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KC kid
04-29-2007, 09:23 AM
Trade Trent somewhere else for a lower pick, just not to Miami. They can't go to bat with Carl and beat the hell out of him like appears is going to happen.

Fried Meat Ball!
04-29-2007, 09:25 AM
Maybe this could have gone in one of the 74 other Trent/Miami/4th Rounder threads?

chief52
04-29-2007, 09:25 AM
Trent holds the cards because he does not have to renegotiate and no one is going to take him if he won't. He has already agreed with Miami if reports are correct.

blueballs
04-29-2007, 09:26 AM
why is Trent not insulted

Fried Meat Ball!
04-29-2007, 09:28 AM
He's not insulted because he knows this time of year it's just business.

jAZ
04-29-2007, 09:28 AM
I'm thinking Miami *might* trade down in the 4th (or even into the 5th) in order to keep their shot at Trent...

KC kid
04-29-2007, 09:28 AM
I agree. If I am Trent Green, I am, all of a sudden, not so excited to play for a team that will not even give up a 4th round pick for me. I would suspect Miami is just trying to play hard ball at the wrong time. They have already proved how stupid they are with this 07 draft.

blueballs
04-29-2007, 09:32 AM
Dolphins just plain suck
history tell us this
over and over

Mecca
04-29-2007, 09:34 AM
I agree. If I am Trent Green, I am, all of a sudden, not so excited to play for a team that will not even give up a 4th round pick for me. I would suspect Miami is just trying to play hard ball at the wrong time. They have already proved how stupid they are with this 07 draft.

Why would he care...........the better deal the team he's going to gets the better chance they have to be better.....not everyone gauges their value in what they go for.....

I think he wants to be in Miami regardless and really doesn't care.

Tribal Warfare
04-29-2007, 09:36 AM
I'd call the Lions

mdstu
04-29-2007, 09:39 AM
why is Trent not insulted

Plus he knows he would be extremely over paid to start for the Chiefs next year. He is not exactly waving his hands in the air trying to restructure his contract. He holds the cards and has no reason to be insulted.

KC kid
04-29-2007, 09:40 AM
The Dolphins passed on Green for a guy with 12 starts

alanm
04-29-2007, 09:43 AM
The Dolphins passed on Green for a guy with 12 starts
Yep Dolphins already picked.

Mecca
04-29-2007, 09:43 AM
I'd call the Lions

They already have Jon Kitna doing the same thing......and cheaper.

alanm
04-29-2007, 09:45 AM
If I was Carl I'd make sure Green doesn't go to the Dolphins now. Take what they can get from anybody.

Mecca
04-29-2007, 09:47 AM
If I was Carl I'd make sure Green doesn't go to the Dolphins now. Take what they can get from anybody.

Problem is......alot of teams won't wanna pay the 7 mill, and if he's unwilling to renegotiate with them he almost picks where he goes....

Like Moss did by being willing to change for the Pats but not other teams.

Codered
04-29-2007, 09:47 AM
Okay besides Miami and possibly the Vikes who would trade for him? Detroit selected Stanton and has Kitna for a one year stop gap. The Browns took Quinn and have Frye.

It's more than likely take Miami's 6th or 7th or release the guy. Miami played hard ball.

Dr. Facebook Fever
04-29-2007, 09:50 AM
If I was Carl I'd make sure Green doesn't go to the Dolphins now. Take what they can get from anybody.
That would be funny. Get Cleveland on the phone.

Or just keep Trent and let him compete for his job. I for one would like to see him start for us again... if he's OK.

Codered
04-29-2007, 09:51 AM
That would be funny. Get Cleveland on the phone.

True you might as well let the Browns finish the job on the Chiefs this draft. :)

Bwana
04-29-2007, 09:53 AM
If I was Carl I'd make sure Green doesn't go to the Dolphins now. Take what they can get from anybody.

Yep, trade him for a pack of Bud Light as long as the fish don't end up with him.

Skip Towne
04-29-2007, 09:53 AM
Dolphins just plain suck
history tell us this
over and over
History tells me they didn't suck in '72.

Deberg_1990
04-29-2007, 09:54 AM
Dolphins just plain suck
history tell us this
over and over

History tells me we picked Blackledge, they picked Marino.

Chiefnj2
04-29-2007, 09:55 AM
Nobody other than Miami is going to trade for Green because he has a 7.25 million base salary.

chief52
04-29-2007, 09:56 AM
Yep, trade him for a pack of Bud Light as long as the fish don't end up with him.


Trent holds all the cards as has been stated earlier. If I were the Dolphins I would not give anything for him. The Chiefs will release him and then he will go to Miami. The only thing the Dolphins gain by giving up a draft pick now is that they get Green earlier. Trent can pick and choose who he will renegotiate for and it appears Miami is the only one he will consider.

doomy3
04-29-2007, 09:59 AM
This is what Rotoworld said this morning:

Trent Green-QB- Chiefs Apr. 29 - 10:18 am et


The Dolphins reportedly aren't enamored by the Chiefs' lowered asking price for Trent Green of a second-round pick to a fourth-rounder.

