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DaWolf
04-26-2007, 02:05 AM
http://www.kansas.com/240/story/54477.html

Chiefs trade Dante Hall
Former Pro Bowl kick returner sent to Rams for fifth-round draft pick.
BY ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - All Dante Hall wanted was a fresh start to a career that had quickly gone sour. If that fresh start happened with the Chiefs, so be it.

If it happened elsewhere, so much the better. Hall got his wish Wednesday when Kansas City traded its kick-return specialist to St. Louis for a fifth-round draft pick.

The teams also swapped third-round draft picks, a move that allows the Chiefs to jump two spots in that round.

"I'm happy. I feel like I'm a draft pick all over again," Hall said. "I knew the Chiefs were in the process of trying to get rid of me. When people don't want you, they don't want you. I'm glad I'm going somewhere I'm wanted."

In making the trade, the Chiefs accomplished one of their draft goals three days before the event even starts. The deal gives them a full supply of seven draft picks. They are missing a fourth-round pick, the one they sent to New Orleans last season for running back Michael Bennett.

"It's always important to have at least seven draft picks and, hopefully, we'll be able to acquire another one or two in the days to come," president/general manager Carl Peterson said.

The Chiefs remain interested in trading quarterback Trent Green to Miami and expected to make a deal before or during the draft. They also have offered running back Larry Johnson and safety Greg Wesley, but trades involving those players are far more uncertain.

Coach Herm Edwards wants to fortify the Chiefs with youth. One or more extra draft picks not only will allow them to get younger more quickly but also gives them the flexibility to move up in a particular round to draft a particular player, if they so desire.

"We said at the end of the year that we were sitting in a situation where we had some good players that we might look to trade because we need to get more picks," Edwards said. "We have to get younger, and the only way you can do that is through the draft. You're going to have to give up something to get something. We just felt that at this point we had some guys, and obviously Dante was one of them, who had a lot of value and that we could get something for. He's going to a good spot and is going to be in the same offense and play on turf. I think it's a great fit for him."

Wide receiver Jeff Webb is a candidate to return kickoffs. The Chiefs have no obvious candidate to return punts, though wide receiver Eddie Kennison did it well early in his career. The Chiefs may use a draft pick to do the job.

The trade came together quickly Wednesday. Beforehand, the teams had hardly talked.

The swiftness isn't surprising given the fact that all parties were motivated. The Chiefs had become disillusioned with Hall, once the most dangerous returner in the game but merely average the last couple of seasons.

His kickoff-return average declined each of the last three seasons. It was a pedestrian 22.8 yards last year. His punt-return average hasn't been above 10 yards since 2004.

The Rams were looking for a potentially dynamic player to boost one of the league's worst return games.

Hall wanted out of Kansas City, too. He was a Pro Bowl player as a kick returner in 2002 and 2003, but his career spiraled downward quickly after the Chiefs changed coaches, going from Dick Vermeil to Edwards last year.

Although Hall and Edwards never clashed, the new coach didn't provide the level of support and comfort to Hall that Vermeil did.

"It was a hard transition going from what I was used to to what was in place last year," Hall said. "Herm came in his first year and told me I was one of his guys. But a lot of his guys that he said were his guys are gone now.

"Things didn't go too well last year, but I had already resolved in my mind that when I came back...that I was going to have a positive attitude no matter what my role is going to be. Then I heard they were trying to trade me. I did talk to Herm, and there were no hard feelings. We agreed that if I did come back, that I would come back with that positive attitude and he would have a different outlook on me."

A fresh start in St. Louis could revive Hall's career. He won't be 29 until September.

"I watched video during the season, after the season," he said. "I've watched it a lot, and I know I can be the same player I was earlier in my career.

"When I look at old film, I was always able to get going (up the field). That was my strength. I was trying to make too many things happen, but I was also forced to go laterally a lot of times. I just need the consistent chance to go (up the field)."

