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chop
04-27-2007, 12:49 PM
<A name=387764>http://www.kffl.com/images/hot_sign.jpgBroncos | Team to trade up in draft
Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:30:36 -0700
Neil Stratton (http://www.kffl.com/link/151), of Inside the League (http://www.kffl.com/link/150), reports that the Houston Texans (http://www.kffl.com/team/18/nfl), as previously rumored, will swap first-round draft picks in this year's NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) with the Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) Friday, April 27, in exchange for the Broncos' second-round pick, No. 56 overall. The Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) would select Mississippi LB Patrick Willis (http://www.kffl.com/player/13329/nfl) with the No. 10 pick in the draft.

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 12:50 PM
Haha.

Mr. Laz
04-27-2007, 12:50 PM
gotta give it up to shannarat and co. they know how to get things done.


:cuss:

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 12:51 PM
gotta give it up to shannarat and co. they know how to get things done.


:rolleyes:

vailpass
04-27-2007, 12:53 PM
:rolleyes:

What's with the rolling eyes there Denise? Let's hear your take on this move from the heights of your experience: two years of watching football.

Cochise
04-27-2007, 12:53 PM
Well, if they are spending their top two picks on the guy, they must be in love with him.

Now to just pray that someone else picks him...

the Talking Can
04-27-2007, 12:54 PM
they jumped up 500 points for 340 points...

christ

Cochise
04-27-2007, 12:54 PM
What's with the rolling eyes there Denise? Let's hear your take on this move from the heights of your experience: two years of watching football.

Just wait until the Chiefs make the blockbuster deal that WPI has been hinting at forever... then you'll see...

UL Washington
04-27-2007, 12:56 PM
The trade won't be finalized until the pick comes up and the guy is there that they want. If not, they dont' trade.

Not sure why that's a rolls eyes reaction. They zero in on the guy they want and then make moves to get him... if he's not there they stand pat. Sounds like that's how you should play the draft in my opinion.

vailpass
04-27-2007, 12:56 PM
they jumped up 500 points for 340 points...

christ

Houston's coach, after finalizing the trade with Shanny, was heard muttering "these aren't the droids you're looking for...."

eazyb81
04-27-2007, 12:56 PM
Willis at 10? I bet Buffalo is pissed.

It's too bad, I really liked Willis.....that will have to change once he dons the hideous blue and orange.

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 12:57 PM
What's with the rolling eyes there Denise? Let's hear your take on this move from the heights of your experience: two years of watching football.

Do you seriously think I've only watched two years of football?

Anyway, to answer your question, if the Broncos truly need an impact player, it's a good movie, albeit a risky one. I wouldn't want the Chiefs moving up to #10 for our 2nd rounder.

JBucc
04-27-2007, 12:58 PM
Hopefully someone else will take Willis and foil their evil plot.

Chiefnj
04-27-2007, 12:58 PM
they jumped up 500 points for 340 points...

christ

That was my impression. They didn't give up enough to move into the top 10.

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 12:59 PM
Anyone else think Willis will get eaten alive with Denver's crappy DTs?

Chiefnj
04-27-2007, 12:59 PM
Do you seriously think I've only watched two years of football?

Anyway, to answer your question, if the Broncos truly need an impact player, it's a good movie, albeit a risky one. I wouldn't want the Chiefs moving up to #10 for our 2nd rounder.

Really?? I'd do it in a heartbeat.

vailpass
04-27-2007, 12:59 PM
Do you seriously think I've only watched two years of football?

Anyway, to answer your question, if the Broncos truly need an impact player, it's a good movie, albeit a risky one. I wouldn't want the Chiefs moving up to #10 for our 2nd rounder.

Do the math, Denver came out well ahead. Agree with you though, that giving up a 2nd rounder puts all your high-round eggs into one basket.
BTW, from what I read it's far from a sure thing Denver goes LB with the pick. Denver may not be done yet.

vailpass
04-27-2007, 01:00 PM
Just wait until the Chiefs make the blockbuster deal that WPI has been hinting at forever... then you'll see...

ROFL

chop
04-27-2007, 01:00 PM
The trade won't be finalized until the pick comes up and the guy is there that they want. If not, they dont' trade.

Not sure why that's a rolls eyes reaction. They zero in on the guy they want and then make moves to get him... if he's not there they stand pat. Sounds like that's how you should play the draft in my opinion.

