That is alright. I use to be a cop and I went to CMSU (Call me stupid U) so that probably has something to do with it. Most of those cops at CMSU were just ticket meters and I have heard the same from alot of my friends who went to different universities but I shouldn't have made a total blanket statement like that.

Like I said I earlier I am not placing blame of the campus police because IMHO they are ill equipped to handle a situation like this and to some extent the city police maybe as well.


I knew I liked you, you seem rather sensible at times.....

I have no idea why they didn't call "higher authorities" or if they are / aren't equiped to handle the situation, I know some campuses like you mention and some that have special reaction teams and CID. I don't know where VT fits in that scheme, but MEME's instigation in this thread is appalling.

[Garcia Bronco]

LMAO

Campus police are not real police...sorry.

Real police consider campus police like security guards or ticket cops.

I am not blaming the campus police because they are ill-equipped to handle situations like what occured.

At Virginia Tech they are, but then again..you people have never lived there so what do you actually know. The BPD and Virginia Tech Campus Police work hand-in-hand...they are...for all intents and purposes the same unit. the buildings they work out of are less than a mile apart.


Rent-a-cops work at the mall.

[Garcia Bronco]

That is alright. I use to be a cop and I went to CMSU (Call me stupid U) so that probably has something to do with it. Most of those cops at CMSU were just ticket meters and I have heard the same from alot of my friends who went to different universities but I shouldn't have made a total blanket statement like that.

Like I said I earlier I am not placing blame of the campus police because IMHO they are ill equipped to handle a situation like this and to some extent the city police maybe as well.

I don't know the size of CMSU...but Tech has over 25,000 people on site and off site students...the main Campus spralls over 2600 acres. The parking admin is a different group.....trust me,...I paid enough tickets there to know the difference.

[CrazyCoffey]

I hate to say this...but you're are wrong...in fact...you never know....mass immediate notifacation could have made things even worse. The people on the ground did the best they could with the information thay had. You and the rest need to except that and honor our fallen brothers and sisters and quit playing the blame game. We are all upset, but lashing out at the people that directly were there to help is pointless. there is only one person to blame.


:clap:
Mass notification can instigate copy cat actions, can stimulate the actions of the original suspect, (give him a rush that he's accomplishing something and give him reason to do more), it could cause panic and that can have adverse effects.

There is no reason they could use to send a mass media message, unless they had a crystal ball, which is the only thing that could change their protocol.

[Garcia Bronco]

Of course...I am not saying there isn't room to grow.

[CrazyCoffey]

Of course...I am not saying there isn't room to grow.


I think that is the first blanket statement in days or weeks that I may agree with.

We all have room to grow, but that doesn't mean we shift the blame for Monday from the actual perpetrator to those with good intentions.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think that is the first blanket statement in days or weeks that I may agree with.

We all have room to grow, but that doesn't mean we shift the blame for Monday from the actual perpetrator to those with good intentions.
Exactly.

If this were to happen again, they would be better prepared. Still doesn't mean the results would be any different...you know...battle plans, first contact, and all.

[dirk digler]

I don't know the size of CMSU...but Tech has over 25,000 people on site and off site students...the main Campus spralls over 2600 acres. The parking admin is a different group.....trust me,...I paid enough tickets there to know the difference.


I went back and looked at CMSU and they have a Parking Services dept that is part of the campus police but they hire students to patrol the lots. The problem is they all were the same uniform or at least they did when I went to school there.

Anyway I went to MU's Campus Police site and VTech's and needless to say neither one is equipped to handle something like what happened on Monday. Both basically have a couple of detectives and the rest are patrol and neither have any kind of quick reaction type departments and highly doubt any of them have been trained to handle such situations.

I will state again Garcia I am NOT blaming the campus police for anything except they probably should have notified the state police but I don't know the laws in Virginia but they are part of the state university system.