Valiant
04-26-2007, 02:11 AM
I just need the consistent chance to go (up the field)."

Whose fault is that???

Mecca
04-26-2007, 02:14 AM
Whose fault is that???

He's basically blaming our blocking for it........

It's the blocking, that's why I sucked....Herm didn't baby me like DV....that's what he's saying.

Count Alex's Losses
04-26-2007, 02:18 AM
Although Hall and Edwards never clashed, the new coach didn't provide the level of support and comfort to Hall that Vermeil did.

Coddled.

Fruit Ninja
04-26-2007, 02:40 AM
Well, i know he is crying ab it, but to be fair our blocking was pretty damn horrible.

huskerdooz
04-26-2007, 02:57 AM
Regardless of whether he was coddled under Vermeil or not, the fact remains that our KR and PR blocking has pretty much sucked lately.

huskerdooz
04-26-2007, 02:58 AM
Well, i know he is crying ab it, but to be fair our blocking was pretty damn horrible.

you beat me to it

Valiant
04-26-2007, 03:03 AM
Well, i know he is crying ab it, but to be fair our blocking was pretty damn horrible.


Our blocking was bad, but 50% of the time he would run backwards on his own negating a good 5-10 yards...

It is not all his fault the past two years, but a good portion was him trying to make something everytime...

BigRock
04-26-2007, 03:06 AM
We all know the blocking wasn't great, but before every season the last few years the Star has done an article where Dante said pretty much all the same things. "I've been watching tape and I see what I'm doing wrong, I'm trying to do too much," yadda yadda yadda. It still never changed.

The Rams did say that they only plan to use him on returns, though, and not at WR. So that will probably help him.

ChiefFan31
04-26-2007, 03:11 AM
Well our blocking was not good, but he still needs to shoulder plenty of the blame. Its called taking what you can get sometimes.

Also, shouting "you guys ****ing suck" at the top of your lungs tends to not motivate people after awhile.

I heard that from a friend from the game out here to finish the 04 season in San Diego. He had good seats down low and clearly heard Dante shouting that. He asked me what was up with that.

Mr. Plow
04-26-2007, 04:28 AM
"It was a hard transition going from what I was used to to what was in place last year," Hall said.

Being babied?

Mr. Plow
04-26-2007, 04:29 AM
I just need the consistent chance to go (up the field)."


I think every Chiefs fan wanted to see you run up the field instead of backwards.

Slick32
04-26-2007, 05:03 AM
Well, i know he is crying ab it, but to be fair our blocking was pretty damn horrible.

The blocking is an issue, but you also have to consider that Dante used to take the first few steps towards the goal line. On a few occasions he would head for the side of the field that the wedge was supposed to be on and reverse field (see Denver game when he returned the Kick/Punt for a TD).

I noticed that he started dancing before he made any move toward the goal line. Webb caught the ball and took off down the field. He had several good returns because the over pursuit of the defense had them out of the way when he was runnning vertical.

I think Dante bought into the human joystick image and was always trying to make something happen rather than heading for the goal line first and then as he started getting down to the point he needed to make the moves becomming the joystick.

I saw a big difference between the time he ran 4 back for TD's and the last two years.

penguinz
04-26-2007, 06:54 AM
He is still ****ing pouting!

el borracho
04-26-2007, 08:13 AM
http://www.kansas.com/240/story/54477.html
Hall wanted out of Kansas City, too. He was a Pro Bowl player as a kick returner in 2002 and 2003, but his career spiraled downward quickly after the Chiefs changed coaches, going from Dick Vermeil to Edwards last year.
This is stupid. Why are they blaming Herm for a decline that started in 2004? Herm didn't even get here until 2006.

ChiTown
04-26-2007, 08:30 AM
This is stupid. Why are they blaming Herm for a decline that started in 2004? Herm didn't even get here until 2006.

Actually, the decline began in 1971.........

Iowanian
04-26-2007, 09:32 AM
Dante is acting like a pouting bidge, like he did all last season. Everyone watching could see Dante was pouting all last season.