Blast from the past. I thought UL Washington disappeared after choking on a toothpick.

Brock
04-27-2007, 01:01 PM
This makes me sad.

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 01:01 PM
Really?? I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I'm far more interested in quantity at this point.

If we could get Jarrett at #23 and an OG/OT/DT in round 2, I'd take that over anyone that's going to be there at #10.

the Talking Can
04-27-2007, 01:01 PM
That was my impression. They didn't give up enough to move into the top 10.

not even close


Houston just gave their pick away....what a joke

if Carl tried that we'd end up trading our whole draft..

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:02 PM
Geezus... I leave the Internet for 15 minutes and look what happens. I wonder if Willis is a smoke screen for one of the 2 DEs that are projected in that area as well.

cdcox
04-27-2007, 01:02 PM
What advantage is there to announcing a conditional trade before the draft? I don't get it.

JBucc
04-27-2007, 01:02 PM
Geezus... I leave the Internet for 15 minutes and look what happens. I wonder if Willis is a smoke screen for one of the 2 DEs that are projected in that area as well.If Anderson goes there I'll :Lin:

vailpass
04-27-2007, 01:03 PM
Geezus... I leave the Internet for 15 minutes and look what happens. I wonder if Willis is a smoke screen for one of the 2 DEs that are projected in that area as well.

Yeah, kinda' the vibe I've been getting as well. The last thing Shanny would do is announce the player he is targeting.

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 01:04 PM
What really scares me is Denver trying to move up to get Calvin Johnson. They could easily make another trade. Shanny's batshit crazy enough to do it.

Pitt Gorilla
04-27-2007, 01:04 PM
Willis is a good player, but MU's O-line and backs didn't have much of a problem with him, FWIW. 218 yards rushing (at a 5.2 average) for a team that throws the ball almost every down. He may not have had a lot of help, but I'm not sure he's a franchise guy either.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:06 PM
JBucc, I'm a hog fan as well and would welcome the big guy at DE.

Codered
04-27-2007, 01:08 PM
There could be some sick defensive players around at ten. Anderson, Willis, maaayyybe Okoye... It also puts them in position to move up again. You never can predict what Shannahan is doing.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:10 PM
Yeah, I'm liking the DE options there more than Willis. Willis is good, but damn... they need a DE.

Chiefnj
04-27-2007, 01:10 PM
I'm far more interested in quantity at this point.

If we could get Jarrett at #23 and an OG/OT/DT in round 2, I'd take that over anyone that's going to be there at #10.

I think there would be a good chance on draft day that someone between 10 and 20 would panic and KC could conceivably get the 2nd rounder back and still pick before 20.

Garcia Bronco
04-27-2007, 01:10 PM
Landry might be the guy as well. And Andersen

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:10 PM
Hell, there's also Laron Landry... and a CB or two.

Chiefnj
04-27-2007, 01:11 PM
not even close


Houston just gave their pick away....what a joke

if Carl tried that we'd end up trading our whole draft..

Carl should pick up the phone and offer the 2nd and 7th.

Garcia Bronco
04-27-2007, 01:11 PM
Yeah, I'm liking the DE options there more than Willis. Willis is good, but damn... they need a DE.

We need DT and MLB more...cause DJ Williams ain't it.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:11 PM
I think the Willis comment is a smoke screen... yes, they lost Wilson, but they have other needs. Plus, Shanahan doesn't tip his hand.

What was the rumor last year when they made the move up?

DMAC
04-27-2007, 01:12 PM
Jeez...the Texans are the dipshot guy you invite to play in your FFL league, just so you can take his players and tell him he made a smart trade.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:13 PM
I really don't want to see them move up any further for Calvin Johnson... stay there and go defense.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:13 PM
Jeez...the Texans are the dipshot guy you invite to play in your FFL league, just so you can take his players and tell him he made a smart trade.

Snyder and Kubiak are on a call right now exchanging stories.

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 01:13 PM
What concerns me is them grabbing Amobi Okoye...but I don't think he's Bates kind of DT.

J Diddy
04-27-2007, 01:14 PM
There could be some sick defensive players around at ten. Anderson, Willis, maaayyybe Okoye... It also puts them in position to move up again. You never can predict what Shannahan is doing.


I watched a mock on espn last night that had okoye falling to 25, wtf is that about?