Still, the sides want to get a deal done on Sunday, so they should be able to work something out. The 'Fins could offer their sixth-rounder in addition to multiple seventh-rounders because they currently have three.
Source: Miami Herald
Related: Dolphins


Does this mean that the Fins will give up a 6th AND multiple 7ths?

Frazod
04-29-2007, 09:59 AM
If I was Carl I'd make sure Green doesn't go to the Dolphins now. Take what they can get from anybody.

Agreed. F#ck those idiots.

eazyb81
04-29-2007, 10:00 AM
Trent holds all the cards as has been stated earlier. If I were the Dolphins I would not give anything for him. The Chiefs will release him and then he will go to Miami. The only thing the Dolphins gain by giving up a draft pick now is that they get Green earlier. Trent can pick and choose who he will renegotiate for and it appears Miami is the only one he will consider.

There's no reason we HAVE to release him. Sure, it would make sense if we did since we want to move on and let Croyle get some reps, but we won't be over the cap if we hold on to him.

At this point, I am fine with keeping Green this year and letting him ride the pine. This has been a ridiculous ordeal with him thinking he can orchestrate where he wants to go.

Chiefnj2
04-29-2007, 10:01 AM
There's no reason we HAVE to release him. Sure, it would make sense if we did since we want to move on and let Croyle get some reps, but we won't be over the cap if we hold on to him.

At this point, I am fine with keeping Green this year and letting him ride the pine. This has been a ridiculous ordeal with him thinking he can orchestrate where he wants to go.

Team chemistry is going to be a bitch when Green outplays everyone at QB but then gets bumped for Brodie because Herm wants to make a youth movement.

chiefsfan1963
04-29-2007, 10:01 AM
Did CP go on record that he would take a 4th rounder for Trent? We have no idea if it was even being considered. As far as I can tell we wanted a 2nd rounder or we were going to keep him.

As I said in another Thread we will need next year's draft and another round of free agency to fill our needs. If we're lucky we'll have Top 10 or 15. AND we'll have pick in every round!

milkman
04-29-2007, 10:02 AM
Trent holds all the cards as has been stated earlier. If I were the Dolphins I would not give anything for him. The Chiefs will release him and then he will go to Miami. The only thing the Dolphins gain by giving up a draft pick now is that they get Green earlier. Trent can pick and choose who he will renegotiate for and it appears Miami is the only one he will consider.

The Dolphins didn't cough up a 4th for Green (a decision that I commend them for).

Carl will not release him and let the Dolphins get him for free.

blackhawk
04-29-2007, 10:02 AM
send trent to cleveland for next years 6th round pick!

Mecca
04-29-2007, 10:03 AM
I think Miami did the right thing......I wouldn't have given up the 4 either.

blueballs
04-29-2007, 10:04 AM
Edwards is not going to worry about
having too many QBs after NY in '05

eazyb81
04-29-2007, 10:05 AM
Team chemistry is going to be a bitch when Green outplays everyone at QB but then gets bumped for Brodie because Herm wants to make a youth movement.

Why? Anyone with a brain can see this team is rebuilding, why waste time with a near 40 year old at QB when we have a young kid that is ready to take over.

chief52
04-29-2007, 10:08 AM
There's no reason we HAVE to release him. Sure, it would make sense if we did since we want to move on and let Croyle get some reps, but we won't be over the cap if we hold on to him.

At this point, I am fine with keeping Green this year and letting him ride the pine. This has been a ridiculous ordeal with him thinking he can orchestrate where he wants to go.


Paying Green his contract and letting him ride the pine with no plan of using him would be one of the dumbest moves in Chief history.

They will release him if that can not get anything for him. That is the nature of contracts in the NFL. He has very little value as everyone knows how much his contract is and that that Chiefs do not plan on using him.

Why would Miami give KC a fourth?

chief52
04-29-2007, 10:10 AM
Why? Anyone with a brain can see this team is rebuilding, why waste time with a near 40 year old at QB when we have a young kid that is ready to take over.

That is exactly why you do not keep Green. In one post you want to keep Green and in the next you state why he will be gone.

Direckshun
04-29-2007, 10:11 AM
Just take the 6th and walk away.

eazyb81
04-29-2007, 10:13 AM
Paying Green his contract and letting him ride the pine with no plan of using him would be one of the dumbest moves in Chief history.

So it's better to get raped on the compensation? We have an asset that we would like to sell, but we haven't received a fair offer. That doesn't mean you just give it away - you hold on to it until you receive a deal you can live with.

They will release him if that can not get anything for him. That is the nature of contracts in the NFL. He has very little value as everyone knows how much his contract is and that that Chiefs do not plan on using him.

He has value in that he can help tutor Croyle. He has more value to a team that will let him start, but he needs to be willing to restructure his deal to make that happen.

Why would Miami give KC a fourth?