Buh Bye.

It sounds like the team got tougher by reduction.

BigChiefFan
04-26-2007, 09:33 AM
No more whiny bitches, bye, Dante.

4th and Long
04-26-2007, 09:36 AM
Dante is acting like a pouting bidge, like he did all last season. Everyone watching could see Dante was pouting all last season.

Buh Bye.

It sounds like the team got tougher by reduction.
Nailed it.

htismaqe
04-26-2007, 09:55 AM
This is stupid. Why are they blaming Herm for a decline that started in 2004? Herm didn't even get here until 2006.

Because Herm is to blame for everything.

Al Gore says he's melting the polar ice caps.

Mecca
04-26-2007, 09:57 AM
Because Herm is to blame for everything.

Al Gore says he's melting the polar ice caps.

It's all that hot air from how much he talks.......

Iowanian
04-26-2007, 09:58 AM
I don't think it was poor blocking or coaches that had Dante Muffing punts, making poor decisions on fair catches, fumbling the ball, and running laterally when there were creases. He wanted the home run every time, when he probably should have settled for a 10 yard gain.

I'll always remember the home runs he did make, but he became like the little league kid that hits one, and then strikes out every time because he's swinging for the fence.

Deberg_1990
04-26-2007, 10:01 AM
Geez..how quickly you guys turn on the guy.

Good Luck Dante. You provided many exciting moments for me and you seem like a genuinely decent guy.

I have a feeling he will bounce back....

htismaqe
04-26-2007, 10:06 AM
Geez..how quickly you guys turn on the guy.

Good Luck Dante. You provided many exciting moments for me and you seem like a genuinely decent guy.

I have a feeling he will bounce back....

Did anybody "turn" on Trent Green?

The way Dante is being talked about is 100% a reflection of how he ACTED.

Iowanian
04-26-2007, 10:10 AM
I turned on Dante more than a season ago....Watching him spike the ball like Sammieknowwhati'msayin after a routine and average return, seeing him whining and bitching at teamates, watching him muff catches, make decisions inside the 10 that would get a rookie fired, the fumbles....and obvious pouting because Vermeil was gone. As a WR he contributed very little and the past season and a half was pretty pedestrian as a returner. The pouting I could have done without.....and it didn't take a 50" plasma to see him doing it.

maybe BL or Coffee will let him come over and watch Melrose place and have a good cry when he gets to StL.

Reerun_KC
04-26-2007, 10:11 AM
It's all that hot air from how much he talks.......


One could only wish he would shut his Cock Holster... Everytime you hear him talk you serious want to shove Ice Picks in your ears...

Mecca
04-26-2007, 10:14 AM
Damn I was just kiddin around........I didn't expect that.

Iowanian
04-26-2007, 10:15 AM
One could only wish he would shut his Cock Holster... Everytime you hear him talk you serious want to shove Ice Picks in your ears...

You'll be ok in StLouis Dante....Maybe Georgia will let you come over for a nice cry and a happy ending.

stlchiefs
04-26-2007, 10:26 AM
This is stupid. Why are they blaming Herm for a decline that started in 2004? Herm didn't even get here until 2006.

No chit, right above the article states:
"His kickoff-return average declined each of the last three seasons. It was a pedestrian 22.8 yards last year. His punt-return average hasn't been above 10 yards since 2004."

And then somehow they try to blame it all on the past season?
"but his career spiraled downward quickly after the Chiefs changed coaches, going from Dick Vermeil to Edwards last year."

I think the author, more than Dante himself makes this into a bitch session.

Sure-Oz
04-26-2007, 10:37 AM
Someone needs to play "kick the baby" with dante

SNR
04-26-2007, 10:46 AM
"I'm not wanted. I'm glad to be somewhere where I'm wanted."

Boo fricking hoo. Thanks for the great memories, Dante, especially against the Donks, but I can't say I'll miss the pouting.