It also had us taking harrell at 23

beer bacon
04-27-2007, 01:15 PM
Yeah, I'm liking the DE options there more than Willis. Willis is good, but damn... they need a DE.

I will be happy and surprised if they take Willis at #10. Willis will probably be a good to great player, but Wilson was a great player for a while too. If they don't use their picks to improve their d-line, that defense will only be so good. It makes a lot more sense to try to switch DJ to MLB, put somebody serviceable at SOLB, and use the first rounder on an impact d-linemen.

Garcia Bronco
04-27-2007, 01:15 PM
Coaches presser from 12:00 mst today

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mason (http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mason)

Live from the Pre-Draft Press Conference
April 27th, 2007 - 12:01pm by Andrew

Bon giorno from the media room here at Dove Valley, a four-sided enclosure that, for all practical purposes has been my home for the past few days in preparation for the draft. We’re here awaiting the first pre-draft press conference of the Mike Shanahan era, which is also his first presser of any ilk since the season-wrap session back in February.

Today’s session is mandated by the league; every team must now hold a pre-draft session; the Broncos were one of the few teams that did not have a pre-draft media briefing last year.

12:00 P.M. Punctual, as always.

12:01 P.M. Says it’s “sometimes” a little more difficult to move back in the draft than to move up … Also says that even though the team doesn’t pick on day 2 until the sixth round, the pick “isn’t a whole lot different” than the one in the fifth that was dealt to Detroit.

12:02 P.M. When asked whether there’s a chance they’ll move up, Shanahan plays his cards close to the vest, but says that the team “will not move up just to move up.”

12:03 P.M. On middle linebacker: “The opportunity to put D.J. in the middle — we’d like to do that,” he said. Says that the new defensive scheme involves more man-to-man coverage than in the past.

12:04 P.M. Says Williams “fits the middle linebacker mold pretty easily” and that it will be “natural for him to make that transition.” … “I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t step up.”

12:05 P.M. In his first public comments on Al Wilson since the release, says the decision was “tough,” and that he doesn’t know if Wilson will play again. Shanahan declined to go into detail about whether the move was based more on the salary cap, the condition of Wilson’s neck or his performance. “I would never go into detail which one it was,” Shanahan said.

12:07 P.M. On returns, says that Brandon Marshall will have the chance to compete for duties there.

12:08 P.M. Back to the draft; Shanahan says that safety, wide receiver and defensive line are each “deeper than it his been.”

12:09 P.M. MST Says that according to the doctors, Brandon Stokley will be ready by the start of training camp.

12:10 P.M. On Javon Walker: “I don’t know if you ever get over it … But Javon’s been working extremely hard in the offseason program … He’s leading the pack; he’s doing great … He’s looking extremely good right now; his attitude is great and hopefully he keeps on getting better.

12:11 P.M. Need versus best available player in the draft. “I think everybody looks at need first … I think a lot of times people will reach for a guy because of need and it comes back to haunt them. There’s a fine line as to what you want to do.”

12:11 P.M. On Georgia Tech’s Calvin Johnson: “He has all the things you look for … extremely bright … just a class act.”

12:12 P.M. On the offseason so far: Says he thought the team needed to address tight end and running back depth and did so with Daniel Graham and Travis Henry … Says that a veteran backup quarterback was essential … On Montrae Holland: “Here’s a guy that I thought the world of when he was with New Orleans … When he did start (there) I was very impressed. It’s hard to find those guys early in the draft and in the middle rounds.”

12:14 P.M. Says that Alvin McKinley can swing around to both tackle and end, and that defensive tackles Amon Gordon and Antwon Burton fit the new defensive scheme better than they did the one utilized last year.

Garcia Bronco
04-27-2007, 01:16 PM
I really don't want to see them move up any further for Calvin Johnson... stay there and go defense.

We don't have the ammo really to move up anymore and address needs IMO

the Talking Can
04-27-2007, 01:16 PM
What concerns me is them grabbing Amobi Okoye...but I don't think he's Bates kind of DT.

that's the guy I'd want...seriously hope he doesn't fall to them

DMAC
04-27-2007, 01:16 PM
I watched a mock on espn last night that had okoye falling to 25, wtf is that about?

It also had us taking harrell at 23How can a guy who is 4 years younger and more talented than almost every defensive player in the draft fall.