Because they will be getting a starting QB, and they have shown in the past that they are willing to give much more than a 4th for a potential starting QB (Feeley, Culpepper).

doomy3
04-29-2007, 10:15 AM
Would you guys rather take a 6th and maybe a 7th this year or take a 5th in next years draft?

wazu
04-29-2007, 10:19 AM
Would you guys rather take a 6th and maybe a 7th this year or take a 5th in next years draft?

6th and 7th this year. I'd like to see as many young prospects injected into this team as possible. It's rebuilding time.

Direckshun
04-29-2007, 10:20 AM
Trent will be worth even less next year.

Beck will have a year's experience and Trent will be a year older.

Just take the 6th and run.

wazu
04-29-2007, 10:21 AM
So it's better to get raped on the compensation? We have an asset that we would like to sell, but we haven't received a fair offer. That doesn't mean you just give it away - you hold on to it until you receive a deal you can live with.

How can we "live with" keeping him and paying him? The Chiefs should literally consider releasing him if he isn't going to start. To me that says just get something for him. I was hoping for a 4th, but a 5th sounds reasonable.

doomy3
04-29-2007, 10:22 AM
How can we "live with" keeping him and paying him? The Chiefs should literally consider releasing him if he isn't going to start. To me that says just get something for him. I was hoping for a 4th, but a 5th sounds reasonable.


The fins don't have a 5th this year. That's why I mentioned maybe taking their 5th next year.

doomy3
04-29-2007, 10:23 AM
I'd like to see us take a 6th and Booker if that is a possibility

rad
04-29-2007, 10:23 AM
Why? Anyone with a brain can see this team is rebuilding, why waste time with a near 40 year old at QB when we have a young kid that is ready to take over.

Croyle is NOT ready.

He could start, but there would be serious growing pains.

Rausch
04-29-2007, 10:23 AM
6th and 7th this year. I'd like to see as many young prospects injected into this team as possible. It's rebuilding time.

Ditto. You tried to hold out for some fair value and it didn't happen. Don't screw yourself out of getting any compensation at all...

Brock
04-29-2007, 10:24 AM
The chiefs can keep him on the roster until the final cut down day. If Miami wants him, they need to put up reasonable compensation. If they don't want to do that, they can wait until late August to have him.

eazyb81
04-29-2007, 10:24 AM
How can we "live with" keeping him and paying him? The Chiefs should literally consider releasing him if he isn't going to start. To me that says just get something for him. I was hoping for a 4th, but a 5th sounds reasonable.

I would be fine with a 5th too - but what if Miami only offers a 7th? Do we just take their best offer, even if it is embarrassingly low, or do we hold on to him this season?

If they know we will cut him before the season, what is the incentive for giving up any picks for him?

rad
04-29-2007, 10:25 AM
I think a 6th and 7th this year, and a conditional (starts more than 6 games) 3rd next year is fair.

Brock
04-29-2007, 10:26 AM
If they know we will cut him before the season, what is the incentive for giving up any picks for him?

I would think they'd like to have him attend training camp.

eazyb81
04-29-2007, 10:26 AM
Croyle is NOT ready.

He could start, but there would be serious growing pains.

He'll never be ready unless he starts getting playing time. Might as well throw him in at some point this year, as we probably won't be a playoff contender.

Extra Point
04-29-2007, 10:27 AM
The smokescreen out of Miami worked for the 'phins. We came out of the first three rounds rolling the bones. I hope our squad can keep their noses clean off the field. Not addressing the CB position may come back to haunt us.

rad
04-29-2007, 10:29 AM
He'll never be ready unless he starts getting playing time. Might as well throw him in at some point this year, as we probably won't be a playoff contender.


So long as he's gained some weight this offseason, I would agree with you.

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 10:45 AM
So long as he's gained some weight this offseason, I would agree with you.

Saw him up close before the SD game last year...same size as Trent.

rad
04-29-2007, 10:47 AM
Saw him up close before the SD game last year...same size as Trent.

He needs to be bigger than Trent.

Chiefnj2
04-29-2007, 10:53 AM
Why? Anyone with a brain can see this team is rebuilding, why waste time with a near 40 year old at QB when we have a young kid that is ready to take over.

Trent is the team leader. The team doesn't have many leaders, which is part of the problem. The coaches can't treat the team leader like crap and expect respect from the rest of the players.

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 11:17 AM
He needs to be bigger than Trent.

That might be the dumbest thing I've read here in the past 36 hours. And that's saying alot.

htismaqe
04-29-2007, 11:18 AM
Trent is the team leader. The team doesn't have many leaders, which is part of the problem. The coaches can't treat the team leader like crap and expect respect from the rest of the players.

Team leader? He was more of the mouthpiece for Vermeil/Saunders than anything else. And most of the guys he played with are gone...

rad
04-29-2007, 11:27 AM
That might be the dumbest thing I've read here in the past 36 hours. And that's saying alot.

Don't give me too much credit. He seems to have been pretty injury prone in college. A little bulk with what our offensive line is now couldn't hurt.