Against the teams in the division he's going to, he'll break Brian Mitchell's mark for sure. Before Hester does it at least.

Sure-Oz
04-26-2007, 10:47 AM
"I'm not wanted. I'm glad to be somewhere where I'm wanted."

Boo fricking hoo. Thanks for the great memories, Dante, especially against the Donks, but I can't say I'll miss the pouting.

Against the teams in the division he's going to, he'll break Brian Mitchell's mark for sure. Before Hester does it at least.
Hester is the new dante, he explodes through the holes or lack there of, that is what dante used to do, before he thought he was barry sanders!

siberian khatru
04-26-2007, 10:52 AM
Maybe we should've traded Dante to the Vermeil farm in Pennsylvania, so he and DV could toss the football together in the backyard and then pop popcorn and watch DVDs in their sleeping bags on the floor.

Sure-Oz
04-26-2007, 10:53 AM
Maybe we should've traded Dante to the Vermeil farm in Pennsylvania, so he and DV could toss salad together in the backyard and then pop popcorn and watch DVDs in their sleeping bags on the floor.
fixed your post

siberian khatru
04-26-2007, 10:58 AM
fixed your post

Well, DV is a gourmet cook so ... oh, wait, never mind.

siberian khatru
04-26-2007, 11:02 AM
I said this during last season, when Dante first whined about not having his Linus blankie around anymore:

I appreciate what DV did to nurture Dante. Dante needed it then. I have no problems with that approach -- THEN.

But once Dante established himself as a pro, that diaper had to come off. He was responsible for his career, and for staying at that level. He shouldn't have to be coddled forever. He kept expecting to get the same treatment, even though he was now a veteran and a Pro Bowler.

Chief Chief
04-26-2007, 11:03 AM
Don't forget those punts that Dante muffed.

Ultra Peanut
04-26-2007, 12:45 PM
Bye dude.

Kerberos
04-26-2007, 12:52 PM
RAND: From X-factor to ex-factor


Many Chiefs fans surely were flabbergasted to see Dante Hall traded to the St. Louis Rams on Wednesday for a fifth-round pick. They can be forgiven for thinking Carl Peterson traded away the very talent that not so long ago gave the Chiefs one of their top offensive weapons.

Who can forget when Hall in 2003 became the first NFL player ever to return a punt or kickoff for a touchdown in four straight games? He also broke a 92-yard kickoff return in a playoff loss to Indianapolis before going to his second straight Pro Bowl.

Who can forget coach Dick Vermeil sobbing every time Hall was mentioned? Or Hallís TV appearance with David Letterman as the Chiefs were rolling to a 9-0 start in 2003?

At 5 feet, 8, Hall is a loveable underdog who at his best could dominate a big manís game. He was the ďX-factor,Ē an unknown who might shake up the whole equation at any given moment.

However, Hallís production has slipped noticeably over the past two years. In 2006, his average kickoff return, 22.8 yards, ranked 24th in the NFL. His punt return average, 8.9, was tied for 16th. For the second straight year, he had just one touchdown return after totaling at least two a year from 2002-2004.

Still, the drop-off didnít seem all that dramatic to the naked eye. The same excitement gripped Arrowhead Stadium any time Hall dropped back to return a kick. His moves appeared as quick and slippery as ever. But he wasnít getting loose nearly as often, and the numbers bore that out.

The trade, which also included an exchange of third-round picks, tells us that the Chiefs evaluated Hall, 28, as a descending player. Heís also leveled off as a third-down receiver, despite totaling five touchdown catches over the past two years.

The trade also tells us that the Rams evaluate Hall as a shot in the arm. Maybe, they figure, he just needs better blocking to start breaking loose again.

The Chiefs, drafting 23rd in the first round, now have seven picks and may pick up at least one more if Peterson and the Dolphins reach the point of no return on a Trent Green deal. The Chiefs likely will draft a runner, receiver or cornerback who also can return kicks.