Valiant
04-27-2007, 01:19 PM
That was my impression. They didn't give up enough to move into the top 10.



Its that whole collusion thing with Houston coaches...

And why would Denver say who they are going to draft??? I am sorry, more then likely a smokescreen.. They are making a push for Okoye imo...

J Diddy
04-27-2007, 01:19 PM
How can a guy who is 4 years younger and more talented than almost every defensive player in the draft fall.

That's kinda what I was wondering, thought maybe I missed something.

SNR
04-27-2007, 01:20 PM
If the Broncos take Okoye, I'm going to put an axe through my TV

cdcox
04-27-2007, 01:21 PM
This thread seems to justify officially sanctioned Donks homerism.

The Bad Guy
04-27-2007, 01:21 PM
I'm far more interested in quantity at this point.

If we could get Jarrett at #23 and an OG/OT/DT in round 2, I'd take that over anyone that's going to be there at #10.

Please.

Carl Peterson's 2nd round track record is miserable. I'd gladly give up a 2 to move up 13 spots.

DMAC
04-27-2007, 01:22 PM
If the Broncos take Okoye, I'm going to put an axe through my TVWell then, you might want to watch an old 13" black and white when it happens.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2007, 01:23 PM
Atlanta and Detroit will trade and Lions will take Willis so that point will be moot, but I think the Donks want one of the DE's and Texans want Staley.

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 01:23 PM
Herm's is much better.

SNR
04-27-2007, 01:24 PM
Well then, you might want to watch an old 13" black and white when it happens.Nah, that's okay. I'm watching it at a friend's place :evil:

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:25 PM
The best news... I don't have to watch as much of Round 1 to see the pick and now I don't have to worry about R2.

I just hope they choose wisely.

tk13
04-27-2007, 01:26 PM
Personally, I'm not sure I'd want the Chiefs to do a trade like that either. We're not one player away from a Super Bowl. Unless you really think Willis is going to be the next Ray Lewis.

Valiant
04-27-2007, 01:27 PM
I'm sorry, this just makes no sense... Houston was in position to take Peterson or at least have a shot at him... And then to trade down and only pick up a second??? Then add in the fact some of the stupid trade in Denvers favor this year with the team... There is some shit the NFL office should be looking into...

Every other NFL GM is wanting to know why the RAt has over kubiak...

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:27 PM
It would be pretty interesting seeing Okoye reunited with Elvis on the D line.

Valiant
04-27-2007, 01:28 PM
Atlanta and Detroit will trade and Lions will take Willis so that point will be moot, but I think the Donks want one of the DE's and Texans want Staley.


I am hoping the skins draft Okoye now...

ct
04-27-2007, 01:28 PM
So Houston traded for Matt Shaub by dropping from #8 to #21, from #39 to #56, + a 2008 2nd round pick. Big drop in the 1st and 2nd, but doesn't give up any picks this year, and can still get a quality player in each round for a team that needs help all over, and a franchise QB (allegedly). Nicely done.

Now for the Denver side, once again Shanny sees something he wants, and aggressively pursues him. Let's just hope it backfires.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:30 PM
#10 is worth 1,300

#21 is worth 800
#56 is worth 340

1300 vs 1140 ... we're not exactly talking about highway robbery with this trade.

Chiefnj
04-27-2007, 01:31 PM
I really don't want Denver taking Anderson, Okoye or Willis.

vailpass
04-27-2007, 01:31 PM
It would be pretty interesting seeing Okoye reunited with Elvis on the D line.

If by "interesting" you mean if we got Okoye I'd flop out my junk and touch myself in a most inappropriate manner then yeah, it'd be interesting.

kepp
04-27-2007, 01:32 PM
Houston's coach, after finalizing the trade with Shanny, was heard muttering "these aren't the droids you're looking for...."
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/7/7f/Obiwanmindtrick.JPG

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:33 PM
I really don't want Denver taking Anderson, Okoye or Willis.

One of them will be wearing predominantly orange and blue next season... get ready.

BigRock
04-27-2007, 01:33 PM
Not to cast dispersions on Inside the League, but has any other place confirmed this? This thread was started 40 minutes ago and I don't see this on ESPN or anything.

Chiefnj
04-27-2007, 01:34 PM
#10 is worth 1,300

#21 is worth 800
#56 is worth 340

1300 vs 1140 ... we're not exactly talking about highway robbery with this trade.

The difference is equivalent to a 3rd round or two 4th round picks. It's pretty close to highway robbery.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:34 PM
Not to cast dispersions on Inside the League, but has any other place confirmed this? This thread was started 40 minutes ago and I don't see this on ESPN or anything.


Yeah, that's my concern as well... no confirmation on any of the "named" sites as of yet.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2007, 01:34 PM
I am hoping the skins draft Okoye now...

They will.

Garcia Bronco
04-27-2007, 01:35 PM
Guys..this is really still a rumor

BigRock
04-27-2007, 01:35 PM
There's nothing at the Denver Post either, but someone did say this in one of the comments...

ESPN just reported that Denver will take Houston’s pick this year. In exchange Houston will receive our first and third and next year’s second round pick. ESPN is also reporting that Denver will take Patrick Willis with the tenth overall pick. GO BRONCOS!!!!

If that's true, they gave up an awful lot. But I'd call it into question since I haven't seen anything on ESPN.

Valiant
04-27-2007, 01:35 PM
#10 is worth 1,300

#21 is worth 800
#56 is worth 340

1300 vs 1140 ... we're not exactly talking about highway robbery with this trade.


Their should have been one more pick thrown in this year...

shrek6849
04-27-2007, 01:37 PM
There is no confirmation of this anywhere, and is still just a rumor.

However, something interesting from Shanny's presser, he said the last time they had talked to Detroit was a week after the combine. They had agreed upon a deal that would have had the Broncos acquiring the #2 overall pick, but the Lions FO slept on it and changed their minds.

Valiant
04-27-2007, 01:38 PM
There's nothing at the Denver Post either, but someone did say this in one of the comments...



If that's true, they gave up an awful lot. But I'd call it into question since I haven't seen anything on ESPN.


So now its a 1st and third this year??? and a second next year... Still a joke, ****ing hell Houston is stupid.. Can't figure out why Kubiak still thinks he is working for Denver...

Chiefnj
04-27-2007, 01:38 PM
The Texans are semi-denying the rumor saying there won't be a trade today, but there could be one tomorrow. Like someone said earlier, if the player Denver wants is available it will go down.

The Texans will be idiots for passing up Brown.

Rooster
04-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Jeez...the Texans are the dipshot guy you invite to play in your FFL league, just so you can take his players and tell him he made a smart trade.

ROFL ROFL Okay Texans... you want to pick kickers first because they go fast.

HemiEd
04-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Guys..this is really still a rumor


Has any one checked with Nick Athen?

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 01:39 PM
There's nothing at the Denver Post either, but someone did say this in one of the comments...



If that's true, they gave up an awful lot. But I'd call it into question since I haven't seen anything on ESPN.

I'm interested to hear exactly what is up...

If it's a 1st and 3rd in 2007 and a 2008 R2 ... I'm ok with that since I'm not concerned at this point about 2008 picks.

Garcia Bronco
04-27-2007, 01:41 PM
I'm sorry, this just makes no sense... Houston was in position to take Peterson or at least have a shot at him... And then to trade down and only pick up a second??? Then add in the fact some of the stupid trade in Denvers favor this year with the team... There is some shit the NFL office should be looking into...

Every other NFL GM is wanting to know why the RAt has over kubiak...

LMAO

Garcia Bronco
04-27-2007, 01:42 PM
This has been reported on espn 2 and kffl...but coach just had a presser an hour ago and he didn't mention it.

ct
04-27-2007, 01:54 PM
There's nothing at the Denver Post either, but someone did say this in one of the comments...



If that's true, they gave up an awful lot....

Not really, they'll just trade Mike Bell and the 3rd string water boy next offseason for somebody else's 2nd round pick.

Messier
04-27-2007, 02:07 PM
I would laugh very hard if some team takes Willis before ten.

carlos3652
04-27-2007, 02:09 PM
Is this a rumor or has it been confirmed... I would appreciate it, that when I open a thread, I know wtf is going on...???? Place Rumor if it hasnt been confirmed, and confirmed if it has... how hard is it...???

htismaqe
04-27-2007, 02:13 PM
This trade has been rumored for a whole.

The whole bit about Patrick Willis is laughable.

Tribal Warfare
04-27-2007, 02:15 PM
All I have to say is HOLY F*CK!!!!