Theyíll obviously want to take a good look at wide receiver and kick returner Jeff Webb, who as a rookie returned one kickoff 50 yards while averaging 24.1 yards on seven returns. Thatís not much to go on, though. Heíll be trying to replace someone who returned 548 kicks over seven years with the Chiefs.

The Hall trade is one more shoe to drop as the Edwards regime reaches year two. The 2003 season wasnít exactly part of the Stone Age, yet the face of the Chiefs is barely recognizable. With Hallís departure, the Chiefs since then have changed their kicker, punter, return man, seven offensive starters and 10 defensive starters.

The only starters from 2003 eligible to start in 2007 are wide receiver Eddie Kennison, tight end Tony Gonzalez, linemen Brian Waters and Casey Wiegmann and safety Greg Wesley.

Four years represents an era in the NFL these days and the 2007 Chiefs wonít bear even a faint resemblance to Vermeilís teams. Edwards continues to face a tricky transition. Itís hard to see the Chiefs finding a guard in the same league as just-retired Will Shields. And it wonít be a whole lot easier finding another Pro Bowl kick returner.

Shieldsí retirement wasnít much of a surprise. The Hall deal, though, was a shot out of the blue, just as he was when he was returning kicks in his heyday.

noa
04-26-2007, 01:00 PM
Maybe its been talked about in one of the many Dante threads, but does anybody remember the game where Dante had a kickoff return where he went all the way, and then 10 yards from the end zone just fumbled it without even being touched and then we lost possession? That was the beginning of the end IMO, not the arrival of Herm.

Thig Lyfe
04-26-2007, 04:11 PM
Nice guy.

Nicer 5th round pick.

Spott
04-26-2007, 04:57 PM
Maybe its been talked about in one of the many Dante threads, but does anybody remember the game where Dante had a kickoff return where he went all the way, and then 10 yards from the end zone just fumbled it without even being touched and then we lost possession? That was the beginning of the end IMO, not the arrival of Herm.


Was that the San Diego game 2 years ago that we lost 34-31? IIRC, he also returned a kick for a TD that game as well.

Crashride
04-26-2007, 05:12 PM
Maybe its been talked about in one of the many Dante threads, but does anybody remember the game where Dante had a kickoff return where he went all the way, and then 10 yards from the end zone just fumbled it without even being touched and then we lost possession? That was the beginning of the end IMO, not the arrival of Herm.

Dont remember that one...but I do remember eddie kennison getting stripped on the 1 yard line here in tampa by jermaine phillips :cuss: :cuss: I just about had to by a new tv after that one...god I cant wait to get a shot at the bucs again. Anyone know when that will be?

Spott
04-26-2007, 06:50 PM
Dont remember that one...but I do remember eddie kennison getting stripped on the 1 yard line here in tampa by jermaine phillips :cuss: :cuss: I just about had to by a new tv after that one...god I cant wait to get a shot at the bucs again. Anyone know when that will be?


I was at that game. The only thing worse than the fumble was the Chiefs horrible defense that day. BTW, the Buccaneers will play in Arrowhead next year during the regular season.

Spott
04-26-2007, 06:52 PM
Maybe its been talked about in one of the many Dante threads, but does anybody remember the game where Dante had a kickoff return where he went all the way, and then 10 yards from the end zone just fumbled it without even being touched and then we lost possession? That was the beginning of the end IMO, not the arrival of Herm.


That was the San Diego game from 2 years ago. Here's the link.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/11/28/2004_regular_season__chiefs_vs_san_diego_chargers/

noa
04-26-2007, 07:00 PM
That was the San Diego game from 2 years ago. Here's the link.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/11/28/2004_regular_season__chiefs_vs_san_diego_chargers/


Thanks. I forgot the specifics. That was a ridiculous play and it sucks that we ended up losing the game.

38yrsfan
04-26-2007, 10:34 PM
I wish him well and thanks for some exciting times.