One thing I'll credit, the Bronco's know how to work the draft. two back to back trade ups in the top 15.

el borracho
04-27-2007, 02:16 PM
April Fools!

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 02:18 PM
Enh, based on previously rumored and attempted deals... this likely won't happen.

Pitt Gorilla
04-27-2007, 02:27 PM
Related point: If we stink next year, which is entirely possible, it will be interesting to be the people at the front of the line. Heck, we could start swapping every player over 26 for picks and load up. We'd still screw up a lot of the picks, but it would be interesting.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 02:27 PM
John Clayton was just on ESPN and said that nothing would likely happen until tomorrow if Adrian Peterson and another player (Gaines Adams, maybe) weren't there at 10 for HOU.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 02:28 PM
Also - John Clayton spoke about Trent Green and he said talks with MIA aren't progressing, but KC has given up the notion of a 1st day pick in return. So, it would appear that Carl is budging... if true.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2007, 02:29 PM
4th would be about right.

Valiant
04-27-2007, 02:34 PM
Also - John Clayton spoke about Trent Green and he said talks with MIA aren't progressing, but KC has given up the notion of a 1st day pick in return. So, it would appear that Carl is budging... if true.


How would Clayton know??? We will not know anything until the draft plays out... I am happy with a fourth, would be better if Miami was still stupid like Houston and gave up picks for nothing... A fourth would be great, but Carl would not tell any media that... And if they don't offer the fourth or anything better you keep Green all the way till the last preseason game and then cut him,( or give him a chance to start, which wont happen).. That way he is useless for a couple weeks to what ever team picks him up...

Sure-Oz
04-27-2007, 02:35 PM
Willis looks like an al wilson type clone, hes going to be good, hopefully he won't be around

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 02:37 PM
How would Clayton know??? We will not know anything until the draft plays out... I am happy with a fourth, would be better if Miami was still stupid like Houston and gave up picks for nothing... A fourth would be great, but Carl would not tell any media that... And if they don't offer the fourth or anything better you keep Green all the way till the last preseason game and then cut him,( or give him a chance to start, which wont happen).. That way he is useless for a couple weeks to what ever team picks him up...

Don't shoot the messenger... :)

DMAC
04-27-2007, 02:39 PM
4th would be about right.Agreed. I would rather keep him and force a restructure, like he will have in sunny Miami, but whatever.

Valiant
04-27-2007, 02:45 PM
Don't shoot the messenger... :)


No, your cool.. Well somewhat for being a donk fan...

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 02:47 PM
I jumped over to the Texans message board... overall, I can't say they'll be too pleased if this goes down.

Mecca
04-27-2007, 03:02 PM
You have to get in front of Buffalo if you want Willis.......

Cochise
04-27-2007, 03:05 PM
A first, second, and third for one player is giving up a lot.

I like Denver putting those eggs in a single basket though, I guess.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 03:06 PM
As I said earlier... if this happens, I don't think Willis is their target. There are several great defensive options that could be sitting there.

SNR
04-27-2007, 03:11 PM
Denver has a habit of taking guys I like coming out of college and just completely taking a dump on them.

Griffen, Terry Pierce, Kuper, Dumervil, Cutler...

If they take Okoye or Anderson I'm likely to go on a killing rampage against their fans :grr:

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 03:14 PM
A first, third and second is giving up a lot.

I like Denver putting those eggs in a single basket though, I guess.

Not really.

#10 = 1300 pts

#21 = 800 pts
#70 (R3) = 240 pts
2008 R2 is unknown, but let's pick the middle of that round = 420 pts

1300 < 1440

So, Denver would be giving up a potential 140 points if their 2008 R2 pick was the 48th overall.

This year they have the 56th in R2 and it is worth = 340 pts.

I won't lose much sleep at all by giving up an unknown spot in R2 next year. Best case scenario, that R2 pick in 2008 is one of the last 4 picks... worth no more than 292 points.

Then that 3 pick deal becomes 1332 points... only 32 more than the 1300 that the #10 overall represents.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 03:15 PM
Denver has a habit of taking guys I like coming out of college and just completely taking a dump on them.

Griffen, Terry Pierce, Kuper, Dumervil, Cutler...

If they take Okoye or Anderson I'm likely to go on a killing rampage against their fans :grr:

Dumerville and Cutler still have a bit of promise left in them. You're referring to Quentin Griffin, right? What did he become with KC?

Cochise
04-27-2007, 03:26 PM
Not really.

#10 = 1300 pts

#21 = 800 pts
#70 (R3) = 240 pts
2008 R2 is unknown, but let's pick the middle of that round = 420 pts

1300 < 1440
...

I'm just saying, with a first second and third, you get three players who were NFL first day draft picks, instead of just one. The 'just one' guy might be a surer thing, but the proposition as a whole is higher risk.

Second and third round guys turn out to be productive all the time, I think people get too focused on the cowboys' chart and don't see the chance to fill three holes, get 3 roster spots filled with first day draft picks instead of guys you sign off the street, have three guys who can make an injury not that bad or whatever. If you bet 3 picks on one player, it's only one knee injury or one guy with off the field issues or one guy who just doesn't develop for some reason, whatever , that sinks the whole deal.

If you're close to being a SB contender and are in love with a guy who could fill a huge hole and play right away then go get him... I'm just saying. I don't mind another team going with a higher risk move.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 03:30 PM
I'm just saying, with a first second and third, you get three players who were NFL first day draft picks, instead of just one. The 'just one' guy might be a surer thing, but the proposition as a whole is higher risk.

Second and third round guys turn out to be productive all the time, I think people get too focused on the cowboys' chart and don't see the chance to fill three holes, get 3 roster spots filled with first day draft picks instead of guys you sign off the street, have three guys who can make an injury not that bad or whatever. If you bet 3 picks on one player, it's only one knee injury or guy with off the field issues or whatever that sinks the whole deal.

If you're close to being a SB contender and are in love with a guy who could fill a huge hole and play right away then go get him... I'm just saying. I don't mind another team going with a higher risk move.

I get what you're saying...

In 2007, Denver has a pick in R1, R2 and two picks in R3...

So with this trade, they would still have 3 first day picks this year (1 being a top 10).

I'll worry about next year, next year.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 03:31 PM
Denver has no picks in R4 or R5 this year... so trading up to 10 while maintaining 3 first day picks is good if they can pull it off.

If not... they stay at 21 and they have 4 first day picks. There is still solid talent there as well.

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 03:38 PM
Denver has no picks in R4 or R5 this year...

Damn. And none in round 2? Suicide watch on SoCal...

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 03:40 PM
Damn. And none in round 2? Suicide watch on SoCal...They have a R2

2007
1 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round1) 21
2 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round2) 56
3 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round3) 70
3 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round3) 86

6 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round6) 176
6 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round6) 198
7 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round7) 233

Four 1st day picks and if this trade happens (1st and 3rd in 07 and 2nd in 08) they have 3 1st day picks this year, including the 2nd.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2007, 03:46 PM
I've been watching NFLN for the past 2 hours, they've mentioned Denver numerous times, but not about this.....

I call shenanigans.....

Count Zarth
04-27-2007, 03:47 PM
They have a R2

2007
1 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round1) 21
2 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round2) 56
3 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round3) 70
3 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round3) 86

6 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round6) 176
6 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round6) 198
7 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round7) 233

Four 1st day picks and if this trade happens (1st and 3rd in 07 and 2nd in 08) they have 3 1st day picks this year, including the 2nd.

I guess I'm confused. I thought they were offering their 1 and 2 for Houston's 1?

Cochise
04-27-2007, 03:49 PM
I heard Denver signed Brady Quinn too.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2007, 03:49 PM
I guess I'm confused. I thought they were offering their 1 and 2 for Houston's 1?

Supposedly, 1 and 3 this year, and a 2nd next year......

vailpass
04-27-2007, 04:00 PM
I heard Denver signed Brady Quinn too.
LMAO

HolmeZz
04-27-2007, 04:07 PM
I met Willis last year.

Hopefully someone jumps ahead of Denver and takes him. That'd be funny.

Mile High Mania
04-27-2007, 04:10 PM
I guess I'm confused. I thought they were offering their 1 and 2 for Houston's 1?


The original post said that was the deal, then someone else referenced something from an ESPN blog (or something similar) that said it was 3 picks, 1st and 3rd in 07 and 2nd in 08 for Houston's #10.

I dunno... I'd much rather it be the latter. I'd like to keep the R1, R2 and R3 picks this year.